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Guy (00:11):
There we are. We are rolling. Wayne. Welcome to the podcast.

Wayne (00:14): Thank you guy. It’s nice to be here, mate. Uh, long time listener. So to be able to jump on here and have a bit of a chat to, and really looking forward to it, where it goes, that’s going to be the interesting part.

Guy (00:25): <laugh> look. Well, first of all, I just wanna say thank you. And I deeply appreciate it. Um, I, I can say after been doing podcasting now for, I think 10 years, almost 10 years, the end of this year through two different podcasts. Um, you know, it can, it can feel a bit of, uh, an unusual experience to be on the other side, even when I jump on interviews, um, now, and then I’m like, oh, I, I don’t feel as in control anymore, you know, I’m giving my, giving it over to someone else. <laugh> yes. So, uh, uh, so thank you. And cuz obviously I’ve gotten to know you over time and um, seen you on your own journey and how you’ve embraced this work and applied during your life. So I was excited, um, to try and get you on, um, which you, you, uh, happily agreed. So again, thanks for being here.

Wayne (01:14):
Yes, no worries. Thank you for having me.

Guy (01:20):
So I have to ask you, um, because you’re a builder and you know, I, I, I started life as a plumber apprentice in Wales as well, and I’m always fascinated, um, by one’s journeys. And I think that helps the listeners to relate to this, um, as well, or try and make it more relatable. How does a builder end up looking at one’s heart one’s emotions, meditation, and coming to a living floor retreat and basically diving down the rabbit hole. Like where did the staff view went?

Wayne (01:53):
Um, look, this journey I’m probably better off starting at this journey than having a bit of a chat about, um, where it come from. I suppose, once I’ve started work doing this work, a lot of realizations come that you, you just don’t pick up through your childhood and so forth that you, you go, oh geez, that I remember that happening back then, but you don’t give it any time because it’s, it’s not something that’s spoken about or you just don’t visit it. So I’ll start this journey. That’s probably the best bet. Um, and then I’ll just touch on that if, um, we come back to it if we get there. So I, I suppose the big thing for me was, um, a few years back, um, of just a bit of background. So I’ve run, I’m an electrician by trade, um, come outta my time and went straight into business.

Wayne (02:40):
Um, my own business in partnership. Um, I went through that, that went south, um, with a particular guy cause we had a, a different value set. Um, and then I started my own business from then. So I’ve always had my own businesses. Um, I grew that, that electrical business. Um, and as that journey went on, um, through having our, our, our beautiful girls, um, it, it sort of leads just leads you to a point where I started asking questions and I was like, is this what I really wanna be doing? Um, and it wasn’t from a conscious, a real conscious point of view. I just asked myself, is it what I really want to be doing? It was at the precipice of actually going to something quite big and I had to make a decision. Do I want to really, um, drop a lot of energy into this or do I want to go into something that, that, that really resonates with me.

Wayne (03:33):
So at that point I was working with one of my mates. Um, well, it was late. It was just before Christmas. We weren’t with our families. We were out on a job site, um, late at night and, and yeah, we just said we’ve had enough, let’s have a chat when we come back from Christmas and, and see what happened. So we, we stepped into a building company at that time. It wasn’t going to be a building company. It was going to be development, but it just evolved. Um, and it become a, an eco building company. So that’s just sort of a bit of background. Um, then when you step into a, a whole new thing, that’s not what you do. Um, there’s a whole level of having to build that business, um, and a lot of hours and a lot of work and a lot of stress and everything else that goes with it.

Wayne (04:17):
Um, so fast forward probably about six, seven years. Um, the business was going well. Um, I was highly stressed. Um, there was a lot of pressure on, on home with just the amount of hours and everything that you have to put in. And it just happened. I went on a surf trip with that, that mate that I’m in business with, but a whole heap of other mates that, um, I’ve grown up with. And we were in Fiji, out in the islands, um, for, for nine days, I think it was in a bunk room, Sharon bunks, like, like kids again at school camp, um, which was look, it was a really good, I really love the Fiji islands. I’ve got a real connection there. I’m not sure what it is, but the energy, um, soon as I get off the mainland and head out to the islands where the surf is, it’s, um, it’s just next level.

Wayne (05:04):
And it’s a, a connection that I’ll, I’ll dig deeper into as a, as I go through this work. But yeah, I was out there. Um, we had the week, you really get to get in touch with everything. There’s no phones, there’s, you know, like you’re just, you’re just there. So you’re present. Um, last day, just before we were leaving, I took off on a wave. Um, the, the leg rope wrapped around my leg, nothing major. It was just, it always happens and it pulled right down on my calf. Um, I thought nothing of it got on, went and packed. The bags went and sat on the, the jetty waiting for our, our boat driver, Jonah to come and pick us up and take us out back to the mainland and to the airport. And, um, I looked down and I had this bulging lump between my shin bone and my calf.

Wayne (05:52):
And, uh, and this, this whole story is when I think back now that I’ve done the work, now, it makes sense to me. So I’m, I’m saying this as if I, I, this, I knew what was going on at the time, but I didn’t, I had no idea. So I sort of looked at it. How long ago was this Wayne? 2018, June, 2018, so, okay. Geez. It almost beat to the day, um, that we were over there actually. Hmm. It’d be interesting to check that cause it’s probably to the day today. Um, but anyway, it’s, uh, fuck. Yeah. So when I look down at it, I’m, I’m thinking what’s this lump, you know, is as the leg rope, somehow bust the blood vessel in there. I’m about to get on a plane. What do I do here? You know, I don’t wanna go into Fiji and muck around and was sort of just sitting there and you’re in the present.

Wayne (06:43):
And at that point I just went well, it is what it is. And I got on the boat and as to, to go home. But what I understand now I actually did in that moment was complete surrender. So as we start going, and as we’ve been through the work with you guy, you start realizing that that complete surrender opens up doors that you just don’t know existed. So, and, and I still remember the boat journey. It’s it’s so crystal clear, you know, like it was beautiful, a flat, flat water with your mates. It was so good. A bee in the middle of the ocean, a bee landed on me and stung me on the chest. Um, that in itself has some sort of significance to me, um, that poor bee had to die, but who knows what that sting was and, and what would, what it was all about, but it has some significance.

Wayne (07:36):
And then I got to the airport and I just Googled spiritual books, random, like, no, I’d never Googled it before and never had any sort of inkling to do that. And a book come up and it was Michael singer, um, the surrender experiment and, um, on Booktopia and I ordered it at the Fiji airport. So, and I come back, didn’t really think much of it. I, I felt a bit odd of the experience. I’m like, well, what is this? And then that book turned up and went, as soon as I picked that book up, the journey began, you know, so, and that’s, I spoken to you guy when I put that the secrets of Aboriginal healing across to you and, um, you know, it’s, I spoke to you about the book. You don’t choose the book, the book chooses you. I’m a big believer in that. And if I pick a book up that I’ve chosen, I generally find it hard to read, but when the book chooses you, it’s at the right time in your journey to actually give you the information that you need and, and can work through. So I read that book and then that just like, as I started reading that in his journey, when he started talking about the way, the way he meditated and what it was doing for him, I, I just started doing it, no music, nothing just sitting on the back deck and, and

Guy (09:00):
Wow.

Wayne (09:00):
So, um, so, um, and just sat there, you know, and, and looked to be honest with you, those, those once, once it started working and his book sort of gave me the recipe, cuz he just sat there until something happened, you know? So I did the same and um, something definitely did happen, you know? So I started having the journey inside myself and it was what you start coming up with. You, you don’t even know it’s there, you know? So, um, and yeah, I just opened up a yeah. <laugh>

Guy (09:44):
Yeah. It’s incredible mate, because I, the it’s, it’s almost like, like, as I’ve gotten to know you, you know, you seem to, you’ve got this presence about you, that you take everything in your stride, right. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and um, you know, you’d always, um, yeah, like you embody every, you embody it, which is what it’s all about. Right. You know, we can intellectualize it, we can talk about it all day, but unless we live it, what’s the point. Mm. And you, to me, what, what you just said is like a perfect, um, transition of taking it in your stride to go, oh, right. Well maybe I should just go and do this where I see other, especially men kicking and screaming, even coming, even close near to this work is like a, like a, almost like a hot plate or something. And the closer they get to it, the more they think they’re gonna get scolded from it never to return. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Where like, but only, only if you’re new, it’s like the world’s greatest gift secret and nobody knows about which I find intriguing. So I’m, I’m interested to know what happened from there because it’s almost like you, you continued to surrender mm.

Guy (11:00):
Into this work. Would that be fair to say? Yeah,

Wayne (11:03):
It was, um, once I had to sit with myself and, and really go deep, it opens up things that, that, you know, you, I suppose at that point I had the choice to actually step through the door or just push it back down. And that’s, as you just spoke about, then that’s what a lot of men do and women like it’s, it’s everyone, it’s they go back to the comfort and it’s easier just to push it down and, and ignore it. Um, instead of it feeling the target and go, okay, what is that? You know, so, and I was at a point and, and it took, I think it was, oh, probably close to three years before I actually came to your retreat. You know, like I was coming, I was coming, but it, it just didn’t work and I just didn’t get there, but I kept doing the work.

Wayne (11:49):
So I’d get up every morning and I’d do my meditation. I, I was reading books, Deepak Chopra, Joe dispenser, David. G’s a good one that I read, you know, just all different books that sort of went with that. Um, but, um, yeah, it’s, it’s doing the work it’s, it’s actually sitting down and, and when that something comes up and it will come up instead of pushing it back down or, or saying, I dunno what that is. It’s, you’ve gotta let it come through and you’ve gotta feel it with every part of your body and your spirit, you know, and your mind oh, sorry. And your soul. Yeah. So,

Guy (12:28):
Absolutely. How did you end up at my workshop? One day I run in Burley because that, I, I believe that was before it was before I was working with Matt and Patro. I

Wayne (12:38):
Can’t remember. It was, I think it might have only been your, it was before, it might have been only your second one as when you had letter in. Um, and that that’s the same synchronicities. And, and once that, that door was open, um, my neighbor, I was, I was reading the book and my neighbor just said, oh, you know, and, and he’s, he’s never meditated before, I think before he actually came to your workshop and he had a massive experience. Um, yeah. And you know, it’s, I’m talking to him, he goes, this, you should have seen what this was. And at that point I’d started, I’d probably done enough meditation that I was starting to go right now. I need a community. I need to share this. I need to feel like the people around me are also doing it because it gets lonely when you’re doing it on your own.

Wayne (13:24):
Yeah. Um, so that’s what, and when he said you had that, I went, okay, well, let’s go. And I, I think I, um, my, my whole family came to that one, my, my two older girls, Hannah, and me and, and my beautiful wife’s mom. Um, and we all came to that one. And, and then I, I signed up for the letter in academy at that point, which was the one you were running online and did your four week challenge and yeah. And just the meditations that you guys were doing while I was still doing my stuff, I was just dropping into those. So I could actually feel the group connection and the group, group energy, like the, the, the, the group energy’s insane. Isn’t it? That, that heart coherence, when you get, when you get to that point, it’s, it’s a totally different feeling, but yeah. So that’s, that’s where, how I ended up there. Absolutely. And then obviously it just evolved into when you started living flow, so, yeah.

Guy (14:20):
Yeah. How do you describe your journey? If do, do you get people like, cuz obviously, you know, you have your own ecosystem, you have your family, you have all your staff, your, your, I mean, how many staff do you have going,

Wayne (14:34):
Uh, across the two companies? 28 I think yeah. Around that.

Guy (14:39):
Right. You know, that, that, wow. That’s a lot of influence and you know, and you’re in there. Do, do people in your circles start coming to you and say, are you doing anything different? What’s the stuff you’re doing? Or, um, do they just leave you alone? Or like, how does, and if they ask what it is you you’re doing or how would you Des how would you describe it to someone else?

Wayne (15:03):
Um, I don’t always find it easy to articulate it. That’s the thing like that’s, it’s, you know, there’s so many layers that this you go through with this work that, um, it’s not always easy, but I do find that certain people are drawn to you. They, you, and again, it comes back to that listening and you can feel it, you can feel it when they want to have a conversation. Um, and you can open that door and that the whole thing about holding space, um, they may not want to talk about it right there. And then, but if you hold the space for them and just let them, let them be, um, if they want to bring it up, they’ll bring it up. If, if they don’t then yeah. That’s, you’ve been able to hold space there for ’em for that period of time. But, um, through, through, yeah, some of the team have, I’ve had some good conversations with, um, we we’ve got Thursday mornings.

Wayne (15:56):
There’s a couple of the team that I do meditation with before we start work. Um, but yeah, it’s, uh, I think you definitely do see it. Um, after we, I came and did the retreat last year, I felt like the universe was imploding. Um, when I came back, so we, we lost two staff in one day, another staff member. So, so many staff members left and not, not for major reasons or anything, but it was, it was almost like there was a, to a different frequency. Um, and, and they, they were moving into their space and, and, and opening was being created for new, uh, new frequency and a new, um, energy to come into the business. And, um, yeah, and, and it did, and, and that’s just the business side of things. So when, when you bring it back into your home and your relationships, um, back home, it’s, it’s changed immensely. So, um, yeah, my, my relationship and my marriage has probably never been better, you know, than the last six months.

Guy (17:01):
Yeah. Amazing, amazing. They, they, they say like, there’s a, there’s a natural universal law that for anything to, like, there needs to be a collapse, a collapse of the old, for the, for, for the new order to arise. And without that collapse first, um, we, we never, we never evolve. I know Tom Thomas Campbell calls it a lower, it was a NASA physicist calls it a lowering of entropy creating order from disorder. So as this chaos and disorder, we’re actually working towards creating more orderly, which obviously contributes to the, the, the larger hole. Yeah. But, um, it can feel pretty bumpy.

Wayne (17:44):
Oh, it it’s when, when you’re in the thick of it a hundred percent. And, and obviously there’s a fair bit of support with you guys, but it’s that trust and surrender again, it’s that opportunity at that point that you’ve, you’ve either gotta step into it and embrace it trust and surrender to whatever’s gonna happen, um, and not be attached to an outcome. Um, which is that’s, that’s probably the biggest, one of the biggest lessons I’ve learned for you to be able to, you know, allow, allow it to happen, allow the universe to do what it needs to do to actually align your soul, basically, because it’s, if you resist it and I’m starting to see now, as I’m going deeper and deeper now, and I spoke, spoken into that with you, um, a few weeks ago is now when I resist it, I actually feel a bit physically ill, you know, I can feel it coming up and I’m like, oh, hang on.

Wayne (18:38):
You’re, you’re resisting that thing. Don’t, you know, like, can, I’ve just gotta tap into it and actually go with it, whether I feel comfortable or not. And, um, my wife, my wife actually just signed up to a course. I’ll try and remember what it was she said, but, um, the, the facilitator said, if you’re looking at the work and there’s something that you’re passionate about, that’s drawing you in, then do it. If there’s something that you really don’t wanna do, for whatever reason you need to do it. And if there’s something that’s not really that’s in between there, just put it aside. And if you come to it, you come to it. So it just comes back to that comfort band. Yeah. So it’s, and it’s extremely important to follow the passion, but when there’s those uncomfortable things, you’ve really gotta strap on the boots and, and sort of step in and, and surrender, let the, let the universe do what it needs to do to, to bring you out the other side.

Guy (19:35):
Absolutely. It it’s, it’s like, um, the, the it’s so common because we’re so externally focused, you know, we don’t turn our senses inward and remove the, the external input. We, we we’ve become very disconnected and disconnected from our bodies, especially, and, and the signals and the sensory experiences that are actually screaming at you half the time. But we’re, <laugh>, we’re just so far removed from it that we don’t hear it. And we haven’t developed a relationship with it. We don’t trust it. Um, and we don’t listen and, you know, we get ourselves into all sorts of problems and, and I, and I, and I’m sure you agree, I’m a firm believer now that the, the, everything is conspiring to actually support you for your growth. But if you’re not listening, it’s gonna smack you around eventually until you, until you, even if you’re on your knee to go, okay, now I get it, you know, and then you have true context.

Wayne (20:34):
Yeah. And that’s look I’m. Yeah. I’m probably blessed in that. Whoever was watching over me in that, in that short moment in Fiji actually put me on that direction, you know? Um, but it’s not always the way a lot of people have to have that major event to actually bring them into this into line and, and start looking at this sort of work. Um, but yeah, I was, I was very fortunate in that, that aspect that I didn’t have to go there. So, but you, you just touched on something before though. Yeah, absolutely. About, and, and I think that’s, it’s something to be said is you you’ve gotta feel it. Um, when it’s coming up, like I’ve had it where I’ve been driving to work. It’s, I’m about half an hour drive down to north of new south Wales from, uh, the gold coast where I live and I’ve had emotion come up and I’m like, well, it’s this, you know, like it’s, it’s coming up.

Wayne (21:25):
And I’m like, what is it? And then, and the old me probably would’ve just pushed that away and just gone, oh, dude, chill out. What is that? Just forget about it, shake it off and keep going. But now I go like, okay, let’s feel this for what it is. And I’ve had a couple of episodes where I’m driving and I’ve had to actually pull over because the emotion got so much and I’m, I’m started crying and I’m breathing heavy and I’m just going, but I’m like, let it, let it be, let it do what it’s gotta do. Um, I find my space down at MN, um, flat rock down there where the rocks meet the sea. And it’s the, you know, it’s the lava from a London, from Mount warning. It’s such a powerful thing. And, and when I go through that, for me, I can pull over there. I can, I’ve generally got bare feet on my way to the office, but I, I walk out there and stand on those rocks and, and sit and breathe and actually feel it for what it is. Um, but it’s so important that when those things are coming up, that you, you, you let them through and you don’t need to understand what it is, but you’ve gotta feel it in every part of your being. So, yeah.

Guy (22:32):
Yeah. Don’t run, run. I’m curious when, um, on your journey, picking up your journey, then what led you to come to the retreat? Cause I remember you had quite a few profound moments during, during those three days

Wayne (22:50):
As well. Yeah. Yeah.

Guy (22:52):
And so maybe start with those two questions first. Okay.

Wayne (22:56):
For again. So how did I end up at the retreat? Um, as I said, you guys started, you guys started advertising them and it just never aligned the first few. I’m like, oh, there’s no way I’m not going to that. I’m not ready for it. Um, and then you kept advertising them. And then it got to a point where I was like, I need it. And that same thing, it just came through. It was like, I need that. And I booked it and, and I’ve got an understanding wife in Simone and she said, yes, that’s what you need. Go do it. Um, but I suppose the biggest thing again, was the drive out to that it’s such powerful place at the base of, well, London there where you run the retreats at, um, Gaia. But, and I know how, um, energetically powerful Northern new south Wales is as a whole, in that, that little cauldron.

Wayne (23:46):
Um, as I was driving out there, it was just, I could just start, it felt it all starting to, you know, build up and this is going to be a big few days. And yeah, I, I knew once I got there drive down the driveway, I was like, okay, complete surrender. This is it. So, um, and you know, your initial work that you do just to try and get an understanding and an intention, um, it just came through to me that, uh, I thought it was, I am enough, but as I went through, it was like, I’ve, I’ve had enough, I’ve had enough of feeling like this and the, the, whatever it is that’s in me. And, and I’m feeling this tug and this is even after the work I’ve, I’ve just had enough. So I knew at that point that whatever was going to transpire over that three days was going to be interesting for, for me and, and a massive gross phase. So, yeah. And then what was the second question? Sorry that

Guy (24:47):
You, well, I, you had some, quite some, I remember there were key moments. Uh, I think I, I remember you coming out of my meditation, I can’t remember on one of the days or something just, and you were like a rabbit in the headlights mate in a, in a positive way. Yeah. Yeah. And I think you’ve a, quite a

Wayne (25:03):
Shock. Oh, mate. There was

Guy (25:05):
Experienceing do you mind just touching on them a little

Wayne (25:08):
Bit? Yeah. It’s some of it’s a blur. I keep a journal obviously, and, and it’s really good to be able to go back into that journal and have a look at it for, for what it was and, and how it actually transpired. Um, but as you guys take you through, like you, you lead into it, it’s all, it’s all so organic. So each time we were stepping into a new practice or, or process, it was just like, oh, that’s exactly what I needed now. You know? And, and when I went into it, I, I was, I had this thing that, um, any, any sort of energy that came into me or anyone’s pain that I, I could feel, I just held it, you know, and then someone would walk, walk in or someone would talk and I’d, I’d start crying at the thing. I’m going, whoa, what is this?

Wayne (25:55):
You know, like, um, but yeah, so <laugh> then when you, when you start going through the processes, it, it, it’s just like, okay, that, that just opened a, that just peeled a layer back, you know? And, and then you go into the next one. Oh, that just peeled another layer back. Um, and I had a, a good roommate in rusty and we could really bounce things off each other. Um, so it was, you know, what was going on for me, I could actually really talk into it with him. He’s quite a, um, an Matic guy. So he understood everything I was sort of saying and sort of was able to go, yeah. Okay. That’s, that’s awesome. So, and again, that, you know, the universe put him in my room, he was the guy that I needed for that, for that, um, journey. But I suppose the, probably the biggest one was, uh, I, it was in January, so I’d done Matt’s full moon, um, new year soul vibe just before we came, first time I’d ever done one, um, with the music and with the breathing.

Wayne (26:56):
And, um, I was like, whoa, it was like, mate, it was, yeah. I’d, it’s hard to explain. It’s, I’ve done some partying in my days. And, and it was like going back to the party days, to be honest with you, <laugh> the whole body, the whole body vibe that I got. I’m like, oh, how good’s this? And then we’re at the retreat and without giving too much away, but that’s, we’re going into this. We know that we’re about to go and do this process. And, um, so I’ve got this idea going, oh, I can’t wait for this. These, this feels awesome in the body. You know, so I’m sitting there ex with this expectation and we, we did a little prep and sort of coming to heart coherence before it. And, um, Annie, um, the beautiful soul that she eats.

Wayne (27:44):
And that was the life that was the big change for me is as we’re about to go in and lie down, she walked past and she said, you need to let go. You need to surrender through this. And, and for whatever reason, she was just walking past. And she said that, and it was so profound at the time. And I get emotional about it now, because had she not said that it would’ve been a totally different journey. So went into it, no expectations, but then as things started to come up, it was like, just surrender and let it go. And, and what I, what I went through and you guys talk about, you opened the door, but it’s up to you to actually step through that door. Um, that door opened for me and knowing that same thing that you guys said, and then what any had said to me on the way past I stepped in.

Wayne (28:37):
And when I did step in for my heart, my, I can’t even explain it. Um, in my meditations, I quite often try and go into my heart and it, and it felt black, you know, like that’s, that’s what it was. And I didn’t understand what it was. I do. I do have a fair perception of what it was now. Um, but so I felt black, but in that moment, when I stepped through my heart, just cracked open and just light and love. And, and it was just like, wow, this is, this is in me, you know? And it was in that moment that I was able to go, this, this is actually in me, you know, like, and, and not mate, I had, I had loved ones as the past. And I had a bit of a thing with my Nan when she passed that I didn’t actually, um, contact her on a birthday in Christmas that year for the only time I ever had.

Wayne (29:28):
And, and she passed and that sort of guilt and that shame sort of was sitting with me. Wow. And the beautiful soul that she is, I had her and she come through and, and she hugged me. Right. And she hugged me the same way. I felt that hug when she was here and she was there. Like, I, I can’t explain anything. She was there and it was, this is it, your heart’s open. I’m, I’m out now. Like, I love you. And I’m always with you, but your heart’s open and you need to, you need to go out and keep it open and, and follow this through. So that was the biggest part, a bit that really cracked me open, you know, and I got up out of that and I had no idea where I was, I had no bearings. I had, it was just, and that’s probably the moment you’re talking about the rabbit in the headlights, but I, I got walked outside the ground myself.

Wayne (30:25):
I understand grounding a lot more now. I, I, I do it every morning, um, every afternoon, but mm-hmm, <affirmative> had to ground myself. And even then it was half an hour before I come down to lunch, I was, I was like, what the hell was that? You know, like, no, not even trying to understand it, but I felt every bit of it, you know? And that’s, and for me, mate, that’s, it was a life changing moment for making, just making that choice to actually step in. And, um, yeah. So I sat there at the dinner at the lunch table with you, and you’re like, I know where you’ve been, mate. You don’t need to speak. And I’m like, I just looked at you. I can’t, you know, so then the, then the heart’s open. So once that heart was open and we, I think that’s only on is that day two.

Wayne (31:18):
I can’t remember guy, but we had a lot of work to do even after that. Yeah. So the next day we did a, a regression meditation with Petra, you know, um, which took us back and she takes us through those, those different processes. Hope I’m not given too much away here, mate. But, um, and through that, I went to, I went, no, that’s fine because yeah, I, it was, you know, I’ve had a blessed upbringing, um, loving parents, mate, all the opportunities that I’ve had, like, like through my life, it’s, it’s been fantastic, but you just don’t realize that there’s emotional things that are in the background that get transferred to you, whether you like it or not, and you don’t know they’re there. So when you go through those regression things and you’re actually, you are there things come up that you’re like, holy shit.

Wayne (32:12):
You know, like, whoa, now I understand why I feel that way when this happens. And now I understand why I feel that way when this happens. And, and I won’t go into the detail of that, but it’s enough to actually go, wow, there’s, there’s so much, that’s been transferred to me, whether it’s in, in this life, I believe now whether it’s in this life or a past life, it gets passed down through the generations and it’s in you. And unless you can sit in this quiet in this void, in this space and actually feel it, mate, you just don’t, you just don’t get to, um, experience life to the full extent. So, but after that, after I did that one with Petra, I got up again on, where am I what’s going on? And this, I had this ball of energy and anxiety in my gut.

Wayne (33:00):
And I’m, I’m like, oh, what is this? And everyone sort of broke. And they, they went down to lunch. I’m like, I can’t, I can’t be around anyone and went up and sat up in the Bush and just sat there. And I had a bit of a tug of wall with what it was. And I’m like, no more you’re you are the, you are the problem here. So we’re gonna deal with this right now. Me and you and I just breathed and I could feel it coming, oh, oh, like it was coming up. It just kept coming up. And I’m like, I’m not going anywhere. We’re gonna do this. And I’m tears coming out mate. And I’m like, and I just sat there and kept breathing through it until it come up. And I let out a prime, mortal roar that went through that valley and just collapsed.

Wayne (33:45):
Like it was like someone just grabbed that thing. That’s in, you that’s tugging at you. And that it just come out and it was gone. And then from there now my heart’s open. My whole being’s lighter. Um, my life’s different. Um, I can look at relationships differently. I can look at everything just from a very different place, you know? And, and I discovered through one of the processes that it just came to me. I can feel, I feel everyone’s emotion around me. If they walk in a room, I can feel it, you know, I can, and my family or anyone, I can just feel it, but I never knew how to, I feel it, but I never knew how to let it go. So in one of the me meditations, it actually come to me and it was like, it’s not your pain to hold.

Wayne (34:35):
So, and that was, that was early in the piece. It’s not your pain to hold. And that just kept reiterating. And then when it actually started coming up after Petris thing, it was like, it’s not mine to hold. And I got rid of all of it at once and now I can actually feel and know how to let it pass through me, you know? So I don’t have to hold it anymore. It’s a, it’s a, yeah. A beautiful space to be able to hold the space, to feel it. And in every essence and every part of you, but then to allow it to flow through you and out, you know, if it’s not yours. So yeah. So they were a couple of the profound moments.

Guy (35:13):
<laugh>

Wayne (35:14):
Yeah.

Guy (35:15):
Incredibly mate.

Guy (35:20):
Well, firstly, uh, thank you for sharing. I thought you, you articulated that amazing mate. You had me on the edge of my seat, listening to that then. Um, I wanna, I just wanna highlight a couple of points for everyone listening because, um, it takes a huge amount of courage. First of all, to surrender into that, to, to really know what it means to, to be 100% all in not 90%. Yeah. I might give it a go like, you know, heart and soul, I’m going for this. I’m all in. I’m just gonna fucking let go lay back and trust. You know, my, my first experience true, true experience was that was on my, on my IO Wasco journey back in 2013. And I actually thought I was gonna physically die before I drank it. My body was convulsing. Wow. I was that scared. And, and then when you drink there, there’s, there’s no going back.

Guy (36:14):
So I remember going, I’m in, I’m in. Alright. And then, and actually knowing in every, every cell in your body is in, yeah, you’re doing this, you know what I mean? And, and then it’s it’s and it’s from that, I believe what, what, what comes from that is an intent and an acknowledgement to something far greater than us. And, and then there’s a, a, a respect that’s relationship that’s built. And then, then you’re ready to, to, to embody the wisdom that wants to come through and move, whatever needs to move by that intent behind it. It’s so powerful. And there’s not many times in life. We get those opportunities, I think, and all this work, all the daily practices, the silence, the quieting, the question in the, the feeding, the mind, the feeding, the body, feeding the soul. It leads us to these significant moments in time.

Guy (37:12):
And if we’re willing to then surrender and fully trust, we then fully understand it. And once we fully understand it, we can then take that wisdom and really start to, uh, live from that place. Like you said, you, you start clearing the lens at which you’ve, um, which you’ve been looking upon. And then you, you really start to see things differently and you understand the body more because it holds so much information. And the last thing I wanna touch on was what you said about your Nan and that feeling. Because the way I look at it is like we are, uh, if the, the universe is like an ocean, we’re a drop of that. Ocean has been like stuck in a jam jar or something, but we’re still part of the ocean, but we’re having our individual experience looking out through the jam jar instead.

Guy (38:02):
And this work allows us to merge back with the ocean for a moment to, to, to experience what we actually truly are anyway, that’s ever present with us, you know? And when you start to heal at that depth, it allows us then to say, go and live your life. You’ve got this life experience, you’ve got your jam jar, your vehicle to have your, your know, your, your physical aspect go and live it, you know, and, and allow yourself to, to, to do that and free yourself from yeah. From those that energy that’s, that’s in our body, that information, we see it so many, many

Wayne (38:38):
Times you see it, but it come, comes back guy to the amazing, the number one thing in the, the, um, secrets of Aboriginal healing, willingness. Yeah. So that willingness is the thing. And it’s deep, willingness, not just, yeah, I’m willing, you know, so, but it’s, yeah, it made it it’s, it’s not just, it wasn’t just NA you know, like it’s a, it’s, it’s a connection. And you talked about it before, but you just, of course, I, to be honest, and I’ve sat in meditations where, and this isn’t, this isn’t oh, yeah. I’m fixed now. And this is all good. This is layers. Yeah. So I still come up against stuff all the time. And after leaving the retreat, I come up with some against some of the biggest stuff that I had to, but I still do now. It’s like a never, never any God stopper of Willie won or something, mate, you just think you get, and you get to the next flavor.

Wayne (39:33):
What’s the next flavor, you know? So it’s, um, you just keep peeling those layers off, but when it all comes down to it, it’s that connection where you actually go, I’m not a particle anymore on the whole. And it’s like, and that’s what it feels like. It’s like, you’ve stepped, it’s, mm-hmm, <affirmative>, I’m not just a particle. I’m not just a piece of the puzzle. I am the whole. And when you can feel that and you feel it with every part of your soul and every part of your being, I think the connectedness and everything that goes around it is that’s what life’s meant to be. And when we can step in and feel all of that, um, life’s a very different thing, you know? Um, yeah. Yeah,

Guy (40:23):
Totally. I gotta, I gotta ask you, I’d be interested in your perspective cuz um, the reason why I was keen, I found, I found myself interviewing a lot of women on the podcast more recently and um, and you know, I was keen to, to get you on as well. Cause I, I wanted a male perspective and I kind of forget because I kind of, this is my world. I, I go out and I, I teach it I’m, I’m running workshops and I, I kind of, I’m chatting to Matt, you know, every bloody day bloke, the bloke and we, we have a proper blokes chat and a laugh, but we’re always talking about quantum or the work and diving in. And my world is like skewed.

Wayne (41:03):
Yeah.

Guy (41:04):
In some respects because I’m so passionate about this stuff. Right. And it’s my reality, which is, which is totally fine. But then we get to Jalong. Uh, last Saturday it was almost, it was pretty much a sold out day Jalong and Melbourne the next day. So we got in front of, I think 140 people in total cry, incredible. But two men turned up on the Saturday and I think they were brought by their partners. And, and I was like, is this because of our Facebook algorithm or something? Are we, are we like just targeting females when we put the Facebook ads out there or, or, or, or, or do us blokes just generally run a mile from this stuff and just think it’s a load of hippie to be shit. I, I wasn’t sure, you know, um, for any male that’s listening to this or even if they’re listening because their wife has told them to <laugh>, it might be, um, a possibility right now, but what would, what would you speak to that? Because you, you know, as far as I’m concerned, you it’s crucial for men to, to embody this aspect of ourselves. And, and I think it’s where the greatest courage lies and by incorporating our heart and our emotions and stepping into our, our, our power from that aspect, as well as the, the physical aspect. I mean, what would you say to, in my, to any management,

Wayne (42:29):
You’re sure. Changing yourself. If you don’t do it, you’re short, changing yourself. You, you’re not living to the, the full extent that you can be, you know, and, and it’s, it’s not just for yourself, but it’s for everyone around you, um, family, friends, the community, the world, the whatever you wanna put it it’s, you really need to be able to embrace it. Um, because it just changes the, the perspective or the, you know, that everyone has, you know, you, you just look at things differently. Um, it’s, it’s easy to say, but it’s you just, yeah. I, I don’t know. It’s, it’s such a big thing. Um, but unless you want to, and you want to step into it, you just can’t, you can’t force anyone. And I’ve learned that, you know, I’m quite passionate about it, but there’s only certain people I can have the conversation with, you know, it’s, uh, that’s how it is.

Wayne (43:28):
Uh, but yeah, coming on here, guy, you know, like this was such a big challenge for me. You asked me to do this what, 18 months ago, after the retreat and that I just couldn’t do it, but this, this time I, you know, when you asked me, I, I was like, oh, I don’t think I can do it. But then I same, as I said before, I start feeling physically ill. And it’s like, yep, it’s a yes, then. So surrender time. Yeah. But it just opened so many different things that you don’t get to experience. So it’s like living, it’s like say you Lifewise compartmentalized, you’re living in this quarter only, but there’s another three quarters that you can be in, you know? So why not, why not live the hole instead of just the quarter that you are at the moment? Why not just open that door and just see what it is, you know, see if there is something there, you know, um, and be vulnerable, you know, because it just, it just changes how, how people live around you. Um, so yeah, the more of it we could have made the better this world will be that’s for sure.

Guy (44:38):
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Well, I, I know as us, as living flow over here, I, I certainly doing our best to, to continue to get this work out in front of more people and that, that are ready to step into it.

Wayne (44:52):
And yeah. And look, go look, you know, I thank you. And it’s so important. I’ve obviously continued working with you guys since, since the retreat, um, the 12 week program, um, I’ve been through once in full and then just as a joining in with the other people that are coming through it. And it’s such a, an awesome community to be able to be amongst it and, and to work, work in and share space or, or hold space with those people that are coming through. Um, and you can share from the deepest level, you know, and it’s so important to share. It’s something that I’m, I’m passionate about, and that’s why I’m here because the more we can share our experiences, it just, it may just tap into someone, you know, that, that, that that’s going, I don’t really want to talk about this, but now that that person has, maybe I can, you know, and that’s, that’s what it’s all about.

Guy (45:46):
Okay.

Guy (45:49):
Yeah. No, thank you. Well, just on that, before I wrap this up, what do you think, what attracted you to doing the 12 weeks? Because obviously the retreat is a different experience to the 12 week program. Cause we, we are connecting on a zoom call every week and, and we’re going through a weekly process as opposed to, uh, an intense three or five points,

Wayne (46:10):
Probably the structure of the,

Guy (46:13):
What did you find

Wayne (46:13):
With the it’s the structure benefits, the flower or flow that you guys have that we follow, um, all the key areas as we work through that. And we work in that for a week at a time, um, that structure allows you to actually delve directly into one thing that you, you know, you got the intention, um, and it’s the community, you know, like it’s actually being able to be there each week and go, look, this has been coming up for me is it’s not about being normal, I suppose, but it’s about sharing it and going the next person goes, well, that’s what I’m feeling as well. Um, when you do it on your own, and I did the first stint of meditation on my own, and it was great and I needed it. That was, that was my journey. Um, but it’s that connection and that community is such a powerful tool. Um, yeah. And, and to go through it with a bunch of people that are at the same place, you are with a different thing going on for them. It’s so good. Yeah. And that was all these different things going on, but everything touches into what everyone else is going through. So yeah. It was just felt right. Yeah.

Guy (47:23):
Yeah.

Guy (47:24):
Mm.

Guy (47:27):
Yeah, no amazing. No, it’s been amazing. Have you in them, mate, honestly, you know, um, one, if somebody’s still listening to this on this podcast, that means they they’re definitely either can, can relate to it or experience it or, or are ready to step into this work. Are there any last words of wisdom you would wanna share to those people that are flirting with this idea? They might be terrified. They might be nervous. They might be genuinely excited. I don’t. I dunno, but what would you say?

Wayne (48:00):
Yeah. We only get to do this once. Yeah. So we’re here living this life. Why not? You know, like it’s why not? What have you got to lose? Um, there could be things going on inside of you that you just don’t understand are there that, that you, you’re not aware they’re there, um, to step into something like this and, and just give it a crack. Why not? You, you’re only here for a short period. It could be gone tomorrow. Um, it could be, it can be a difficult journey at times, but I can tell you out the other side, it’s a totally different thing. You know, it’s a, it’s a beautiful place to be living from. So what do you got to lose by doing it? You’re better off jumping in and, and have the opportunity to live a much better life than you do right now.

Wayne (48:51):
And look, I, I had a G I have a great life, you know, it was just, for me, it was just something that turned up and, you know, ha I had a great life now it’s even like, it’s next level. So it’s, you know, and you just work through these things and, and you do get to a better space for it. So why not? You know, what’s the, what’s the reason why not. I’ll tell you what actually I’ll tell you what most people, the listening’s reason will be a guy and they may not know it yet is it’s the scariest thing you’ll ever do is to look inside yourself because it’s the one place that we all have the ability to hide from. So to be able to look inside yourself and, and work through things that might be in you, it’s, it takes you to a whole nother space that you, you just, you can’t explain it, you know, but it is scary for some people, but you will be better for it. So why not go have a go?

Guy (50:00):
Mm Hmm. Exactly. Thank you. It’s where the grace greatest riches lie.

Wayne (50:07):
I believe hundred percent

Guy (50:08):
Period. Um, Wayne, I just, I just wanna, thank you, mate. Um, thank you for coming on the podcast. Thank you for saying yes. Uh, thank you for all that you do. And, uh, um, it’s, it’s greatly appreciated and I guarantee thousands of people will listen to this over the next few months and it’ll have impact and, and support somebody else on their journey as well. So I’m excited to see, um, where the next chapter of your life goes as well. So I’ll be certainly keeping the popcorn going handy and watching from the farm mate.

Wayne (50:42):
Yeah. I’ll certainly be digging deeper to this guy. It’s um, yeah. Being, being able to stand, I thought it was just two mates having a chat. I didn’t realize it was going out mate.

Guy (50:52):
<laugh>

Wayne (50:54):
No, but it is in, in, in all, all honesty. This is a big part of my journey to actually be able to sit here and speak to you guy. Um, you know, I’m a normal guy, so it’s, it’s, it’s done amazing things for me. And to be able to share that and, and, you know, anyone who feels normal go and feel even, even better, you know, that’s it. So thank you for allowing me the space to actually come and have a chat and, and share, um, from the deepest level. Um, as I say, this is just a couple of layers. We can’t fit much in, in this, this amount of time. Um, but you can have these conversations and, and if I can share this with more people, as I move forward into my life and all the different layers that I’ve been able to peel off, if that helps them just peel one more layer off, then I hope it does. I really do. Mm

Guy (51:51):
I have no doubt.

Wayne (51:53):
Thank you Guy.

Guy (51:54):
Thanks, legend. Appreciate much appreciated.

Wayne (51:57):
Thanks mate.