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Angie:
Because if there’s soul loss, then you’re going to find challenges in their everyday life because it’s kind of like, I call it like Groundhog’s Day, where if you had some traumatic event and you’re still part there, part of you is reliving that event over and over and over again. And so we have to go over and it’s kind of like tapping that person on the shoulder and saying, Hey, you’re done here. You don’t have to be here anymore. You don’t have to be getting hit anymore. You don’t have to be punished anymore, whatever’s happening and bring them back into the now.

Guy:
Angie, welcome to the podcast.

Angie:
Thank you.

Guy:
I’m absolutely fascinated by your journey and the work that you do these days, and even going through my own research and looking at you. Something that popped out this morning for me was that you came first place as a winner MuscleTech Transformation Contest out of 30,000 people back in, I think, the year 2000 or 2001? 2000, that’s correct. Yeah, that blew me away. And I’m interested to know with your journey, because clearly you’ve taken care of your body and you’re very passionate about the body itself and the work you’ve been doing. But have you always had a spiritual background as well? Or did that came later and transforming from that kind of world into what you’re doing now is shamanism, soul retrieval and working with people in a very different way?

Angie:
Yeah, I believe I’ve always been a spiritual being. I’m writing a book right now, by the way. It’s a four-part book series. My very first book is all about my younger years. I had a lot of spiritual experiences as a child, but I grew up in this very strict Catholic family. And so the things I would share were kind of poo-pooed on from my family, like, oh, that’s not religious, that’s the devil speaking, or don’t do that. In fact, my grandmother used to even call me Satan, and I was like, oh! You know, and so that was very devastating as a child. And so I kind of shunned these gifts that I had and kind of took a back seat on these spiritual things that I do now. But because it was me, as I got older, I started to dive into it a little bit more and more and not fear it and realize it’s not a devil gift, it’s a God gift. And that was my journey. I think it was probably when I graduated from college that I really started to step into myself and say, who am I? What am I curious about in the world? And just being brave enough to discover and go out and take classes. and learn and grow and experiment and try these things that I’m learning on my clientele. And that’s kind of how it started is just being brave enough. Even though you talked about the muscle tech transformation, there’s always been parts of me that’s been able to connect to my higher self. And I don’t know how I know sometimes how to do these things. And I was like, I think it’s just, you know, inherit gift. And I also believe past life comes in and you go, well, how do you do that? I don’t know. I just, I just did it. Uh, like I remember as I’m speaking to you about this time in my life where I had this boyfriend that was not so good for me and I knew it was the best thing to get rid of him. And I just was so attached to him. And so one day I did this meditation and I just saw myself in my highest light and saw my higher self. And I connected to that in the ethers and connected the silver strand to me to where I’m at now and says, help me get through. And I saw myself, you know, as if you’re looking down on your life, that’s just a little aspect of your life. It’s not such a big deal when you’re looking at the whole forest. But when you’re in the trees, it’s very difficult to navigate. And I just had to trust and connect and move through that relationship and get out of it. And so that’s how I’ve always kind of worked in my life is just connecting. And just like that muscle tech transformation competition, I remember connecting to my higher self again and saying, I am the winner of this competition. And it was so, you know, that I knew that I had to believe in myself and trust and not say I’m going to win or I’d like to win, but I mean, going to win, yes, but I am the winner. And everybody thought I was crazy when that happened, because I read this magazine, and I’m like, I’m going to win this competition. Everybody told me it was a joke. They were like, that’s not real. They’re trying to sell supplements. And I said, no, look, the fine print says you don’t have to buy supplements from them. You just have to document everything you did to exercise, eat right, and then submit it. And then there was pictures, before and after pictures. And I just believed in myself. And it was kind of like a fool on a journey where I didn’t know where it was going, I just trusted. I had no idea there was that many people. It wasn’t until I won that they said, did you know there was 30,000 people entrance? And I’m like,

Guy:
Yeah, and that was the… That’s amazing, yeah. And, you know, you talk about belief, and that’s an interesting one, and it seemed like that’s inherent in you, like that’s been part of your DNA from the get-go, and having that belief. And do you feel that that can be cultured in people too? Because I see, come across so many people that don’t have it, and I’m intrigued to know your views, because even on my journey growing up as a kid, I always never felt like I fitted in. There was something calling me forward. But I had no religious background. I had no spiritual background. I had no one in my life to guide me or influence me. So I kind of just was like a leaf blowing in the wind, I describe it, just trying to figure out my own life. But I noticed later in life, as I started to go inward and heal my traumas and different aspects, this belief started to naturally present itself forward as I connected more back to myself.

Angie:
Yeah, absolutely.

Guy:
You found that to be the case, yeah.

Angie:
A hundred percent. And so whether you feel it now, trust that it’s inherent in you and you have to just step into yourself and trust and believe. And that’s what I do with my clients primarily in coaching is to really get them to see their dream and believe in themselves and believe that it is possible. And I always say, if you can see it, you can believe it. And so knowing that it’s your dream, everybody has a dream, and everybody’s dream is unique. And the reason why is it’s because it’s yours. And if you couldn’t dream it, then it wouldn’t be something you were thinking about. So that means it couldn’t be possible unless you can visualize it or see yourself doing that. And so through that realization, you’re like, I just need to step into who I really am because I came here to do this because this is something I want. And that’s the work I do with my clients is to really believe in themselves.

Guy:
So was that the same for you, then, transitioning into going into the mystery school and learning shamanism and things like that? Because I looked at your media background as well on your website, and you’re clearly entrenched in the fitness industry and a figurehead in there, and it’s so impressive. But did you come up against yourself about, I guess, owning spirituality at all, or was that a

Angie:
It’s just nonsense. Yeah, you know, for me, I think it was simple because I went against myself as a child, you know, and what my parents wanted, what I thought the church wanted, what I thought was right, and so I came upon myself then, and so I kind of stepped away from it. But when I started to believe in myself, start my business, and started exploring, that’s when I just went with it. I just felt right, and I’m like, I’m gonna do this because it feels right, and I was getting positive results, and I could see that it was helping people, not hindering people. And so I didn’t have any second guessing of the work I was doing because I was like, no, this is changing lives. And that’s what I wanted to do. And what, you know, mystery school was a big impact on that. You know, it’s one of those things where most of the things in my life I’ve been called, excuse me, And it was more like I had this intuitive feeling, like I just knew. And sometimes bad things happen in your life, but they turn out to be good. So for example, I took this class from this teacher, and I really liked her work online. And I took this course she offered. And then she offered this retreat. And I said, oh, I’m going to meet her in person. This will be fantastic. And when I met her, her energy was so very different than I expected. And it was very buzzy. It felt just chaotic. And I thought, this isn’t the energy that you would feel around a master, because when a master has vibration to him. It’s very calming, and it can be elevating, but it’s not like a caffeine elevation. And I had that experience with her. I’m like, this girl, something is off with her. And so all she said during her three-day workshop was, I dropped out of mystery school. I got kicked out of mystery school. And she was joking about it. And I thought, I don’t know what mystery school is, but I’ve got to go. And so that’s how I found out about mystery school. I thought, if this girl doesn’t like it, I’m going to love it. So immediately after the workshop, I just looked online. I found a mystery school. I signed up. And when I went to it, they’re like, how did you hear about it? And 98% of the people who go to mystery school is word of mouth. They’re heard from a friend of a friend, and they go. So for me to show up and say, I just had this calling, they were like, what? It’s so unusual for them to get that kind of response. And I said, I knew this was right for me. And it was. It was so right. During that process, I really learned about who I was. They help you ground into yourself to discover what it is that you’re here to do on the planet. And what I discovered is my sole purpose is to inspire. I’m here to inspire others. And so whatever that may be in their life, to inspire them to be a better doctor, a better mother, a better athlete, just to be better. And that’s my dream is for everybody to, as a collective consciousness grow and we all evolve together.

Guy:
Yeah, beautiful. It’s funny, hey, because even the very word mystery, I’ve heard it come up on the podcast several times and I’m like, oh, that really is a mystery because I have no idea what they’re doing in there.

Angie:
Right, they keep it. Yes, it’s esoteric sciences and they keep it a mystery because otherwise it wouldn’t be a mystery. And so a lot of the things that we did in those practices were sworn to secrecy to make sure that it stays sacred. That way it’s not just being bombarded over the internet and shared with people without proper knowledge or guidance so that they respect the knowledge

Guy:
Yeah, beautiful. And leaning into the study you did with shamanism as well, and I was fascinated because I caught a glimpse. I had a scan through the book proposal this morning, and it actually spoke about a shaman never calls himself a shaman. They leave it up to the person, which I thought was beautiful as well, not to have that identity with the role itself.

Angie:
Yes, yes. So I did the three-year advanced training through Michael Harner’s work. And when you go through the three years at the end, they said, now you’re not going to get a diploma. You’re not going to get a certificate. And the reason why, and the reason why is they said, you can be called a shamanic practitioner, but it’s the community, the person that you’re working on is to acknowledge you as a shaman. And you never know when those gifts will be taken away from you. So if you get too in your ego to, you know, in your head and not connecting to the spirit, then it won’t work with you. And so always being humble and being gracious and being accepting of the energy that’s working through you. And it’s not of you, it’s through you and it’s around you. you’re a conduit and to be respectful of that because sometimes people get, no, I’ve got the power and I’m going to heal you. Well, it’s not me who does the healing. It’s like I’m allowing the work to be done and then I, which is also nice because when I work with somebody, I’m not attached to the outcome. You know, what I do is I give them what they need or what I feel they need or what I’m asked to do with them and then allow them to take that energy in and to heal themselves. And that’s really the important thing because a lot of people are just searching for someone to take away their pain. It’s not about taking away the pain. It’s like the pain’s there for a reason. And so if I can guide you into understanding why that pain came and so that you can move forward, then the healing will take place.

Guy:
Yeah, beautiful. How much do you feel then, because, you know, we kind of, in Western society, we’re brought into this very mechanistic kind of way of looking at things, and a lung is a lung, and you take apart a lung. If there’s something wrong with the lung, we just focus on the lung. And yet, you know, once we go beyond that and start to look at things holistically, with the work of shamanism and soul retrieval and the very things you do, which I’d love to dig into in a sec anyway, but how much do you feel that is supporting one’s well-being and healing? Because that is completely not even looked at.

Angie:
Yes, so absolutely. Yeah, so sometimes I do both. As a holistic lifestyle coach, we look at the basics first and then we call it foundation principles. So making them think right, breathe right, move right, eat right, drink right, sleep right, and those are the basics. And then when we say, okay, you got those under your belt and things are still not improving, then we look at the underlying factors and say, where is it coming from? Where is this dis-ease in your body? And so is it coming from something that’s in the past that you haven’t gotten over? Maybe you have guilt or shame or feelings of not being accepted that are still in your field today because of something that happened so impactful in early years. And so then with shamanism, we can go back and look at those events in your life. When we go together, I take my client and we go look at these events and say, is there any soul loss there? because if there’s soul loss, then you’re going to find challenges in their everyday life because it’s kind of like, I call it like Groundhog’s Day, where if you had some traumatic event and you’re still part there, part of you is reliving that event over and over and over again. And so we have to go over and it’s kind of like tapping that person on the shoulder and saying, hey, you’re done here. You don’t have to be here anymore. You don’t have to be getting hit anymore. You don’t have to be punished anymore, whatever’s happening. and bring them back into the now. And when you bring those fragments back, then you’re more in the now, which means all your senses are more enlivened. Your sense of taste, smell, eyesight, hearing, all those things are now fully integrated, and so you’re more living in the now.

Guy:
How would you define the soul then and its relationship to the physical body?

Angie:
Okay, so the soul is your non-physical you, that part of you that isn’t of the physical body. The soul is the part that lives forever. So our body gets old, it dies, but the part that lives on is the soul. So there’s that part of you that has the information, the memories stored, everything that you learn is stored in your soul. All the experiences that you accumulate in this lifetime and all your lifetimes are stored and referenced in the soul. And so that’s the part that we work on because that’s the part where we want to, you know, When you die, when your soul moves on, if there’s any polarity in there, if there’s so much, I think it was Yogananda said, if you so much as crave a strawberry milkshake, you’ll come back and take a body on to do so. So if there’s any unfinished business in your life, any, oh I wish I could have in your life, then you’re going to take on another body to experience that. So it’s really important to, everything you want to do, do it so that when you die, you feel like I did everything, I didn’t hold back. And that’s important because if not, there’s this thing called the wheel of samsara, which says, okay, I’m gonna find parents that are the right parents to have me have that experience that I craved in this lifetime that I didn’t get.

Guy:
Wow. Do you feel then, with, I was trying to think, there’s two questions that were coming in then, but so with the reliving of past lives and coming into a new carnation, that would actually bring in traumas from previous lifetimes in our lifetime now?

Angie:
You sure can. Absolutely. So usually in my work what I do is start with the foundation principles that I talked about, then look into soul retrieval of this lifetime and see if there’s anything traumatic from this lifetime. And if there’s still issues with the person, then we go back and look at past lives. And say, okay, maybe this stress is coming from a previous lifetime. And so we go look back with the intention of saying, what are the lives that are the most prevalent to this life that has caused these challenges? And oftentimes we find something in a previous lifetime that has been unresolved. And it’s still weighing on the soul, and so we have to remove that. And so it can be a very powerful experience when they realize, oh my gosh, this is coming from that. And it seems like just the awareness of finding out what it is relieves it in itself. It’s like you could just going, this is where it came from.

Guy:
Wow. Is that how you would define soul retrieval? Because of that trauma or that’s still in the field, the soul’s not able to fully embody itself into the physical body in the now?

Angie:
Right, so think of your soul as, sometimes people think the soul like is hanging out in the chest or hanging out in your head or something. The soul is in every single cell of your body. Every piece of your body has your soul, unless we have soul loss. So soul loss is a part of you has deemed doesn’t feel safe to be inside your body. Sometimes soul loss occurs when we don’t like our body. You go, I don’t like my abs. I don’t like my butt. I don’t want to like something. And the more you say that, you reject the soul from that part of your body, which creates more trauma and more pain. So I always tell my clients, when you don’t like a body part, treat it like a child, you know, and hug it and kiss and rub and say, Oh, I’m going to make you better versus I hate you. And I wish you would, you know, can cut this out or remove it or, alter it in some way. You wouldn’t do that to a child. You would say, okay, let me see how I can make you feel better. And so that’s how soul loss occurs when we start not appreciating the beauty of the body we came into. Or something, like I said, so scary where you felt like you were gonna die, wished you would die, didn’t feel you belonged, then there’s soul loss too. A lot of people can think back in their lives and going, oh yeah, I wish I could have just ran away from there. You know, something happens or maybe they’re attacked and they’re like, I just wish I could, you know, fly away or run away. And so there’s part of them that did. Or if you’re in a car accident and you saw the car accidents happening, there was nothing you could do. Part of you is so scared that you’re going to die that it jumps out of your body and says, oh, I don’t want to feel the pain of that accident. Well, then if you survive it, then there’s part of you that’s still outside the body because it didn’t come back. And so now you might have a fear of cars, you know, afraid of anything that you had a traumatic experience from until we bring that piece back and say it’s safe to come back.

Guy:
And then do you find that if it hasn’t been retrieved back, then it can show up in physical elements? Absolutely. Manifesting, yeah.

Angie:
Yeah, so think of it like if you didn’t like your stomach, that’s where you’re going to have problems, stomach problems, digestive problems. You know, I don’t like my tummy or I don’t like my legs. You might have circulatory problems. Sometimes women will hold on to more weight in those areas because they’re pulling their soul out of those areas and so there’s lack of circulation, lack of vitality in those areas and so they become diseased. And so yes, you’ll find a correlation to where it is. And so some of the work, when we go back and look at soul retrieval, we look to see where there was a hole in their field. And so that those emotions that you’re experiencing are being held in an organ or body part. And so you have to remove the negative emotions and then invite back the soul back into those areas.

Guy:
Wow, yeah, no, I love it. I’m thinking of the listeners as well, because I know exactly what questions will be coming up right now. And so, like, when you’re working with someone and you say, find a hole in the field, how do you do that? Like, what’s happening there?

Angie:
Okay, so yeah, I put the client in a guided meditation, and so we’re in this translate state, and you literally are feeling in your body where that emotion’s coming from. So if you really get still enough, you can feel like when you think of a negative time in your life, you’ll say, where am I hanging on to that energy? Where in my body am I storing it? Oftentimes, hatred is in the liver, anxiety is in the stomach, worry can be in the kidney, And so we just look and we feel. And typically it’s where they’re having their discomforts and their disease. And so they look in there and go, oh yeah, I’m holding that emotion there. It could be in the heart. Maybe it was a breakup or something that they’re still holding on to and their heart is still suffering. So when you are working with it, you’re fixing the hole that was in their heart or fixing the hole that was in their liver. And so you’re healing it.

Guy:
Yeah, beautiful. I know the answer to the next question, but I really want to hear it from you. If we’re diving into this work, and I see this a lot, that they’re exploring the esoteric, the spiritual aspects and these experiences, but they don’t eat well, they don’t move well, They don’t drink well, they don’t sleep well, and they don’t have the foundations in place. And they’re not even acknowledging that in any shape or form and diving heavily into this aspect. How intertwined are those two relationships with this kind of work?

Angie:
Well, yes, 100%. If there’s a challenge in your lifestyle, you need to get healthy first. When we’re inviting soul back, we want it to be a place to be safe. And if it feels malnourished or in a disease, you have a chance that your soul would want to leave again. So we don’t want to create soul loss again. first and foremost we usually ask the part of your soul that has been missing what it needs to feel safe. So there’s usually a request, hey drive slower, just be more mindful, whatever that request is, and so they have to honor that request. But then also we want to nourish the body because you know, healthy body, healthy mind. And so if you want to have a full on experience in this world, you need to be healthy enough to do so. And so that’s where the work has to take place is to recognize that your body is a temple. And if it’s not taken care of, then, you know, it’s like who’d want to be in there, you know, and you want to make it a sacred place that your soul says this is a beautiful place to be.

Guy:
Yeah, beautiful. And have you, on your journey and experiences, have you gone into your own past lives? Have you had vivid experiences? Oh, yeah. Come up.

Angie:
Please share some, I’d love to hear. Yeah, so, you know, and everybody, it’s like, when you do this work, usually in your past life, you were just some humble person. A lot of times people are like, oh, I was Benjamin Franklin, I was, you know, somebody famous, you know, and usually you’re just Joe Schmo, you know, and you’re having a regular life experience. But I had a really interesting one happen that I wrote about in my book. What happened is when I was in high school, messing around, tampering with some medicines and things, I had this experience that I was somebody else. that was my first past life regression, but I didn’t know what it was. And so what happened is we got real high and I went out to this field and I was sitting with my friends. And the next thing I know, I’m like, Hey, can you find my father? And they’re like, what are you talking about? And I would, I stated my name and I said, you know, I’m very, I was very frantic. I’m like, I need his help right away. It’s very, very important. And they’re like, Angie. And every time they called me Angie, I’m like, no, I can’t exactly remember the girl’s name. I have it in my journals, but I would be like, no, I’m Mary Ellen or whatever. And they’re like, no, you’re Angie. And then when they go, OK, Mary Ellen, I’d be like, what are you guys talking about? I’m Angie. I was confused. So when they called me the girl’s name, I flashed into my body. I’m like, what’s wrong with my friends? Why are they calling me that? But then I would go into this experience. And I was living that experience of this girl. And they were like, OK, Angie’s way too high. So they grabbed me from this field. We started walking away. And when I was about, you know, 20, 40 yards away, all of a sudden I was like, what just happened back there? And they’re like, we don’t know, but you were not in your body. I’m like, and I was like, what was that? And so I just kind of kicked it as to, wow, you know, stay away from drugs or something, you know, because it can alter your mind. And I didn’t know what that was until many years later. I’d say 15 years later, I was taking this class with this teacher and she did past life regression. I said, oh, that sounds like a fabulous thing to do. So I signed up for this class and she said, we’re going to go experience a past life. And so in that past life, I was this girl and it hit me in the experience that it was this girl that I was in the field many years earlier. And I saw this young girl who I was and it was in this time, not renaissance, but where the girls wore the corsets, maybe like a country time where they wore the tight little corsets and the little gowns and the long boots that went up to their knees and it was laced up to their knees. I was this young girl, and I used to love to go to the stables, and I wanted to see my horse. I used to ride this horse, and I did competitions with this horse. I always wore these big, heavy boots that were tall, that went up to my knee. This one particular day, I just wanted to go visit my horse, and I decided not to put my boots on. I was walking the stables barefoot, and my horse, it was kind of a big Clydesdale kind of horse. It was a big horse. And I went and I saw and I touched its back, you know, its butt, and it startled the horse and its leg came up and hit me and hit me in the neck. And I was like, ah! And then it flashed back to that time when I was in high school, and I was dying because I couldn’t breathe, and my soul had come out of my body. I was like, please find my father. My father was the sheriff of the town, and that’s what I was telling my friends at the time. Please, it’s an emergency. I need to find my father. And I was going on and on about how important it was that I needed help. And so at that time, what happened, I actually died. It hit my trachea so bad that I suffocated. It was interesting. It hit a hoove. I remember my foot was close to the stable. It came down and hit one of my toes. I could see it severed one of my toes as well through the impact, and then I blacked out, and that was that lifetime. And so what’s interesting is sometimes in past lives we’ll have scars in this body, but they’ll be called birthmarks. And so if you have a birthmark in a strange area, it could be a gunshot wound from a previous life. It could be somebody stabbed you and you’ll have a little birthmark there, but really it’s a reminder energetically of your previous lifetime. Interesting enough, on my right foot I have a toe that’s a little bit longer than the other one on my left foot. It almost looks like something happened to it, but that’s where I saw the hoof of that horse hit my foot. And so, and then interesting in this lifetime, I was within two months of age, I had bronchitis and I had this breathing disorder. And so my whole life I had this fear of not being able to breathe and that carried on from that lifetime. And so I don’t like tank tops. I might not take the turtlenecks, you know, like the sweater on your neck. I don’t like jewelry around my neck. I could wear long jewelry, but stuff that’s tight. It causes this panic, it’s like this cellular trauma that says, don’t, I need to breathe. And so that came from that one lifetime.

Guy:
Wow, that’s fascinating. Do you believe… And it’s just a belief that we pre-plan these things before we come in, so we experience them, and there are no accidents?

Angie:
Yeah, I do believe that. It’s mapped out, but it’s for us to have this experience. So there is free will, and so we have a choice, but we say, hey, in this lifetime, I didn’t do this, I’d really like to go back and experience that. And so we make soul contracts, and says, okay, this is how it’s gonna go down, and we all jump in a body, and we all go in, And then we have them, we play out these soul contracts that we have with others. And so, yes, it’s all planned out. And sometimes it’s like, hey, I, you know, and sometimes we get mad, like, oh, why did I do that to my friend? I’m like, you know what? Maybe it was a soul contract. Like sometimes you’re like, I hit my buddy. Why would I hit my buddy? And so it could have been something like, hey, I hit my buddy because I had a soul contract says I need to wake him up. And so that was the way to, you know, to say, hey, you’re going in the wrong direction, smack him, and then you feel bad for the rest of your life. But it’s like, no, no, that might have been a soul contact, and very much likely it was. And so it’s very interesting. And sometimes you have to tiptoe around that because people get a little upset about that. But I’ve seen people who’ve been molested in this lifetime. It turns out in their past life, they were the molester. And they’ve taken on a body because they have so much remorse when they realize what happened. They said, I don’t know the impact I did to my, you know, the victims until I experienced it myself. And so you might take on a body just to experience it. So your soul goes, now I know the impact of that choice I made in my previous lifetime.

Guy:
Yeah, wow. And I guess the challenge is as well then, though, is that the way the human mind works is that we could hang on to that and say, I’m being punished now in this lifetime, or I’ve been punished, and it stops us from moving forward and evolving the soul.

Angie:
Absolutely. Absolutely. And that’s one of the main things I do with my clients is to see the learning potential there and saying, hey, let’s get past the feeling of being punished and recognize that all of these are lessons that will eventually propel you in this lifetime and propel you in the next lifetime. And I always tell them, gotta do the work. People are like, oh, in the next lifetime. I said, don’t wait till the next one because God has eternity. You can take on two, three, four, five lifetimes to learn it, but if it’s uncomfortable, let’s learn it now so that you get past this lesson so that in your next lifetime can be a lot more enjoyable.

Guy:
And I ponder on this, I don’t have an answer, but what do you think the bigger picture is for the soul and its connection to Source and the universe, and why we’re coming in and reliving and experiencing and learning?

Angie:
The question I have for you is, what else does God have to do? So you recognize that we’re all God. We’re just fragments of God. Our soul is the piece of us that’s God, and God wants to experience everything. He wants to experience being an animal, being a plant, being a person, everything. So it’s like in order to fully experience that, imagine if you’re a creator and you create something. The only way you would know what it was like is letting it be whatever it wants to do. You might put it through hardships or put it through happy times to see out of curiosity, how does that react to that stimuli, good or bad? So it’s kind of like experiments, like what does my creature do? Wow, look how strong they are. Wow, look how powerful. Wow, look at this. Oh, that’s too much, it’ll break them. And so you’re learning about what your creation is. And so we’re taking these experiences so God gets to experience what life is and that’s how God knows what it is.

Guy:
Hmm, to see itself, yeah.

Angie:
To see itself.

Guy:
Yeah, and do you, I don’t know why I’m going off on this tangent, but with the soul, do you think that we’re having multiple experiences? Oh, you can. It’s all going down and, yeah.

Angie:
Yes, so sometimes we get caught up on this linear idea of time, but it’s actually happening all at the same time. In fact, the work you do now on yourself could affect previous lifetimes and future lifetimes at the same exact time. And so I’ve actually done some serious work with people where we go and do healing on that person in that time, and that person has this aha moment that says, I remember doing this back then. I felt this guiding light or touch on me at that time, and I didn’t realize it was me touching me at this time. And so you might have had those moments where you’re like, I felt God touch me, and it could have been you touching you.

Guy:
Yes. Wow. So then, what is your relation? I’m curious to ask this next question about your relationship then to death and dying and that cycle itself, because I remember I did a shamanic journey, oh gosh, it must have been 11 years ago now, and I was terrified to go in. And when I drank, it was ayahuasca, and I spent months and months preparing, I took it very seriously. But then when I laid on the mat, I felt as if I was actually, there was a death within me. And it was the closest I’ve probably come so far to experience what that moment would be like to simply surrender and let go. And then I went on my journey, because I had to give up the fear to go. And it was probably the most pivotal moment in my life, looking back, just that one moment.

Angie:
Yeah, to surrender.

Guy:
And it sent me off in a different trajectory. And I was like, oh my God, like changed my life really just that one moment. And yeah, life’s never been the same since. Within all that, it has made me think about death and dying and living to fully live in this life now to really start to have the courage to lean into the things that I was probably too fearful before, because ultimately, as you overcome these things, and I’m just curious to know your relationship with it. What do you think happens when we when we die? And yes, embrace that to live your life now.

Angie:
Yeah, so recognizing, yeah, we die, but we can take another body. But my second book is called Death and Dying. It’s all about this stuff. And so it was fascinating to me because I kind of learned intuitively. But what happened is my ex-husband had some elderly relatives in their 80s, 90s, and I happened to be there in their lives when they were passing on. And so this was a time when I was doing a lot of deep meditations, and I was just really connected to spirit. And so when I was around them at this time, I started noticing I could see. people showing up like you know apparitions like it was you’d call ghosts and I’m like and so I was like wow and I’m like I’m seeing something and I would tell my ex-husband I’m like I see such-and-such and I would describe the person I was seeing now I’ve never you know these were people I met later in their 80s so I didn’t know the people they knew in their past and he’d be like oh yeah that was their partner or that was their friend or whatever he knew these people but I didn’t but I was confirmation that what I was seeing someone else could verify and say that was such-and-such and And so it was really a beautiful time because it was so comforting to know that yes, in fact, your loved ones do show up at your time of death and they do help you cross over. And so I learned a lot in that time. In fact, I’m still very humble about what I learned because just when you think you’ve learned it all, something happens. For example, I used to think, okay, when someone dies and if they were married, usually when their partner shows up, if they were still in love with each other, that’s usually it. They will just carry over. You can literally see the soul come out of the body and they take off and the body will die. But then I’ve seen it otherwise worse. It was one of his aunts and she was on her deathbed. And first I saw this guy show up and I’m like, oh, there he is. He goes, nope, no, that’s the brother. I’m like, oh, okay, that’s not, she’s not dying yet. And then, you know, I think shortly after then this other man showed up and I described him to my ex and he’s like, oh yeah, that’s her husband. I’m like, okay. And I saw this, and I literally get these visions, they’re so full on. And I saw her leave her body and he came over and they were like hugging each other. And they were just so beautiful, like I almost wanted to cry because imagine he had been dead for 30 years now and she’s seeing this Man, she loved her whole heartily her whole life never remarried and he came to see her and like she’s gonna go She’s gonna go and I’m watching the scene and then instead of hit her taking off with him He just lets go of his arms and he kind of puts his arms down and he steps back from her and I’m like, oh wait She she’s not going yet. He’s like what’s happening? I don’t know and And I literally saw him dissolve back into the wall, disappear, and then she went back into her body. I’m like, she’s not dying right now. And so then I realized, well, not always when you see your loved one do they take you. So for some reason, she must have had something she needed to still get through. Maybe in her mind, she had to resolve something that was still holding her back, that was not allowing her to cross over at that time. I don’t know, but the next day she did pass on, so she needed a few more hours, but it was like she wasn’t ready yet, and he had to let go and let her come back the next day she passed on. So it’s fascinating, but all those stories help me see and go, okay. For example, I’ll tell you another really great story. When I was doing this work, the first one I remember is when my ex-husband’s father died. He did not want to die. He was in and out of homes because he had a stroke, and then he was healing, and he couldn’t walk, and he recovered. And he had this need to live. And the reason why is his wife had a serious disease, and he was her primary caregiver. And he was afraid to leave her here without, so his desire was, I gotta get better, I gotta take care of my wife. I gotta take care of my wife. And so he kept on fighting the death process, and fighting and fighting it. And so he had many seizures at the end. And it’s kind of like the soul saying, I need to leave, and the body saying, no. And you’re, you know, so there’s this battle between you and your soul. And so you see seizures happening and people biting their tongues and all this crazy stuff. And so when he finally, finally did pass on, which took years, maybe a year and a half or so, when he finally was, his body was just exhausted and it finally gave up, his body went through the death process. He had to die and then his soul left. So he was in his body until he had to be, when your body dies, your soul has to pop out. It’s like it’s done. And so he held on as long as he could. And when he did, he looked up and he saw something so beautiful. And I don’t, I didn’t see what he saw because I was looking directly at him and I was like, But all I saw is this man who had been in pain and agony and biting his tongue and seizures and struggling, struggling, struggling, just nothing but this fierce look at his face. And that moment he died, he goes, and he had this such a beautiful, happy, joyous thing, like he saw something so magical, and then he was gone. I’m like, oh, what did he see? And I could only imagine, I know that he had had a son that died when he was only 18 years old, and I feel that he probably saw his son, but I didn’t look, I was so excited to look at him and go, whoa. And so I saw that and I said, oh, so the body dies and the soul leaves. And that’s how I figured it was happening. And it wasn’t until, it was only three months later that his wife was passing on. And there was no reason for her death, besides she had this disease that she had for a while, but they called it end-of-life agitation, like she was just ready to go. And so she was in the hospital, they were monitoring her, they couldn’t figure out anything really wrong with her, she was just agitated. And they just said, you know, she’s ready to go. And so we were going to visit her every single day because we were really worried about her. And so we lived very close to the hospital. And so my husband’s like, okay, we were leaving one night and he always told the night shift, the nurse, this is, hey, if something happens in the middle of the night, we’re only 10 minutes away, we wanna be here. So we wanna be here if she’s passing on, just wake us up, doesn’t matter what time. So he went to tell the nurse that. And so I was sitting by the bed, and I was between the two hospital beds, and she was in this bed, and she was in this coma-like state, and her eyes were closed, and she was just resting peacefully. And I was just waiting for him to come back, and all of a sudden, the father, who had just died three months ago, the one I just told you the story about, I see him coming through. Again, it’s like an apparition. I see him walk through, just like you’re a person walking through the door, came up, came up to me. I’m sitting down, kisses me on the forehead and walks around. And when he did that, I saw my mother-in-law at the time, open her eyes and look at him. And so he started walking between the two beds and she was gazing at him. So I saw her wake up and gaze. And as I’m walking around the bed, I’m seeing her follow him. I’m following him. I see this kid in the corner with his hands in his pocket and a hat on his head and just staring down at her on the bed. And I just noticed that and I see him go around. As he went around to the other side of the bed, she looked at him and he just grabbed her and they just went like out the window. It was just gone. And just at that time, my ex shows up and he comes into the room, goes, OK, we’re leaving. I’m like, no, not now. And he looked at me and he knew I had this gift. And I said, she’s dead. And you could see the monitors, everything looked normal. The heart rate, monitor, everything. She’s dead, she just left. And he looked at me, and then just seconds later, it goes beep! And you could see the monitor flatline, and she was gone. All the nurses came in, they said she’s gone. But she died, her soul left, and then her body died. So there’s these two ways I’ve seen the body, you know, soul leave. So you can wait till the last minute, or you can wait till, you know, you can leave, and then your body goes through the death process.

Guy:
Have you always been able to see spirit like that?

Angie:
Or was that something that developed? Well, I did. Like I said, I was a child and I saw these things and my grandmother was just like, that’s evil. She thought it was very scary. So I blocked it out. And I didn’t know anybody who had those gifts. And I remember just kind of being like, well, who else does this? Because not a lot of people see that way. So I kind of kept it to myself. And then what was interesting is my grandmother from my mom’s side, so my family, my dad’s side, they’re the Catholic ones that I was raised with. My family from Mexico was a little bit more open, and I didn’t know that. And so it was later in life that they’re like, oh, we have a bruja in the family, which means witch. And so it turns out there was my grandmother, my great grandmother, they all were these brujas in the family, and so it was quite interesting. In fact, when I went to Spain, where my ancestors came from, there was a museum of witches, and they had these columns as a, like a, you know, what do you call it, a tribute to people that were killed in the witch slayings. And they had the last names of all the witches that were killed, and one of them was Iribarren, which is my mother’s maiden name. And I’m like, there we are. We were killed during that time. And so anyway, what happened is when my grandma was about 98, I went to visit her in this home, because she had broken her hip. So previous to that, she lived on her own till 98 years of age. So pretty amazing. But then she was in this home, and she was just kind of bored stiff. Because imagine a woman taking care of herself, washing, cooking, cleaning. And now she breaks her hip, and she’s told she can do nothing. And so she was bored out of her mind. So we went to go visit her, and so we took a plane trip out to Mexico, and I’m with my family. And unfortunately, I don’t speak fluent Spanish. I speak enough Spanish, but not fluent, so it takes a lot of energy for me to stay in a conversation, because it’s just like me having to translate in my head. And so there was times when I was just kind of in and out of the conversation, kind of looking around, and I noticed that these ghost apparitions were showing up. And then I was like, there’s a little boy that just walked down the stairs and I kind of see it. And then I noticed my grandmother who’s in front of me noticing it too, because she’s kind of in and out of the conversation because she’s 98 and she points to it. And I’m like, Oh my gosh, it was the first time in my life that someone else saw what I was seeing. And then this little girl, and she’s like, ah, la mejita. She saw the little girl, and I’m like, oh my gosh. And so I’m sitting there, and my family’s kind of noticing because she’s talking to people. And I realized she was actually channeling them in. She was actually calling them in because she was bored out of her mind in the home, and she made friends with these spirits that were in this home. And then the funny part was this. older man shows up, a ghost, and it was in this, it was a sailor, and he had this big heavy coat on, and I could see him, and I see him walking towards me this way, and everybody’s like, and she’s looking at him, and everybody’s now, the family’s looking at what she’s doing, and they’re like, oh, she’s going crazy, and I said, no, no, there’s really a ghost here, and they’re like, really, you can see it? I’m like, yes, it’s valid, and he comes up behind me, standing here between me and my cousin, and I told her, my cousin, like, he’s between us, and she’s like, oh my gosh, I’m like, don’t worry, he’s not a bad soul, he’s just a lost soul, And my grandmother, who’s so funny, she’s sitting there and she’s flirting with him. And she’s giving him these eyes and she’s flirting. And I’m looking at her and she goes, oh, what am I thinking? I’m much too old for him. You know, this is a sailor who’s probably in his 30s, you know, 35 or 40, you know, and she’s like, I’m much too old for him. And, but that was such an exciting day for me. Cause I’m like, Oh, I finally found someone who could see what I see. Cause often you see these things and no one else can see them. And so you’re like, is it in my mind? Am I going crazy? Is this real? And so when someone can see the same things, it’s like validity, you know? And it’s like, that is amazing.

Guy:
That is amazing, that really is amazing. I’ve only spoke to, like I’ve done 300 podcasts, or maybe more, and I’ve only spoke to a few people that can see spirit like that, you know? And do you feel this happens at birth as well? Because I tell you why, because when my first daughter was born, Ava, she’s nearly four now, my wife went into labor, but it turned out to be an extremely long labor, 27, 28 hours. And me not experiencing birth before, I was very relaxed about it, and I hadn’t prepared food, I hadn’t prepared anything to take. It was during COVID, so we decided to use a birthing center. We were toying up with what to do with everything. And I go there, and the labor took so long, I was exhausted. I hadn’t slept, went right through the night to come out. And I got to the point where I was delirious, and the nurse said, look, lay down for half an hour. you’ll be okay. My wife’s just like, do it. So I laid next to her and I laid down and I went straight into the field because I was so tired, there was no reason. And I felt as if there was a room full of beings just coming in, offering, waiting to support the person. Ava, it was a moment that I was like, I started crying because it was like, oh my God,

Angie:
Yeah, that’s absolutely true. I’m so glad you did. And it’s true. So we always think, oh, when we die, they come. But when you’re born, they come too. So they are there to guide that soul in and they are holding the space. So there’s that ability to come into the earth plane. So yeah, it’s great that you were able to see that.

Guy:
Yeah, it was a magic moment. It makes me emotional now thinking about it. But yeah, it was incredible. Incredible. Do you feel then, I’m curious to know as well, that we can develop those gifts of seeing beings or do you think that’s a gift that we’re just coming with?

Angie:
Yeah, so you know, typically what I tell people is start with the gift that you know you’re good at. Like some people have a gift of hearing. So they can hear, and sometimes like I’m just hearing a voice in my head or hearing a voice. Some people can sense or see colors. And sometimes it’s just a feeling in their body that they know. So whatever it is, use that. Sometimes people will smell things like, oh my gosh, I’m smelling baked apple pie or something. And they’re like, it’s not existing, but they can smell it. Like at some level there’s this pie or whatever. So, pay attention what gift is best for you. A good exercise you can give your audience is to say, imagine right now if you’re looking at a bowl of maybe strawberries. We’re all looking at this bowl of strawberries. What is it that if you’re really trying to connect to the strawberries, what sense do you connect with? Is it taste? Is it the touching of the strawberry? Is it just looking at the strawberry? You know, so there’s sometimes that’s clues is how when you like visualize which is your strongest sense of visualization. So, you know, sometimes people say, oh, it’s definitely the taste or definitely the smell of the strawberry, you know, and, you know, do it with also things that you can hear and say, what do you, what comes first? When you hear, see a puppy, are you hearing the bark or are you feeling the fur? And what is it that comes first? And you’ll notice that that’s your dominant sense that comes alive first. and practice with that. And as you grow your senses, you can grow all of them. They’re like external organs that we have. They’re external sensory organs. And as you practice, it becomes easier. And the best way to practice is just try it on your friends and family and be brave enough to say, oh my gosh, I’m getting this. Is this real or not? Is this valid? Because a lot of people get an intuitive hit and they They poo-poo it. They’re like, oh no, that can’t be true. And they just probably, that’s nothing. But I’m like, chances are it is something. And if you’re brave enough to say, I’m just, I’m feeling this right now. What is that about? What’s going on? And a lot of times the person you’re with will understand what that is. And that’s how I do a lot of my work. When I’m working with people, a lot of people hire me to talk to their deceased relatives. And I always say, give me a list of questions that you have for them. And after I get those questions answered, then I go in and I talk to the soul and say, tell me something I don’t know that they know, because that’s validity. Because if I’m answering a question, I might be like, yes, no, do this, do that. It’s like, well, how do we know if it’s Angie asking these questions or it’s really this person? And so I will ask and they will give me specific information. So at first, sometimes souls, souls always show up because they hear their name and they say, there’s nothing as juicy as your sound or your vibration of your name. So they will show up and it’s like, okay, I’ll be here because I love my loved one. And, and so they show up and then they will be sometimes reluctant to answer questions. Sometimes they’re excited to answer, but once they start sharing and then I say, okay, well, if you want this message to go really through and to be listen to, tell me something. And that’s when the juice comes in, because they’ll tell me, they’ll show me visions of things that happen. I just did one last week, and it was with his grandfather. And she was asking about her grandfather. And I often will connect even before the session to make sure that that soul is going to come in for me, and make sure there’s no hesitancy. And, and this particular, I said, I laughed, because I said, you know, Your grandfather is like really worried about this. Oh, I’m so worried. What is this going to do to her? Is this going to change her path and this and that? And she starts laughing. She goes, well, my grandfather’s Jewish and that’s such a Jewish trait that they always worry. And so I knew and I said, he has glasses. He’s very frail. And she goes, yes, yes, that’s him. So she showed me a picture. And as we’re doing this, she was asking questions. And at the end, I said, show me something that she only knows. And he was showing her being swung on a swing. And I said, there’s something with swings. She goes, oh yeah, we had swings at my house, his house, and at the beach. Swings are very, that’s where he spent a lot of time with me as a child. And then I saw this white cake. And I said, there’s something about this white cake. And so she goes, oh yeah, sometimes we have this white cake for a celebration. But it wasn’t until the week later she actually asked her family, asked her grandmother separately and her mom separately about her grandfather. And he goes, oh, that swing set, he paid for those swings. He’s the reason you had swings. And so it was like, not just showing the swings, but it was like, I bought you these swings and I hope you enjoyed them. Later, her grandmother said, yeah, the white cake is because he started having diabetes, and it was the only cake that we allowed him to have. So that’s the one he loved the most. So it’s funny, because there’s no way I would know that information. And so it’s beautiful when that happens, because it always happens, because I trust that it will. And I get information that only they would know, and that creates validity to what I’m sharing with them.

Guy:
Wow. How long do you generally work with people in a session when they come?

Angie:
Yes, so when they hire me, I say it’s a session. It’s typically about an hour. Sometimes it goes over an hour because spirit works in mysterious ways, and so I can’t be like, nope, time’s up, we gotta go. So it’s usually about an hour, but sometimes I go a little over, and that’s fine because I’m not looking at the clock. You know, this is not a, oh, this is an hour session. This is a session and I’m going to get, when I get clear and I feel that we got enough information, then I end the session. And so I don’t, I don’t use the time.

Guy:
Do you work remotely as well?

Angie:
I do. I work with people all over the world, so I do not have to be, they don’t have to be in my space. I can do a lot of things remotely. I do biogeometry remotely where I can test your organs and see how balanced you are.

Guy:
We haven’t even spoke about biogeometry today either. Oh my gosh, there’s a whole new rabbit hole down there as well. Just wrapping up the podcast for the next five minutes. How would you explain biogeometry briefly for people? Because we distribute it here in Australia. Wonderful.

Angie:
I love biogeometry. The way I like to describe it is a relatively new science that’s based on ancient Egyptian techniques. And so Dr. Karim, he was an architect and he is now in his 80s and he spent his entire life trying to find the understanding why the pyramids had healing properties, and what was the architectural design that emitted this healing energy. And through his work, he found out about biogeometry, and we call it BG3, the three energies that come together. So we’re talking about higher harmonics of gold, we’re talking about ultraviolet and higher harmonics of ultraviolet, and then vertical negative green. When these three energies come together, it creates a sacred healing site. We can replicate that energy, like right now I replicated the energy in my house, but it doesn’t say it’s a sacred site, but it has the healing properties of one. And so the reason it’s not a sacred site is because it happens naturally. We are influencing it with technology. And so that energy balances, harmonizes the plants, the animals, the whole space. And people come to our property, like, it’s so calm here. It’s so amazing. And so that energy, Dr. Cream had discovered that there’s these biosignatures. And the biosignatures, imagine your organs. And thinking as energetic beings, we have organs. We have lungs. We have, you know, heart, all the organs. And there’s energy pathways that our energy naturally takes to go through the heart or through the lungs. And there’s several of these pathways, but they’re called optimal pathways that energy should go through. And when we’re exposed to radiation and Wi-Fi buzz and even stress or food stress, all these things, it can alter that energetic pathway. Our bodies become confused, and so they create a new pathway in that organ. And if it’s not one of the designated pathways, it becomes a suboptimal pathway. And so now the energy is not the best way flowing through it. So now that can lead to illness or disease. And so with biogeometry, I can go in with the pendulum, see if there’s an imbalance in those organ systems. And when we find an imbalance, there’s a book of signatures that Dr. Cream has created. And if you’re interested, you can find the biogeometry biosignatures. You can buy it online, his book. And it shows these pathways. And so then I can use that book to determine which pathway is out of balance in that person. And so I create these things called emitters, they’re paper emitters, where there’s a picture of the person, and then the symbols are in there. And that will send that energy to that person for healing. Right on, yeah, absolutely. I usually have a bunch of them here, but I didn’t want it to be so messy for our interview. And then I have a file on the wall, and there’s 19 of them. And I usually am working with about 30 people, because I do them every week. And so I refresh them, I get new people, but I tell people I work on them for two weeks and then it’s on their own after that. And so I’ve seen tremendous things. In fact, I know that’s probably another whole podcast, but my mom in particular, four years ago, she was diagnosed with pulmonary fibrosis and she was told she had two years to live. And so diet and lifestyle was first, getting her to eat real food because as they get older, they eat crappy food. Got her to eat some more organ meats and then we did biogeometry on her. And through the biogeometry, her lungs started to heal. And it was one of those things where they couldn’t believe it because when you get diagnosed with that, you either stay the same or you get worse, but you don’t get better. And so, thankfully, this doctor that was hers, he had been in the practice for 30 years. So, when she came back, he told me, hey, she’s got this disease, she has to take this drug, and it’s just going to slow the disease process. And I said, wait a minute, before we start taking these experimental drugs, why don’t we do nutrition? He goes, oh, that’s great. He goes, I’m not a nutritionist. I’m like, but I am. He goes, all right, well, you work with her for six months. If she doesn’t get better, I’ll take care, of course, of her treatment. And I know darn well he was thinking, just pass it by this young girl, her daughter, and then we’re going to just put her on care and she’ll be gone in a year and a half. So I said, great. So for six months, this was during COVID, so we had this Zoom call, so doctors allowed that. And so I worked with my mom, and when she went back to do her breathing test, the nurse who was doing the test was looking at her, looking at the monitor, looking at her. My mom was getting nervous. She’s like, what’s the matter? What’s the matter? She goes, the doctor will have to tell you. The doctor will have to tell you. And she kept on looking. And finally, thankfully, the doctor told her her results that day because my mom was a nervous wreck. And he came in and showed her and goes, you’ve improved. And you didn’t just improve a little, you’ve improved a lot. And he’s like, what did you do? And so my mom rolls up her sleeves because I had made these signatures on her arms and stuff, and he’s showing her. And this doctor was interested. He was like, what is this technology? And he goes, He goes, keep seeing your daughter. She gets the results I can’t get. And so the story goes, my mom, it’s four years later, and she’s still alive. She’s not using any breathing oxygen or anything. And she has some issues with one of her lungs. The other lobe is fine. And that’s also mental, emotional stuff she has to work through, maintain the diet. So it’s not just, here, do biogeometry and you don’t have to do anything. You have to do the work. So I’m always reminding her, do your tai chi, do some energy zones so you energize that lung. But she’s alive and well today. She’s still working. She’s 74. She has a full-time job, and she’s able to do these things because of this technology.

Guy:
Wow, that’s amazing. I’m so glad we mentioned that before we ended. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, no, it’s incredible. You explained it much better than I can, that’s for sure. People ask me all the time and it’s like, oh, it’s such a rabbit hole.

Angie:
It is. It’s worth looking into though. And so hopefully they explore that because, yeah, I love biogeometry and I’m going to be teacher training soon. So I’ll be starting to teach the courses and I’m really excited about that. That’s amazing.

Guy:
We need to teach more people in Australia because there’s no one that we can get to come into the homes that are qualified to be able to do people’s homes and things like that.

Angie:
Oh, wow. Yeah, I’d love to.

Guy:
Yeah. Maybe we can arrange something in the future.

Angie:
Absolutely. I’d love to take my kids to Australia, have a vacation out there, do some work, helps people balance and harmonize their homes. That sounds like a plan.

Guy:
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So my last couple of questions for you, where can people go to learn more about you, Angie, and if they want to connect and explore your work?

Angie:
Yeah, so I do have a website. It’s angiesworld.com, A-N-G-I-E-S-W-O-R-L-D dot com. I also have the email angiesworldme.com and they can reach out either way to get a hold of me. So the email would probably be the easiest way. I’m still developing my website. It’s been around since I was a personal trainer and I’m slowly making it more into esoteric and so more of the spiritual realm, just like you. It’s like you evolve and you change and so eventually I’ll have courses on there that will go along with my book. And so they can take these courses to learn how to do some of these because I’m only one person and there’s so many people who need this work. And so I am excited to be able to share this work and teach others who want to do this kind of work and help the world because it needs it.

Guy:
Thousand percent, yeah, absolutely. And the links will be in the show notes as well for everyone to jump in on board on that. And last question for you. Simply, we’ve covered, wow, so many things today. And just thinking about listeners, is there anything you want to leave them with to ponder on?

Angie:
Huh, well, my favorite quote and probably is the best one to leave them with is, everything happens for a reason, right? Because that’s my favorite thing to look at life. And that’s what my book’s about, is to look at everything that’s happened and recognize there’s a purpose for it. Instead of feeling that you’re being, like you said, judged or punished by God, recognize the beauty in the gift. And when you can see past the injury or the assault or whatever happened to you and see what came from it, That’s when the magic happens. That’s what’s happened in my life. My life hasn’t been just easy peasy. I’ve had lots of challenges, but I look past it and say, what was the gift? Find the gift in everything that’s happened to you and you’ll see magic unfold in your life.

Guy:
Beautiful, beautiful. Angie, it’s been an absolute joy having you on the podcast today and connecting, get to know you. And I really appreciate your time and coming on today. So thank you.

Angie:
Thank you, Guy. Thank you. I really enjoyed being on your podcast.

Guy:
Thank you.