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Jason (00:00:11):
Do something with my microphone, but it doesn’t sound echo. We think

Guy (00:00:14):
It’s good. No, it’s fine. It sounds good. There you go. We’re recording. We’re live. Jason, welcome to the podcast,

Jason (00:00:20):
Mate. Awesome to be hanging out with you today.

Guy (00:00:23):
I, um, it’s nice to have the, the, the last time we spoke I was actually on your podcast, which I think was God well over 12 months ago, so I’m really excited to turn the tables and put you on the hot seat for the next.

Jason (00:00:35):
Right. Uh, looking forward

Guy (00:00:37):
To it next 45 minutes or whatever it be an hour. Um, look, like I say, I might be a bit rusty cause we’ve just done back to back retreats and, and took a month off podcasting and, uh, I think I’m breathing out. So it’s been, um, it’s been a really nice break. So I’m, I’m looking forward to see if my mouth actually meets my brain when we, when we talk for the next hour. But as always on the podcast mate, I asked the same question when starting out, which is a nice way, instead of jumping into a bio or something. Yeah. But if you were at a dinner table right now and you were sitting next to a stranger and they asked you what you did for a living, how would you answer that?

Jason (00:01:14):
Gee, it’s a good question. Uh, sometimes, uh, I answer it in a few different ways. Uh, and I’ll answer it in a way that I’d like to continue to engage with you into the future rather than avoid engagement into the future. But, uh, <laugh>, listen, you know, I, I say to people that I help people, you know, uh, transform their relationship with their future wealth. Um, and, um, you know, I do that through very practically the world of real estate. But, um, like you and I were chatting off air, uh, you know, real estate’s just a word. You know, the transformation comes with people’s relationship with money, their stories around money, wealth, um, and, uh, you know, what that looks like in the future. So yeah, hope you transform your financial future into something better than you’re on track for now, really would be my answer to most people. Sometimes I don’t wanna talk about it with people, say, I just tell people I’m in finance, otherwise <laugh>,

Guy (00:02:11):
And then they’ll go off. Fair enough. And leave it. It really depends how you answer it, isn’t it? That’s

Jason (00:02:15):
Right. That is exactly right. Yeah.

Guy (00:02:17):
<laugh>, I’m curious, I’d love to get your perspective on this then. Um, cuz you asked me at the end of the podcast when, when we were chatting last time, But what does wealth then true wealth mean to you? And has that changed over the years

Jason (00:02:30):
For you? Yeah, I do ask that follow up question cause it has at 100% when I was a lot younger, um, that I am today. Well, wealth meant money and buying things like it, it was very one-dimensional and probably immature. And I don’t say that in a bad way. Many of us sort of mature into what the concept means, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I think the older we become, the more experiences we have, the more things we realize we actually care about. You know, our often, many of us mature into, you know, caring about more than just ourselves and the things we have, right? Um, it’s, uh, it’s transformed over time. But really for me now, the, the concept of true wealth for me is, is choices. So I can choose to work, I can choose not to work. Uh, I love what I do. I don’t consider it work a lot.

Guy (00:03:19):
I, I was, I had a holiday last week actually. I took, took 10 days off Shay and I, my, my wife. Uh, and I called a few, few people from my team because when I’m a holiday and I’m thinking, and, uh, one of them said, Gee, your definition of a holiday and my definition of a holiday really different <laugh>. Cause cause I’m always thinking about what I’m doing. So, you know, uh, choices for me, you know, you can choose which way you want to, uh, role. Um, do I work, do I not work, Uh, also the ability to significantly assist, uh, and influence some things I care about and people I care about. Eg I love helping my family if they, if they have or need things, you know? Um, some of my family aren’t as good off or well off as me and we’ve been able to significantly improve their, their quality of life when it comes to health and other things as well.

Jason (00:04:18):
Uh, and um, you know, certainly close to home my my own children for sure. But, um, you know, the other thing, I dunno if you can see the shirt here, you know, powered by purpose people place in planet. Um, you know, we’ve now, uh, over the last 10 years built, uh, 18 schools and three libraries, you know, close to 9,000 children go to school every day because of the, you know, the wealth, the true wealth, which I believe true wealth, um, ultimately is your ability to gather assets and pay it forward, pay it forward and magnified into the world. So, you know, I can do that through my family, I can do that through my business growing. Um, and I can do that through, you know, these charities and school that I support. So you

Guy (00:05:10):
Give me goosebump, I’m saying that, mate, seriously, Like, was there a point then in your life where it wasn’t just a definitive point where it wasn’t just me and then it is a we, because it’s almost like the, the less we have, the more we, we, we get consumed by our own stresses and our own problems. And, and money is such a huge factor in, in our general wellbeing of how our mood daily, like, cause if we’re always stressed and concerned about it or if we’re always holding onto what we have and, and like paying it forward can feel so foreign to so many people.

Jason (00:05:48):
Yeah, it’s an interesting one. Um, it, when you’re, you know, you said that it, it reminds me of like that, you know, that hierarchy your needs, I think think is it Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, you know, where it’s sort of survival, right? Um, and, and I, and I have noticed per like, this is 100% personal observation and then observing others, you know, I’ve, I’ve had the, you know, the privilege to sit with people and talk about their money. Um, like literally tens of thousands of people one on one like this, you know, in one way, shape or form. And it’s really interesting, you know, money is very private and very weird for a lot of people to talk about openly and for real. You know, very much like somebody’s, let’s say, you know, um, religious beliefs or, you know, their sexual orientation or you know, what do they say to dinner party, Don’t talk about politics, money, sex and drugs or something, and you’ll be alright or whatever. Um, how’s that? Is that all right?

Guy (00:06:48):
Uh, bingo. Yeah.

Jason (00:06:49):
Yeah. It was weird. It did flicker for a second and then obviously because the other microphones the top one, so it must have like clicked, clicked over or something. Anyway, hopefully that

Guy (00:07:00):
That’s all

Jason (00:07:01):
Right. Happen again. Where did we get to?

Guy (00:07:03):
I think you were, I think I, the last words I hear from me enough was sex and politics <laugh>, and then it popped

Jason (00:07:14):
Maybe, um, can you remember the question or do, do we try a different question?

Guy (00:07:18):
Um, yeah, it was about, um, the, we, we started talking into, um, Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, remember about me and We and the survival aspect of that.

Jason (00:07:30):
Yeah. And you know, that Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, you know, that survival, you know, end of town, you know, when, you know, when our financial wellness gets beyond that, I see a lot of people being able to think of, of we, like who else we would, you know, be able to do. I think often, often part of it is you, you can’t wait until you’ve got more than you need to be, including a we in your financial life. And, and I think, you know, for me, just observing, you know, with relationships and other things as well, it’s not about like, you know, wait till you are perfect to have a relationship or wait till your finances are perfect to be able to pay a bit forward. You know, it’s part of the journey of becoming better, starting wherever you are. Um, yeah. And, um, you know, I see a lot of people kick into survival and they never get to we because they think they, they have to survive or they have to do a certain level before they can pay it forward.

Jason (00:08:32):
Um, and, and I’ve, I I, I’ve got this concept that I teach people called Moving the Zero Line, Um, uh, in my world, financial world, I can tell people’s, um, and it’s, and it happens in my business too. I have team members. I, I can tell when I can tell their mood, I can judge their mood and then I can guess their bank account or their financial, um, financial situation. And it’s, it’s so accurate. Um, because, you know, when people are stressed and doing really random, weird things, I’m like, that person’s got some financial challenges. Like, and it’s usually one of three things. It’s either a financial challenge, a a relationship challenge, their, their relationship’s a bit bit something, you know, or some sort of, you know, personal direction challenge, you know, like, you know, I’m doing one career and I don’t like it anymore, or something like that, but in my world, I get exposed to that money conversation often. It’s just like, okay, I can feel your vibe and your vibe correlates with your bank account though, you know? So, you know, I, I can understand. And, and I used to behave that way too, guy. You know, like when, when the bank account was low, you know, and, um, you know, I couldn’t pay the bills, you know, the next week or the next month, then, you know, there was a high level of stress in, in my life and, and household, you know?

Guy (00:09:51):
Totally. You know, I find it, I, I find the whole thing fascinating. Cause one thing I didn’t expect from my side is, um, now that we come outta the pandemic and we can actually put the foot in the cast, if you like, and start getting back out there and front of workshops and retreats and, and we, we spending more advertising money with marketing more, and we really want to get in front and help as many people as possible that wanna lean into this work, you know? But the one thing I that’s really surprised me is people start throw stones to us as well, at the same time about, I can’t believe you’re charging for this. Like, uh, that that’s too expensive without even knowing what we do, where we’re at or what we’re presenting. Absolutely no concept. Um, almost like a tall poppy syndrome kind of thing if you start poking it. Yeah.

Jason (00:10:45):
And I’ve, I’ve, I’ve experienced that too over the years and, and, um, it’s an interesting one, you know, uh, especially in our world where we sort of, we coach, educate, support, um, life changing, you know, it’s a life changing thing. You know, my only my experience is in Australia and mostly Australian customers, Australian and New Zealanders. So I dunno if this is a worldwide phenomenon, but, you know, um, something special or something sacred or something kind of, you know, special to a person. I, I, I observe many people feeling like a money being involved, dirts it or devalues it or makes it less or something like that. And, and I think that maybe comes around to some of the conversation we’re having about people’s, you know, relationship with money. And so, you know, if, if, if Guy has a very amazing thing that he could teach the world, um, I think it’s fantastic that, um, he gives value and gets value, and the get value is in the form of often money, right?

Jason (00:11:53):
So you can’t avoid that in, in the whole world. It’s the mechanism of which we’ve always traded, whether it’s been cash now or, you know, gold bars or coins or, you know, some potatoes for some something or other. Um, so it is a strange one, mate, And, and we’ve had it too. So over the years we’ve just sort of said, Well, listen, you know, how you appreciate me is, you know, in the form of dollars and cents, and then how I appreciate you is by doing what we said we were going to do. That transforms your future life in an, in an amazing way. So when we realize what that looks like, and we appreciate the exchange, sometimes that sort of, you know, takes that sort of grayness or weirdness out of it on my side. So, you know. Yeah, it’s an interesting one. It’s an interesting one. I think it is related to money and often, often many people’s, um, you know, and I, I’m gonna say poor, but I don’t mean it in that way, but it just a very poor relationship with what it is to them, what money means to them, and the emotions. It stirs up

Guy (00:13:01):
A lot. Hey. Yeah, yeah. Um, you know, as you listening to speak, and the question I wanna dig in, uh, with you is, cuz I’ve had, um, I think about it, Bruce Lipton, are you familiar with Bruce Lipton? Dr. Bruce? Yeah.

Jason (00:13:14):
That’s, um, uh, the molecules of emotion, isn’t it?

Guy (00:13:18):
Um, yeah, he wrote Biology of belief, Biology

Jason (00:13:21):
Belief, Yes.

Guy (00:13:21):
Yeah. Handing one fact there was Candace, Candice. Yes. I’ve got that book on Audible actually. It’s, it’s a big read. Jesus. Yeah,

Jason (00:13:28):
Yeah. Pretty. Yeah. They’re pretty, I I enjoyed both of those. Yeah, yeah,

Guy (00:13:32):
Yeah. And, you know, and Bruce always talks about, um, uh, 90, I think it’s 90% of our beliefs are actually formed between conception and the age of seven. You know, and that becomes our fundamental foundation as we then become into adulthood. But quite often as adults, um, we are actually playing our childhood, um, beliefs and stories that we just didn’t form with an analytical mind, so they just embodied in us. Yeah. And it kind of creates this kind of way of being that we then, um, layered upon our perception on daily life. So my question to you is then what were your first zero to seven years like and your upbringing, and was there then shifts that you’ve had to overcome or beliefs to then roll into to the person you are today and with positive real estate and so forth?

Jason (00:14:24):
Yeah, I to totally, and, you know, big effort and shifts and stuff like that as well. And, you know, the universe bash me around a bit to sort of say, Hang on, you know, if you want this change that’s coming to you. But, you know, my first, you know, seven years, I can only remember very fondly as a child. Like I grew up in a place which was, uh, you know, amazingly orientated around family at a very small country town in Outback Australia. Um, and literally everyone I knew of it was either a cousin or second cousin, or, you know, it was literal. It was, I was nearly related to everyone in the town, and that’s where I had to leave to find a partner. But, um, you know, it, it, it, it was a very beautiful, wonderful upbringing. So one of the things that I know that has, um, uh, you know, I’ve had to work on is where I grew up.

Jason (00:15:15):
Nobody had money. Like nobody had money, right? You know, like everybody worked for maybe five, six months of the year, and then everyone else just got by by, you know, a bit of barter, a bit of exchange, bit of helping people. There’s actually a quite nice upbringing, you know, Um, you know, we, if if you needed something to fix your push bike, you went to the rubbish dump and found some old things and then you kind of brought them home and fixed them. You know, it was, it was a real sort of, um, subsistence way of living and, and was really nice. Like, I, I loved it. So my first seven years was, was formative in that way. So these days, you know, um, I still like to build things myself and, you know, and, and, uh, do projects and those sorts of things. But, you know, a bit of that was in and around money.

Jason (00:16:00):
Certainly for me. I had to push through and overcome, you know, the idea of how my, um, you know, my upbringing and family, you know, thought about people with money as well, you know, Um, so, you know, you know, the, the rich winers, you know, those people, you know, people with money were, was someone else, not someone you knew. You know, Um, people with money or success, um, had always ultimately lied or stolen or cheated or misled or, you know, were, were, were were taking, taking advantage of someone or ripping someone off. Like there was all these like, negative connotations to it, um, uh, you know, indirectly. But, you know, the only ever times, you know, those conversations came up were, you know, in those negative ways, you know, someone had, you know, done something. So certainly, uh, and I did a little bit of work, uh, a while ago.

Jason (00:16:56):
I’ve done a few courses. You and I were chatting about them, you know, Tony Robbins and all sorts of courses and books and whatever over the years. And one of the things I realized was I loved adventures and doing and doing interesting things. So my entrepreneurial journey started because I liked adventure. I, I liked, I liked doing things. I liked going places and discovering it wasn’t, it wasn’t driven financially to begin with. It was driven out of adventure and interest and, you know, excitement. So, and, and over time then you go, well, you know, um, maybe as learning to be better at this, this thing that we were doing, building a business and creating wealth through real estate was just like, Oh, I better learn how to do that a bit better. You know, you know, 25 years ago, <laugh> and, you know, that, that that ultimate like, you know, tuning up over 25 years has sort of, you know, um, led me, uh, you know, to, to really yeah. Really think how I think about money very differently today than it was, you know, 25 years ago. For sure.

Guy (00:18:02):
Yeah. I I find it fascinating that your, like your, your your, your actual drive was the adventure of it all.

Jason (00:18:09):
Yeah. Yeah.

Guy (00:18:11):
Not the, not the money. You, you’re not

Jason (00:18:14):
Secondary. Yeah, it was, it was, it was totally secondary. Um, which, you know, in itself caused me problems to begin with because, you know, doing something and losing money is not a, not a good idea, cuz that becomes painful <laugh>. So I had to balance up the, my need for adventure and new things with, um, some practicalities if that was the type of adventure I wanted. Right. So, you know, um, and, um, you know, learn along the way. Yeah,

Guy (00:18:40):
No, it’s, it is a hugely resonate so much because when I started the natural protein supplement company back in 2010, it wasn’t to try and be the, cuz we were the first to market to do have this kind of idea back then. And, but it, none of that drove it. It was literally the frustration of the food industry and working with people with cancer and seeing the, the, the amount of poor food choices that were available even in the fitness industry. Yeah. And it was like, it came from like this anger and, and, but also this drive and this wanted to infiltrate. I think if I was actually just trying to see how many bags of bloody protein I could sell it, it never would’ve moved in the first place. You know, very different, um, uh, motivation behind everything. Just to give people context then of, of, um, where you’re at today then. So correct me if we’re wronging, I got a couple of stats off Marcus p here, like, but, uh, positive real estate’s been gone for 20 years, your company,

Jason (00:19:39):
Is it? Yeah, literally this year, 20 year anniversary, um, of, uh, of incorporation. Um,

Guy (00:19:45):
That’s, And how many companies survived 20 years? Mate, You know, the stats on that

Jason (00:19:50):
<laugh> not a lot, but it’s kind of less than 1% or something like that. Like, there’s a, there’s a stat that, um, that we use, um, less than five survive 10 years, less than 5%. So, you know. Wow. Um, yeah. And,

Guy (00:20:03):
And how many, how many staff are now working for positive real

Jason (00:20:06):
Estate? So we got, uh, over 140, I think it’s 143, um, across Australia and New Zealand. And we’ve got some other places too. We’ve got a team in Manila and, uh, and some people in, um, Argentina, you know, the world of Zoom and, um, digital has been able to, you know, help expand it as well. And they’re all full time team members as well, so, Yeah.

Guy (00:20:25):
That’s, that’s incredible. And my question to you is, my knees start to shake when you said 143 staff members <laugh>. And so my question to here is, is like, how do you manage to, to stay so grounded and to be, Cause you, like you said, you, were you going holiday for 10 days, even though you, you’re thinking you have this amazing ability to be very you mate. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, every time I’ve met you, you never appear stressed. Um, which maybe, I don’t know, maybe you just can camouflage it really well or something, I’m not sure. But honestly, like when I, when I look from the outside looking in, I have nothing but admiration for you because of what you doing, the way you’re paying it for the, the what you’ve created and built and work with, but yet you still are able to live a fully rich life while doing it all. What’s the secret? Like, what are you Well,

Jason (00:21:26):
Well what’s what’s helped me a lot, uh, is just great people to, to be part of the team, you know? And I think, you know, uh, when I said I love adventures, probably to be more accurate, I love adventures with other people, right? Um, and I love a adventuring with people who love adventures. So, you know, one of, if, if I would say a secret or maybe a special source to, you know, how I’ve enjoyed this journey ha has been that I’ve been able to, you know, um, uh, find and have, you know, deep, meaningful value led you know, adventures with, with cool people, you know, who like the idea of doing something fun and awesome, you know, in, in a certain place. And, and see, you know, a bigger, a bigger picture. We’ve got a visitor in the background, <laugh>. Um, so mate, you know, that’s been my, my secret to have great team members come on.

Jason (00:22:26):
Uh, a very cool journey, um, with, with with me doing it together. Uh, it, it certainly something that’s, you know, you couldn’t do by yourself. It’s not about me, you know, I suppose probably I’ve always been a we person rather than a me person. You know, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s all of us. Like we, we do it together and, you know, the big picture in the plan grows, um, as you get cooler people around you and have, you know, um, those people to support you. And, you know, I can go away for 10 days a month. We’ve been away for months before and, and things go really, really well. And, um, you know, I think that’s the secret. Great people who are values aligned with you who wanna, you know, wanna do something cool.

Guy (00:23:11):
Yeah. Yeah. Was it, was it, was there, um, uh, dark times? Cause there’s one, one moment I I wouldn’t love to have a conversation with you about as well is the, the gfc the global financial crisis. Cause um, Marcus mentioned as well that there was a point there where you had absolute adversity and had to make decisions going through that. Would you mind talking us through a little bit what happened at the time and Yeah. And how you, how you bounced back from that as well, like

Jason (00:23:40):
Yeah, for sure. Um, two seconds. I’m recording this now. You need to leave? No, no, no. It’s recording live. You gotta go. Bye. Bye. Thank you. See you later. You’re breaking

Guy (00:23:51):
Up. Promise <laugh>,

Jason (00:23:53):
I told you when I’m finished. Love you. When to finished. Love you. I’ll be finished at four 30. Okay. I’ll be away at four 30, so you can’t, I’ll be, I’ll come and see you. All right, love you. Bye. Close it all for me so the mosies don’t get in. Yeah, You’re, you’re, Thank you, <laugh>.

Guy (00:24:10):
Maybe we’ve, I’ve had <laugh>, I’ve had a cockle on one show walk in, apparently <laugh> Alicia was, was human. Yeah,

Jason (00:24:19):
No, no. He, he, he, he, uh, he and I were gonna do something this afternoon, but, um, That’s alright. He, he’s coming, he’s coming hour and a half early. He’s quite <laugh>.

Jason (00:24:31):
Uh, Yeah, Yeah, yeah. Um, well, mate, um, yeah, I mean the gfc you know, 100% a, uh, a big learning curve for me. You know, this, this business of p e kicked off in 2003 and, um, you know, you know, really I got interested in, in buying property and understanding what that might look like after I read the book, Rich Dad, Paul Dad from Robert Kosaki, I thought, Oh, it’s a great read. This sounds exciting. I’d like to know more. Let’s go buy some real estate. Um, and, um, you know, from that point onwards, there was a few bumps and bumps and bruises, but really it was kind of an upward trajectory from learning and owning and knowing nothing, you know, all the way to sort of, you know, 2009, um, where we’d grown the, the business, you know, we owned, we owned over a hundred properties, You know, we, we had, um, a number of property developments underway, um, you know, across, uh, Queensland and Victoria.

Jason (00:25:33):
You know, we, you know, we, at that point in time, there was about 40 million worth of developments we had underway. So we were sort of really, you know, hawking in and thinking, you know, this is, this is amazing. Basically from 2003 to 2009, sort of an upward trajectory ride, you know, thinking, you know, how easy is this? Not, not necessarily how easy is this, but, you know, yeah, it went in a pretty good direction. Um, but, you know, the, the GFC really put the skids on and, and we had, um, you know, some exposure when it came to large amounts of lending that was, um, you know, pretty significant, you know, overnight that 40 million worth of, you know, uh, projects was worth, you know, 20 million and we owed 35 million on it. Right? So, yeah. And, um, you know, the machinations of commercial borrowing and commercial, um, property and commercial, meaning developing real estate rather than owning residential real estate is very, very different to moms and dads buying a house.

Jason (00:26:36):
Um, and the, the treatment from the lenders and the marketplace for you as a borrower commercially compared to residential, very different. So, you know, um, we were, um, called in on our loans because the values of our developments went down. Um, you know, we didn’t have the cash and capital to cover those callins, you know, so basically when your values go down because of lending constraints in commercial property, um, the bank will say, Hey, you’d need to give me 5 million of cash right now to balance the scales, right? Cuz that was our agreement. Uh, you know, and you could, you could imagine, you know, we, we’ve got $40 million worth of projects underway. We haven’t got 5 million worth of cash just sitting around out the back there. It’s all in these projects, you know? So, um, yeah, listen, we went from sort of hero to negative, you know, many zeros, um, almost overnight it felt like in the GFC <laugh>, you know?

Jason (00:27:34):
And, um, you know, that, that certainly was some, some very, um, stressful and, and, and dark times. Um, you know, after, um, you know, it took me many years, like I would say four to five years to, you know, fully feel, um, you know, what I would call normal again, normal Jason again, after the gfc. You know, it took me, it took me some, you know, some deep soul searching, a lot of support from my business partners and my, my life partner, you know, to come back from that, you know, Um, we made, uh, you know, we made some, um, you know, good decisions early on, on how we structured ourselves. So thankfully, um, it wasn’t like, you know, a total implosion. It was extremely hard. Um, but we, we navigated through it. Um, you know, and, you know, some of this stuff, you know, we, we had some, uh, friends and some clients lose money.

Jason (00:28:33):
There was about $2 million of capital we, we lost, um, with some of our clients and customers. Um, you know, and um, you know, in the end, uh, you know, it was a pretty tough time to try and navigate what are we gonna do about these things? And you know, one of the things that, uh, I had an early, um, an early mentor say to me, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s, um, it takes a long time to build a reputation and it often, it takes a short time to lose it. Uh, and, um, you know, one of my personal decisions was to personally take care and cover the, the personal investors that were in our projects, in our things, you know, $2 million. I said personally, I’d pay it back. I didn’t know how to do it, but I said I would. Um, so, you know, it took me 10 years to pay them all back after tax money, you know, to all of those investors, 2 million bucks plus manage, you know, going forward and, excuse me, managing the business and, you know, managing our own stuff. So it was pretty tough times, um, for sure, you know, after the GFC wasn’t, wasn’t a picnic, I’m gonna tell you.

Guy (00:29:50):
And that’s an incredible mate, and to, to do that as well. Like you say, pay back all your clients and everything. It’s amazing. Did are you <laugh> and I’m thinking about everyone listens to this cuz everyone that listens to my podcast listen for many different reasons, and many people are, are in that hole, like you spoke about right now in that period of time. And it can feel like there’s never any, uh, light at the end of the tunnel when you’re in the middle of it. You know what I mean? As I’m sure you do. But looking back now, are you glad you went through that and survived and come out the other side? Or do you think, did it happen for a reason? Or do you think like, uh, it’s just bad luck or

Jason (00:30:36):
It it certainly wasn’t bad luck. Um, because it can be managed and, and avoided. Um, you know, there was some exposure there that, you know, if I had some, some other advice early on or looked at it in a different way, I could have minimized, um, um, yeah, let, let’s say probably wouldn’t have been avoided, but it would’ve been minimized. Like, you know, I, I didn’t cause the the global financial crisis, right? <laugh>, you know, I was caught up in some of the, uh, you know, the, um, the, the wreckage, the carnage of it. Um, so, you know, for me, um, I would, I look back and say, yes, it was an absolutely formative piece of who I am today. And today I wouldn’t change that, you know, But I could tell you many times if I had a magic wander, a big red button in the moment, I would’ve pressed that sucker and gotten the hell outta there, you know, <laugh> or wave the magic wander, like, get me away from this stuff.

Jason (00:31:32):
And I think often it’s, it’s easy to say it when I’m sitting here. Not, not when I, when you’re right there. So if anyone’s listening and they’re right there, you know, you’re probably just start swearing at both of us going piss off. You don’t know what I’m feeling, but I do know what you’re feeling. Um, you know, um, it, it, it gets better and, and it gets better with time. So time does its thing guy. But one of the things that I can say like categorically is if you as an individual can get better at making it, like defining what it means to you, it gets better magnified, mag magnificently better. I don’t know. It it, it’s better because you make it better by, by making it mean better things. Do you know what I’m trying to say? Yeah,

Guy (00:32:23):
I was gonna say change the meaning of it and then you can change the complete context of it in that moment.

Jason (00:32:28):
Yeah. Cuz really at the end of the day, if you think about it, it’s the only thing that we’re in charge of. Like, you know, like you’re in charge of deciding consciously what you can, you can decide it to mean. That’s, that’s it. I think everything else, everything else is, is a co-creation if you’re lucky. Um, or, you know, you’re just influenced by it, you know, so,

Guy (00:32:50):
You know. Absolutely. Yeah. Cause we, we, we get people who come to our retreats for all sorts of reasons, Jason. Some are on just, they just want a mystical experience and go straight down the rabbit hole. Yeah. But many from the other end, I, I’ve had horrific things happen to ’em through their life and different traumas and they’re holding that and, um, and it, it always feels like it’s holding them back. There’s just this part. And, but like you say, if you can get to the point with someone within ourselves or, or guide someone there to, to really shift the meaning and be able to then see the wisdom from what is presented itself from you without having a, uh, emotional charge from it of any kind and be able to take that and enhance life moving forward. It, it changes everything. And we can be free of those trappings, you know? Yeah. Uh, it’s, it’s a big deal for sure. Yeah,

Jason (00:33:40):
Yeah, yeah. Massively impactful and powerful. Yeah.

Guy (00:33:44):
And I’m, I’m,

Jason (00:33:45):
It’s easy to look at in reverse <laugh>, but you know, if anyone could take any tips away from it right now, you know it, you know

Guy (00:33:52):
Exactly like you said. But when you’re in it, it’s, yeah, it’s a different, different story altogether. Um, I’m curious to, to dive into, cuz we spoke a little bit off there that you’d, um, you um, looked into Ika. Yeah. Which was something, which was a big deal for me at the time. I remember doing it almost 10 years ago and I had a fear around psychedelics cuz I actually took a bunch when I was like 15 mushrooms grew very wildly up in the valleys of Wales night. I dunno if you knew that <laugh>, but I think I was about 14 or 15, didn’t know what the hell I was doing. And, and it actually, I never touched the drug again after that. I was like, yeah, just, and, but then as I was leaning in more to this work and wanted to understand more about who I am, it, I kept, I was called like, I was kind of weird. Um, but I’m sure you can relate. Yeah. And it was, it was a defining moment in my life. Cause I really overcame some fears of myself. I was just curious, um, why did you, um, when did you first hear about it? Why did you decide to, uh, do an ika journey? Um, cuz like it’s no picnic when you do it

Jason (00:34:59):
Either. No, no, it’s not. Certainly, Well, you know, for me, I, I wasn’t, um, adventures for me as a kid were more out into the bush and, and, um, you know, climbing mountains and, you know, paddling up rivers and fishing for, you know, weeks on end. So, you know, casual drug use was never in my sort of, you know, my teenage years for sure. So it was, it was certainly didn’t come at it at, um, you know, at it from that angle. And to be honest, I I never looked at it like that, you know, for me, you know, part of, you know, looking at, you know, plant medicine and, and you know, other, you know, experiences, you know, alternate experiences through some of those, you know, journeys for me have, have again been about getting to know myself more deeper in different ways. But, you know, there hasn’t been a year go by for, since I was 19 that I haven’t, uh, done a self-development course or read a book or been involved in something.

Jason (00:36:02):
Wow. You know, I shout out to one of my best mates when I was 19, um, in the Air Force, Warren Banbridge. And, um, uh, he, he gave me a book, Is he, his parents were, um, diamond distributors in Amway, like, you know, back in the day, right? This was the, like the, the echelon. I didn’t even know what Amway was. And, um, but he gave me a book called How to Win Friends and Influence People. And, um, uh, I, um, I read it and it was just mind blowing, like growing up in the country, you know, really not enjoying school in any way, shape or form, but this book, it was like, wow, this is so cool. Right? Um, and, um, yeah, just started my journey there. There has not been a a a year go by that I haven’t been always learning, always exper ex experiencing, you know, et cetera, cetera.

Jason (00:36:56):
And I, and I think part of it was this exposure to Ika and, you know, some of the plant medicines, A good buddy of mine, um, you know, has been, you know, uh, working in that space for a while. And, you know, I knew that he was there and I reached out to him and I, and I, because we, we talked deeply all the time. And I said, I think it’s time I’m, I’m being called, you know, um, um, for stuff. And I was, it was, uh, it was five years ago, my first medicine, um, journey. And, uh, I, I just felt a little bit funky on the edges, um, after a decade, a decade after the GFC and, um, you know, or close to a decade after the gfc. And you know, it, you know, it took me like I said, four or five years to feel like the real me again, you know, after some pretty significant, you know, um, impacts.

Jason (00:37:50):
And then kind of, you know, I just didn’t feel, you know, 80, 90%, you know, I just, there was always these little edgy triggers on the, on the edge. Like I’ve, I’ve talked about this a few times with my team, you know, I used to grind my teeth right? Grind my teeth. And it was one of these things that I remember I started doing just after the gfc cuz I felt always stressed and I’d be, yeah. Like, so where do you hold, where do you hold it? You know? And always had this kind of weird knot in my gap, you know, It’s like I was ho grinding my jaw and this weird knot in my gut, you know? And, and cause I read a lot of stuff like, you know, you got, you and I chatted about, you know, and like, okay, well there’s something that I’m missing here.

Jason (00:38:36):
I I just, you know, what, what’s a different way coming at this? And, and that was where, you know, my first, you know, calling to, you know, work with Ika and you know, I’ve, I’ve had, you know, I’ve sat with it four times. Um, like you said, it’s no, it’s no joke. It’s not something to think about, Hey, you know, let’s get our mates together on the weekend and have a good time. You know, we’ve, we, we’ve got an amazing, amazing, um, charon and, um, you know, what an experience, what, what a way to melt into yourself and, and, um, you know, experience the world really differently, you know? And, and, um, it was only, yeah. Very, very positive outcome for me. You know, through, through those guided, you know, experiences.

Guy (00:39:20):
How, how would you, how would you describe it to someone? Let’s say like, if you take it <laugh>, I gotta ask these questions, right? Yeah. Cause, you know, cause there’ll be a lot of people now with be breath going, Oh my God. Because people reach out to me all the time saying, Where can I go? Like, you know, I’ve only done it, um, um, once, you know. But, um, can you take back to that first journey, how you were feeling before you, just, before you went in, when you drank the medicine with it, particular things revealed, you know?

Jason (00:39:52):
Yeah. Certainly my, my first experience. Um, and, um, I’ve got some notes somewhere actually, but, um, you know, again, I said at the start, I’m quite an adventurous, so, you know, like, it was kind of like, like I’m always open to things and, you know, a few people that I know hate the idea of losing control, right? So, you know, I’m like, whatever. Like, like I, I understand and I know that, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s an experience, you know, And there will be some things happen and come out of it. And again, it’ll be my job to sort of make some meaning out of them, right? I’m not letting something else make the meaning for me. I’m going, Wow, okay. How can I interpret that and fit it into my kind of my own rhetoric, let’s say? You know? So you, you gotta be your own orator of the story, you know, you’ve gotta be the reader of the book.

Jason (00:40:41):
Um, but yeah, no, listen, you know, my first experience, um, was certainly, um, a lot to do with some of the baggage and the trauma that came from some of the experiences around the gfc. You know, um, I, we could probably spend hours, you know, around the camp via talking about the details of them. But, you know, my experience was with some business partners that did the wrong thing, left me with all of the, all of the damage, you know, and the reputational issues and the financial issues and, you know, they pissed off somewhere else and, you know, dodged every bullet, you know, that, that, you know, I, I was, you know, taking so a lot of that baggage, you know, um, was there. And I, I really needed to sort of clear that stuff emotionally, you know, I’m quite, I’m quite good mentally in my mental game, but like, you would know doing the work that you do, you can be strong in your mind, but, you know, you can’t avoid where that stuff gets tucked away emotionally and physically in your body. Right? It it, and if you, if you avoid it, it, it just stays there. It’s gotta get that with, at some point, <laugh>.

Guy (00:41:53):
Exactly. It’s like a prone mate that gets thrown down the couch and, and one day it’s gonna, it’s gonna be stinky <laugh>. Yeah. It’s gonna be stinky without a doubt, you know? And, um, but, but what I’m hearing, mate, and what I love is like the openness and it’s almost like not having the expectations. So many people come to our work or, or go to something expecting something to just get fixed and, and almost push, push it and associate the meaning to it even before it’s happened. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And, you know, you seem to surrender into these things very easily.

Jason (00:42:30):
It’s the right word. You surrender into it, you surrender into it. Um, and I, and, and one of the things that I, that I’ve, I’ve learnt, um, and it wasn’t just there is, is that the integration of an experience takes time to, to fully settle. Um, so don’t be in any rush to, you know, um, make meaning out of it, you know, the day after or whatever it is, you know. Um, so, and I think, you know, you can continue to rewrite what those things mean and, and make them mean, you know, something as you go along. And so, yeah, for me, uh, you know, other than some of the, um, you know, the, the, the potential, um, you know, bibs and bobs on, on the nights and whatever, which is, you know, that that’s just the machinations of having any experience, you know, it was very, very, you know, um, powerful for me, the experience that I had. Um, you know, and, and to, you know, a little anecdote, we, you know, we did these, um, cards. What, what are those cards where you go? Um, you know, they, they’re all, you know, the, uh, you know, fortune tele cards or whatever they are, you know? Yeah,

Guy (00:43:45):
I know. Exactly. I wouldn’t have card. Yeah, that’s

Jason (00:43:47):
It. So, you know, we had two sittings, one in the evening and one the next day. And, you know, out of 150 cards, I chose the same card twice, Right? So I’m like, Oh, that’s pretty cool. And, you know, and so, you know, um, for me, I think you just, you, you, you are a surrender into the experience, you know, allow the, allow the meaning to mature and, you know, and, and make sure that, um, you know, you don’t, you know, you don’t get too stressed about it. That that’s how I approach those sort things. But certainly on the science side, you know, I, I’m a bit of a science guy as well. I love sort of details and data and I read a heap of books and, and information and science about the whole thing. You know, the default mode network in your brain and a hard reset and all this sort of stuff.

Jason (00:44:33):
And cuz what I was experiencing I wanted to know about as well as be in charge of making the meaning. So that, that’s what I’ve always, I think I’ve always done that pretty well. I’m, I’m very happy to be fufu and spiritual, but I’m, I’m as equally happy to be scientific and exact and factual. I like, I liked having, I like having two of those balls to juggle at the same time, you know? So, um, um, yeah, it, and a lot of the science is fantastic in it too, you know, really interesting stuff, you know? So, um, Yeah. Yeah. There you go.

Guy (00:45:06):
Yeah, yeah. No, totally. Even, um, Gaba Marte speaks about it a lot as well, who I had on the podcast last year, you know, and, and the benefits of all these different tools that allow us to, um, start to reconnect to aspects of ourselves that we might not have felt or known is available to us, you know? And, and if we can then take that information and that wisdom from it and actually allow us to show a better in our daily life, that’s, that’s where, um, it’s most important. You know, I think listening to your talk, Jason, and, and reflect on my own life, all this kind of work has led led more into more peace within myself. Yeah. Which then, which then allows me to surrender into what is more Yeah. Which then the foos, you know, the, the, the stress and the drive and the push constantly. It’s like, well, why are we doing that in the first place? And, and how’s it gonna show up in our life now? You know, That for me is the most important thing now. Yeah. You know, as, as we move forward mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Jason (00:46:08):
Yeah. It’s an interesting one, isn’t it, with, um, with that there’s this kind of, you know, putting your choosing to put yourself under some, some pressure and stress for a good reason. For me, I, I, I’ve always, I’ve always, I always thought it’s been great for me. It’s, it’s the pressure and stress that you don’t choose as the stuff that you really don’t enjoy. Um, and so, you know, part of my psyche is to say, Well, just, if you don’t get out ahead of it and choose the pressure and stresses that you want, choose the ones that you want and you think are gonna get, you know, get an experience, get some fun, get some outcome for you, then that someone else is gonna make you do them. Like you can’t avoid it. <laugh>, you know, it’s a so, so, so, you know, get out there and choose first and, and, you know, pursue something for, for whatever reason, whatever drives you, you know, um, whatever fires you up, you know, even if it’s short term, you know? Yeah. You, you be in charge of it rather than it being forced upon you. And, um, I think for me, that’s why I’m not stressed. Like I, I just get in charge of what I’m doing all the time. Um, it drove my parents insane, drove all my teachers insane, but it served me pretty well entrepreneurial so far. So I think I’m okay with it. Yeah.

Guy (00:47:27):
You’re doing mate, give you that much. Jesus. So like with, you talked about, um, one thing I wanted to touch on as well is, is health. And cuz I know you, you’re very passionate about that as well and looking after yourself. Yeah. And you know, if you are learning something each year, like what if you, all that wisdom, all those teachings and everything that you’ve come to this brought you to this point. Like what does your morning look like then? Like, do you, <laugh> do you, are there specific hacks that you do or things that you’ve found that support you mentally, emotionally, physically, you know, spiritually, whatever that is? How, how, how does it look these days for you, mate?

Jason (00:48:08):
Yeah, well listen, um, I, you know, in, in earlier probably five years or earlier ago, um, you know, part of that was, you know, uh, mornings were up early, you know, having a shake, whatever, those sorts of things, you know. But, you know, the last five years, one of the best things that I’ve been doing, which I, which I think has been fantastic, is, you know, the, the, the fasting, the 16 and eight. Um, and, um, it’s been just the easiest thing to integrate in my life. And it just, it’s easy. It just stays there for me now. So, you know, um, I don’t eat until, you know, one or two o’clock depending on when I finished eating the, the other day, you know, um, drink a lot of water. Um, in the mornings I do have a black coffee, which, which doesn’t interfere with it, you know, I like my coffee, so I’m still able to have a coffee in the morning and fast.

Jason (00:48:59):
So that was important for, for one of my sort of, you know, high performance things. But, um, you know, that one for me, I think right now is the biggest impact for me in my wellness, you know, mentally and physically. Um, and the other thing that, um, you know, I weaved back in as kind of like first big rock in rather than last in. And I think many of us as parents, um, get rid of our own personal exercise, um, when we become parents, um, and kind of put it in last. But I’ve, you know, I, I’ve put back, so, you know, three days a week, um, I exercise and, and two of those are doing something that I love, which is climbing. Um, not only am I staying physically fit, but I, it’s something I really love doing. Uh, and then, you know, literally after this, I’m, I’m off to my, um, my trainer and we do some special exercises for making sure I don’t hurt myself as I get a little bit more mature in life, just make sure my shoulders and arms and flexibility and stuff. So, you know, for me it’s those two big rocks, uh, I, I think have had, have had a massive impact in the last five years, moving and doing something you enjoy regularly. And it goes in first, not in last. Um, and just this fasting, it’s much easier for me than trying to think about what I’m eating. It’s just like, don’t eat as much and eat it in a period of time and you can almost kind of eat anything to be honest. So those two have been great for me and I stick with them.

Guy (00:50:27):
Yeah. Fantastic. The, um, the fasting, Yeah. I’ve introduced, uh, quite a number of years off and on, but more religiously the last six months or so, like that, that very thing, squeezing everything into an eight eight hour window where you eat, they still eat the same amount of food. Yeah. You know, and, um, I was blown away. Um, there’s, there’s a great, you probably, I’m sure you’re aware of him, but David Sinclair, I believe his name is, he’s got a book Lifespan, that’s it, where I think he’s been studying himself since his early thirties. He’s now in his fifties. So he is got a laboratory and he’s been studying his bloods in the effects of, uh, um, sis, which is used in stress to heal stress Yeah. Essentially within the body. And, uh, yeah, it’s fascinating stuff. Yeah.

Jason (00:51:11):
And it’s,

Guy (00:51:13):
It’s definitely worth exploring if, if you’re not, you know,

Jason (00:51:18):
No, well, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll have a bit of a sticky at that one. And, and the other couple too. I think, you know, for me, you know, um, the, the idea that, you know, you know, an hour ago just before I had a little 10 minute nap, like I, I’ll have a 10 minute nap every second day. Um, you know, I’ll lay down either on the floor or somewhere and, um, you know, put a, uh, an eye mask on and turn on a guided meditation that, that takes 10 minutes. I’ve done that for ever in a day. That’s been amazing to handle stress. Like, it just been fantastic, you know? Um, so, so good. Uh, when it comes to, you know, those sorts of things, and then, you know, of late, of late, one of the things that I realized when now, and I, and I can’t speak for the ladies, and maybe this is not even the right way to say it, but when I found myself, you know, in the gfc, because I, I was having some dark times and I really didn’t like, like I was reviewing who I thought I was as a person, I pushed everyone away from me.

Jason (00:52:23):
Like, I just, I kept friends and people away. So I, I literally didn’t have friends, Like, we didn’t have relationships and, you know, conversations because I, I just felt probably at that point if, you know, if I’m honest, probably didn’t deserve them, you know, or I didn’t want them, or I didn’t want anyone to know me. Like it was a dark time of who I thought I was. So, you know, the last seven or eight years, I’ve, I’ve really made an effort and it’s a, I’ve had to make an effort because I’ve turned into a bit of a hermit, um, to, to, to have friends regularly talking, hanging out with them and stuff like that. So, you know, um, I think that one’s, uh, you know, I haven’t mastered it yet, but certainly one in progress. And certainly I, I see the benefits of it often because, you know, I can call up and chat to a friend, you know, was really nice, you know, so, Yeah. Right.

Guy (00:53:08):
That I’m so glad you, you said that. As we kind of wrap up the podcast, the, um, the, I dunno if you hear, but there was a Harvard study, uh, they studied men for, I think through the whole lifespan, um, up until their eighties. And it, the, the study finished about 10 years ago, and they wanted to know the number one key to happiness. So they studied a, uh, hundreds of men or whatever it was. And the number one key to happiness was connection. Mm. And it was the friendships that were made and the bonds that were formed, and, and yeah, being able to connect and having the right environment to support that, you know, where life looks is so much nicer, isn’t it? When, when it’s like shared over a glass of wine or something when you’re having a really deep and meaningful with, with good people

Jason (00:53:52):
Absolutely. Yeah. And I think, you know, I think, um, one of the things I, I, I did a bit of this stuff earlier in my life, but you know, I’ve had a few, uh, mentors of recent times. You know, um, Anna Rubenstein comes to mind. He’s down your way, Anna. Beautiful fellow, you know, it doesn’t get talked about that much, but men, men having great relationships with other men, the love of other men in the right way is so important for us as men. And you know, I, I know a lot of high performing men who mentally and emotionally isolate themselves, you know, for, for some reasons. And, you know, who certainly was doing me some damage. And, and I, I noticed it and, you know, I got some great, some great relationships now with some great people. And you know, if anyone’s there sitting there right now going, you know, yeah, that’s me.

Jason (00:54:47):
You know, I remember having this thing and I remember repeating it in my mind, you know, it’s lonely at the top and that’s just how he likes it, you know? Um, and then I was like, Fuck, that’s dysfunctional, isn’t it? Like, you know, you know what I mean? <laugh>. Yeah. Um, so we do, we do have to be brave to risk those relationships, you know, because sometimes we avoid them because we feel like we’re gonna be let down or let others down. So, you know, I’m, I’m trying to be braver in that space and, and uh, for the moment it’s working out. So, you know, <laugh>

Guy (00:55:18):
Clearly. Yeah. Yeah. Totally, totally mate to, to put a bow in this, uh, conversation today cuz we’ve, we’ve, we’ve covered a lot of ground. You know, we started off with money and going into Bloody I Oscar and background and connections and everything. Just to tie it back up, like what would you say to somebody listening to this today that might be struggling financially? They might be feeling they’re in a bit of a whole, like any, any tips or things that would support one as they slowly move, move forward in life, You know, Cause I think indecision is the worst decision of all, isn’t it? We quite often sit in that Yeah. For some time.

Jason (00:55:56):
Yeah. If, if, if we’re sort of talking about money and people, you know, feeling a bit overwhelmed with it, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> or maybe, you know, um, couple of things. You don’t have to know everything to get ahead with money and um, there’s a concept called pay yourself first, right? Uh, and in business there’s a concept called Profit First. There’s actually an awesome book called Profit First. Um, but if you’re not in business, you can, can do exactly the same thing, um, for um, P A Y G if you’ve got a job, right? Yeah. The best thing to do, guy, if you make a thousand dollars a week, the moment you get that thousand dollars, you put $200 in a bank account you’re never gonna touch. And then you just deal with life with the rest of it. 800 bucks, right? If you do that for a year, you will feel so in control at the end of that year.

Jason (00:56:47):
It won’t be funny. You will adjust your life to live on $800, not a thousand dollars. Um, and if, if, if I could say to anyone, you’re feeling overwhelmed. If you just want one tip right now, just take 20% of the net that comes into your bank account or you, you 20% of your net earnings, put it somewhere you won’t touch and maybe reach out to someone who would help you stay accountable to this and, and put two people on a bank account to sign it. It gets away, but then you can’t touch it. And then just learn and adjust your life to live on the other 80%. If you do that for three to nine months, your, you will feel so empowered financially. It won’t be funny. You don’t have to know how to do all the fancy stuff. It’s if you just do the one thing, learn how to pay yourself first and everything else will, will roll from that. Like, I’ve seen it so many times, it’s so powerful when your bank account now is $3,000 a year later and then a year ago you couldn’t even shout me a coffee. Do you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, it’s just one simple thing. Just take it off the top and don’t touch it.

Guy (00:57:53):
Yeah. Love it mate. I wish I had that advice as a young man. I tell you <laugh>. Yeah. Um, last question for you mate, is, um, with everything we’ve covered today, is there anything you’d love to leave the listeners to ponder on?

Jason (00:58:13):
Yeah, it and, and I’ll, I’ll say it from my neck of the woods cuz I say this to people all the time, you know, uh, things to do with money and wealth, take time. There’s no such thing as get rich quick. It’s complete and obsolete bullshit. Um, but what I can tell you is you don’t have to invent Apple or Microsoft to be wealthy either. I say I see like I’ve been doing this for 22 years coaching people, um, and the people I coach have, have been investing, you know, prior to joining me. So I see people who, you know, just some regular folks who don’t earn massive money ending up with, you know, tens of millions of dollars worth of wealth, you know, at age 60 and 70. Um, and I can tell you, you know, it takes a bit of time, have some patience, um, and don’t, don’t for one second get caught up in this get rich quick bullshit cuz it’s absolute rubbish, you know? Um, that’s, it’s a message that I see so much say so much damage out there financially and I’m just like, it doesn’t work, but you know, it does work, you know, getting rich slow. It works really well. I see thousands of examples of that thousands <laugh>,

Guy (00:59:27):
It doesn’t sound so scary either. That’s the, you know, like, yeah, thousand percent. I know the amount of Facebook ads that seem to pop up in my face with some young kid in front of a Ferrari mate, like, come on. Yeah. But, um, yeah, no, beautiful. And look, if people are listening to this and they wanna explore what you teach and what you, what you do, Jason or where can I send them? Where’s the best place?

Jason (00:59:49):
Uh, track down the positive real estate website. We do have a Facebook, um, page and a YouTube channel under the same name. Positive Real Estate TV on YouTube, you know, positive real estate on Facebook and the website. We, we’ve got heaps of free education content. I do videos all the time and all sorts of stuff. So if you wanna sort of get to know us from afar, you know, go and have a listen to what we’ve got to say. So yeah, there you

Guy (01:00:13):
Go. You’ve got a coffee or a glass of wine in your hand, that’s

Jason (01:00:17):
Day. Yeah, exactly. And I took a tip outta Marcus Pierce’s, uh, book when he did the, you know, study and the oldest people in the world and said like most of them had a, had a, had a glass of wine every now and then anyway. So I’m like, oh well that’s fine. <laugh>.

Guy (01:00:32):
<laugh>. Exactly. Well, for anyone listening, the links would be in the show notes, whether you’re watching this on YouTube or Spotify, iTunes, everything will uh, be below if you wanna check out Jason and all his work. That’s good. Jason, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. Absolutely love this conversation mate. You have a huge heart. What you’re doing is incredible and um, yeah, I just feel honored to have you on and be able to share this with the audience. I listen to my podcast. It’s, uh, much appreciated mate.

Jason (01:00:59):
Ah, thank you. Thanks for, thanks for having me.

Guy (01:01:01):
You’re welcome. Thanks Jason. Cheers.