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Matt:
She opened a portal that showed all these shapes that were beyond three dimensions, colors beyond what I could see with my eyes, like sounds that I have never been able to reproduce. And it was so profound, so amazing. And there was a, an inner peace that was had at that moment, knowing that she was not actually gone.

She was just in a different frequency or different reality. And I said, mom, are you in heaven? She’s like, I’m in the afterlife. And I didn’t understand any of this. But I knew she was there.

Guy:
Mr. Matt Omo, welcome to the podcast.

Matt:
Thank you, sir. Pleasure to be here.

Guy:
Nice, Nice. My intention for today is that, well, there’s two things. One, you haven’t been on for a while. And since then, my YouTube channel has been growing considerably. And I really wanted to

Matt:
Are you saying that’s because I haven’t been on? Is there a correlation there?

Guy:
Exactly. Yeah. What have I done quick? Oh, no, I hit the stop. No, but, but secondly, is that wanted to you I get to work with you all the time, mate. And, and I really get know I a like I know you like brother in some respects and been through, your passion with work and the the very that do intuitively with is phenomenal and the impact that you have in people.

So my intention to really bring light to your journey and to the work that you do for there familiar with your out So with that in said why change the format of a podcast? And if you were at an intimate dinner party and somebody said what you do for a living, how would you respond?

Matt:
Yeah, but it’s interesting. I do, you know, having worked with you all the time. It’s like it’s not an issue to have a conversation like this, but being on the camera and like framing this around, you know, deepening the the exposure of journey and what’s there’s a. It made me pretty nervous to be honest, uh.

Guy:
That’s a good place to be. Uh,

Matt:
it’s This is exciting. I’m looking forward to see what comes out of my mouth. So, if I was at a dinner party, it’s, I guess I would simply say I help access the truth of who they are and express it fully into their lives through the power of sound and breath.

Like, that’s, that’s the crux of it and usually that’s just where the conversation stops. It’s like, what is this guy on about? Uh, but you know, when it, when it goes on, I’ll deepen it and explain more in depth what that means and looks like.

Guy:
of course. Well, for cause really dive into your journey and your own, like, kind of awakening to spirituality. But with sound and and breath. in, in layman’s terms, how is that an access point to helping people really understand who they truly are?

Matt:
Well, I feel like what I’ve come to understand over, over exploring different modalities and techniques and cultures and so forth is that And what science is now showing, you know, you’ve had a lot of guys on your podcast and women as well that are, are, are giving, bringing the science forward as to what the mystics have been talking about for millennia.

And that’s that, that all of what we experience with our five senses is, and beyond that, is just vibration or frequency. And that I, feel like, We’re all just an extension of consciousness and consciousness extends itself or expresses itself through vibration or frequency. And so, in essence, that is what we are.

And when we get, when we come into the body, into our, minds, into our environment that we’re, we’re accustomed to, conditioned into, we forget the fact that we are actually in this vibration, this, this, this. kind of divine harmony of life, of consciousness that’s wanting to move through us and around. It is moving around us.

You see it in nature, how it just flows and there’s, there’s harmonies, there’s rhythms, there’s beats, there’s, there’s music. And we as a human race have almost just hit the mute button on our, our song that was wanting to sing through us. And I, I feel there’s. different songs. You see this in different cultures.

The indigenous people of this land would sing, uh, and what I mean by seeing is like consciously help co create the evolution of the planet through their intention, through their, uh, ceremonies, through their dance, through their rhythm, through their culture. And we’ve lost all that. We’ve, we’ve divorced ourselves from that.

And then we wonder why we’re stuck and stagnant. And so to me, the simple act of breath is the basis of it all. Breathing. You know, the first thing you do when you come in is you inhale. The last thing you do when you go out is you exhale. So in essence, life is one big breath. And in there is a rhythm as well.

So there’s a song, there’s a beat, there’s a rhythm. And then if you look at the expression of, you know, anything that you want to express in life comes through your voice, whether it’s, you know, or consciously expressed out. And that is infused with the breath. you’ll see in many cultures and practices that there’s, it’s not just oxygen exchange, it’s the, um, it’s the prana, it’s the life force, the energy that’s moving through that.

And so as I started to explore my own journey, started to unpack the holding, the muting within myself, I realized that as I opened my breath, I was able to open my voice. And not only just the expression of the voice coming out of my vocal cords, which, you know, sits on top of the breath. So open the breath, you’re going to open the voice.

But also then the way that I meet people, the way that I relate to people, the way that I meet my life and relate to my life, and the way that everything just kind of rolls on from that, ripples out from that. And so in essence it’s like going back to the foundation of are you in harmony with the rhythm of your breath and authentically expressing unique voice into the world because then that brings you into your true expression, your soul purpose and then can start to move.

So very long winded kind of cyclical question but in essence it’s like it’s going back to the source. Breath is everything. breath and express and your life will transform.

Guy:
Yes. And if you ponder on the, like you say, the pace of life, I wonder I wonder people actually stop and simply connect to their bodies to a tune to even realize their tone What words are they using to describe What? Um,

Are they aware that their heart is beating? Are their lungs moving in and out in breath? Like, we’re so outwardly focused, we don’t even stop to tune in and actually listen to what our body is wanting to communicate with us and share with us. we generally mute like you say, to continue the pace of life of how we live, and then lean into these tools as a crutch, more than a way being to support ourself moving forward. When experiencing them,

Matt:
No, exactly. you know, Yeah, and the tools, they actually can also become just more wood on the fire, so to speak. Because we’re, we’re so out of balance and then we take that out of balance perception and we then, we’re driven, we’re goal focused, we’re, um, you know, task orientated and to bring that into meditation, into sound healing, into all the work that we, we do then gives it a skewed vantage point and we’re actually then just doing more stuff to distract ourselves from disharmony that we are holding within instead of.

Resolving it and dropping in and being present to something as simple as the breath.

Guy:
yeah, well, let’s rewind back. Let’s take back the clock. Let’s go up a little bit on on your journey as you lean into these discoveries. Were Did you grow up spiritually minded? Like, was that in your, upbringing?

Matt:
grew up Catholic, like, so, going to church every Sunday, and

Guy:
Is that right?

Matt:
Yeah, yeah, so I had a,

Guy:
I did not know that

Matt:
That’s interesting you didn’t know that Uh, it wasn’t much, uh, spiritual at that point And it, it was actually one of the things that I had to overcome was All the dogma that was then, you know, imposed upon me from there And the, the guilt and the Um, you know, being subservient to a, a, a Christ that’s, you know, a Savior and, and that kind of thing.

And it’s like, never, it never actually resonated with me and I didn’t know why. And that was the initial, exposure, but luckily, lucky for me is that my dad was also into personal development. So in a way, he, you know, he’s coming at it from like a goal orientated vantage point. And if you look back in the eighties and.

90s, uh, a lot of that stuff like the Wayne Dyer, the Deep Hawks, the Marianne Williamson, the, you know, um, Carolyn Mace, like all these moguls that were bringing this consciousness, you know, what they’re talking about is ancient wisdom, right, at the end of the day. But they were bringing it into a mainstream mindset, and it was more focused around, you know, the power of positive thinking.

It was at Brian Tracy, and they, um, you know, looking at how to manifest and go after your goals, and, like, it was all just, like, locked into that paradigm. So it was like, my dad was coming from that angle, because he was very career orientated, and, like, you know, wanting to drive me towards, uh, you Engineering matter.

Guy:
How old were you then when he was giving you those cassette tapes, I believe?

Matt:
Oh, that was It was at a young age. It was pretty cool because the first thing was he found a series that we can’t find it to this day. I’ve asked him many times because I wanted to share it with my girls, but it was one of those, um, well it was, it might have been Brian Tracy that did it, but he did a kid’s version of like mindfulness and positivity and this

Guy:
Wow.

Matt:
um, he actually had characters and this was all audio, you know, on cassette tapes.

So before it’s like video and stuff and, uh, and it was, I still remember it to this day cause there was a character on there that was like the whingy whiny character that’s always has excuses and complaining and it was like, it, that was like a metaphor of what you’re not supposed to be like and how to overcome that.

character and then there was other characters and so it was it was a beautiful thing so that would have been around like when we could actually Perceive that you know that so probably about nine ten My brother would have been seven somewhere in there and we were getting exposed to that.

So that was our first taste but then Then it became and we moaned and groaned, you know, his kids. Oh, I don’t want to do that but stuck with me and then, then my dad used it as kind of a disciplinary kind of thing cause I, I got myself in a, in a bit of a trouble in school so he, he wasn’t fond of that and some of the way to discipline me was to give me the cassette series of more of the adult stuff when I was like 11, 12, 13 in that, you know, transitional time and have me do reports on it.

Again, there’s a lot of mourning and groaning and pain in there, but it stuck with me. Little did I know that these obnoxious, um, adults that I was listening to at the time, voicing all this stuff was, was stuff that I was going to be spewing out 30, 40 years from, from then.

Guy:
So it was going in. So with that kind of foundation then, leaning into it, because what what did you do then? Well, let’s fast forward to when because know, you speak to that a little bit at your, events and workshops. But do you mind sharing a little bit about, I guess, that period of time? Because that was such a catalyst for you, you know, on Reflection now, for you to go off on this journey. Quest to search for more meaning.

Matt:
No, exactly right. That was kind of the, that was my, That was a catalyst for to actually come back to myself, really. because like I alluded to, I was quite a defiant little boy. And that, and that defiance was because I couldn’t sit still in school. Like I couldn’t, it just didn’t, I was smart and I, which made it even worse because I would be finishing the homework before the teachers assigned it.

And it used to upset the teachers because then I would, you Goof around in class and get in trouble. And they’d and discipline me, but I was getting, you know, good marks. So it was kind of like enigma. So, um, that’s why I was getting exposed to this stuff. And in that, I’m sitting, having to sit still, having to hold, it was against who I was.

I was very sensitive and very, like My mind was just always going and imagination was just massive and like, sit in a classroom and have to look in a book and then learn these theories and stuff. It just was killing me. so in that I got quite defiant and, and as I got older and older, I had more, reach.

To defy, if that makes sense, you know, like getting out with my mates and then having a car and like being able to do things at a greater level, having access to more, you know, alcohol and drugs and, you know, the typical things and distractions. And so for me, I didn’t really, and what was frustrating is there was no real guidance to say, you should go into a healing career, or, you know, it was, anything to that, like, it was just, smart with math and science, you should go into, get an engineering degree, and you can do anything with that.

And so this was the point that I was in when my mom died, was at an engineering school that I didn’t really want to be at. capable of doing it, but it was, you know, It was more a social experience for me and just connecting with friends and going out and drinking and like binge drinking and, this really lost, I guess, lost and free.

I mean, it was, it was a time when, you know, I didn’t have to my head down and go after things. So it was lost. But then. You know, in the midst of all that, I share all that with you because it was kind of the state that I was in. I wasn’t really focused on the direction of my life, where I was going. I of hopeless and just wandering, I guess, at the time.

And then it was, um, I don’t know what year it was in school progression, but it was a few years in. My brother had already come to school there, I would have been there at least three years in uni. And, um, I was 23 at the time. And, um, yeah, my dad come down and I thought I was in trouble. Um, cause he, he knocked on my, apartment door and was like, Oh, what did I do now?

What did I get caught doing now? And, yeah, no, he said, uh, he just dropped it out. He just said, Mom’s dead. gone. And. It was like, you know, those moments where things just slow down. And I can still feel it. Um, it was like this, this contraction started in my fingertips. And it was like I just clenched into a fist and it went up my arms, up my shoulders, into my heart.

And it was like, it was like everything just closed down. And I just completely closed off in this anger, in this rage, in this, you know, obviously it was, the pain was so great underneath that, that the only way I could cope was to it with, with a rage, with an anger. And so, that was the initial kind of feeling, and it, I had to, I had to really hit bottom to pull myself out.

It was, you know, having that kind of, of a trauma and that kind of a grief, a depth of a grief and a loss, um, mixed with, no purpose Mm. um, and, and drugs and alcohol and, um, You know, not really many coping mechanisms. It was just for me

Guy:
Did, did your mum understand you at that, you know, just before that, when you were that lost, like you said, drinking, binging kind of

Matt:
youngster? She was, I didn’t realize how much I, how similar I was to her. Right. Yeah. you know, Parents are idiots. Like, I’m not like you. I’m going to do everything I can not to be like you. And, um, and she was such a caring, loving person. She was a nurse by trade.

And also as her personality was a healer, was a nurse, was a who was always helping other people. And, um, yeah, I was. And she got me, you know, she was helping not only other people which, you know, myself, my friends would come over and my girlfriends would come over and hang out with my mom.

Like, she’s that type of person. And just, um, yeah, she got me, she was there for me. There was this, there was a that I didn’t understand in myself that she was displaying. So there was a depth of connection there that Yeah. away. Yeah.

Guy:
So it was like, I mean, I just I don’t want to impose my thoughts on it, but it was, it was, it as if one of the few people in your life truly got you and was there for you at that point was then taken away, you know,

Matt:
Yeah, hands down. Because I was, I was a weird kid. Like,

Guy:
well, nothing’s changed, mate. Come on.

Matt:
My way, like, was interested in this stuff, like, occult stuff, and stuff and just a weird dude. So I never really, and I didn’t know where to fit in. I try a little bit of sport and dabble with a bit of music.

And like, I would never found my growing up. And so I was quite, I felt isolated, felt misunderstood. And, you know, my mom was always there as a mom is. And yeah, so it was like, that was my foundation regardless of who I, Was pretending to be she always saw me and always was there for me. So, yeah, she’s ripped away

Guy:
So then what happened? Did you, how did the quest begin? You said you started to spiral downward after that a bit. You know, where, where was rock bottom for you before started coming out on your soul searching?

Matt:
I Think it was Because we had access to all those pubs and of, like, there was no, was no one stopping me from going and having 12 hour binge drinking nights and then, you know, waking up a hangover and then again. It’s like, so, you know, and I was able to get by with the school enough that it wasn’t stressed about that.

I could just shelf that. Um, and so it was just,

I don’t know when the time, I can’t remember when there was a pivot because I was, I was in the toilet at a pub and I was so like where, where the greatest insights always happen, uh, that and the shower, Uh, uh, and just being like, wow, I’m so. Drunk and high and on whatever it was at the time and I’m like And it was one of those moments in that cloud in that haze in that kind of just running from the pain That there’s that glimpse of this divinity, you know, and it’s like It sounds funny but sitting in the stall at one of these bars and to have this insight is funny to me because know, it’s like the cesspool of society.

It’s like gross. college, college bar toilet. Um, but, just wow, there’s so much more life and that, and what I’m experiencing, and I want to, I want to experience it. I don’t want my mom’s, Life to be in vain basically is what it came to and it was like and in all that despair and that darkness It was like I just killed the little boy in me, you know, it was like mom was gone So I’ve got to grow up.

I’ve got to be a man Get rid of that childish imaginative creative little boy get on with it But I couldn’t cope so I was getting on with killing myself basically And it was in that moment of being so messed up and like, I could, I remember I could hardly even sit on the toilet. I was so incapacitated and, and I was like, why are you doing this?

Why are you doing this to yourself? Why is, it going to take? And it’s like, you’re just destroying the gift of life that your mom gave you. And it’s like, I was like, ah, and then it started to then circle back up. And it’s fascinating, isn’t it, as you, hold one negative thought, you can then perpetuate more and more negative thoughts, and it cascades just as easily as you can hold one positive thought, and if you hold it long enough, it starts to then lift you and create more and more positive thoughts, and that’s kind of like the moment, just pivoted in that environment, in that moment, as I, ah, to get to this state of feeling so blissful, so, know, joyous in my inebriated state.

A sober way and live on purpose and, and, and go after. I mean, my mom had come to me in a vision that I wasn’t ready to cope with at the time and showed me an experience beyond my five senses. So I guess in a way, in my naive way, I was using those drugs and alcohol to, to go to that state and, and to try and reconnect with her.

And it was just destroying me.

Guy:
When did she come to you in a vision?

Matt:
a days So you’re in full grief, shock. grief. And, you I, was, when I was sleeping. So, but it was like I was, I had lived in a two story house. So the dream was happening downstairs. My bedroom was upstairs and everything was unfolding, she, she came to me.

It was in front of me. I could reach out and touch her, but I couldn’t embrace her. She had to away and she, um, a portal that showed all these shapes that were beyond three dimensions, colors beyond my light spectra, what I could see with my eyes, like sounds that I have never been able to reproduce and, and it was, It was so profound, so amazing.

And I, I just, it was a peace. There was a, inner peace that was had at that moment, knowing that she was not actually gone. was just in a different frequency or different reality. And, you know, being in the Catholic, I said, mom, are you in heaven? She’s like, I’m in the afterlife. But she and I didn’t understand any of this, but I knew she was there.

And when. It came time to wake up, I’ve, I’ve actually felt my consciousness move from the downstairs to the upstairs my body actually shot up in the bed and

Guy:
Wow.

Matt:
position. I woke up seated and I was like, okay, that was interesting and wrote it all down and you know, I just shelved it as that was a nice dream, a nice memory or whatever.

But that same vision. I later went to a medium who was channeling my mom years later and he told, I didn’t tell anybody about that dream by the way at the time. And he told me that dream her point of view.

Guy:
Wow.

Matt:
And I was like, wow, that’s, that’s insane. it justified even more so. That she was there and that was real and there was a connection and And then yeah as I started to want to live Wanting and it had to be for her at first like I didn’t want to live for myself fascinating and that was a hurdle over time says I was just driving trying striving to be successful to be I was wasn’t living for me And that’s why I went into engineering and got a computer programming job and did this for years You I opened into this other stuff, which was truly me.

And that’s when I started to want to live for myself, not just

Guy:
Hmm.

Matt:
But yeah. So

Guy:
you say open into the other stuff, kind of, you know, start leaning into indigenous cultures, ancient wisdom, what first attracted you to looking at different modalities outside of what we are, I guess, projected upon in the Western society?

Matt:
Well, it was, it was being on that track of finishing my engineering degree and then being in computer job that I hated, um, and having the luxury of being in Los Angeles at that time. I got a job in Los Angeles of all places and was then exposed to, uh, Well, acting and music and I live with a, one of my old high, older friends from my neighborhood that I grew up with was living in L.A at the time. he was in a band, he was, you know, making music and so I, I joined him and I learned to play piano and he taught me some guitar and we, we fiddled around in a, in a band and then I, I fiddled around with some acting and got into acting school where the teacher was teaching spirituality basically.

He didn’t call it that, but day I audited his class, he said, if there’s one thing I teach in this acting class, it’s this book. And he held up a little book called the seven spiritual laws of success by Ah. And that book in my bag at the time. And I was like, Oh, I’m in the right place.

I spent five years with him every week learning how to move and energy. And it was a cathartic process. So I wrote a monologue about my mom’s death and it was So freeing, so releasing and that’s when I started to realize power of expression and the power of my voice all through that. I started then exploring, different possibilities and my mindset was still like mainstream.

It was like, um, well maybe I should be a doctor. So I went to UCLA and took some classes that I didn’t have in my engineering degree to hopefully apply to med school. And volunteered at a hospital. It only took me about 18 months to be disillusioned with the entire medical system. And that led me to massage work because it was on the fringe.

I could make a living, I could make money being a massage therapist in Los Angeles at the time, not, it wasn’t so far out of reach that it was Hmm. And so I started there. then that led me to actually feeling people’s emotions, because I was working in such a close proximity with people.

And they were demanding more of me than what I could offer, so I started to explore different modalities. Energy work, healing work, emotional work. Uh, there was a breath work, um, facilitator, David Elliott, who, um, he worked closely with me. American wisdom and so that started then to tip me open to more indigenous cultures and Yoga practices I got exposed to Kundalini yoga at the time through friends Ecstatic dance like these types of things were that just at my doorstep being in Los Angeles.

So in all those Feedback, if you look at a lot of the modern practices we do they feed back to ancient wisdom

Guy:
Hmm.

Matt:
and so It was that gradual progression then of, uh, separating my identity from the success as an engineer into kind of almost free falling into an unknown, and then ultimately creating a career that didn’t exist at the time out of what was authentic to me and what was true to me.

And that’s where You know, I started to want to explore more, go into different, um, I spent a lot of time in Peru working with, uh, teachers down there and really opened me up to, to a lot more of the mystic experience.

Guy:
Were, were there any, like, when you look at all these modalities, and and I’m thinking about people listening to as well, it can feel overwhelming, it can feel a bit confusing and it’s not until you walk the path and really start to submerse yourself in it, I found anyway, that you start to get it, and that, that wisdom comes from an embody, it’s an embodiment, it’s not, it’s not a mental thing.

And were there any points on your journey where you were like, Holy shit. Now I get it. That was profound. That was, because I remember, you know, you sometimes speak about the pain in your rib and how that rib held that, that grief, you know, I feel all these things are critical for people to hear because when the light bulb goes off, it can be a game changer.

Matt:
Yeah, 100%. what kind of this is leaning into what, what frustrates me about, um, this work and how people meet this work these days is that, It almost, it gets aside because we, I think, are in denial that we actually need any help.

Because we’re so self sufficient in our world and like, not, um, needing our instinct, our gut, um, wisdom, our intuition to survive. We’re not, you know, we can, we can survive with our minds. Basically we can survive in, you know, just this part of our bodies, but the whole heart and soul of who we are then is devoid in our lives.

And, and we, we sit and look and then we segment out everything as, well, there’s a physical ailment. I’ll take this drug or use this. procedure. There’s a thing. I’ll go to this therapist and talk about it. Or there’s, you know, it’s like we divorce everything out separate segment things and we don’t really drop in and realize that actually it’s just that I’ve separated myself from myself.

And so it was like, this is what I started to discover is that I wasn’t happy in my life and I thought it was because of Uh, not a purpose and, and the loss of my mom and, knows what it was. But it was just just life was mundane. Life was boring. Life was, is this all there is? And, and it was in the, in the search for something more that then I started to have these experiences.

And the, before I get to the rib one, it was I remember the first session I had with David and he was teaching me the breath and me an altered state with just a breathing technique his, was clair, he’s clairaudient and he’s able to tune into, uh, what words need to be, um, spoken for you to shift beliefs and that, that kind of thing.

So when you’re in that altered state in that. Um, open state. He’s starting then to rewire your, uh, belief system, which is fascinating. And it was just on his table for like 15 minutes doing a breath process. And I remember the tingling in my hands and the, the contraction in my arms and the release of emotion and this, like, kind of scene beyond my eyes.

It was, it was this, profound experience that I, I can’t really do justice to by putting words to it, but it was in that moment. I was like, Whoa, this shit’s real. Like it’s not just because to that point I was doing no Reiki or energy healing. It was like these subtle things. And his experience that I had or the experience I had with him was like,

Guy:
Um,

Matt:
You’re in not going anywhere. And so that really peaked my interest. And that’s when I started then to work Um, deeply with breath and, and different cultures. And yeah, one such was South America and, working with some healers there. And they were, um, a deep ceremony and it was, and what I, what I learned from them was how they use sound and, And their chants, their kettles, their, their, their instruments to elicit different states within your consciousness, to open you to different realities, to different portals of reality.

And it was fascinating, the journeys that we would go on just through the sound. And then you had your breath to you, to, to allow you to integrate. And so it was like those two things, sound and breath were very present. um, And I remember sitting in the depth of that ceremony about an hour and a half in, feeling an ache in my rib.

This was 15 years after my mom had died, so I had been journey, exploring at that point, and feeling like I had, I actually took a group there. I was leading a group of people and enrolled these to work with me. So it was kind of in a facilitator and

Guy:
Oh wow,

Matt:
time, is a challenging thing. But, in that I felt an ache and I was like, Oh, I’ve been through this, what’s that? It must just be been sitting for too long or something. And, and it started then to cascade into sadness. and it got so apparent. That’s all I could, all I was aware of was the pain in my rib and the sadness. And then.

As I let the sadness express, it was like my mom was sitting right in front of me this look of of love of compassion Like nothing and she was just right there and I realized ah This is grief that I had pushed down in myself at such a depth That had gone into my bones into the actual rib And that by expressing, I sobbed, my body was sobbing, you know, went from tears to just whole body convulsion, sobbing, releasing for six hours.

And I walked out of that like a different, different person. And that had been stuffed down and it’s like, that goes back to what I was initially saying is that, that frustration then of how many people are walking around.

Guy:
holding that,

Matt:
Holding things I think about that every day mate, I mean, when you, when people see what we see in our retreats and

Guy:
events, and what is saddens me is that a lot of people are just not aware of it. I wasn’t aware of it. I had, You know, I’m I’m a Welshman and from the valleys mate, like I’m walking around with absolutely no fricking idea that any of this is possible.

Matt:
No, exactly.

Guy:
And nobody tells you.

Matt:
No, no, get that new car, get that new house, fix the tiles in your bathroom and

Guy:
Yeah, the new TV will sort you out, you’re emotionally for a while. Absolutely. dated, mate. Get a new iPhone. feel better. Um, no, it’s exactly right. and speak to that too, it’s like, wow, like I was so stuck in myself. Like, didn’t even know I had a body that was stuck. You know, it was like. was logical. Everything Yeah.

Matt:
What do I, what do I think I want to do? And where do I think I should go? And like all that kind of stuff. And it was like, I did, you know, and a half years of massage study where we’re on each other’s body, different techniques, working into the muscle, into the fascia, into the tissue and opening it up.

And I was, and then I was a massage manager at a day spa of 120 massage therapists for a year and a half. And in that I had to get like 10 massages a week for testing, for reviews, for interviews, for So I’m getting, my tissues, my body is getting worked, right? And if, you think you can go through that and not open into the stuff that’s been held there, you’re kidding yourself.

Guy:
Hmm.

Matt:
like, that was, that was like, that was a foundation then. I’m kidding. for me to start to open. I needed that much, you know, get in there, open up before I actually started to feel my heart again because that contraction from when my mom died and that wall of anger, of was still there and I didn’t know it. But

Guy:
Do you feel though that in some ways we have to go through that to, to fully understand the journey and the lessons from it? Because if it’s just given to us, what are we going to take? We just take it for like human beings. We just take things for granted and we just get very complacent very quickly. You know, do you think you, you would be, Doing what you do now is such skill and passion and care without having gone through that metamorphosis,

Matt:
No

Guy:
right?

Matt:
I don’t believe that we have to go to that depth of

Guy:
No, absolutely not.

Matt:
But, it is a, it is a good catalyst for growth, for sure. We both witnessed that. Um, but, it did, it did force me on a journey.

And I think it was, of experience. I think that’s, that’s critical in this to have that, to go to that depth within yourself. And then that becomes your, your gift. Is that what, what you heal within yourself, then you can be the container to hold somebody through that similar type of healing. And so I’ve, that’s how I’ve developed that sensitivity is to be able to. To be with myself in that way. And it’s an ever deepening process of discovery, of evolution. And I, that’s what I think, I think we’ve put on the shelf as a human race. Is that we’ve our potential in a way. And that. We, we just, you know, like you say, we get comfortable, we just coast. Gross, mate. is, is And, you know, I can, I can go maybe a little bit higher. But, oh, yeah, it’s up and down, kind of ebbs and flows. But the potentiality, I mean, just look at, like, Olympic sports, my God. Olympics just happened and, and seeing what some of those gymnasts are doing. Ten years ago. People would have balked at that.

That’s impossible. You can’t do that as a human and they’re doing it. And it’s like, what else is possible? Not just physically, what’s possible mentally, what’s possible psychically, what’s possible, you know,as a group, as a, as a, a tribe, like of, like when we, you know, we see this all the time when we bring people together and how far they can go in those.

Within, create a healing, to create an energy, to create a transformation within themselves that frees them those, of those, those blocks. It’s like, what is possible? And so it’s, it’s like that, that’s what keeps me going I, you know, I can learn things and I can do things and I can set goals on a, on a 3D level.

But what’s, what’s the true potential of humanity and what, what actually can I express in this life and what, you know, we only have such a limited time, but what’s possible. And are you going to leave, much of that are you going to leave on the table? That’s the question. That’s what scares the shit out of me.

Think it’s like, learning stuff. I have this, this ability and, and, um, We’re creating spaces for people to heal and for humanity to, to grow and to be more kind, to be more loving. It’s like, I don’t want it to stop. I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna, I wanna, I wanna give it my all. I wanna be able to, you know, put down this body and say, that was a good run.

I, I used every ounce of that body before I left it. And, um, yeah, I think the measure that I, I strive for is how many, because Oprah talks about, it was um, who, who was it, um, I can’t remember her name at the moment, um, somebody, dear friend of Oprah’s, they were talking and she was telling Oprah, your true, true legacy is, is the people that you touch in your life and the impact you had on others.

And um, yeah, that’s, that’s my measure of success these days. is how far can this work go to and how many people can it touch and how many more will be inspired to live more fully in their lives. Yeah, I’m, I’m aware of the time, my time go about 10 minutes before I have to wrap it up. But, um, I got one question for you.

I’m bringing it back to sound for a minute. And I’m curious where When and where did you discover the gong? because I get to Experience that every other weekend now pretty much and It’s something That’s beyond words is profound Especially when in a meditative state or or working with the breath and and you’re really in that space Internally Yeah Yeah, that was, um, Kundalini Yoga teacher training.

I, um, our teacher had somebody come in, J, J. Roberts is her name, um, to, uh, share with us the gong. It was, it’s, it’s deeply infused into the practices of Kundalini Yoga is the use of mantra, the use of the gong. And she had, I don’t know, a dozen of these. You know, big gongs in the room and she just put us through, we did some, a kriya, some movement, some chanting and then laid down into Shavasana and she laid into those gongs and that took me to a place like no other.

And uh, and I remember sitting up from that experience and being like, I need that, I have to have that. Yeah, and it, it was, it’s fascinating how it actually came to be. It was, um, I got a little chow gong, which is a Chinese gong about that big. And they’re like a dinner plate. Yeah. Like a dinner plate. And it sounds like you’re hitting a garbage can lid.

That’s what it sounds like. Right. It doesn’t have much resonance, much musicality to it, nothing. Right. It’s just like hitting a piece of metal and which you are. Yeah. And. I had, um, I was doing, trying to find my way into this work and what is the process. It was when this, the soul vibing process was developed, the work that I, I wrote a book about and talk about and we share all the time using breath and sound in a journey to take you to an altered state.

I didn’t really know I was fiddling and I was approached by one of those, um, Groupon things. They just called me up one day. I missed it all. You want to do a sound healing massage? I’m like, okay. So I was doing massage and I was doing some breath and I was, I was working with how does this all fit together?

And, uh, yeah, I sold like, I don’t know, 1800 of those things and they give you pennies, like it was like a 20 voucher. And I think you get like. Three dollars off each one. I can’t remember. How many turned up? Well, that was the beauty of it. I think a third of them would show up. But anyway, I was doing hundreds of these things.

These sessions. And that Chao Gong was in it. And I was banging over people’s heads. It was a bit naive of me, I think, at the time. It really started to fine tune what I was doing and the money that I made from that gave me enough excess cash to buy my big 32 inch symphonic gong. And as soon as that sucker came in, I just played that every night.

Just, and it opened my consciousness into different portals, the resonance that was there. I was starting to see things, hear things. I was able to like disengage that conscious mind and drop into a depth like no other. It was, it was amazing. I was, I was talking to my mom. I was talking to spirits. I was like, like Gollum was coming and running around my ceiling and my weird shit was going on.

Printers were turning off and on and they weren’t plugged in. You know, all kinds of weird stuff was happening in the center when I was playing with this at night. And it was from that that I started then to understand that. that is, that is critical. There needs to be a, an explosive kind of, catalyst.

So using active breath, using the gong to disengage and to dislodge people from their attachment to their minds. It does that. It does that. Well, it’s, it’s a true sound journey. Like, and I want to emphasize the word journey. Because it really is. It takes you on this. There’s because there’s such a visceral experience to it.

Guy:
Like you’re saying, you’re using an active breath. You’re using sound in combination that it it transports you somewhere and like you say, it allows you to for that mind to to switch off. And then once you go and it catapults you off into the, the other aspects of, of the journey, it really is like a slingshot.

Matt:
It is, yeah. And that’s how it was designed. And it was, and that’s why I called it soul vibing initially. ’cause it’s, it takes you to a place where you can resonate with the vibration of your soul. And I do believe that is why we are here to bring that soul resonance into form. And so, like you say, a visceral experience, we’re fully immersed in the breath and the sound is working on the nervous system, working on the cells in the body.

So you’re fully embodying the expanse of consciousness that is resonating at those frequencies that you tap into as you shift your mind. And so that, in essence, then is like, to me, it’s like building a bridge. The more I practice that process. The more I was able to go into that state and bring that wisdom, that soul wisdom into my conscious mind, because there was a bridge that was built.

And that to me is what it’s all about, is finding the soul wisdom that’s wanting to move through you and letting that soul inspire you instead of being driven by the fears, the anxieties, the the beliefs that we hold within our mind. It’s like, and that changes everything. Yeah, absolutely.

Guy:
Wow. I feel like I could keep on packing more and more and more as we, as we go, mate, but I’m going to have to wrap up the podcast in a moment.

Matt:
Yeah, of course. Well, yeah, you get a few, few stories over 50 years of being on the planet.

Guy:
So yeah, totally, totally. Um, Anything you want to add before we do wrap it up? What we covered.

Matt:
We covered some ground, didn’t we? Uh, yeah, I think, I just, I would just want to share like one little, little practice, I think. We offer so many practices and it, I think a lot of what we spoke about can sound like this out there, kind of. thing and it’s vast and it’s large, but going back to that, utilizing the breath, um, in one of my courses in the membership, we, it’s a six stage process.

And the first stage is, is silence. And the second stage is observation. So sitting in silence and observing, and then ultimately you go to understanding. And then you nurture that in and you design your life from that. So that creates the acronym sound. Um, but silence and observing are critical components of what we’re missing in our lives.

And I, I feel if, you know, just would invite anyone who wants to explore this, to start to tap into that little bit of sound and little bit of breath by a simple practice of just before you get out of bed, just take like. Two to five minutes. It doesn’t have to be long. And just listen to your breath. Just let it breathe you.

And let it move. And just be with that. And as you’re with it, you’ll more than likely feel sensations in the body. You’re definitely going to have thoughts come into your head. You might even over time notice emotions that want to release. Whatever it is, just observe it. Just be present with it. As you’re sitting and listening to that breath, and then the next step is start to move, start to take command of those emotions that are wanting to flow, those sensations in the body that are wanting to form you, by just giving it a bit of a hum.

So you can then take the exhale and give it a hum, and just let that hum soothe your body, soothe your mind. and soothe the heart of what’s wanting to express. And just that little practice will start to then open to insights and information that will start to guide and inspire your life forward. So, I just invite people to play with that.

Totally. I do it in the sauna. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that’s my go to. Yeah, beautiful.

Guy:
Yeah, and uh, one question mate, have you, are you giving life to your YouTube channel? Is that, is that happening?

Matt:
It is happening. It is happening. I am putting more and more content out there, wanting to just reach more and more people with simple gong sessions and sound sessions and

Guy:
I’ll put the link to the YouTube below, but it’s that gong guy, right?

Yes, that gong guy. Yeah. Yeah. So head over subscribe and Oh, thanks. Check out the gong. No worries. And, um, get it out there. Yeah. Well, if people want to come and experience the work, we, we are running a retreat in Byron Bay in January. We’ll be, well, we’re in Croatia in October. This should be out before then.

We’re gonna be in Bali, end of April, early May. Mm-Hmm. , come and come and join us. It really attracts a certain kind of person, which is beautiful and, uh, connected. Yeah. I hear your alarm in the background, mate. Yeah. He’s ready. My son is, uh, on all cylinders. He’s made a few guest appearances on the podcast now.

Matt:
Has he? Yeah. Fantastic. Start him young, mate.

Guy:
Exactly. Exactly.

Matt:
Well, thanks so much, right, for bringing me on and diving into that, um, bit more.

Guy:
I really enjoyed it. Yeah, it’s fantastic to hear. I learned a lot today. But you’re saying something, considering how much time I spend with you. Yeah.

Matt:
Yeah, that’s it.

Guy:
Legend. Thanks mate. Cheers.