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Guy (00:12):
We are recording will William, which do you prefer, mate

William (00:17):
Will is fine with me. That sounds great.

Guy (00:19):
I said, well, welcome to the podcast. Will you know, I just realized, um, I’ve gotten to know you over many months now. We’ve nice passed together and I’ve called you will from the start. And then I saw your name typed in as William and I thought, oh, I should double check.

William (00:33):
Yeah, my name, my name always looks when I put my last name there. It always sounds nice. Always looks nicer. William William King, Paul Tucker,

Guy (00:43):
Beautiful New Zealand man. Born and bread.

William (00:45):
Come, come from a huge Maori fam family.

Guy (00:50):
Incredible well welcome. And I always ask everyone will, if, uh, you are sitting next to a stranger, a dinner party and they asked you what you did for a living, what would you say?

William (01:03):
Um, well, I guess the short answer is a sound therapist, but then over the over time I’ve done. So, so many more things with sound. So I probably say sound, I’m a sound nerd sounds nerded

Guy (01:18):
Sounds nerd.

William (01:19):
A sound nerd. I, uh, I’m a musician. I dive into the physics of sound. I dive into the healing of, of sound. I love, I love music theory and everything to do with it. I just, I just love every aspect of sound and neither the healing aspect or the musician aspect has really kind of taken a hold of me yet. So it’s just a sound in general.

Guy (01:48):
Yeah. Amazing. What, what’s the general response you get from people when you say you’re a sound therapist,

William (01:54):
Usually what’s that what’s that or, oh, you mean like the crystal balls and then generally I have to say, well, I actually don’t really use crystal balls in my practice. I use a sound table and then straight you just see a blank look in people’s eyes. And I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about. Then you start trying to explain it. And generally they sort of leave a little bit, uh, almost dumbfounded, like, like they don’t really, they can’t really grasp what I was talking about. Yeah. You have to with the sound tape. Yeah.

Guy (02:33):
Sorry. I was gonna say, sorry, there’s a tiny bit of lag here, but when, um, when do people generally then come to see you? Cause obviously I’ve seen your setup. We had you at the recent three night retreat here in may, uh, 20, 22, just for anyone listening. Um, so at what point are people coming to see you for sound therapy?

William (02:55):
You mean at what point? In their stage?

Guy (02:57):
Yeah. In their journey,

William (02:58):
Especially Don don’t get it.

Guy (03:00):
Yeah.

William (03:01):
Yeah. True. That’s a good question. Um, generally, unfortunately, uh, it tends to be people who are at their wits end of what to do next. They don’t know how to help themselves, or they don’t know what to do in order to help themselves. And so generally it’s almost like a leap of faith. Like, um, I just thought I should try this or, uh, this just, this might be what I need, you know, that kind of thinking of, of not really knowing what else to do after being to on medication for a long time or after I guess doing some old practices that they’ve been doing for a long time. Um, there’s that, and then there’s other people come to me for deepening their journey, their spiritual journey, deepen, deepening their meditation practice and going a bit deeper into a different realm of spirituality. I guess if we can call it that, that seems like, uh, they want to take it in a different, different direction or maybe, maybe they’ve felt that after years of doing meditating every day or doing yoga every day or, or reading a bunch of books or something like that, that maybe even after that, that’s still not feeling quite fulfilled and are sinking something else beyond what they’ve been doing for such a long time.

William (04:39):
I, so gen generally I get those two, those two kind of people coming to see me.

Guy (04:45):
Yeah. And they they’re both, um, deep, big components. And it’s, it’s interesting how I’ve found from, you know, running, I think we’ve ran 10 retreats now, or even 11 and dozens and dozens of workshops and people. And they all come in for different reasons. And quite often it’s because of a push of a health issue or a pain issue. That’s driving a person to actually take action. It’s like the, the frog in the boiling water syndrome, or then like you say, the deepen of the spiritual practice. But I found also as well, is that as they deepen the spiritual practice, it starts to reveal what needs to be healed and twice versa as you start to heal a component. And when we say healing, we always think of physical, but for me, it’s not only physical, it’s the emotional feeling aspect. It’s the mental aspect and also the spiritual aspect.

Guy (05:34):

Yeah. So it’s like these two streams tend to lead back to one place. I mean, I got very excited when I found you will. I kind of stalked you for a little while and, and then reached out after, uh, interviewing Dr. Jeffrey Thompson last year, I think was, I know you’ve studied under, under, and I was, I’m curious to ask you then how would you describe the elevator pitch? So if somebody starts to come to you to go, you know, I’m at my end, end tether around this aspect of my health or something like say, or deepen the spiritual practice. So people listening to this, how does that relate into those two things of what you do and how does it contribute and support one’s journey for that?

William (06:17):
Wow. That’s a, that’s a really good, good question. I guess when I’m talking to people, generally, I sort of will get a vibe for maybe is when someone says, when they’re asking me about my practice or when I’m talking to somebody, I can generally get a vibe of maybe what they are actually searching themselves. So it kind of, it kind of, uh, depends on who I’m talking to, but, uh, in a general sense I’m so I say things like, if you, if you’re not a meditator and if you’re just starting to meditate, this is kind of like a shortcut to meditation because we’re using B beats and a precisely tuned sound frequency for your to cause homeostasis in your nervous system to <affirmative> to, uh, cause a zero stress response and to resynchronize or to synchronize the hemispheres, to bring you to a state, a certain brainwave state, whatever where and training to like gamma say.

William (07:27):
And so you have people who’ve been meditating for years and years and years and years. Some of us don’t even get to that end point of bliss and, uh, universal divine love or connection. But with these binary beats, we actually create that in the brain over a, over a span of 30 minutes or less, 20 minutes, 25 minutes, by listening to a soundtrack that will force your brain hemisphere to synchronize and to entrain you to a brainwave state such as Delta gamma, something like that, which takes years without Boral beats to do you have monks who have met, been meditating for God knows how long, 20 years, and to achieve these states. And we can do it with Boral beats in 20 minutes. <laugh>

Guy (08:28):
Yeah, it’s powerful. A cuz I, I, you know, I’ve used Bal beats in the, in the past and I’ve found on my own journey. It’s kind of helped given me my brain and my body, a roadmap to get there. And then once I understood the roadmap, I could then start to practice it myself as well. So it, like you say, it’s like a shortcut in that does that.

William (08:49):
Yeah. It’s sort of like you send on, on your roads on that road, you’re talking about, it’s like someone trims all the edges for you and mows the lawn and you have, and it feels like quite a love, quite a gentle stroll down rather than having to hack her away through everything and covered in thorns and thistles, you know?

Guy (09:09):
Exactly. And have the machete.

William (09:12):
Yeah. <laugh>

Guy (09:14):
So there’s a, there’s a phrase that, um, I wanna pick you up on because uh, my ears pricked up when you said it and, and I, and I want you to dive into just a little bit, just to touch point, why it’s important. Cause you mentioned the zero stress point that helps bring the body into homeostasis and zero stress point. Could you just expand on that a little bit for everyone because um, that’s what gets me excited.

William (09:37):
Yeah. Great. The, what we’re talking about is homeostasis or zero stress. I, I find those two names synonymous with each other. Um, homeostasis is the place where our body can goes to. And at that, at that point, we go into a healing mode. We can PHY physically, well, like you said, mostly people talk about physical healing, but we’ve also got emotional and spiritual, but let’s just say with physical healing, it’s easier to explain when we go into homeostasis, our stress levels, aren’t being diverted away from away from healing. If we’re stressed, our energy is being diverted to deal with that situation to send energy to our liver because, uh, cuz we’re drinking beer or like, or you know, energy to our lungs because of grief. Um, whereas when we’re in homeostasis, our body finally has a chance to work on the maintenance list that it has. We’ve all got a maintenance list. Everyone has a maintenance list of things that need to work on that our body itself needs to work on. So by getting to that homeostasis point, we can give the body a chance to heal itself, to, to do its maintenance list, which has been trying to do for a long time. Um, does, does that answer the question? Totally. Yeah.

Guy (11:20):
Yeah. No, it’s beautiful. Yeah. It’s it gets me really excited because you, you can start, like I asked this question at every one day workshop now, um, will, and that is um, what’s the number one contributor do you think is the contributor of chronic disease. Right. And everybody not one other word gets shouted out except express.

William (11:41):
Wow. Few years ago, a few years ago that wouldn’t have been the case.

Guy (11:46):
Right. So, so, and, and it is, I think if you look at the statistics, I think, you know, but this emotional, physical, again, mental stress, right? There’s there’s, you know, the stress of food of what foods we put in our body. Like it, it it’s all if

William (12:00):
Yeah. Chemical, chemical stress.

Guy (12:03):
Yeah. Right. Chemical toxins, it’s it’s bombarding. So it’s no accident. So that’s why I get so excited because when you, when you have the ability and the other stat I heard is that, you know, our nervous system receives more information one day than it did in a lifetime 150

William (12:22):
Years ago. Yeah. Yeah.

Guy (12:24):
So it’s nuts. And you know, not that stress is a bad thing either. I don’t wanna just poke all over it, but when you start to understand those concepts and when you start to speak about the zero point stress point of homeostasis, that then we finally get out the way that allows that checklist within the body to start to want to recalibrate itself, to come back to its natural co coherent state.

William (12:50):
Totally.

Guy (12:51):
I mean, I, I get goosebumps when I think about it, you know, and that, that’s why I was so excited to, um, bring you to the retreat that we just did because you not only said, oh, we can do that as an individuals, but we can actually measure the group from the start to finish the stress levels, the nervous system. So maybe because I still haven’t got into your background yet, which I’m gonna do in a sec, but maybe cuz this going in this direction, can you speak to a little bit about that? What we did and

William (13:20):
Uh, and what, yeah, totally the, uh, before I talk about that, just when you said, um, that we now receive a certain amount of data points, uh, in our nervous system or basically saying the world is getting more stressful with the work that I’m doing. The one of the main, I guess, missions of it is that to beef up the rest, the, uh, nervous system so that it is more stress capable. That’s a huge part of the work that I’m doing is trying to essentially take the nervous system to the gym and to muscle up so that it’s more capable. Um, but yeah, the retreat was great. That was really, that was really fun. Um, so what we did, I think there was a few videos on your Instagram. Um, and if there’s not, I have some videos so we can definitely get some of those going. Um, <affirmative> um, we sat the group around with the heart rate variability monitor and then everybody connected hands, Jeffrey Thompson has done this so many times. Then we swept a frequency through the room and watched the nervous system with the group on the computer. And so we see all these like lines and squiggles representing the, uh, parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system. And, um, yeah,

Guy (14:55):
I was gonna say maybe just for people as well to cuz we are opening loops is if you could break down what the heart rate variability monitor is and, and why that’s a key component for the group as

William (15:05):
Well. True. The, so the heart rate variability monitor is reading the spaces in between our heartbeats and calculating that through an algorithm to be able to watch the levels in our sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. And with that, we can essentially, yeah, just watch the nervous system, see what it’s doing. See if it’s in homeostasis, see if there’s a huge stress response. See if where it’s stuck in the stress response, see if our stress handling system is completely gone and we’re just like, it’s not, it’s not handling itself. Um, so the group was handling itself. It was doing pretty good at, it was not doing too bad at the beginning. Um, but then after, well first the, the very first, the, before the retreat, we had no crossovers into homeostasis, but the energy levels,

Guy (16:08):
That’s the zero point to

William (16:09):
Total 0.0 point. Exactly. And then at the very end, after we had 1, 2, 3, 4 crossovers into homeostasis, not only that, but there’s a certain thing that happens on the heart rate, variability monitor, which is we call it cycling, but maybe another word is like consistent homeostasis cuz homeostasis doesn’t just happen at one point necessarily it can happen over time. And what that looks like is these consistent movements between parasympathetic and, and when we saw the group afterwards, we saw this really beautiful movement from sympathetic to parasympathetic nice. And even blobs just waving through. Um, that was quite amazing to see just over the short span of time that we did the test for

Guy (17:10):
Four minutes, right?

William (17:11):
Four minutes. Yeah. Four crossovers, four, four crossovers and four minutes. Like you can’t really,

Guy (17:16):
Can’t no crossovers before.

William (17:17):
Yeah. No crossovers for before.

Guy (17:20):
So can I just lean into this? So the implications of that is that as a collective group, when they’re coming in, then the, the body is not in that point where it’s allowing the checklist to start to recalibrate that he, uh, whatever word we want to use becoming coherent state healing. But at the end of the retreat, that the entire group, we’re pretty much where they should be through that, through the collective power of the group.

William (17:47):
You’re saying that at the end they were where they should be.

Guy (17:51):
Yeah,

William (17:52):
Yeah. Uh, you very, it was pretty amazing. And one other thing to note is in the very first reading before the retreat, there was a big, um, amplitude of, uh, very low frequency, which is associated with, uh, sub, um, mental chatter, lots of, uh, ruminating thoughts. And so we saw that drop down a lot. Uh, afterwards we saw a huge plummet of this. We should call it the red zone because it’s it’s red. Um, so we can see it was like everyone at body’s mind was quiet. I, it sounds weird to talk about data like, like this, but that’s what it looked like. It’s, to me, it felt like everyone’s mind was quiet and everyone was connected.

Guy (18:50):
Incredible.

William (18:51):
Yeah, that was great.

Guy (18:53):
Yeah. Yeah, no, it’s exciting. No, we will be putting a video together properly in a blog post and, and emailing and via a newsletter for people. So they can note out on the data and a bit more from that as well. And there’s a small chance we might be measuring even over the five night retreat coming up. So stay tuned for that one as well, which is exciting because the more data we can get, the more we can start to show people and leaning to then it, it certainly supports what we are seeing and knowing, but then it’s, it’s been able to talk to the Western mind and actually support that and say, well, this is actually happening. This is why you’re getting those, the results that you are, which, um, I think the implica implications are massive and massive. And you say it so casually.

Guy (19:35):
Well, you know, and, uh, but when you, when you see some of these have a complete shift and a change and, and, um, especially, especially when we catch up with somebody six months or a year later, and if they continue to practice the work, it’s quite phenomenal. Um, how much, um, changes occurred. Yeah. You know, PHY on all, all those levels that we speak about the physical elemental, emotional and the spiritual, which is just brilliant. You know, I’m, I’m curious will as well, cuz there’s so many different things that we want to get into in a minute, but I I’m curious on your journey as well. What attracted you to leaning into this work? Have you, have you always, um, had a fascination around sound and music? Like what, what happened?

William (20:23):
Well, yeah, I guess I don’t necessarily fully understand it myself yet, but um, <laugh> one thing I attribute my interest in this too. I guess it’s not necessarily an interest in sound. Maybe this is just a manifestation of an interest in people through sound. Um, I grew up in the Philippines, Malaysia, Italy, the us, I moved all all over the place. And I think because of this, I really got to have a different perspective. Then most people would have, I got to see all sorts of people. I got to meet all sorts of people. And I think for me that was huge. That was amazing. Then I only ever picked up a guitar until I was 18. And the first songs that I learned were from fly of the Concords. Um, and

Guy (21:25):
Um, that’s a New Zealand show for anyone. Yeah. Outside of the Southern hemisphere comedy. Right.

William (21:31):
Comedy. Yeah. It’s, it’s very silly. That’s amazing. Um, then I played in, I played folk and blues and then 10 years later I am with my partner, Katie and she’s studying Reiki. It’s fun. Always. It, it amazes me how, just how much a woman can influence you. That my little brother said that he was vegetarian one time. And I said, I asked him, is your, your girlfriend’s vegetarian? He’s like, yeah. I was like, I was like, they definitely get us to move. You know? So she, she was studying Reiki and sound therapy and just watching her change and shift and move through all of these kind of things that I’d never heard of that I never really thought of. And slowly she went over to Sam Fran to study and then eventually she sent me a video on Facebook and said, you should check out this guy. You might like him. It was Dr. Jeffrey Thompson. And then I, it was just like a perfect match, you know, just everything he was talking about. I thought it was amazing. And I just wanted to learn more and more and more. Um, so yeah, I’ve been studying that myself really. There’s nowhere else to do it other than with Dr. Thompson and then further along the road to just, or along the roads, you’re just checking it out yourself, you know,

Guy (23:21):
Mm-hmm <affirmative>

William (23:23):
Yeah. Um, yeah.

Guy (23:26):
Well, what, what amazes me will as well, is that, um, like you say, this work isn’t talked about much and like you say, people find you when they’re at the end of they tether or like there’s a massive push into something cause they’ve tried everything else. But when you start to break down and understand the science behind it and the implications I’m, I’m amazed, this work and knowledge is now there more and more, you know, and being supported that way. Like maybe, um, can you think of examples or even with Dr. Jeffrey Thompson that

William (24:00):
That really sparked me. Yeah. True. Yeah.

Guy (24:04):
Um, have you seen over the years?

William (24:07):
Wow, there was, uh, Dr. Jeff was, um, converting the sounds of elements into, um, into sound, the not he was converting light frequencies into sound frequencies of elements. Um, and one of these things he used on a patient that with aids and because the thing with the thing with, uh, to autoimmune disease and your essentially your nervous system is, um, or your immune system, sorry, is attacking itself. And he found with this sound that he created, he was able to, the immune system would switch off, would sort of like go stop, stop, uh, functioning. And it sounds so, so bloody crazy. Maybe that’s why we don’t talk about it. Cuz these, all of these things are just like, doesn’t really make sense yet, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative> so then all of a sudden this, this guy’s body, uh, the nervous system, the, uh, sorry, immune system was, was turned off and so it wasn’t attacking itself.

William (25:26):
And so his, the toxicity levels went way down because it wasn’t producing all of this stuff to attack itself. And so it like gave him, you know, a bit of time to breathe if you will. And so he would listen, listen to the sound. And then over time they implemented B roll beats and the sound frequency for his nervous system and were able to kind of wean him onto a wean him out out of it. I don’t, that sounds wild. But to me that was just fascinating that this cuz it was a father and son, this, the father had brought the son there and, and all of a sudden, like they’re still able to spend time together because of this weird kind of magic thing. Like it’s, it doesn’t make any sense that a sound would do something like that, but it’s, but it, but that, that did happen. Yeah. Um,

Guy (26:33):
I think I recall Jeffrey Thompson saying that when the father and son walked into his practice, they, I think he, his lungs were failing or kidneys were failing and, and there was about only four weeks left in him to live. Like they weren’t expecting much at all, but to his pain, I think that’s what he’s when I hear him speak about it.

William (26:53):
Oh right. Initially,

Guy (26:55):
So to, to, to that point to like, then you say, be able to use frequency and then this particular element of sound that I believe it was gold. I can’t remember, but

William (27:04):
He used, it was gold turn multiple

Guy (27:06):
F multiple frequencies to then turn off his immune system, which sounds counterintuitive because the immune system’s attacking yourself, you’d think you’d wanna build it. So then allow this guy to, to start to recover or like you said, give him some breathing space. And um, and he basically saved his life, like from, from that, you know, from that information, which is sound, which is, which is just fascinating. But I guess, you know, the way I think about it is, well, well, because, you know, I think your episode 222 or 223, like I’ve, I’ve spoken to a lot of people and a lot of it go dives into the quantum science of things where in essence, everything is sound and vibration and frequency when you get to the, the molecular structure of it all or beyond that, you know? So I guess when you start influencing what gives rise to matter, and if the nervous system is such a big component of that, then it’s like, wow, this is, this is quite incredible.

William (28:11):
Yeah.

Guy (28:11):
Because we lean into that going forward, you know, but it takes time. Right.

William (28:15):
It does take time. And I guess I, I would, I would like to see more people on board with this more people from different fields. I’d like to see this as, um, I can’t remember who it was, but they said, I think it was probably Nicola Tesla actually, um, saying that when the Western world or when science that’s right. When science starts to research the metaphysical, we’ll see huge breakthroughs in health and science and life just actually spending the time to research some of the stuff that we can’t explain, research some of the, well, you know, get creative and, and start to have a look at what’s going on with sound and vibration and thoughts, energy, all of these. I don’t want all this to be woo woo anymore. <laugh>

Guy (29:22):
<laugh> it, it, it shouldn’t be. And that’s why I keep harping on, about got, getting excited about bringing you into the retreats to do the measurements so we can show the data behind, I guess, the perceived woo woo. Because as far as I’m concerned and I’ve been in front of enough people now and doing this for long enough to think this is our birthright, we should be knowing this knowledge and we should know how to apply it. And actually what starts to make a D um, make a difference in our lives. You know, cuz obviously myself working with Matt and him being a sound healer, uh, you know, a different approach, but it’s still sound at the end of the day is still frequency is still vibration. And you know, we are seeing like the, the results and it’s just crazy that it, it comes down to that people are even run away from this work because they can’t even allow their Western mind to, to lean into it in the first place, you know, and start to think of it because there’s some perceived belief, um, that it gets imposed upon it before even looking at it.

Guy (30:24):
I’m keen to lean into sound a bit more with you will because I know you got the VI acoustic therapy because I think most people, when they think of sound, they just think of music. Oh, I’m just gonna, you know, listen to something. But it goes way beyond that. So I’m intriguing to know what that is and how that supports one as well.

William (30:43):
Yeah. This is one of the things with the elevator speech that is like we were saying before, it’s quite difficult to explain something that people have never experienced before. And that thing being VI acoustic therapy. So behind me is a sound lounge or sound table sound lounge. And what it has in it is low frequency, tactile transduces, which are built into the mattress, built into the table. And that plays low frequency sound directly into the body. Now I guess one good way to explain it is that our ears we hear between 20 and 20,000 Hertz. And then once we go beyond 20,000 Hertz that’s ultrasound, um, but when we go into the low frequency range, we, we can, if you put your hands next to a speaker, you can feel you can, you put them close enough, turned it up loud enough. You can feel it in your hands.

William (31:47):
Our whole bodies are able to do this because we have nerve endings because we have these, um, four different preceptors for these vibrations and those four different preceptors allow our body to feel from zero, 0.3. Actually I don’t, that’s a funny number, but studies have show that 0.3 to five hundreds, um, 500 Herz. So that’s 500 Herz is still quite a high frequency. It’s kind of getting into the midrange, but um, so we can feel all of the sound and by laying on the sound table and playing these low frequency vibrations, I mean it’s, it’s FDA approved. Vibroacoustic therapy is FDA approved for circulation increase of circulation pain reduction, which is a big deal. Um, and circulation pain reduction. There’s a third one. I forgot. I forgot what that is. Uh that’s okay. Inflammation, inflammation, inflammation,

Guy (33:07):
Which is another massive one.

William (33:08):
Well, yeah, I mean, if you, once you’ve got, it’s the same thing once you’ve got the problem, like you wanna fix it and this is one of the ways that, that we can do that. Um <affirmative> um, so that’s one of the aspects of my practice, the huge aspect. I mean, I use that thing every day, every single morning. I absolutely love it is at the end. That’s why

Guy (33:35):
You’re so relaxed. Every time I speak too, mate.

William (33:37):
<laugh>

William (33:40):
Yeah, I could I’m human. I get stressed.

William (33:43):
<laugh>

William (33:44):
They’re not usually I haven’t yet. I haven’t seen it yet. Yeah, well that’s good. No, I don’t get stressed very often. Maybe that’s why. Um, but I mean, I could talk about it forever. There’s so many different aspects to it where low frequency you can see with John Stewart Reed, um, he’s talks about low frequency sound, creating infrared light. What, what happens is that the, in the, in the pulses of the sound frequencies is actually creates a Paso electric effect. So like a kind of clapping of two sound waves together, more or less. Yeah. So like boom, and then light infrared light is created from that.

William (34:33):
And infrared light goes out to the ends of space. Um, and so one of the aspects that I believe that still needs more research with, uh, vibroacoustic therapy is that infrared light is actually being created. And that’s potentially one of the healing aspects of this modality. Um, you’ve also got pain, like, like I said before, pain is a big deal and we’ve got these tracks in our body that essentially sends signals to, from the brain to other parts of the body. So you like hit your thumb with the hammer. Pain is quite act pain is actually quite a slow, a slow, um, movement up to the like, uh, well, sorry, it’s coming, it’s coming down to send pain. So you don’t really feel it until afterwards. Yeah. It’s, it’s a slow process so that, you know, I guess that’s how we’ve evolved over this time. But when you fill up those tracks with sound vibration, the pain’s not actually able to be there that the, it kind of O it’s overstimulates those tracks, those messenger tracks with VI sound vibration and you have less pain or no pain.

Guy (35:57):
Hmm.

William (35:59):
So it’s things. Yeah.

Guy (36:01):
Yeah. I’m fascinated. Cause you even mentioned the word P electric effect and um, cuz I was kind of trying to put pieces together scientifically as well. I’ve spoke about it a few times about when I had a Kini release and a Kini awakening and the it’s it there’s some of the theories, there’s the physio electric effect within the molecules within the cerebral fluid and, and actually it’s sitting in fluid, it, it actually creates, can create a stronger electrical charge. And then when you use the breath, the breath is bringing together the VI, the, the stored energy and the vibration. So it’s almost like, um, uh, you know, I think of it like Flint with the sparker, you’re just sparking something until you get it going enough for the full energy released to, to move in this cerebral fluid becomes the conductor from the Pazo electric effect or those molecules become charged and accelerate an motion and then they go spine

William (37:03):
Into the that’s amazing. Well, if you think about it lying on a sound table, you’ve got the Pazo electric effect happening inside of your body. <laugh>

Guy (37:13):
Well, there you

William (37:14):
Go. You got sound, you got sound going into your body and literally you have this PAs electric effect happening throughout your body.

Guy (37:23):
Wow. So I just wanna repeat back a couple of things. Cause there’s a lot in there. Not only for me to understand, but for the listeners as well. So you were saying that our nervous system has nerve endings and it has four receptors that can pick up low grade frequencies given you ability for the nervous system to feel vibration. Is

William (37:43):
That correct? Yeah. So that’s yeah. So like, uh, yeah, so we have just the, the way that we, our senses, the way that we’re able to feel, there’s these four, four receptors that allow us to feel sound vibrations and those yeah. And those are in the low frequency range because once you, once you get above to like a 20, 20,000 Hertz, you can’t, you, we can’t feel that our body’s receiving it, but we can’t really feel, we can’t really feel it physically. Yeah. But the low frequency sound from 0.3 to 500 hers is a felt sound so we’re we actually, we, we feel that and our body takes absorbs that information through these four receptors. So those, those four receptors are essentially made they’re little antennas for those specific vibrations. The sound comes in, re is received by those receptors and then is sent into our nervous system, our brain, et cetera.

Guy (38:58):
So cuz we are not only cuz we keep this, we only, when we think about sound, we think about hearing it, like

William (39:04):
I said, exactly. Yeah.

Guy (39:06):
So this is big, it’s big ongoing, just the, the hearing of the sound to the, the sensory feeling of the sound. And like you say, you we’re running through it just because we can’t feel, it doesn’t mean the sounds, having, not having impact. So with the combination then of the B beats, which you spoke to at the beginning, which starts to work with brainwave in treatment and frequency, allowing us to get more into that meditative state and then, um, I guess, and you put them on the, the VI acoustic table at the same time. So we, we are, we are listening to something and we’re failing something which is then starting to work its way to get us into that zero point, um, homeostasis.

William (39:50):
Definitely. And we go even deeper <laugh> with, uh, <laugh> we go even deeper with, uh, so we use when you’re feeling the sound in the bed, it’s the same exact same sound that you’re hearing. So you’re, you’re, it’s just one soundtrack. It’s one, one sound. You’re hearing it through headphones and listening to it, uh, through your body as well. But what another aspect we do is actually record the sound of the person’s voice, using 3d microphones to then play the person’s voice into their body. And so we take the sound recording of their voice. We drop it by a few octaves to get a nice low frequency. And then we play a whole stack of octaves into the VI table so that people can feel the sound of their own voice.

Guy (40:52):
Got it. So it was a bit lag there.

William (40:54):
Yeah. Oh, okay. So it’s like, if yeah, so you’re playing, playing people back their own voice into their body.

Guy (41:05):
Wow. So, okay. You, you trigger more questions and I apologize for everyone if this is a technical podcast, but it’s great to have the technical stuff as well because it keeps giving evidence to what we are talking about here on the long term journey of it. But the one thing I’m curious about then, because we’ve, you know, I had many conversations beyond this podcast, but um, one is to find the, the, the unique resonance of one’s nervous system first, which is what you do, which is I think unique. And then the second thing is is that then because you’ve got that unique nervous, let’s start there. Why do you do that first? <laugh> and I’ll ask the next.

William (41:47):
So the, we use the sound frequency to try to induce homeostasis. Let’s say so try to push the nervous system to a homeostasis point. And with the reason Dr. Thompson has been doing this for 30 years and over that time, I guess he’s found that using heart rate variability, we can watch the nervous system play a sound frequency through the table, through the sound lounge and through headphones. And it’s pretty cool. When you, when you put somebody on the bed, attach them to the heart rate, monitor, play a sound frequency. You watch their nervous system, just collapse or the, the stress response, sorry, collapse, and just starts to move towards homeostasis. And it doesn’t always happen. So simply like that people, some people are more stressed than others obviously, but we’re trying to capture a specific sound frequency at the point of homeostasis so that we can use that frequency to train the body, to go back to that point. If that makes sense.

Guy (43:06):
It does

William (43:07):
Using, using a sound using the sound.

Guy (43:10):
Yeah. It’s again, you are, you’re mowing the lawn for the person, the path for them. And then it’s an E it’s an easiest journey and

William (43:18):
Yeah, it’s sort of like go, it’s sort of like go here. Here’s where you have to go. Here’s where you have to go, go back here, go back here. Keep going this, keep going back here. Go back to homeostasis.

Guy (43:30):
Yeah. Got it. Now you can’t, uh, I shouldn’t say can’t but um, people have to see you in person initially, is that correct? Yeah, because you need to be able to measure that nervous system and get them, get that data you need first when moving forward.

William (43:47):
Yeah, definitely. That’s the, I mean, I guess it’s not unfortunate. It’s a lot of fun. The sound table’s a lot of fun, but um, there are more practitioners popping up all over the place. I was the first person in Australia. Um, there are now two others soon to be a third. I think. So I’m not the only one I’m in Brisbane. Somebody’s popping up in Melbourne. Oh no. In Victoria soon we’re trying to spread. We’re trying to get lots of people to do it. So hopefully there’ll be a practitioner practitioner in every city at some point that’d be amazing.

Guy (44:28):
It is fantastic mate. But at the end of the day could fly in. They could come and see you have a sessions. Yeah. Couple of sessions. They could then buy a table from you, get their, the resonance and then go home and have the, the complete setup.

William (44:42):
Yeah, definitely. And I’m not the only person doing this. My, my partner is set up a company with her dad where they make VI acoustic tables. They’re the first company in Australia to make VI acoustic therapy tables and they make them themselves. And I help a lot with recording and soundtracks. So Katie, my partner makes she’s amazing composer makes all of the soundtracks for the specifically designed for the sound table so that you’re receiving all the low frequency sound. She’s got crystal balls and gongs and whale sounds and nature sounds. And we do, we do all sorts of things to try and get people to relax. <laugh>

Guy (45:29):
<laugh> yeah, well the world needs it more than ever mate. Uh that’s that’s for sure. So may I, um, I’ll just tell everyone that, uh, any links relevant for the today’s conversation will be in the show notes below. Um, like I mentioned’ll be, um, putting, um, some video content out and stuff about what we discovered at the retreat anyway. So people have a reference point and if you know, a loved one or friend or somebody that might be struggling, and this is starting to make sense to people and they would wanna look at it, maybe a different approach, please, um, check out all the links below and check out will and, and everything else that we got here for you. Um, well I got one last question, which I ask everyone on the show and that is, um, with everything we’ve covered today. Is there anything you wanna leave the listeners to ponder on?

William (46:24):
Oh,

William (46:30):
Gee, that’s a very, very difficult question. There’s so much isn’t there and I don’t really wanna say anything simple, like follow your joy <laugh> but um, I guess I just wanna say that I believe that sound is a very powerful healing tool and I think there is a lot to it it’s such a simple yet complex thing. And I think that kind of represents the very nature of our universe and what we’re all doing here. And I think that there needs to be more research and more kind of activity in the sound realm because, you know, we, there’s only, I feel at the moment there’s only a small number of people sort of carrying out these experiments, if you will. Like, um, these are trying out sound in, in the world and it’s been done for thousands of years. Millennia even sound as a, I believe the beginning of everything. And I think that it’s a good time to dive into that at the moment.

Guy (47:44):
Amen to that mate. Couldn’t agree more. Couldn’t agree more. Well, mate, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Thank you for your time. And uh, I, I know this will reach a lot of people and I encourage everyone to keep diving into this, lean into this work and get curious about it and, and, uh, who knows what would reveal itself by having that curiosity to go there and, uh, hopefully will, we will see you in August as well at the retreat if, uh, the stars align and everything works out and for anyone that’s coming to the five night retreat in August as well, we’ll definitely get to meet this man as, uh, as we measure more data on the groups to see what happens. So will thanks for everything you do, mate. Thanks for coming on the show today. And it’s deeply group deeply appreciated.

William (48:28):
Thank you guys. It’s been lovely to spend some time with you.