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Guy 01:12
Matt Welcome to the podcast. Welcome back!

Matt 01:18
back yeah yeah it’s a regular occurrence isn’t it this is good fun

Guy 01:23
It is nice great I am so just for people listening to this in the future we are actually streaming this for the first time in our living flow community Facebook group so if you’re seeing this in the Facebook group right now say hi and in the comments let us know where you are in the world watching this from which is kind of cool and obviously it’ll be there as well and if you are living it won’t listen to this in the future guy gets confusing quickly done. Yeah, come and join us Oh hey Sure. There we go. Comments are coming in already. Yeah, come and join us if you are listening to this on iTunes or YouTube just go to Facebook living flow community I’ll be streaming more podcasts we’re doing something live every week and just engaging and attracting like minded people to be there so that’s exciting as well so it’s Friday the 24th of September it is my fifth year wedding anniversary and I’m carved out some time for us to do this the next day on your anniversary day Yeah, you know I am I know it’s a blast it’s a Friday we promised to do a relaxed day starting out and you know funnily enough he kind of leans into this because we’ve been talking all week loves to do a podcast let’s try and screamer into Facebook and we talk about the kind of conclusions we come to was talking about the highs and lows of spiritual practices in the work and some of the challenges we’ve been through in our life you know, but you know it’s funny I was only thinking about this literally just before I jumped on with you and that this morning because it was our fifth year anniversary we’re like let’s just wake up when we want let’s just head it even though we’re in lockdown we can go to the beach we I know we can still get a bit of takeaway breakfast and the nourish bowl. And I kind of got up and started doing these things without a care in the world because I’ve given myself permission to do that. And I had the best time is relaxing we had a brilliant time but yeah I still found myself getting into work and being as productive on other days but without the mentality of me Got to get this done we got to get over there got to push it you know without the stress of everything came it and it and it just keeps reaffirming how everything is a choice. And I actually chose differently today but it had to be something in my mind outside of myself so I kind of been reflecting on that this morning. And I think there’s the work right there right? allowing

Matt 03:51
us 100% Yep, it’s

Guy 03:53
a choice. So where to start? I get to throw on you I’ve been talking way too much already.

Matt 03:59
I know I was waiting for the first question I always braced myself when I come on to your podcast and like I know I’m gonna get the hot potato here in a second. Yeah, yeah,

Guy 04:09
but no because we decided the highs and lows of a spiritual practice or practices and and how we’ve kind of navigated them through in our lives and chose to do it but I guess the place to start is them. What is spirituality? What does that mean to you? I couldn’t even say the word three years ago so I’m you know, I’m

Matt 04:30
now it gets. I guess the simple like, there’s so many different ways you can answer that question, isn’t there? What is spirituality and, and I think that there’s a lot of confusion around that. And it gets muddied up with religion with different traditions and cultures in life. You can very quickly isolate people, when you start to talk about the Spirit because we’re it’s an unknown To me, what I, what really resonated with me over the years is, Well, two things come to mind, the first thing that comes to mind is, we did a Master’s programme in spiritual psychology. And it was psychology, basically, from the standpoint that we’re spiritual beings having a human experience, and service taking philosophies of psychology, and then adding that addition to it. And so when you start to look at life, from that vantage point that we are actual spirit, having a physical experience, and we start to nurture that relationship to that larger part of ourselves. And that starts to open up possibility and potential and like you say, we have more choice.

Guy 05:44
But there’s there’s a caveat right there, right? Because, okay. Because in my own upbringing and own life, I never even thought about that.

Matt 05:57
Write about what that there’s more to you than the mind.

Guy 06:01
Is it possible that I am a spiritual being having a human experience and actually stand to see life from that vantage point? Because I guess I never really got brought up in religion, I, you know, I used to, you know, we used to sing songs in school, and they read chapters from the Bible, but I had no idea I was like, six years old, I’m like, I’ve got no idea what it was doing. This was like, over my head, you know? And, and then it gets to the point, well, is that is that just a nice fantasy? Or, you know, that can make me feel better navigate the world and have a bit of faith? Or is there more to that? You know, what I mean?

Matt 06:39
Yeah. So I think it’s Yeah, well, the second part of what I was, what came to mind was them being a part of a cafe spiritual Centre in Los Angeles, that was created by Reverend Michael Beckwith. And, and the whole idea of that centre, and what it’s found on, is that where we are, we’re divine beings, right? And that we have this potential, we actually co creating this reality that we live in, and we are actually much more powerful than we give ourselves credit for. And so through the practices there, it started to open up this possibility in this potential. And so what you’re saying about why I had no concept, what is the spiritual part of myself? And how do you actually identify that? Is that just were Is that a real thing? And so without even having to answer that question, already coming from a place where you’re in a community, with this concept that you are in command of your life, regardless of the stresses and the challenges that you’re facing, and there’s a divine support that’s coming through, it allows you to take the foot off the gas pedal, right, it allows you to kind of relax in yourself a bit, and feel like you’re supported in some way that it might not feel like you are when you’re in the throes of life. And so I think that’s the first thing is that starting to, from my experiences, having that to lean on, has allowed me to relax in myself and in my life more and I think that’s where I was actually first introduced was when my dad was shoving the personal development stuff down my throat as a child, because I was so anxious and nervous and couldn’t really focus my attention in school and this and that, and it was starting to do these practices of different positive thinking and in mindfulness practices and meditations that then allow me to relax in myself and, and that was enough for me to then explore it more, because I felt better about myself and I was able to then be comfortable in my body and be comfortable in my life and relationships more so than I was before just from those practices, whether they were a reality or not, they were real, and they gave me benefit. But then I went further down the rabbit hole because I was exposed to that more so than most people and that was like, I feel like I’m talking a lot, but they it’s always the way with me, isn’t it? I’ve had experiences where I’ve, I’ve, there’s stuff that has happened to me that is beyond the five senses. And so when stuff like that happens, that you can’t rationalise with your mind, but it’s as real as if you were experiencing with your five senses. And that’s when it becomes real, isn’t it? It’s that experience that that having that experience?

Guy 09:50
Yeah, totally. No, I agree with everything you say. And, I guess to get on terms, which I think we know leaning into what is spirituality and it’s to recognise that isn’t I always think of the the conversation and live with me for the rest of my life with Jeffrey Olson. And Thoreau who lost his wife and 18 month old toddler in a car accident 20 years ago, and his seven year old son at the time survived, you know, and he went through this incredible 20 year heat journey of healing really, and it still blows my mind to this day, that conversation I had with him, but you know, the one thing we kind of have in a conversation and navigating them just listening to him speak, the conclusion we came to at the end was well, is it that we, I guess, our souls purpose is to recognise the Divinity within us, which is that that we speak of, but then to be able to pass that on to and share that message with other people to help them recognise the Divinity within themselves. And obviously, from that place, if we have that, if we do, like you say, have these experiences that are beyond the five senses, and the and for me that you know, there’s certainly beans that feel that they genuinely feel more real than this conversation right now, when you’re in it? And they say, Well, how, like, how is that possible? You know, and then you start looking at the science and started podcast and you know, many years later, you kind of come to your own conclusions. But what what fascinates me about spirituality and even you know, now we’re getting into the realms of spiritual awakening, and it kind of conjures up so many beliefs and images and what things are what what they mean to us, like, like I was saying earlier, like, I actually, I found it difficult to put my podcast in the spiritual category on iTunes when I first released it, because I still had my own shit around that word, because it just, you know, like, I don’t know life doesn’t get any easier, you just get more adapt to it. And I think there’s always this this connotation around spirituality that we find some Nirvana someday and then all our problems just go away and we can just sit in this place where I mean from my experience, it doesn’t feel like that so far. But you’re gonna say something?

Matt 12:16
I just curious because you said that you hesitated to put the your podcast in a spiritual category, category of spirituality. And so I would be curious to know what was in the way and what then allowed you to move into that. And then also the other question that I had was, you said it wasn’t even a concept for you when you were younger? As to the spiritual side, but now you’ve opened into it and look at what do you do now? It’s like that’s, it’s it’s throughout all aspects of your life. Pretty much. So how did you get from there to here?

Guy 12:51
Yeah, wow, that’s the first question what was in the way? I actually think it was. insecurity, doubt, unworthiness, there was still an element of me holding on to my old self, even though I was in my own life embodying this work massively, but to come out publicly and go You know what? I’m just owning this like I don’t care what people think I just actually want to do good support and do things with integrity and heart and you know, if I’m around spiritual, like, I guess growing up in Wales, drinking Guinness playing rugby and you know, that was such a different persona around that. And a lot of this work is about getting back to our true self before all the cultural caretaking schooling beliefs are all lumped on top of us right and it’s getting back to who’s that guy or even before he was named guy who’s he you know, was you know that that being so there was definitely that in the way still and I guess I’ve had to grapple and this is the work of how to grapple with my own insecurities, demons whatever you want to call them as what we do now continues to grow and more people come and there’s more expectation put upon you to a degree as well so you know, it is just a soup of things I’m just you know, just a guy from Wales doing doing this thing but then you know, as things grow up, and and it’s all in the head anyway. Like it, it is, at the end of the day, does it need to be any different?

Matt 14:38
So you say it, like Who am I to actually call my work spiritual? Is that kind of way you got to

Guy 14:45
degree Yeah, yeah. Because then it just conjures up all these different images of different people. And you know, and I listened to that book you recommended with stuart wilde you know, on Audible and devoured it and you know, he’s a great what was the book called for the We can remember he’s got to feel beyond beyond enlightenment. Was it or something? I think something like something like

Matt 15:06
that. Yeah. Beyond enlightenment. Yeah,

Guy 15:09
you know, and he asked me, he nailed it in the book about that and conjuring up, you know, people all of a sudden appear on a pedestal and you get these images of people kissing people’s feet, and you’re the one like giving your power away, when actually this work is about claiming your power back. Now, I’m not saying that his spiritual work, I don’t know, but you know, I had to have an awakening first, then go off, fuck me. What was I doing, and then and then actually work backwards where I feel a lot of people come from the ground up, where I kind of jumped to the end, and then started coming backwards to a degree to a degree, but then in hindsight, it’s been it’s been a journey all my life now that I’ve had experiences and enough life experiences. To be you know, I’m 47 this year, I can look back at that five year old a 10 year old a 15 year old a 20 year old and I can feel him and feel where he was at at the time and all the the the things that were going on the confusions, the difficulties, and there’s, there was always a, there was always an essence of me that was greater than what people and society was telling me how I should live. And for me, that flame has actually always been there. I just didn’t recognise it in myself, but it was strong enough. Not to, not to, I guess, be moulded by everyone else’s opinions and society and how I should be it actually resisted that strongly, but I didn’t have the mentor or the guidance of the guides or whatever of people to go actually, you know, to see that and then go, come over here, I can show you this, you know what I mean, I had to then go figure that out for myself, which took a fucking long time. You know? Yeah. You know, it’s like you’re trying to get away to be but nobody’s giving you the map. So you know, I stumbled across B, after leaving A but instead of being an hour’s journey, it was it 10 years, or whatever it might be because I got lost along the way, you know?

Matt 17:23
Yeah. Yeah. That’s interesting. I don’t know if like, you know, I just put this this kind of sparked some things in my mind like this, that conditioning of you know, you always refer to that rugby Wales rugby player back in the day, and, you know, pretty grounded in mainstream experiences and what was going on and, and, and it’s like, we, there’s this part of us that wants to be ourselves, but we don’t have a map to get to that. That identity because it’s never actually been before. And yet we want to feel included and a part of the tribe and like our, you know, basic needs to fit in, are always been tagged on and so we identify with these roles of who we’re supposed to be. But yet, if we would just let go of all that and just be ourselves then we’d find our way to actually fit into society in our unique way, which I think is been my journey as well as letting go of trying to fit in and realising that I just really don’t fit in because as we all are completely unique and then then utilising that uniqueness to develop the work and the life that I live now which is ultimately inspiring and supporting other people to find themselves and I think somewhere in there is spirituality is finding the true essence of who you are and allowing that essence that’s never been here before and never will be here again to actually express to its fullest here and now as you as only you can. And to me that’s that’s the spiritual journey.

Guy 19:16
Hmm. You asked me this question earlier, but I didn’t really answer it so I’m gonna ask you at first and then I can always jump back in I

Matt 19:25
guess great. Yeah. Just teittleman No,

Guy 19:28
it’s so when when was it? So you know, you’re like you said your dad was giving you all these self development tapes and dropping them into from a very young age. So you kind of been exposed that world from what a rock star dad by the way? I mean, that’s, that’s so cool.

Matt 19:47
Yeah, I think it came from a moment of desperation. He didn’t know what else to do. But yeah, he’s a rock star. Yeah.

Guy 19:55
I’ve met your dad. He’s awesome. You know, so You get to that point, but then then, you know, we titled this the highs and lows of spiritual practices like, what were the defining moments for you then to really go down this path of, of searching? of looking? because quite often do you think that we could be missing life from doing the searching? Or is it part of the evolution of our growth?

Matt 20:26
You know, definitely commis life in the searching, I find a lot of people come and do the work with us can be like that the spiritual tourism, it’s like, or a spiritual distraction or bypass, actually, yeah, you know, wanting to wanting to deal with what’s going on inside of them, and they find another, you know, addiction in ways I mean, meditation can be an addiction, if you if you’re not that careful, breath work, especially, I mean, breath, sound and breath, like those are utilising techniques that are eliciting a flow state within you. And those, you know, the very addictive state of being, that’s why you know, the adrenaline junkie kind of thing. You can get it you can get it same kind of rush doing the work that we’re doing, and then get addicted to that and chase the rush. Or chase the spiritual experience. And some Yeah, what did you ask me?

Guy 21:23
So you went off, you went off in this, this search, like you said, you went and explored every rabbit hole under the sun, and I threw that caveat in about, you know, you’re missing life at the same time, because you That was it, but then because of the search, you got so much more wisdom and experience because you actually went and experienced all these experiences. You know, yeah, it’s like a buffet, you know, you like, you go need all the buffet, and then you realise, oh, I actually only wanted an apple.

Matt 21:49
Well, that’s it, isn’t it? I think, Well, you know, you know why I went on the journey of all this stuff. Yeah.

Guy 21:56
To a degree, yes. But maybe people listening don’t…

Matt 21:59
you know, yeah. I forgot. I thought we’re just having a conversation. I forgot there’s other people listening. That’s right. How you doing good. Yeah, no, because my mom’s death, my mom died suddenly at a young age. And I was 22 at the time and from, like, you know, from about moving into being a teenager and then trying to really fit into, you know, the, the tribe. And in trying different things, I was quite distracted from the initial information that my dad was sharing with me as a child. And so derailed me in a way I didn’t actually go back to that until I was 22. And my mom died. And then I knew from my experience that that helped me relax myself. And I was dealing with so much grief, so much pain, that I leaned back into the practices, meditation, and different things that I was learning as a child. But a lot during that time as well is when I had the vision of my mom, and she showed me this is one of those experiences it was it was having this vision of, you know, you could call it a dream, but it was like one of those dreams like crystal, it was it was more I thought because she showed me more colours than I could actually identify with the colour range that we see with our eyes, I heard sounds that were beyond what you could actually hear with your ears. And dimensions, it was more than just three dimensions. It was a multi dimensional kind of shapes and colours and sounds and things that was actually unfolding before me in this dreamlike state. And then when I woke up from the sleep state that I was in, I felt my body fly through the house and actually move my my myself my consciousness moved through the house and into the body that came at such an impact into the body because I was downstairs in this vision. And my bedroom is upstairs in my house and as a child, and um, as where I was in the body actually sat up in bed, like I just threw myself up in bed and woke and had a crystal clear memory of everything just happened so much so that it was like I had been with her, you know, and this was a few days after she had died. And so I wrote it all down. And that was that was the first experience that was one of the experiences that put me back on this track. And further down like I actually years later when and saw a medium and I was trying to get a sign of if he connects with my mom from the other side. I’m going to have like a nurses badge that she wore and nobody knew that I had that from all her gear that I had taken it numb. So that was gonna be my sign. But he went up to and he actually told me that dreamlike experience from her point of view, and I hadn’t told anybody about it at that time. And so it’s it’s an impulse to it’s impossible for somebody to actually know that I had that dream and then actually Tell it to me from a different vantage point. It was like mind bending. So you know stuff like that happens. And it’s like that you can’t you can’t deny that can you?

Guy 25:13
Do it? No, no. Of course not. But the but that only our experiences on day at the end of the day and if somebody else has not even considered an experience like that, let alone had one it can be very difficult to to imagine or anything you know, so we can then dismiss it very easily, you know, because yeah, absolutely. I

Matt 25:37
suppose so. Is

Guy 25:39
that but I’m curious for you if you were such an unruly mongrel, which sounds sounds like and? And do you think it required Your mum’s passing to really set you on this trajectory? Or do you think it was in you, and you would have found just a different way it would have just shaped in a different outcome? Have you ever thought about those things? Yeah,

Matt 26:07
well, yeah, many times I actually, to the extent of feeling guilty in some moments for her death, like, did did that have to happen to put me on trajectory for my life’s purpose? And did I actually will that in in some way, it’s like, you know, you can, it’s insane, like, you go down rabbit holes with that, but realising that there is no right or wrong, there just is choice all the time, and that we take experiences the reality around them based on our perception of them. And yeah, I think I probably would have gone down that road anyway. Because I remember as a kid, also, getting these you know, books on how to how to do telekinesis and how to hit read people’s minds. You know, I told you this before, I’d sit in the classrooms and like, try and make the flies land on my desk, like. So it’s doing weird shit like that, anyway, exploring this whole rabbit hole, but I just got distracted with life. So I think I probably would have found my way there anyway. But you know, that was the search, then that that was what got me there was then I haven’t had that experience with her. Then I was like, oh, Where was that? And can I get back there? And that’s what sent me on this journey, you know, just just trucking around looking for different ways to create the mystical experience to get my mom back, basically. So I was chasing for a long time. So,

Guy 27:44
um, what’s your thoughts on I’m just gonna, I feel like, I’m asking you a lot of questions here.

Matt 27:49
But you are now you become the host. Are we gonna have a conversation? Yeah. I don’t know where were we going?

Guy 28:01
Well, you you, you you said, you know, chasing the mystical experiences. And I’ve no doubt you’ve, you’ve had many. I often wonder about this. And because what once once you kind of become open to this work and start looking like a mystical experience has been quite a part of my journey. And I often wonder, like, wow, what would it mean if, if everybody would have a mystical experience of some kind, that would challenge them to maybe reconsider the way they see reality and see themselves at some level? But then I think are people ready to have them? I don’t know. I don’t know. You know?

Matt 28:58
Well, yeah, as you were talking because we keep throwing this word mystical around. And I just like Google, what’s the definition? Can you Google it? And the definition of mystical is inspiring a sense of spiritual mystery or in fascination. Or the other definition is relating to mystics or religious mysticism. That’s one of those definitions that don’t mean anything. I love when they do that. But I like the second one inspired a sense of spiritual mystery or in fascination. So just in the definition itself, go into that question. You gotta be open, don’t you? To have a sense of all mystery and fascination. I think that’s where we get in trouble because we are that trouble. Well, we just, we just broke it down. We just create the blinders of perception and call that reality because it’s safe. Because we know it comfortable, but then to lean back into that on wonder, very scary thing, especially for an adult that has to be in control.

Guy 30:12
Yeah, you know, you said something then that because I think it was worth it absolutely podcast. I can’t keep like, I would say that we did that. Yeah, I had the saje Dyer on yesterday when his daughter

Matt 30:28
so jealous.

Guy 30:29
And such a such a lovely soul really, really sweet soul. And I think it was her that said that, that it said she said that in the book The Course of Miracles, which have not said a true miracle is a shift in perspective. Right. And that really caught me I was like, wow, that’s, that’s really powerful. And for me, what describing mystical mystical experiences is, that’s what it gave me a real shift in perspective. But it was a big shift, because it started making me question, well, who am I really these are we are spiritual beings, divine beings having a human experience, you know, because then it starts to lean into more of that. And if, and for me, then it started to remove fear from and I guess look at the frigid, frigiliana fragility of life and how precious this isn’t. And that we have, we actually only have, we do have a start and an end date here. Like, you know, and not to say that we should go out and quit our jobs tomorrow and just, you know, do crazy can if you want but you know, but to me, then it really ignited something in me to go wow, that’s, that’s live life like this is this is pretty, pretty unique that what we have here, and to make the most of that, which starts to remove the undertones of fear, a kind of we’re not even know that there. But, uh, uh, guiding our choices. You know, if I look back in my life, and look where things are bitten me on the ass, long term, it’s probably because I made the decision based upon fear consciously or unconsciously, quite often. Yeah. You know, and it’s just kind of been manifested into that way, when I see the old selfie, or wow, you know, what was I thinking? This or That was insecure, or whatever it might be. And it wasn’t, I wasn’t fully expressing myself. You know? I don’t know why I was going with that. But I know

Matt 32:46
but fear, like, if you move if that’s the thing, though, it’s like, because I think using words like spirituality and mysticism and the mystical experience and this kind of stuff. It’s like, a lot of people just short circuit then. And don’t even, like, just turn

Guy 33:03
off. Yeah, gone. See you later. See you later, still listening.

Matt 33:11
But it it is that it’s that sense of all that sense of wonder. That sense of mystery, that ability to change your perception. All those things that we’ve just been talking about, that having a spiritual practice actually gives you and that if you start if you’re making choices from fear, fear is a contractive. State within ourselves, we contract we, because off and so our possibilities are limited in that state. But if we go from a place of all a wonder, there’s more possibility there’s, there’s a greater potential of choice. And who wouldn’t want that in their lives? And I think, I mean, we see it in the world today, there’s this there’s such it’s only it’s either this way or that way. That’s that’s all that you got. And if you don’t go this way, then you’re wrong. Or if you go this way, you’re right. But, you know, it’s either or, but that’s just that’s not the true nature of reality. There’s, there’s this and and, and, and end, like an infinite potential of possibilities. I think, for me, that’s that’s what’s been so beautiful about having that vantage point of the concept that I’m a spiritual being having a human experience is that I don’t get so hooked into the duality that’s going on in reality of my physical body, in mind, and that then I actually am capable of making choices that may not have been apparent from that place of awareness. And in those moments, it’s more of an expanded Aha, and a choice point that leads me into something that has never been here before. And it’s like, I mean, how can you create something that’s never Been if you’re just utilising the mind that has always been you can’t you got to use a mind that’s greater than the mind that you’re actually perceiving your life with and that is accessible to us through awe and wonder

Guy 35:15
true but when you say that what I never used to think about like when you say create from a mind but quite often it’s still think what like think harder think more, you know what I mean? Yeah, and because we’re so used to thinking with our thoughts and just thinking and trying to solve problems and we’re in that left side mind, but I actually think for me now I think in my mind is my heart and that knowing that that’s beyond the analytical mind that’s greater than that that we it’s like we we kind of know the difference from what’s right and wrong like as human beings but we get conditioned out of us along the way but when we wrote there’s there’s an unconditional aspect of us that doesn’t need to be taught it’s there you know, and it’s like if we connect back to that, then that’s the old knowing that allows information past get past the thinking mind. Does makes sense.

Matt 36:16
Yeah, totally. The heart and then also the Do you ever do you ever like take the role of the thinker behind the thoughts? Like you ever wonder who’s thinking the thoughts

Guy 36:32
I do?

Matt 36:35
Who’s making the thoughts think or where those thoughts coming from? Yeah, and that you can actually create a vantage point in yourself outside of yourself. And see from there you do that all the time? You told me that before? What’s the thing you do you imagine that there’s a camera crew around or how

Guy 36:53
is a few things I do one I imagine like being being followed around with the camera crew and like if what would they what would they capture on camera later if they could see me now kind of thing and it really makes me become aware makes me come where I’m holding my posture. How am I speaking? Oh my breathing. Yeah, like us it’s it’s massive. And the other one I do is when I when I have problems now I’ll go into my heart and closer and then I’ll just see myself drifting off going higher and higher, bigger and bigger, higher and higher and become like just visualise it and nothing is actually happening in that moment brother son I am I feel so much greater than this minute thing I’m I’m travelling over and I’ll sit in that space and quite often it allows me to at least overcome the emotions that I’m feeling in that moment. And then as I settle myself down I normally start to get insight and wisdom coming from the greater mind that created it you know so so I’m always I’m always quick not to quickly respond or react I should say react right? Yeah, yeah. You know, and these things help I like to breathe Okay, what’s going on?

Matt 38:11
Yeah, yeah. Well that that that image of as you’re talking about that larger and larger vantage point I’m just thinking of an image of you know, it’s like the ants going like going from the anthill to grab some food and then it wants to come back and like they’ll imagine you put your foot down there and then it hits the the same path that it was gonna walk on it comes up against the foot the obstacle right? And you don’t see ants just beating over somebody’s foot to try and get to the path or just back up and they just find a different way around. Yeah, and so it’s like this we don’t what if you actually saw above and could see a bird’s eye view from an anti would actually know why Yeah,

Guy 38:50
I just need to fly trying to get through the glass all the time. Yeah, yeah. So So to wrap up this podcast, we’ve gone we’ve gone over but that’s all right. I just we close this like what? Let’s for me, it’s like anyone that’s listening to this far. Maybe let’s give a few things to contemplate on to no matter where you are on the journey that might that might support you in some way especially in these these times. And you know, the first thing that came to me I think about uncovering all this is it’s especially because we can be in stress a lot but one question I asked myself is Will my future self thank me for this if I if I do this right now. And, and if it’s a no I don’t know. You know, it’s it’s quite simple. But what that does, it nurtures because I think with this work, and the thing Because at the end of the day from for me, it’s been about wanting to bring more peace of mind, in my life more joy in my life and actually don’t become so don’t sweat the small stuff so much, you know, like, on a daily basis. Certainly not there yet. But But you know, if I compare myself to the guy five years ago or 10 years ago, it’s it’s a very different person from that, you know, and you could say life’s experiences teach you that you kind of do get a little bit wiser as you get older. Not always. But you learn.

Matt 40:35
We have moments. Yeah, always moments.

Guy 40:39
Yeah, but but I guess, saying that for me, then it. If I start, I genuinely want to enjoy the days, and I have a practice where I make sure I have moments in my days where I can go, Well, I’m fully present here. I’m really enjoying this moment right now. And I think with technology and fear and inflammation, and everything has come by it can we can lose that quite quickly. You know, and I try to strive for more of those moments now than ever. So looking after myself allows me to find them easier.

Matt 41:20
Yeah, yeah. 100%? Yeah, I think I think what, what I would suggest to, because I guess at the end of the day, what we’ve just uncovered through this is, spirituality is the being open to a sense of awe and mystery that allows for an openness and a shift in perception. When you say, yeah, so how do you then nurture that state within yourself. And that comes from more regular practices, I mean, we say this till we’re blue in the face, don’t we get up every morning and have like some sort of meditation where you could just open to the possibility, whatever that looks like for you, I mean, we’ve got a seven day challenge where people can lean into short meditations throughout the day to start to nurture that. But I think also, if you’ve got an aversion to meditation, or any kind of practice, you can do what you’re doing all the time, it’s just start to notice your breath, it starts to notice how you hold your body. Because if you’re holding stress in your body, or restriction in your breath, then you’re going to create a stress and restriction in your life, and you’re going to inhibit that ability to be an all wonder, and that ability to shift your perception you’re going to be locked in. So notice throughout the day, just the simple practice, you can even set a reminder on your phone, you know, every hour Ping. And that means relax my jaw, deep in my breath. And just be open. See what happens. Totally.

Guy 43:17
You know, I want to wrap up with one last thing though, to say that because you know, it’s safe to say we’re pretty passionate about this work, we always have conversations all the time, we just happen to be recording this, there will probably be a similar conversation over the phone, right? You know, so so we get excited by that. And, and once you start having glimpses of what we spoke about today, once you start to create a new reference point to it’s like you, you, you carve a line down the, the the bobsled snow of the first time, you know, and also you go Oh, and then you and then you run it again and it kind of becomes a much more conditioned way and then all of a sudden you’re your reality and that’s when the shift in perspective changes because you start to have these experiences that do go shit, that was cool. I wonder where my next one’s gonna be? And what was that gonna look like and have these these insights and experiences and to me that that that becomes exciting, that becomes an adventure. And it’s like, we start to embrace the unknown in that area, then go within. And somebody once said to me, you know, the greatest junior level goes within I’m like, what, like, Why, what? You know, and then but when when you start having mystical experiences that give you a sense of all joy and wonder to the possibilities, that there’s something more to it than meets the eye or our five senses. Then Then it for me, it just changes the whole paradigm. You stop chasing more of material things, physical things and stuff that you’re just never going to take with you at the end of the day. Anyway, you know, when you start looking, you start wanting to embody and experience life more, you know, And I think it’s crucial thanks crucial so putting yourself around like minded people put neurons of people where you can have these conversations on a regular basis and create that sense of wonder and awe is critical to and it’s why we do what we do. And you know, kind of moved in that direction. Anything to add before the podcast ends?

Matt 45:26
No. I feel complete.

Guy 45:29
Complete. Yeah, beautiful, beautiful. Well, thank you for listening. If you want to find out more what we were doing come back to live in flow call. Matt. You mentioned the seven day challenge the seven days of meditation that’s actually freely available on our website if you haven’t grabbed it, you can get that it’s three short meditations morning noon and night. It’s a great way this myself Matt and Patrick, I need one that’s a great place to start as well. And of course touchwood we’ll be up and running with the retreats in 2022 I can the workshops and so yeah, we hold space online every week as well whether it be through breath sound, regression meditations where we’re doing lots of stuff online as well so just best place to do again live overflow.com and that

Matt 46:19
is amazing.

Guy 46:21
Thanks legends so I got I got to make sure I forget when I hit the Facebook Live. Awesome.