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#81 My awesome guest this week is Nick Jane Stanton.
She’s been on quite a journey. From submersing herself in the self-help industry forever ten years, she still found herself depressed and lonely. Three years ago she then went to a Dr Joe Dispenza workshop where she started practicing meditation.
From then she started to truly practice the art of meditation and is now experiencing more joy, happiness, love, and appreciation than ever. She joined Let It In last year and we catch up to chat about her journey. Enjoy!
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Guy: Hi, I’m Guy Lawrence and you are listening to the Guy Lawrence podcast. If you’re enjoying this content and you want to find out more and join me and come further down the rabbit hole, make sure you head back to the guylawrence.com.au. Awesome guys. Enjoy the show.
Guy: Nicki, we’re live, thank you for coming on Member Spotlight.
Nicki: Thank you very much. It’s a privilege to be here, though I must admit there was a few little underlying old stories of unworthiness, but I am, it’s a pleasure to be here. Thank you so much for asking me.
Guy: Well, it’s awesome. I’ve been, I’ve been excited to, um, to get you on and chat so everyone can listen to this afterwards and tap into your own journey, experience, wisdom, teachings, you name it. And uh, I, I’ll, I’ll start off like I start with everyone, and if a stranger stopped you on the street and asked you what you did for a living right now, what would you say?
Nicki: Um, I, uh, do heavy duty analysis and data. So I, I, yeah, I’m a modeler for, um, the government in the UK.
Guy: Beautiful, beautiful.
Nicki: A numbers Geek. I guess is the answer to that question.
Guy: Does that mean you have a very analytical left brain mind?
Nicki: Absolutely. Um, yeah. And uh, we can, I don’t know if we can talk about what I want to do with that in the future, but currently my current reality is that, um, I love numbers and I play with data and simulations.
Guy: Wow. Wow. I wish I could actually have a piece of that and embed it in my mind, in my brain because it doesn’t work very well like that, sadly.
Nicki: Oh yeah no, anyone can do it. It’s just uh, I think everybody has to have a bit of an old story of not liking maths when they were kids. And that’s a, yeah, I just seem to mesh with that side of thinking. Um, but actually that was part of my journey. I kind of had to overcome that, um, that I used or use that left part of my brain as, as a strength for so long that I didn’t always, um, address like the right side, and that’s why coming to this work has been such a gift for me, personally.
Guy: Yeah, that’s beautiful. And how would you like, for anyone listening to this, because obviously this is streaming for the members, but people will end up listening to this outside of that later down the track as well. And how would you describe the work?
Nicki: Okay, so the work is kind of tap, basically tapping into all aspects of your mind and your brain and your thoughts and you’re just basically slowing yourself down, being able to catch all the negative voices in your head, I would say. Um, and, and just pause and be able to be able to notice them all…um, and that’s just been an absolute game changer for me. It’s funny, the journey’s been, there’s been so much on the journey and new shit and um, just have, I wasn’t worthy and I didn’t deserve happiness and anything like that. So, um, so yeah. And now I am just so happy and so grateful to be here. It’s a wonderful, wonderful world we live in. So that’s it really.
Guy: …a little bit of that dropped out halfway through then, but I’m okay with the Internet, but that’s okay. What led you to start looking at this work? What were you sort of, what was your first sort of interaction, curiosity with it?
Nicki: Um, well, so I’ve always been interested in personal development. Um, I kind of started reading books on how to better myself probably since I was a teenager, and my mom used to really tease me about I should be perfect by now. So I guess I was always fascinated by human psychology. Um, and but I, I kept reading all these books and it was great to read them as, as you well know. Um, but I, I just never seem to be able to apply the principles for very long and then I get really frustrated with myself. Um, but I was always interested in psychology and human interaction. Um, so that’s, that’s how I kind of started. The seed was planted quite young. Um, and then I, uh, I did engineering at university, did that for a couple of years and joined the Royal Air Force in the military um, when I was in my twenties.
Nicki: And then I was always wanting to do, um, you know, well for the world, I wanted to serve, if you know what I mean. But then, uh, yeah, over time, um, uh, I just became more and more dissatisfied that I didn’t really feel any purpose in my life. And then usually what happens, I think with everybody in, in their 30s and forties is they start to get this sort of calling that there’s something bigger going on. So I actually left the military because I was quite dissatisfied with, with the work and the purpose of, of what we were doing after having a great few years. But, um, I then started my own business. Um, but that’s when I was then suddenly spending a lot of time on my own. Um, and I was trying to sell, I didn’t really know what I was trying to do.
Nicki: Basically. I was just in a complete chaos loop. And I think I spent, I got into the whole Internet marketing racket, um, which was, which was it, which was a journey and it’s just a process that I needed to go through. But essentially I was spending a lot of time at home on my own. Um, and I just got stuck in all my, my negative thoughts. I mean, I made some money and I managed to do some things, but I, I think I just pretty much spent three, four years, um, just banging my head against the brick wall, trying to make something work, uh, trying to better myself. Um, but just continuously failing. I, I, I spent lots of money on personal development courses. I did ….the Tony Robbins stuff, which was great, but I, it’s an amazing experience. Just nothing ever seemed to be long lasting.
Nicki: Um, so I guess I got to this point where I was just so low. Um, and I didn’t tell my, uh, my friends and family what was going on because I was sort of the brave strong one and I was playing this game of having, of being okay and happy all the time. Um, and then it was actually, um, my sister Carla, that, um, suggested, um, she had been to, Joe Dispenza’s workshop and she gave me access to his tools. Um, and I just tried so many different things before, I tried a little bit of meditation. Um, but then it was really only doing some of his processes that I noticed within two weeks, um, it was like the clouds suddenly lifted and I suddenly realized that I’d been spending my entire time just living in a horrible, horrible, negative mind the entire time.
Nicki: And that was my normal existence. I just didn’t even notice my thoughts. Um, so yeah, after two weeks, suddenly it was like, oh, wow, I’m actually feeling better. I have more energy. I think, you know, I just was, it was just an incredible shift. Um, so I mean, because I’d had such a, um, a positive experience with that and, and the changes were lasting, that was like, I was basically addicted to the work in terms of though I was not gonna mess around anymore. And it seemed like a small ask to sit down for an hour every day when I felt that much better and that, that was, um, three years ago now. Exactly. Next month. Um, and yeah, and here we are.
Guy: It’s a journey. Right? I did. Do you think you, if you hadn’t had that low point, um, you probably wouldn’t have looked at the work? Like, did you have to break down and breakthrough?
Nicki: Yeah, definitely. Um, I, so I, I was aware of him, his work, um, and, uh, similar teachers, um, a couple of years beforehand. But I feel like with me, because, um, I, I suppose I’m quite stubborn person. Um, I think I really had to, I mean, it was pretty bad at certain points, but you just get through it. But I think, I think I really had to be as low as I could possibly get. And just so, so sick of my situation. That was when I needed, um, to I need to get to that place. The breakthrough. Yeah.
Guy: Yeah. Okay. And Cause I’ll just reference for everyone as well. Cause uh, your sister Carla Stanton has been on my podcast last year. Yeah. Yeah. And uh, so I’d highly encourage everyone to go and check, check that out. But I believe were you seeing, cause it’s very difficult to tell family members or to tell anyone, you, you know, you really should do this work, you should look at this. And yeah, and especially if we’re, you know, cause it’s such an internal approach and I know I have with all the members in Let It In, like quite often they’re on their own little solo journey and they’re coming together in here for the community, but there’s so many people around us that we want to help and go, hey guys, check this out. You know? Yeah, absolutely. And were you seeing the changes in Carla? Is that what was like leading a few or was it just, you hadn’t even noticed that ’cause you were sort of stuck in your own pain?
Nicki: No, I, I think, um, what we’ve always, uh, we, we’ve been quite close in our adult life anyway. Um, and uh, I gave her a free ticket to Tony Robbins and which I didn’t think she was going to go to and then she went to that after me. And then I guess as a result of that, it was like me and her were the only ones in the family that could talk about, um, positive psychology, uh, where’s the rest of the family were kind of like talking about it with them. Um, I, I’d say Carla, I mean Carla was a huge influence obviously, because suddenly I had a buddy to be able to talk about this stuff with, um, and then we were kind of in it together basically for the long haul. And then she started to discover other things. So I guess, yeah, we were, we were teammates and, uh, I saw some great changes in her. So, um, so yeah, that’s how it all started. Okay. And, uh, yeah, I can’t imagine life without it now.
Guy: Yeah. I, I know what you mean. So, um, let’s, I, I wanna keep chipping away. What are, what attracted, what attracted you to joining then Let It In because you, you’ve been with, you’ve been here awhile now, haven’t you?
Nicki: Yeah, yeah. I think it’s the beginning of the year, I think. Um, but it’s, it’s really lovely to go to these big retreats, but there’s never, there’s not really, unless you really work hard, there’s not really the opportunity to have so much of the local community involved afterwards. So that’s sort of something that once sums up one of the things you miss after going to a big event like that, um, is you don’t have any one to sort of chat to or, or sharing experiences. Um, or you can have groups, but sometimes they fade away. So, um, your, yeah, it came along just at the right time, really, basically, because as you said, you know, it’s just, it’s good to have a community of other people who are doing the same things. And you’re able to freely share and also having the regular, um, healings and, um, sharing in master courses.
Nicki: It’s just, it’s, it’s a good, it stops you going back into your own head space again, too much. And we need to keep checking in with other people who are doing, who have similar core beliefs and values. And so it just keeps you on the right track to be sort of reminded, you know, you’re not the only one because obviously we all veer off the path now and again, um, and then it’s just good to be inspired by what other people’s journeys are. Um, so it seemed like a perfect opportunity really to get involved with the community, um, this doing all that kind of stuff. So thank you very much.
Guy: Well, look, no, it’s beautiful. It keeps me accountable as well, you know, because yeah, without that, those, those checking points, you know, we can get caught up in our day or our stresses and go, Oh, you know, and, and we have to let all that go, you know? And then when we jump in on, cause you talked about the healing, which is the, the group intentions we do. Where’s it, where were you on Jim’s last Thursday? I can’t remember if that, no, no. I was away last weekend so I can, yeah, cause I know you’re in the UK, but it’s, it’s such a beautiful process to, to feel that. And uh, I was only saying to someone the other day that, um, one of the guys jumped on this and felt that energy and that experience and, and this embodied feeling and he’d never felt that before and he’d only been meditating for a month or whatever it might be. You know, and it’s very new and, and I think it’s so unique to be able to have those reference points cause that’s where we get hungry for more. Right.
Nicki: Oh definitely. Yeah. Yeah. It’s really incredible. What you’ve done is, is being able to actually, in some cases I understand people who are quite novice in the work and then there’s a really incredible, um, sensation that you get just by joining the call. And also the fact that, well for me, I’m in the UK and you guys are mostly based in Australia, some other places, that you can get that sensation as, as you know, a relative beginner. That’s incredible. Um, what you’ve managed to do. So.
Guy: Yes. Thanks. You can we, can you, can you remember your first kind of experience with meditation when you went, Oh my God, that’s, there’s more to this, cause you mentioned about a fog slowly lifting after a few weeks. Yes. Yeah. But that, I think that’s only like the tip of the iceberg with this work.
Nicki: Definitely. Yeah. Um, I think, yeah, I, it was probably another because I, I do struggle turning off my analytical brain. Um, that was probably another six months, seven months or so before I started to get real deep feelings of love, uh, flowing through me and other sensations and sort of realizing that there was a lot more going on than just, what I was just, just came to because I wanted to clear my, my own headspace. But when you start to realize there’s some crazy connection type stuff going on with all sorts of other… I don’t know, uh, waves and energies and beings in the universe, then you start going, oh my goodness, this, this is not, sometimes it’s quite scary. You think I didn’t, I, this isn’t quite why I started doing the work in first place because, um, it is like a rabbit hole and the further you go down, the more you realize, oh, there’s so much more to know. So yeah, it took me about seven months before I started to get like real sensations in my heart. And I think also because, I mean I’ve been single for 10 years. I was very sort of, um, tied down and repressed of in a lot of ways emotionally. Um, uh, yeah, it’s it a while to kind of break through all of that, um, stuff as well. So, um, but yeah. Yeah.
Guy: What surprised you the most about this work?
Nicki: Uh, probably, um I guess how crazy it is and when, when you start introducing quantum elements, because I’ve always been such a local, sorry, a logical thinker with my engineering training and doing analysis stuff. Um, your, yeah, my left brain is so well trained, so to start introducing crazy sort of chaos concepts, that’s been the most surprising thing and the fact that you can have an effect on somebody which is nonlocal and it’s nonlinear to me, that’s completely blown my mind. Um, so yeah, that’s been the most surprising thing and, and how deep you can go and how much better you can get at it as well.
Guy: Oh, totally, totally. I am, what I was going to, sorry, I, a chat just came in, Joanne says, hi. Hey Joanne. Um, because I’ve got this tiny little laptop screen and I’ve got everything going on. I’m like, oh my God, I just focus on the interview Guy, focus on the interview. It Um, what with the, with that in mind, what’s been then your biggest challenge with this work?
Nicki: I think for me, it’s an ongoing challenge of turning off my analytical brain because I still, I still even now a good few years in, I mean I can have some amazing meditations one day and then the next day I realize I’m 45 minutes in and I’m still imagining having a conversation with my boss. I just, and then, and then once I notice that I’ve got to the stage now where I’m, I used to, uh, judge myself for it and go, oh my God, yes, you should be so much better at work than this. And now, um, and I think it took probably a year or two to be able to see this. You just go, Oh, you’ve done it again. That’s okay. Just push that thought away. And so, yeah, I’ve been very judgmental in the past, so it’s turning off the analytical mind, and then not judging myself when I make a mistake. That’s, that’s the, that’s been the biggest, um, learning and then, its just learning patience. So accept that you are gonna do this, not a straight line. There’s no straight lines in nature. So, why would this be any different?
Guy: Totally. With the, and this is one thing I always really try and catch myself and bring myself back to, and I want to ask you this is, you know, with your, your struggle, cause it’s like you said, you’re a, you’re a go getter, you’re internet marketing, you were doing self-development. I went through the whole journey. Like I was stock trading for three and a half years up till three o’clock in the morning with my eyes. Like I’m gonna make this work, I’m gonna make this work. And the work, everything else was on standby. It cost me money, relationships, friendships, everything. Yeah. Like I was just lost and I was just getting in a bigger, bigger hole. And, but the, there was a moment where I finally let it go and I could feel my body letting it go. And I always try and come back now to just today, 24 hours. Yes, I have visions, I have dreams, I have goals. But at the same time, there’s a, there’s like this part of me that wants to go, like jump on this wild horse and just, you know, push, push, push. But then there’s another part of me now that’s like, you know, life’s beautiful. The sunshine in the ocean, that’s around the corner. Yeah. Slow it down. Like how much have you moved from that to acceptance to try to allow life to happen but with direction, if that makes sense.
Nicki: Yeah. Yeah. Actually. Um, so I would say, oh definitely. Oh, I was, I was about forcing things to happen, um, beforehand and now if anything, I’ve always gone completely other way. Um, and the, I would say I’m so damn happy most of the time. Um, and I, I’ve sort of, I find it quite difficult. So you set the Mind Movie’s challenge and, and I’ve been sort of updating my, mind movie, I quite often find actually planning ahead and goals now a challenge because I’m so happy. And because I played that game for so long, trying to get to somewhere else before I’d be happy. And now I just, just love to enjoy the moment. I sort of start, you know, tinkering with my mind movie, going, do you know what? I don’t really even mind if this doesn’t happen. I’m so happy anyway. Um, and then actually if you’ve lost a bit of what your goals, it’s deflation. So I find it quite a challenge to, to put sort of flags in the sand and plan ahead because I’m so busy just being grateful and happy for where I am now. It’s, but, but at the same time I’m kind of like, I really should be trying to, sometimes some things don’t happen unless you intend for them a little bit. Um, so I’m kind of in that kind of weird space at the moment. Um,
Guy: But who’s right or wrong, right. Anyway, like if you, if, if, if you’re happy, you’re happy like.
Nicki: Absolutely. Yeah. And at the same time, I don’t know whether they should be, there should be a little bit of development, I suppose going on or you should be pushing yourself a little bit into your uncomfort but uh, I don’t know, I’m just taking it at the moment. I’m, I’m in a, a new relationship with a, an amazing man and I’ve got a new job and a promotion and I’m just, I’ve just so lucky and so happy. I’m just kind of basking in the glory of the present moment at the moment. And uh, and then, yeah, at some stage I’ll think, oh, well maybe it’d be good to work up some other goals. There we go.
Guy: That’s beautiful. Well, we often forget to just live. I know that.
Nicki: Yeah.
Guy: You know. If anyone is listening to this, that’s new to the work that might be in a hole struggling, they could be looking at it from, I’m struggling financially, I’m struggling in a relationship. I’m struggling with my career, you know, oh my God. And, and I’ve certainly, you know, what would you, not that you can, not, not so much advice, but what would you say to someone like that that is just slowly embarking into this world for the first time?
Nicki: Um, I think, I think the biggest thing is for me certainly is that if you keep trying really, really hard to make things work. Um, then you do end up in the loop of bashing your head against a brick wall, um, and it just shouldn’t be that difficult. And if it is that difficult, then you just need to pause and take some deep breaths, um, and get out in nature and try to look for ways to, to catch yourself when you get into that, it’s not working, it’s not working. Life’s rubbish, and, and getting into that spiral is the first step is just recognizing when you get into trying too hard and then, yeah, go for a walk in nature and try and connect or spend some time with your kids or someone you love or go and play with some kids or some thing, something that’s just gonna, or your dog gonna take you out of your negativity.
Nicki: Um, and that’s kind of what meditation and everything does for you in the first place, doesn’t it? It’s just, it’s maybe an a more structured way, I guess, catching yourself ’cause it, it just shouldn’t be that hard. And anytime anything wonderful has happened, it’s been because, uh, to, to for me it’s been because, I mean I might have worked hard for it, but then I’ve, I’ve not been attached to it. If I’m attached to it, it rarely ever happens. So, um, yeah, somehow working on getting rid of the attachment, that it’s a play, it’s a big play area, you just have to experiment with it and it does come right. Absolutely.
Guy: Hence why we practice and sit down and do the meditations in the first place.
Nicki: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Guy: How often, what time? Like talk us through, what time do you get up in the morning to do your meditation? Is it you, you meditate in the morning?
Nicki: Yeah. Um, yes. Uh, so for me, um, the morning is best. Um, I find if I do it, I’m a morning person anyway. If I do it at night, I tend to, um, just end up lying down, falling asleep. So although I have, have experimented with the evenings and I do seem to get some more interesting when I do honestly interesting meditation sometimes. But, um, I, there’s actually a group, I tend to join now in the mainland area of Europe who does a call, a zoom call at 5:00 AM, which is 4:00 AM for me. So I, I tend to get up and meditate with them ’cause it’s always more powerful doing it in a group. And then I’ll, I’ll go back to sleep for a little for, for a little bit and then wake up and then just do a very quick one. Um, usually, um, or sometimes I’ll just do one to two hours just on my own. Um, but I, I like to, I like to mix up the routine a little bit sometimes just because it’s, Um, and it’s, it’s quite good to play around with your, your sleep and your dream cycles as well. A little bit as well, I find. Um, because then you can have some quite crazy profound dreams and yeah.
Guy: I, I quite often find myself doing a 4am meditation only because I’ll wake up sometimes and I just, and then I’ll, I’ll actually just meditate as opposed to going back to sleep when it can be very powerful, you know? Um, so, okay, let me, I’m just trying to position this for everyone. Like if you don’t meditate for three or four days, do you notice it?
Nicki: Oh my God. So I’ve, I must, yeah, I have to say I’ve been in this little bubble of being completely loved up in my new relationship and I’ve got my promotion work and that’s all great. And I actually was cocky enough to think, oh, life’s wonderful. You know, I actually don’t need to meditate or I just, it just slips off my to do list for, um, actually even a couple of weeks, which is, um, which is what I’ve never ever done. And then I started to notice that I wasn’t actually as appreciative or as grateful as I should be, even though our, all these amazing, these amazing things that happened to me. And then I suddenly realize, oh, hang on a minute, I’ve just got out of a habit for a couple of weeks of meditating. And then as soon as I did it once or twice, I was like straight back in there.
Nicki: So it’s amazing how quickly, um, your negative thoughts and the weeds start to come back in. Um, and also just how crazy silly your brain. Like, oh, why did it take me so long to notice that, it should have been so obvious that because, um, my, I guess a little bit of my ego, which is always a bit of a wrestle isn’t, it was just going, no, everything’s fine. Just carry on. Enjoying the bliss but oh yeah. It’s must, it just, you have to keep coming, but then again, don’t judge yourself. Just come back. Exactly. Yeah. And then happy days. Okay.
Guy: Is it worth the effort?
Nicki: Oh my God, yes. I can’t, I am such a different person, but my, where I was, oh, I was in a horrendous suicidal thoughts permanently and loads of that, really unhappy. Um, or I just, I, I don’t think I could constantly living in a pity party and I don’t think I recognize the person now. I’m just like most, in fact, every day I’m just like, wow, I am just so happy. It’s just, yeah, there’s no question. No question at all.
Guy: That’s amazing Nicki. That is absolutely amazing. How would you describe to someone, and I always like to hear different people’s interpretation, like especially if it was a stranger or not heard of this, how would you describe to someone that jumping on an online zoom call, doing a group meditation, making an effort becomes more powerful than on your own?
Nicki: uh, I guess if they, if they are not, if they’re fairly new to meditation and all those sort of concepts? You’d maybe have to draw an example of the fact that when you, when you work, when your office or wherever you work, you can produce a lot more as a team, then you can as a singular entity. Um, generally speaking. So, um, and it’s amazing how much more, I mean, there’s a reason why when you go and listen to, I don’t know, famous bands, there’s a reason why when people sing together and they have harmonies together, it sounds much better. And there’s a whole load more levels than just a solo artist. Um, yes, solo artists still always have backing singers, right? We just can achieve so much more. Um, and if you know, why not just experiment anyway, and see if you notice a difference in the first place because there’s so many more things to learn and so many more layers to familiarize yourself with. Um, just, I mean, just take an experimental approach, I would say, why not?
Guy: Exactly. Why not? Why not? Um, and the last question for you, I love the analogy of the office. Uh, I’ll use that one in a workshop. Um, um, what would you say to someone that’s sitting on the fence listening to this? Maybe they’re, um, maybe they’re debating whether to start giving this ago, whether they don’t believe in it or not, or, or even join, Let It In or, you know, there’s always a cusp where you’re on the, on the fringe.
Nicki: Oh Wow. Well, I would say. If, if, if there’s doubt then, I mean, you, you, you have, you offer such reasonable rates and like it pretty much guaranteed money back guarantee, don’t you? So that should remove any doubt anyway, so I don’t, um, if you’re fully in doubt, then, then it’s not for you. Um, but if there’s something about you that’s thinking, hmm, could that be interesting? Then you literally, there’s no barrier. You could just,
Guy: did you guys know that there’s no barrier. Right. But.. I think it’s human nature to be scared to start looking within cause we’re frightened of about what we’re going to find and what we’re going to reveal. Yeah. Yeah. Now, do you think that effort of getting over that fear and digging into those spots is worth it?
Nicki: Oh, oh yeah, absolutely. Is My god,
Guy: what do we use scared when you started looking at this?
Nicki: Uh, I’ve definitely been, I think initially I was in such a terrible place. I had to do anything. So if I was, it was so overshadowed by the fact that I had, I knew I had to change. Um, but if, uh, but are there other things I’ve found out since, which I have sort of thought I wish had taken the red pill, not the blue pill. Um, but uh, ah, I mean you, it, you’re in complete control. If you dip your toe in and you think, oh, I don’t like that, then just, just take your toe back out. That’s fine and just, but a, I think you will feel so much better about yourself for having had a little play cause you don’t, you don’t want to end up in a few years time thinking, Oh I wonder what would’ve happened if maybe I’d given that ago. I just, uh, I mean you’re in control 100 percent of the whole time. So if, if you, if you don’t enjoy it, step back away and then find something else that you do enjoy. That’s what I would say.
Guy: Yeah, fair enough. I know the life gets busy and for people it does and, but we get busy and doing the same repetitive stuff quite often. That’s, that’s holding us back from evolving in the first place or keeping us chained to that past and, or areas that we, we want to move from right there in that place, isn’t it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Nicki: That’s so much more satisfying to give something else a go.
Guy: 100% and last thing, is there anything you’d like to add to anyone listening to this, of everything that we’ve covered today for everyone to ponder on?
Nicki: Um, I don’t know. I guess I guess I just took, used to take life and myself so damn seriously and even people who meditated to me were just like, had too much time on their hands and uh, we’re missing like, um, do you know what I was everything. Everything should just be a big fun experiment because you can’t fail and I can’t believe I’m saying that now. Um, if, if you, failure is just a perception anyway, so just that, just play around, see what you see, what you like in life and have fun with it. I think, I wish I’d just had some more fun, had been more relaxed, let things go easier when I was younger. I just, that’s my biggest takeaway. Yeah. It should be fun, it’s here to be enjoyed, isn’t it? Right.
Guy: Totally. Well, you’re certainly making up for lost time now. Nikki is absolutely wonderful. Thank you. Saying
Guy: Great. Yeah. I’m so grateful for you coming on the show today. Thank you so much for sharing that with everyone. That was beautiful. Really appreciate it, Nicki.
Nicki: No, no, you know you’re welcome. You’re welcome. All the best, and I’ll see you in the challenge chat and all that kind of business as well, so I’m looking forward to that actually. That’d be great.
Guy: That’d be awesome.
Nicki: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Guy: Thank you.