#114 My lovely guest this week is Judy Millington, a recent Live In Flow Retreat attendee.

Her journey is incredible, and I reached out to her and asked if she would come on the show to share. Enjoy!

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Guy:                      Hi, my name is Guy Lawrence. And thanks for tuning into my podcast today. If you’re enjoying these conversations and you want to check out more of this transformational work, be sure to come back to guylawrence.com.au and join me as we go further down the rabbit hole. Enjoy the show.

Guy:                      Judy, welcome to the podcast.

Judy:                    Thank you Guy. Thanks for having me on.

Guy:                      It’s a, it’s a pleasure. I’m genuinely very excited to have you on, haven’t gotten to know you over the last couple of years as well. And let’s kick off the podcast. Like I always ask everyone, if a stranger stops you in the street and asks you what you did for a living, what would you say?

Judy:                    Um, well by day I’m in information technology and by night I run groups, uh, PT sessions on time in my team

Guy:                      in your gym, which you’re sitting in. And I was blown away cause if anyone’s on video right now and sees behind you, I was like, Oh my God, you got all the toys there? Yeah, I’m very envious. That’s awesome. Um, well is it, look, I’ve been thinking about which way to direct this podcast for the listeners as well. And I know especially some of the guys that have been to the retreat and everything will know you and coming back in, but there’ll be many other people tuning in for this for the first time. And you know, I’m fine. I’m always fascinated cause I remember you, I held a letter didn’t workshop in fifth element. Wellness of course was good friends of David O’Brient as well or hosted me and you’d been working with and he’s a beautiful soul and you know, I’m always forever grateful for David cause he got behind me from the start and it was the very first place that I run my workshops in fifth element. And I know you, you came in early in one of the first ones and you know, and you’ve been dipping your toe, you’ve been kind of embracing the work off and on ever since, all the way up to coming to the retreat recently. So I’m curious what led you to look at this work in the first place? Let’s start there.

Judy:                    Um, so before I saw Dave, I had been going to another gym, um, saw a PT because I was going to participate in my first body camp. Um, I would know it’s something I would never have done. Um, but during that period, from the day that I started to the day I left, I got very sick, um, progressively week on week. Um, and when I left, uh, cause I made the decision, well my body wasn’t transforming, um, where it should it. So I went, I stuck it out for 20 weeks. Um, and then after that, not too soon after that, I literally broke. Um, and you can call it a breakdown or you or not. Um,

Guy:                      Was it about the body breaking itself kind of from pushing it so hard?

Judy:                    You know, what’s so funny? I consciously, and that’s important to understand. I consciously broke myself. I knew where this was going to go. So before I started at that gym, I did bad another 20 week exercise. Prior to that where I was working really hard in my own gym here, um, to try and get some results before I decided I’d go into a body camp. And, um, I was so strict with my food. I did not allow myself any pleasure, chocolate and the things I love the most. Um, my O great tea, I cut, I cut everything out and it’s so weird reflecting on that because like I said, I, it was like I was punishing myself and by punishing, which looked like I was punishing my body, but it wasn’t punishing my body. I think what I needed was, cause I was working in a very stressful job.

Judy:                    Um, there’s a lot going on at home. Um, financially, you know, we’ve got under some pressure. And I think I got to the point of overwhelm that the only way I could put my hand up and surrender asking for help was to get to the lowest of lows. Um, because when you, when you’re at the lowest of lows and you can’t go anywhere else, I was at the point where, um, I really didn’t want to work because the fatigue was, um, Messy and my mental lack of mental clarity, which I’m actually still facing now. And probably in the last week, my brain is starting to come online and that’s, and that’s not quite 18-20 months later. Right. Um, so, you know, with synchronicity in mind, um, the reason then I say why I went to that gym, um, also cost me a lot of money, not to get a transformation, was that there was a person there who had seen day and he put me on today.

Judy:                    And then by seeing Dave and the protocol there, and then I saw that you had a workshop and then I thought, Oh, I’ve got no idea what this is about. Um, but when they come, exactly. All right, I’ll come and check it out. And from there, I think it was almost the very next day I signed up to the letter D Academy. Um, yeah. So, so in 2018, 2019 I pushed my body so hard to the point that I, I broke. Um, and, and what was so difficult during that period was that, um, I couldn’t give up work. I didn’t think that out when I was pushing myself. Um, so I was basically a walking zombie at work and I, I worked, um, crazy hours extra. I felt in order for me to be efficient in my work instead of working in eight hour day, which actually by the way, I’ve never worked an eight hour day, but, um, I had to put in 10 hours, 12 hours to get the same, um, workload out of me because I just couldn’t think straight. And, and I didn’t tell anyone, you know, for fear of what they would think or weather, weather cause I’m a contractor so I don’t get paid on this. I work, um, you know, for the day,

Guy:                      huge pressure as well. Yeah.

Judy:                    But, but, but that was the greatest gift, um, for, for me to get to that point because you know when, when you’re down there anyways up [inaudible]

Guy:                      totally. And it’s fascinating. Like I’ve, I’ve been around enough humans now with this work to see that we all have that, those aspects within us. Like we all have these parts of us that we don’t know how to process or work through and, and a lot of it is coming from the unconscious. So, and as it’s coming from the unconscious lamb shanks for tonight, actually, uh, I just coming from the, um, young conscious mind, we just assume that it’s part of us and that’s part of our makeup. And then from the, um, all things can kind of manifest from that. And it depends how far we let them go before the pain gets so great. Right. Um, I got a question for a few before we go back. Do people ask you at all about the work, the retreat meditation side of things at all in your circles? And if so, what do you say what it is you’ve been doing?

Judy:                    Um, I think I’ve probably kept a lot of it private. Yeah. Um, but the few people say that the work of the people I’m working with now, I’ve just started a new job. Literally I think it was day two after the retreat. Um, and because I’ve been off, I’ve been off work for about three months, which is something I’d never done before. But, um, I’m surrounded. It’s so weird, you know, like I said, the synchronicity that, um, and the people that come in your life for a reason. So the people I’m working working for a management consulting company and the before Judy, before the tree rich retreat, Judy would not have put my hand up for that sort of a role. Um, I just had someone that I’d worked with before just give me a call that a job was going there and because the expectation for me was, Oh, gee, you really got to get your shit together when you’re working for a company like that.

Judy:                    Um, because the onus is the view you’re accountable, um, you so sort of role where you just hit the ground running no matter where it takes you and, and you’re self sufficient. And over the last couple of years, that hasn’t been where I’ve sat, um, because I haven’t been well and of, you know, full state of mind that I was before. I thought, Oh, but I just went through the process. There were three interviews and I went through them all and then, um, to start there and the people, uh, they, my people, but, and, and I was just having the conversation with, um, the, the person I report to, she is the most amazing, caring person. And the funny thing is I have always struggled to work for women. I’m not quite sure what it is, but she’s the first person that I’ve reported to as a, as a woman, um, that she is that nurturing, caring, supportive type person.

Judy:                    And we’ve got a wonderful dialogue. Um, and yeah, it, and she even said today, you know, our communication, the way we communicate with each other, um, is fantastic. She doesn’t need to worry about anything I’m doing. She doesn’t need to second guess. I need to know I’m doing. So all of that worry, you know, in the past that I’ve avoided working for women, um, it’s just dissipated. And, um, and so we’ve had wonderful chats about the retreat and, and, and she’s going through very similar. It’s very similar aspects of her story that are mine and mine of hers. Um, so, you know, so it really, I could picked me up from that state of awareness that you get what you get and there’s a, there’s a, you know, there’s a reason for it. You don’t quite necessarily understand it, but it’s just all part of the life journey.

Guy:                      Yeah, absolutely. And I’ve found, you know, especially for myself, that’s in this environment a lot, the more we shift, the more we surrender into that shift, the more the things shift around us. But it opens up in beautiful ways, just like you said, and you just see things through a different lens and where there might’ve been obstacles cause you’ve been thinking a certain way based upon our past experiences into that moment where like, Oh my God, and then you open up and then these things started flowing and it gives us, I don’t know if for me it’s, it gives me such a sense of wholeness and wellbeing in those moments and as opposed to constantly striving to get somewhere or something to relieve the way I’m feeling now. And that’s a huge subtle but huge shift along the way.

Judy:                    Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Guy:                      With, with the, the things that are going on, we’ll get to maybe touch on some things at the retreat, but what, what I’m looking now with what you’ve kind of been through and some of the, cause you, let’s be honest, you do the work right? You know, none of this falls on anyone’s laps. It’s not, there’s no more. Okay.

Judy:                    But having said that, I have struggled to get beyond wake one of the lead in Academy. And that’s because from, I think it’s from week two, it’s all you’re looking at what, what do you want, what do you want out of life? And I’m really struggled with that because there isn’t anything that has come to me previously. And I think that’s because I had so much I needed to deal with myself first before I can even contemplate of where I’m going to next or what I want. So it was at the retreat or after the retreat that that’s starting to bubble up to the surface

Guy:                      100% and for just to, just for the listeners to paint a picture as well, for me when I designed the four week program is literally to bring people into this world to bring awareness to what’s possible and start to look at those things. You know, if we could sell, solve our life’s problems and things in four weeks, Jesus, I mean, I’d be in a mansion somewhere, you know, but you know, so, so, so in that, it’s brilliant, you know? And, but when I say doing the work, you’ve, you’ve been doing the meditations, you’ve been, you’ve got, you’ve got a self-inquiry and it’s from that self inquiry, the answers are coming from yourself. So we hold the space and provide the tools that you have to go and apply. It’s just like you holding that gym space for everyone else, right? You can get them in the room, you can show them how it’s done, you can motivate them, but they still have to do the blood, sweat and tears on the 10 pushups at the end of it to get their own result, you know? And yeah, absolutely. So with the wisdom of the shifts that you’ve been feeling and you’re transforming, if you look back upon your life now, what lessons have you learned, I guess from things along the way too, to gain the wisdom? Like you said, like you, I’ve even heard you say that, that that’s been a blessing for me now.

Judy:                    Um, I’ve learned that my body is my compass. So from a young age of 10, almost 40 years ago, um, through to now, my body has given me clear signs of a, the unwellness of body or spirit or, or mind or emotion. Um, and I always, so I’ve been, when I say seek of being, I’ve had stomach issues, digestive issues, painting, got penny, the solar plexes, um, fatigue, pining the joints, panning the muscles, um, for most of my life on and off. And, and so I don’t know what normal feels like. It might be for an hour, it might be for a day, might be two days. Um, and then it’s not, which, but what’s ironic about that, that is the only thing I get. I’ve never had mumps or measles or chicken pox, um, or the, the flu or the cold or, um, or any, any of that.

Judy:                    Uh, the only thing I’ve had is this feeling in the pit of my stomach where I feel nauseous or I feel sick that you know, that I could be sick. Um, and that originated from the age, I’m not quite sure exactly. It’s somewhere between the age of 10 and 12. When we believed on 150 acres on a farm, that was the most Listful experience from an environment perspective. Um, uh, it, it is, and we actually had to look, uh, Jason, I had looked at a property on the weekend and, and the gentleman um, said to me, he, he’s nearing it and he was just hearing me speak and he goes, um, ah, your coming home. I go, how, you know, how insightful. Absolutely. I, I want to go back to not where from where I came, but from that environment of, of had been immersed in nature, um, to live simply, uh, to the clutter.

Judy:                    You know, I sort of think if you declutter your environment, um, you sort of declare that, well for me it’s decluttering your mind. Yeah. It’s the best place to start if you can’t figure out the mind the of the house. Yeah. So for me, growing up, being the eldest of five, I was very responsible eldest child. Um, I never rock the boat with my parents, never questioned things. Um, I was, you know, I abided by all the rules. Um, and so my next sister damn, where she couldn’t compete with that, so she was a bit of a terror child blazer. Um, and I was the Apple of my dad’s. I was, um, so my, my dad’s, uh, well not now, but was a Hunter, you know, he’d go and hunt, um, on properties nearby, uh, all around, um, clearing them of whether it was any vermin, whether it was rabbits or, um, foxes and things like that.

Judy:                    Um, so I didn’t make a great living. Um, he had dabbled here and there trying to hold down a normal job, but that didn’t go so well. Um, so yeah, I was the Apple of my dad’s eye and, and he did something, um, between that age of 10 and 12 that rocked my world off off its axis. Um, so he had an affair and, and um, there was a, you know, a child out of that. And I think what that in itself wasn’t, you know, so inexcusable for me. It was, we’re hitting into town one day and hour in the car. And I just had this feeling and I just said, it’s not over, is it? Um, cause he said it was all over and I go, it’s not over reason. And he just looked at me, he goes, no, and for him to lie to me.

Judy:                    Um, yeah. And, and not soon after that, I, um, the one and only time I’ve ever got sick, um, uh, I had pleurisy, um, for a couple of weeks and I got quite ill and, and with pleurisy, that’s around the, the, the lungs and you know, I guess it was like, you know, I couldn’t breathe. Um, yeah. And then after that, that’s when all the stomach issues started. And, um, uh, I went and saw lots of doctors and physicians and specialists and stuff. Then no one had an answer. Oh, there were lots of labels, but no one had an answer. And all through my last year, I twenties through my thirties, through my forties. Um, you know, I’ve just been searching and, and what I really pride myself on and I’m so proud of myself is that, um, I just didn’t accept what I was being told. I was always, and I, I, I knew that I had to fix me.

Judy:                    So I was really looking for people to give me information to determine whether it sat right with me. Um, and, and you know, that I could heal myself. And the, the strange thing is they even saying, Dave and I went onto the first protocol, um, and um, and that didn’t work. You know, I’m not healed. I wasn’t here though. That wasn’t healed. And I just said to him afterwards, I go, but at won’t day. And he goes, well, why not? And I go, because it’s a symptom. They’re all symptoms. They’re not the issue. The issue is inside of me, how I think and how I’m still living in that. You know, that little girl in the past and how I’m frozen, I’m basically frozen in time and I don’t know how to get out of that state. Yeah. Yeah. And so the same I’m on, you know, I’m on another protocol and it’s not working how it should because it wind, I’m telling because I’ve told myself it won’t work because I haven’t uncovered the crux of it. Do you? Not like it’s, it’s, and I had some massive shifts at the retreat, but there’s still layers.

Guy:                      I delay is never end. They never end like you get used to it. And I say that with love because it’s the same for all of us. You know, even myself, Matt, Petra that are facilitating, there’s always more, there’s always more learnings. There’s always more wisdom to gain. There’s always more, um, expansion of awareness or consciousness constantly. But if it wasn’t for the, the way I look at it now, if it wasn’t for the discomfort, it wouldn’t drive us to truly look at the things that we need to look at.

Judy:                    Absolutely. And for me, that is, it is, I see so diff, you know, from a different perspective of different lens. All of these, um, you know, discomforts and, and, and, um, pains and stuff that I’ve had is my, I’m so thankful I’ve got that because if I didn’t have it, who knows what labeled disease I would have. Um, but I just feel that someone’s looking out for me, um, because of the fact that I’m searching and trialing things. It’s like, okay, we’ll give her a bit longer. Um, you know, before anything decides to take hold, because I know I’m at a, you know, I’m, I’m sort of at the the cliff face. Um, if people felt, I would imagine if a number of people felt like I feel day on day, um, and you know, I’ve had all these blood tests and immunosuppressed and I’ve got HVAD dysfunction and all these other labels of things, you know, um, intestinal permeability, dysbiosis, lots of different stuff.

Judy:                    Right? And so people were saying, Oh yeah, you will, you just do the protocol and you’ll fix it. And it’s like you sort of got an under bond, the underlies in underlying cause, you know, to it all. So I, and it was the thing that came first to me at the retreat that I changed. So on the first, was it the first night? Yeah, that was the first night when we didn’t exercise and, um, about what we should embody. And my very first instinct was the words to be held. And, and when I saw someone else go up and, and he said, Oh no, you know, it’s all about me, like me that he, man, I thought, Oh no, that’s right. That, that makes better sense to me. All right, I’ll change it. But it wasn’t my first instinct was bang on, um, and, and buy you guys, the three of you holding space for us, um, and now coming home. And so thankful that Jason decided to come with me because he, he, we can ha, he’s much more insightful. He can see where I’m just a little bit off and I’m, maybe I’m not telling him, but he can, you know, he’s, he, um, can see it and, and ask him pro you K, you know, what’s going on there, um, which you would never have seen before

Guy:                      for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. It’s, yeah, it’s an interesting thing. I remember many years ago when I was learning, I was being coached with this work to be able to culture as well. And he said, guy, it’s a very difficult thing sometimes to see that quite often. A lot of us, a lot of our acting out as an adult are coming from stories of a child. We just don’t see it. We don’t know it. And that’s the body and I, but I truly believe now the body has eternal wisdom. But we’ve got a head that gets in the way, the conscious mind that you know all the things that’s actually restricting the wisdom of the body to do its thing. And what I love about the retreat and these processes is allowing us to get out of our way to really let that body begin to show you and allow that wisdom to occur.

Guy:                    You know? And from that we get the insights and the lessons and the aha moments and the Holy fucking shit kind of thing. And, and from that place we can then occur change. Cause then we can see something from a different level of mind, the mind that created it. And then if we can see that that’s where true empowerment lives, lies, I believe, cause then we can make conscious choices from a different place coming from a different place. And the generally come more from love. And fear over time. And we learned to start to live more from that place. And that’s where we start to want for less and embrace the day and appreciate the gifts that we have. Right. It’s amazing. It’s beautiful. And you know, to see some of the trends, you know, obviously I never share too much about the retreat and the podcast, we always say it’s in the unknown and we like people to step in. But my mum did it so she was all right. She’s 75. She survived. Bless her. You um, but um, you know, if you could encapsulate, I guess what you left coming from the retreat, cause obviously you had some shifts in there that was wonderful to see and now coming back and integrating it, what have been, how would you summarize that and maybe the lessons you took from that?

Judy:                    Um, I think the greatest for me is to be able to be present. So I’ve either been, most of my life when I reflect back, I’ve either been really living the past or running to the future and not really live day by day. Um, so my, our kids for example, I, I look back now and I look at the time that I’ve actually been prison, um, with the upbringing and I haven’t so much. I mean it’s just, you know, 19 years have gone by with my daughter and I sort of think of when I was, when she was younger, what we used to do and then, and, um, being explorers and going for drives and, and um, you know, just, yeah, experiencing different things. And the last 10, 15 years I’ve just been in a state where I’m not quite being a hermit, but, um, more at home, haven’t really reached out to family and friends and dumb things.

Judy:                    And as a byproduct, I haven’t really been present, um, within the family. So I’ve basically just been working, come home, go to sleep, like up, work, come home, go to sleep, just had not been present. And I’ve, I’ve held, um, you know, quite a bit of guilt around that and, and I’m really thankful for the retreat that coming back, I’m just more present. And, and what’s really special about that as well is that even with the kids, even if you haven’t really been there for, well, I obtained 20, 30, 50, whatever years, um, they don’t necessarily just, you know, cut you off. Like there’s, there’s the possibility for me to get it back. It might be lighter in life than what you would’ve liked, but already there’s flow, there’s engagement, there’s communication, um, backing our family environment, you know, and it hasn’t been there for a long, long time. Um, and, and I went out to lunch with my daughter the other day and I just told her a little bit about the retreat and certainly the last day when I had a massive out of, I don’t know, I can’t explain it, just out of body experience where I had the most gastro

Judy:                    release. And, um, and what came to me at the end of that was my daughter. And, um, and I’m so thankful for that because of the guilt I had inside. So when I had her, um, when she was born and, and next to me in the crib and it would be in my, um, um, in the bed and all that sort of stuff and swaddling her and I just didn’t have the connection with her. I didn’t know. I know now because it was different with my son, but I had undiagnosed postnatal depression and no one picked it up and may, uh, may being the, you know, responsible one that I’ve got all my shit together and I didn’t reach, I didn’t say anything that, Oh, something’s not really, it’s a bit off here. I’m not feeling like I, you know, have this connection with her or that I really want to hold her or bath or freaked out when I had to bother the first time.

Judy:                    Um, and so at the retreat, that release was sort of releasing, maybe not all, but a good part of that guilt I had. And so when I went out to lunch with her the other day, hadn’t said anything to her until, uh, we were having a really lovely conversation, uh, 19 and, and I told her about that and, and I just said to her, I’m so sorry. You know that I IFTTT up your life. And she just looked at me and she goes, what? No, you didn’t. And so that’s the thing, right? If, how silly of parents not to ha, you know, when you think these little have these little stories in your head and stuff and you don’t validate it, you’ve already bought yourself, validated in your mind, but you haven’t really validated with the person. And so what I held onto guilt for 19 years for nothing but is senseless, but anyone, again, we’ve all, we’re all guilty of doing these things.

Judy:                    Yeah. It’s just communication is so important. You know, Jason and I have struggled with that the last couple of years and now, I mean, God, we’ve communicated more in the last two weeks and what we probably have the last 10 weeks about real meaningful stuff that makes a difference to our lives. We, we just, we just make up all of this, um, stuff and, and um, and that becomes our narrative. And really, I catch myself now, um, that I listen to the words that I speak. Um, and there’s so often now I catch myself and I changed the words. It goes, Oh, hang on. No, that’s what I’ve always said. But that’s not true now. But

Guy:                      you know what I mean? You’re right in the program. That’s, that’s the good, that’s the game right there. Like, it’s being consciously aware, like you said, when you’ve come from the retreat, you’re more present. You’re more conscious. You don’t buy into the narrative that we’ve conditioned the body because of our past experiences. Because you’ve had some releases and experiences, you’re now able to interrupt those patterns before a seed becomes, you know, this whose tree, you know,

Judy:                    and there’s no catchall. I mean going, you know, going to the retreat or garden is, is, is the start and, and just the, I call it the three A’s. I’ve been pondering this, you know, for, so awareness is absolutely key. Just to be aware of, Hey, thinking or, and your body’s, you know, giving you signs and stuff. Um, and then at the end of the day, you need to have acceptance. You need to go, you know, it’s just, it’s okay, you can’t rewrite, you can’t rewrite the past. But from this day forward, you just accept without, um, taking IB alive where things are and, and, and, um, you know, if I don’t want to do gym today and, and, and I’m a work out or, or, um, eat, you know, really clean because stuff is coming up or whatever. Yes. So what, I mean, there’s gotta be some joy in your life, doesn’t there? And then the other, the other point is, um, at the end of the day, you’ve got to take action. So, you know, I’m, I’m certainly, I’m one of these people the last couple of years with these searching, searching, I’ve bought, I’ve spent so much money, I’ve bought, um, other programs, online programs, I’ve bought books and all this sort of stuff that I haven’t got into that I haven’t, you know, taken action from. And it’s just, well, it’s just information then, isn’t it? Um, if, if you don’t,

Guy:                      I’ve always said I know a lot of great philosophers. Like I certainly don’t know everything. I don’t know anyone that does. And sometimes I fill, I find myself calling for information, especially when there’s a feeling inside of uncertainty. And it almost then is my, my unconscious trying to cling onto something safe and I start to recognize that and we can deny ourselves from taking action by giving us one more book, given us by one more program, you know, where I mean, where one thing when we created the retreat is like, we really want this to be about the action and taking the action, you know, and obviously creating the awareness, creating the acceptance, but also taking the action to them to support each other. Um, last question for you. With this information that you’ve, this wisdom that you’d been learning and I’m layering and now like where you’re pivoting in life, what would you like to see for yourself? Like what do you think our platforms is going to give you for the next 50 years of your life? Like when you look back upon it all,

Judy:                    um, do you know, I actually, I don’t have the answer right now because things are still, I’m finding day by day things are unraveling. And what I’m just doing at the moment is I’m not having any preconceived ideas of what it is I think I should be called to do or where I think,

Guy:                      yeah, not so much being called what to do or thing, but what do you hope? And from a, from a feeling perspective that we’re still got life and life is ahead. I’ll give you my example for me. Yeah,

Judy:                    no, no. Well, for me it’s actually just to live. I haven’t, I’m 50 this year and I haven’t lived, I haven’t, I haven’t allowed myself joy. Um, and just the simple things. And, and that’s where it was so funny, you know, that last day when we picked up a card off the floor and, and what, you know, something that would resonate with us. And, and for me, it was exactly what I would needed. And it was that, you know, I do what brings me joy. Um, and so after that we’ve, Jason, I, we’ve been chasing waterfalls and, and getting back into nature and, um, and, and for me, and just the simple thing is for me to have sun on my skin is, uh, so rejuvenating, just as simple as it costs nothing. Um, and to read a, a fictional book or something, you know, it, it doesn’t have to be massive. It doesn’t have to cost money. It’s just what can I find in my day that, you know, that I’m grateful for. And for me, it’s not actually writing a gratitude journal, it’s just in the moment, you know, w w you know, how do I feel? And I’m trying to, um, help my kids with that as well. Um, yeah. So I, I just want to be present and just, um, not expect that that joy comes from external rewards either. It’s from within, just the simplicity. So simplicity and kindness is really what I’m doing.

Guy:                      Beautiful. Joy is all around us if we choose to look for it.

Judy:                    Absolutely.

Guy:                      You went on the retreat with the swimming pool where we all jumped in Holy clothes in the rain. It’s a moment that will live with me forever. You know, it brought out our inner child. It was, you know, I hadn’t rained in alarm. The fires would come out at that process and it was the, one of the simplest things we could do. And I’ve never seen so much laughter and happiness in one moment, you know, um, with, with everything we’ve covered today and for people, you know, from all walks of life, we’d be listening to this. Um, what would you like them to leave for? Uh, to ponder on

Judy:                    that no matter what’s happened in your life or where you are right now, um, there’s always a chance to get back on track and you have all within you already to make that happen. You don’t, yeah. It’s just, um, it’s just trusting and it’s, it’s listening to you, to the signs everywhere. It’s crazy where I see them now. Um, um, the, you know, the, the world, the universe, whatever you want to call it, the spirit, um, is guiding you and you’ve just got to become more aware to, to hear it, to feel it.

Guy:                      Awareness. Judy, thank you so much for coming on and sharing today. I, um, I really felt like I wanted to reach out and ask you to come on and you openly said yes and, um, and I promise you what you shared today was incredible and so many people would be inspired by your own story. And, uh, I have no doubt it will help others and my journey too. So thank you kindly.

Judy:                    Thank you very much.

Guy:                      Thank you, Judy.

Judy:                    It’s been wonderful. Thank you.

Guy:                      Thank you.