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San:
You’re going to witness a healing and I’m like, yeah, okay. And literally I kid you not guy in 40 minutes that foot went from gangrenous black to pink and color, you can literally shift gears and become fully awakened. to who you are in seconds. It’s not exclusive to one individual. The more you surround yourself by it, the more the potential and the possibilities are raised.

I have very vivid memories of being able to see through my hand into the next room, which is just the state of awareness and your ability to harness that energy, which is the magical part of the journey of self realization. Is there a point when you access that you access heaven on earth?

Guy:
My guest today is San Quinn. And I absolutely love this conversation with this man. What a great human being. He is a Taoist Master and we randomly connected and I invited him on the podcast and wow. All I can say is just sit back and enjoy. It’s a wonderful conversation. He knows how to put stories together and the way he shares his journey.

By the end of this podcast, I really felt like we only scratched the surface today. And it’s kind of like, wow, I wanted to know more by the end of it. Like, so I’ve, I’ll be inviting him back on the podcast later in the year, but be sure to let me know what you think in the comments below, if you’re on YouTube, of course, let me know where you are in the world as well and what you get out of it.

Yeah. Great man. Great conversation. And like I said, so much more to learn from this guy. Also, if you want to join us live in person and dive down the rabbit hole with us, we’ll be doing our one day events up and down the coast of Australia throughout the year. And of course, our five day retreats, there might be still a couple of spots left in Bali at the end of April, 2025.

If you’re seeing this, we’re going to be running one in Australia in June. And which is selling already. And of course, Croatia at the end of the year. Come and join us. I promise you won’t regret. And if all that feels too much as free meditations below as well, all links are below. Get amongst it. Enjoy this podcast.

Much love from me and see you soon.

San, welcome to the podcast, my man.

San:
Ah, it’s a pleasure brother. It’s a pleasure to be here. I’m very excited.

Guy:
Me too. Me too. I feel like I’m only now really starting to discover. You’re yourself and your work after, you know, we had a conversation and I was lucky enough to be on your podcast last week and Instantly, I’m like my man. You gotta come on like I really want to get to know you more and and spread the word So firstly, I really appreciate it Secondly, if you were at an Aussie barbecue right now, mate And there were some strangers hanging around and they came up to you started chatting and asked you what you did for a living How do you answer?

San:
Well, I’ve never really been shy. So, you know, back when it wasn’t popular, like 30 years ago, some of the very deeper ancient rituals of, of the practice of being an ordained priest would be things like, you know, they go to old fashioned feng shui, exorcisms, energy, all that kind of crazy stuff that people just go, holy shit, this is real. So that’d be like, well, what do you do for a living? Oh, well, I help people find their path. And they’re like, that’s very weird. And I mean, I’ve had the same dialogue for, for 30 years in this very topic. And I find it really interesting how it’s evolved in the last maybe five or 10 where people are, Being curious about that word consciousness not back in the day when you know, Bruce Lee threw it out there flow like water The conscious awakening and all that kind of good stuff from the 70s You are now really immersed in and even within the lens of physics and science People are curious What that actually means and how to embody it.

So, uh, in a nutshell, I’m an ordained priest that teaches people internal alchemy, which basically is the, the, the decipherer to your own self realization within this space. So I like to talk about the currency. Which is the material. Moreover, the energy potential that you create. So if we were to go like sort of summarize it into a physics model, it would be like to wave to matter.

The particle realized with your attention intention cutting from the cloth. the primordial mother, which is the unified state. And you create distortion as my dear friend, the Buddhist monk would say, the Dukkha. And that’s that charge you and I got because we’re oscillating. We’re in, we’re in union right now.

And this is the exciting part about the electromagnetism within this dualistic perspective, because this is the substance. This is the stuff that we use to identify the experience that we’re having. And of course, you know, All seekers are looking for that unification. They want to find that center point. Furthermore, some people will refer to it as the vesicle, uh, within Taoism referred to it as the Wuji, the primordial mother between the breath in and the breath out.

Guy:
I’m gonna jump in there cuz there’s a lot in there Already and I love it. I’m just nodding my head going. We’re gonna have a great conversation today The thing I feel is that many of us are completely unaware of what you said about attention Intense cutting from you know, we have this great universe that we are part of like there’s no separation But we’re so blinded by Our stresses our problems our worries and everything and it kind of severs the tie, right?

Um And was that you at any stage? How, like, A, how, what is an ordained priest? How did you become one? And what was life like before being an ordained priest? There’s, there’s a lot there. And

San:
So, you know, I would say at the age of four, I want to summarize my journey. I mean, I can get really deep into some stories, my friend, I got a lot, but if I was to summarize my, my journey, it started at the age of four when I, you know, was a latchkey kid with a single parent being a radical feminist from the seventies who had a different theory or ideal of what reality was.

So I spent a lot of my time. With this nurturing sort of maternal energy being surrounded by women of all different shapes, weights and sizes and, and, and all of the above. So I spent my childhood that way. So in most cases, I, my, my go to would be my imagination and furthermore, I have very vivid memories of, of being able to see through my hand into the next room, which is just the state of awareness and your ability to, to harness that energy, which is the magical part of the journey of self realization. So when you get to that state, you furthermore through inquiry, we like to call it inquiry to, you know, uh, contemplation. And then that curiosity turns into a Basically, I hope the hope turns into a belief system. The belief system is only nurtured and realized through the experience. You must be able to experience it.

You must be able to feel it. You’re thinking you’re not knowing if you’re knowing you’re feeling. I mean, this is the charge that you and I are dancing back, back and forth with that symbiotic sort of like relationship, that commune that we’re having with the unity. And so I went from that to the age of 10.

I had, you know, Really sort of walk the path of being sort of to my own devices, really looking towards Hollywood to create my nurturing effect of my fatherhood, which range from, you know, Sylvester Stallone to Tom Cruise. I mean, you name it. They’re all my daddy, right? That type of creation turned into I need something more because I was being subjected to bullying. So then I really embodied the physical. So the physical turned into, um, my fascination with creating. Because I was a creator, I was also an artist. I started drawing and painting when I was a young boy. My grandmother mentored me through that state and I became very familiar with being able to create in any medium very quickly and successfully an image and something that was very alike, or a lot of people would call it. What I like to call pop culture. So I was fascinated with physical bodies and, and the human form and the face. And so I’d capture the, the essence of subjects, movie stars. So I’d be drawing these turning into something more palpable just from looking at it, you go, you’ve captured the soul, you look into the eyes. And so I went from that to. I’m getting bullied. I need to feel more, um, empowered with my own self. So I started bodybuilding. And so I picked up this book at the age of 10 Education of a Bodybuilder by this guy by the name of Arnold Schwarzenegger. it was my Bible. And you know, within a few hours of reading that book, I was at the local church upstairs in what they could sit at a gym, which was basically a bench and a bar and a couple of dusty old weights.

And I had no barometer as to what that was. So I just put 42, 45 on, uh, on the bar, which is insane. As you understand it. Back in those days, there was really no about counterbalance. Go ahead.

Guy:
you were 10 years old. Wow.

San:
And I, I got three reps out and then, um, It dropped on my chest and I held it there for 50 minutes before someone turned up to take the weights off in my mind. I’m like, well, what’s the limitation? I don’t have one. No one’s giving me, you know, boundaries or, or, or guardrails that this can’t be possible. So I just embodied that whole lifestyle right down to the food, the eggs, the, you know, all the stuff back in, back in those days. we’re talking about the 80s where people had no understanding of what microbiome was, or how bioavailable things were, or how you’re really going to absorb the nutrients. So, I went from that, and then, um, uh, you know, it Progressed to competing a couple of times within power lifting and bodybuilding.

By the age the late teens, I had successfully started lifting some obscenely stupid weights. Now we’re talking weights that are, you know, in the hundreds. At one point I peaked at a 800 pound deadlift, 800 pound squat. Yes. And, uh, this is the fascination that you have now. You’re a supplement guy. So you’re familiar, you’re from the background of, of Australia. Ever heard of a supplement, a company called Musashi?

Guy:
Yes, of course.

San:
Yeah. Back in the day that used to be quite something back in the eighties, but that was like forefront cutting edge stuff. these days, I don’t know the, I knew the owner quite well and he sold the product. He sold the company. You, you remember who the owner was or you familiar with him? Anyway, he was, he was on the forefront of, he wanted to defy and demystify the, the drug induced sort of state that most people get under when it comes to bodybuilding. Now, I was just under the impression that if you put your mind to it, you can achieve it. And that took me to a level where I was fasting at the age of 10 or 11.

I was eating one meal a day and that was just instinctual. And you start to progress and you realize, Holy Molly, look at it today, how people have gotten that greater insight to how these things work. Now, at that point I had a voice in my head going, the hubcaps are coming off the wheels and something is going to happen. Something bad is going to happen to you. You’re not going to be able to maintain this. You need to find this thing called meditation. So in those days meditation was Hare Krishnas and yogas and people eating alfalfa sprouts And I’m a crush em guy lift weights destroy things in no way in my mind Did I think I would associate myself with meditation and the voice was like you got to go you’re gonna find it So through that I told my kids my sixth kid I’m like, I went to this thing and I picked up this thing called a newspaper and they’re like, what’s that dad? Well, that had a classified section in it. And I found someone that was offering a free class. And, and so they’re like, wow, that’s really antiquated technology. Yeah. Yeah. It’s definitely today you pick up your cell phone and you have instant information. So I went to this class. no expectation, but I had this desire to find this meditation thing. Now, little did I know through bodybuilding, these types of things were completely, um, beyond the threshold. You got to understand most people would look at me and go, well, what are you running mate? You know, come on, let’s be honest. There’s, there’s no way that you are just eating alfalfa sprouts, broccoli, chicken, and steak.

It’s not happening. Quite frankly, I mean, I’m 5’11 possibly. I think my biological father was 6’2 I could have been taller. Who knows? But I put my attention and all my hormonal cascade was being focused on building this muscle tissue. My attention created that now when I get to that point where I’m in a sort of like what we call a youth center in the middle of nowhere, this little grand master, this woman’s about four foot high. She’s offering this three minute meditation class. I’m thinking, I don’t know, this is a bad neighborhood, dogs barking, screaming, the people screaming. It’s insanity. I go into the place. People look at me like you’re a shadow. You’re an eclipse. Why are you afraid of anything? Well, it became quite clear to me by the time I got into the room. I couldn’t take my focus off the sound in the background. By the time I got into the actual rec center, I sat down with a half a dozen misfits that are all beggars. choosers. And this woman, when I’m sitting down attempting to do this thing called a lotus position, my back is killing me. I’m suffering pain. I’m a gorilla looking like I’m trying to scratch my ass. It didn’t work. So I’m thinking, look, a lot of this, I need to just cut my losses and leave. This thing is not going to work. Whatever this meditation is. I don’t have it. I mean, from what I know, it’s a stillness thing. I don’t know what stillness is, but I’m thinking about all this other stuff, this distraction everywhere. And she stands there and I’m, I’m sitting down and she comes up to here and she stands in the middle of this half circle with a bunch of other misfits. And she says, Listen to my voice and I’m like, okay, um, when my eyes are open, my back’s hurting, I got noise everywhere. And she said, when you listen to my voice, everything will fall away. And the second she said that, it continued like this. And I went, holy shit, whatever this is, I want it. I must have it the most powerful thing that I’ve ever experienced. Now this went on for 15 minutes, guy, where there was complete silence. And my eyes are open and I’m just looking around going, How is this possible? Like, am I in some freaky, like, movie? Or, it just didn’t seem possible.

It was so profound. I’d never harnessed anything like that in my life. Now, over that time, the sound dissipated. Cher voice came back into the room, and I said, that’s my journey. I need to find this. And so I went on a path that started with, uh, um, basically pursuing, uh, anything that would be sort of out of the ordinary, uh, within a few days, I started, um, channeling for the first time. So I walked into this channeling class with this guy that had 60 years in the game and he was like, you’re a son of a bitch. I had,

Guy:
Where are you living at this point? Like, you’ve got access to all these things. Like, I was in the valleys of Wales, mate. There was nothing. Nothing

San:
yeah. Yeah, Yeah, well, I mean, we’re talking about right now. I’m in Las Vegas, Nevada. So, you know, for me on that timeline, uh, Sydney, Sydney, Australia. So you’re, you’re cosmopolitan, right? So when you look at Sydney, Australia, I mean, it was basically my opinion. If someone did a major test between Melbourne and Sydney, Sydney is always going to win. are like, how dare you wear more cosmopolitan in Melbourne? No, no, no, no, no. This is Sydney. I mean, I went through, you know, every suburb as a child from Randwick to Coogee to you name it, and then I would go back and forth between my grandmother’s place and my, my mother’s current job. Which could be anywhere from, you know, Griffith, Leighton, Bathurst, Orange, Orange was a big one, moving all over the place.

But all this, all this access to information was in Sydney because I mean, this is where you walk into the center of Sydney and you got Hare Krishna’s everywhere. They’re just dancing in the street. I mean, you, it was a phenomenon at the time. It just didn’t seem real.

Guy:
So you wandered into a channeling workshop a few days later.

San:
Yes.

Guy:
Please

San:
the crazy part, right? I’m, I’m a Neanderthal. So this guy’s looking at me like, I don’t know what you’re doing here, but Hey, I’ll take you 10 bucks, whatever. You know, I mean, let’s be spiritual, right? You’re looking at the room. Everyone’s wearing the attire that would be appropriate. And you’ve got this bodybuilder that is sitting here going, uh, I don’t know what, what, what I’m supposed to do, but I’m inspired to want to attempt this. And he’s looking at me like, well, you know, 10, 20 bucks here. It’s not going to hurt. So I’m sitting down and literally the first time he drew in his teachers and all of a sudden I had a lightning bolt charge through my whole body that reverberated and radiated this immense heat and oscillating. And that you can feel the charge through yourself.

When I’m speaking on this, it’s like so dense because A little did I know I’m just refreshing my own memory of my past lives. If anyone in the audience believes in reincarnation, reincarnation, I’m just having an epiphany. And so let’s do just come straight through next minute. I’ve got everyone in the class with their sticks to their marshmallows sitting around this.

I’m just speaking this wisdom teaching that I have no idea like. We’re going from never meditated to channeling within a day or two later. And it just gets better. We just got started guys. I’ll continue. When you’re going to, you’re going to be quite pleasantly surprised. But what I like this story is understanding that I remind people that you can be, and I, and I came from a background where I was, uh, introduced to church of England when I was a young boy.

And then my mother’s like, Hey, you’re not really interested in it. Just let it leave it alone. I consciously thought I was an atheist. For a couple of years because it sounded like a big word that would be appropriate to someone that doesn’t believe in God. Now that changed in a fraction of a second once I moved through these, these cogs. And it was an awakening like I’ve never experienced before yet. Have I seen it in students? Have I seen it in others over the decades that I’ve been teaching? 1000%. I always remind people you can literally shift gears and become fully awakened to who you are in seconds. It, it’s not, it’s not exclusive to one person or individual, but what happens is the more you surround yourself by it, the more the potential and the possibilities are raised.

The bar, the bar is raised, the opportunity is raised. So I went to this channeling class. I started channeling lasu. I’m now hearing his voice and I’m seeing this image. And now I’m like about three seconds away from thinking I’m, I’m having a psychotic episode and everyone’s telling me how amazing this is and I can’t believe that it’s possible for you to be able to do this.

You’re a Neanderthal. Now, for quite some time, I would break chairs just straight up. Just if I was sitting in a chair, I just, I would vibrate and, and oscillate to a point where a chair would just break no matter what it was. And the teacher was like, Oh, don’t worry. You’ve got all this muscle. The second you lose it. Just let it go. It’ll just start to be more fluid and it’ll be less effort for you to, to harness this energy. And in, you know, I would say that that could be detrimental, potentially. I would never recommend that to anyone because I can literally move into the, the vibrating, uh, oscillating state that I’m in right now, if I choose to, and give you an example of how the energy is moving. And it always has its own fluidity. And it will come in different forms, but in most cases people start to oscillate in what would seem like an infinity sign where you start moving around like it. Um, if I had to mimic it right now, the energy is going on. Go ahead.

Guy:
No, I’m just nodding my head because that happens to me all the time, right? And I wonder, you know, If I, what’s always on the back of my mind sometimes, is the movement a way of communication as well? Is there something in the actual, because sometimes it, it, like you say, moves in this infinity eight.

Sometimes it just twists and holds or moves your head, you know, like it’s incredible. What are your thoughts on that? Sorry,

San:
really depends on where you’re tuning yourself into. I would not. So you can really, the second you merge with an energy, it will start to exhibit those traits. So what this is, is like a very deep, divine, like, um, Uh, transmission, right? Which more commonly if you were to sort of water it down to someone who might be in a on a path of of more, um, scientific explanation, we would refer to it as an EDO motor idiogram.

Experience because you are having divinity transmit through your physical flesh. This is the tuning fork. This is a barometer of your experience where, and so you know how you’re moving right now, if you actually fell into it, the energy is running through you. You’re highly sensitive to the energy, my friend. you can experience it instantaneously. You would exhibit it in infinity and whatever that would transmit, depending upon what it is that you’re channeling yourself, it can go in the form of fire, water, earth, metal, these elements will start to present themselves more clearly. And depending upon what you’re, you’re, um, focusing your attention on, you are the barometer, you’re the tuning fork. so the, these, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah.

Guy:
don’t want to cut you off because you, I’m loving every word of it and there’s this one other loop in my mind I’d love to close out and I think it’d be good for our listeners as well. Do you feel that because of your body building background, The way you constructed your mind and all that intent intention that awareness that focus Plus the the fact you must have been eaten very cleanly to support your body that it became such a conduit Vessel because of your lifestyle and everything you were doing up to that point Actually supported it.

It’s like game on straight away.

San:
Well, yeah, I, I think there’s something to that. I mean, I was eating brown rice birthday cakes for years.

It’s like my, my mother would be like, oh, what’s your birthday again? Brown rice, birthday cake. It is. I mean, there was definitely a level of, uh, what you would perceive as discipline and in some to some degree suffering, but I would look at food as sustenance.

I wouldn’t look at it as something as a ritual. Now, today I very much have created a ritual out of consumption of food, but I still Uh, very much focused on less is more. So, you know, all the evidence is very clear. And I knew this intuitively within the fasting path that for a Taoist, especially Taoist cultivator, the programming of, of, The highest level of awareness would come in the form of a meal every second day. And that meal every second day, you will have more energy than you know what to do with. You’ll be like, Holy crap. I don’t drink coffee. I don’t take stimulants. I have so much energy. And I mean, this is exhibited just by. Recognizing how intuitive two ends of the spectrum, whether you are a child or you are someone that potentially could be at the end of their life as they’ve spent many decades, an elderly person, there is two things that take place intuitively, is to start to maintain and to utilize this conduit, this energy, this force, flesh and blood, which is the anchor. So as a child, if you observe a child, I let my kids just wake up and they, they, when they burn out and they’re like, Hmm, need something to eat that. And it’s like six o’clock at night. It’s because that’s what they need that they think is necessary. And in lots of cases, it’s psychological. It’s not even a physical state that is in need of. And furthermore, when you look at an elderly person, as they start to want to maintain a minimize damage to themselves or extend their life, they start to eat less. They need to move more and eat less. And what happens is you’re pleasantly surprised of how much more you get out of your life. I mean, I just had this conversation with my mother.

It’s like you, if you, the old expression, use it or lose it. is very clear. And so the simple things I, I honestly believe that lots who brought me to the bodybuilding and then my obsession with bodybuilding made me absolutely expansive within the physicality. So I’d already banged out those energy centers just by embodying and feeling the tangibility of the flesh against resistance that gave me that intuitive, uh, state of understanding, which if you were to look at it from an energetic potential, I’d already activated at least three or four, uh, uh, what someone would consider chakras, we call them dantians. And so we normally look at the first nine dantians within the energetic potential of any seeker and more, uh, ancient practices, they call them chakras and transpersonal points.

Guy:
you explain the dantians briefly, please

San:
Yeah, the dancians are what we consider the, the energy points that link the seeker front to the earth and the universe. And so when you create what we call the more simply just the energy field, the energy elixir. And so we were referred to that and we go deeper into it when we work on Ni Gong, which is internal power through Ni Dan, which is called the internal alchemy. And that is a very, very method based system that will help you realize your potential and completely alter your definition of reality through this lens by using the material, which becomes, you become a seeker to an hour when you’re able to repeat these things. They’re self realized. It’s not a figment of your imagination.

It’s not a transitory thing. We had a fleeting moment. You’re able to harness that energy so that it’s repeatable. And, and, and you can show others how to access this cultivational practice. That’s what a Dantian is to a Taoist.

Guy:
wow so You back to your channel in Lao Tzu. What did you do with that after you come out

San:
other than go from, I can harness what I didn’t really define as space and time, but that’s exactly what was going on. There was a complete, dissolve of present and future. And I was in the now moment that was like, so sobering and profound just to realize that to go to the channeling and then have someone tell me that I’m not having a psychotic episode. I literally walked out of that guy like I’d been in a sauna for five hours. It was so much juice. And then I had this voice in my head to me and I’m like, okay, I’m three cents short of a dollar at this point. I’m in. And so he was also teaching um, clairvoyant stuff, right? So we go from channeling to clever.

I’m like, what have I got to lose at this point? So it was like, This is what really became interesting because at this point I’m like doing this thing that they call channeling. I’m channeling this spirit. I’m hearing his voice. It’s very clear to me and he’s giving me insight. And every time he, he would talk, I have a complete visceral somatic kinesthetic response where my whole body is vibrating. And I’m just like, Holy shit, this is crazy. And I could see him. Which was even more. I’m like, okay, now something’s really going on. I think I’m having a psychotic episode because I’m starting to see this entity, the spirit, they call it visually. Like I see you and I’m hearing his voice as I hear yours,

Guy: Not, not with a third eye, but actually visually through your eyes.

San:
eyes open.

Guy:
Wow.

San:
And that was even freakier because there was substance there. So I can see him just like I see him in the room right now. He’s sitting next to me. There is a presence. There’s a density that comes with that. Now, a lot of people talk about the relationship that you have with your spirit guides, your teachers, your ascended masters. These are all, um, transitory until otherwise noted, you want to have this Uh, permanence in this tangibility, like his auric field, his energy potential is so tangible that you can experience it. And I have others experienced that energy. I have him move through them so they can feel the vibratory change in their physical body.

Even if they can’t see him, they’ll be like, holy crap, what is going on? As you said, he’s walking into my body. I’m experienced a whole heap of energy and all these things are happening to me and I can’t define them, but I can tell you it’s real. This is the type of stuff that I get all excited about because you need to be able to validate the experience.

So the next day he starts teaching channeling, um, uh, clairvoyant stuff. And I’m like, What have I got to lose? And he was just looking at me like, well, you got one down, but this stuff you’re not going to get, you know, you might be a little bit of a, a, a, um, potential, uh, a golden boy or whatever, whatever you want to call it, but you’re not going to get this channeling down.

This is seriously for the big boys. I’m like, okay. So he gave me the fundamentals. He goes, now read mice aura. And I’m like, Okay, and I’m just looking at him and next minute information is very clear and I said to him there’s An energy that’s telling me that if you don’t stop doing what you’re doing By siphoning the energy of all your students to this lower frequency, they call it, you will die. And he’s like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. Uh, uh, stand up, let’s go in the other room. And I’m like, is that real? He’s just like, I’m just like, was I right? And he’s like, listen, listen, you need to be quiet right now. And I need to talk to you. I’m like, I wasn’t really listening to what it was saying as much as I actually got this instant information that was accessible to me and I was sharing it with someone else as a sounding board and it was correct. And he’s like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. You can’t say this to anyone. I’m like, Was this real? Is this really happening? Did, did he’s like, look, I had this situation where I get these, these teachings and they come in all these sort of like, uh, forms of what we call clairvoyance, the stuff that I’m teaching you. And I get these super powers through this relationship with this energy. And I’m just, this is real. I got it right. And he’s like, listen, you need to just. Pipe it down a little bit. I want you to calm down. You can’t share this with rest of the class. And, and well, well the energy said you’re going to die if you don’t stop what you’re doing. he’s like, I can’t stop. And I’m like, okay. Um, I, I, I wasn’t even that concerned. I was more of the fact that he validated what I said and said it was real. I’m like, Holy crap. This stuff is insane because it would come up guy and I would see it. So within his auric field, I would see all the energy potential now. More refined within a Taoist cultivation practice.

When you’re reading auras, these are the very traits that you look at. You look at the energy centers and within the energy centers, there is an excess or deficiency of the motion to virtue state and it reveals itself very clearly. So like you’re reading a menu, I’ll look at someone and I’ll see the excess to deficiency and the information will be sitting there and you give someone their mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual state inside of a few seconds.

And that’s what blows people’s minds. They’re like, how do you do that? Okay. I mean, you don’t know me. You’ve like had five seconds talking to me and you’re giving me things about myself that I hide and hold close to myself because everything is energy. Everything is influential and everything is sitting there, but you must develop and nurture these skills so that they can be very clear to you with your eyes open or closed. In most cases, by the time I get done with most of my students, they’re very comfortable being able to see this with their eyes open because it’s a cultivational practice. It’s not something that is denied to some where people go, you’ve got a gift. Only you can do what I can’t. That to me from my own experience and the amount of clicks I have in this experience, as some of my friends, Tom Campbell would call it the game in the game of virtual reality, this is very accessible to everybody. You just have to have a method of, of cultivation. And I think that’s why Dallas alchemy is so powerful. So I read this guy and I said, look. This is going on. He goes, don’t tell anyone. I’m like, okay, I think that’s kind of despicable to be honest with you. My my personality that you’re doing these things to people and you’re basically what Bob Monroe would call loosing their energy, which at the time was not clear to me.

It was more like it said that they’re getting the energy from his students. And so Yeah, I mean, the big sobering part was six months later, I was holding him in my arms and he ended up dying from brain cancer.

Guy:
Wow.

San:
it was a crazy part. So I went from that. Then the following day, it gets even better than this.

So I get a crash course in distant healing, right? This is all within the same week. I mean, you can’t make this stuff up. It’s kind of crazy. But it, I it would be, so my, my at, I attribute this to, guess what? I see things at face value. I was childlike in my nature. I just expected it. Right? So when you have the, the perception.

Or the perspective as a bodybuilder. I go in, I lift weight. If I use a system, a method, guess what? That method will acquire strength. That method will acquire muscle. That method will acquire endurance if I follow a formula. So I didn’t, I didn’t have an expectation that that wouldn’t take place. I didn’t have a background in it. It just happened. So the next day it turned into distant healing. And so I went through this class and the day was over. And I had all the paperwork, all the diagrams, how to do it, all the rest of it. I get home and there’s this thing we call a rotary phone. Has anyone ever heard of us?

Guy:
Yeah, I remember them.

San:
And so my friend calls me up and she goes, look, I’m not going to meet you. busted my ankle. It’s the size of a watermelon. It’s not happening. I’m not, I can’t see you. I’m sorry. I’m like, Oh, that’s a bummer. I was really looking forward to seeing you. And she’s just about to get off the phone and I go, wait one minute, wait. She’s like, what? like. I’m going to try this thing.

I, uh, I was learning today. She’s like, what? Just give me a minute and let’s see what happens. I mean, what’s, what’s the worst thing to happen? Nothing. So she had no idea what I was doing. And, and I said, look, the end of this thing, there’s this thing that says on here, it’s called an incantation. going to read the incantation out and then tell me what happens. And she’s like, will you hurry up, man? I’m in a lot of pain. I just want to just relax. Can you just hurry up? I’m like, all right, all right. So I follow the instruction and I get to the incantation and the incantation was so simplistic. It’s not even funny. Heal, heal, heal, heal, heal. by the time I said the last heel, I’m not kidding you. got, and I said, what, what, what, what, what? goes, what kind of sorcery shit are you up to? I’m like, what are you talking about? She goes, my ankle shrunk before my very eyes and I’m standing on it right now. I have no pain. I’m like, get the out of here. You’re full of shit. There’s no way I’m kid you not. I am standing here on the ankle that was the size of a watermelon that I was attempting to have to, in my mind, nurture for several weeks. Because you and I understand how the blood flow works with connective tissue as opposed to skeletal muscle. Injuries of that nature can take weeks. months to nurture and heal and I didn’t have any other contemplation with that and I’m thinking she’s full of shit And she goes get over here.

I’ll show you and I’m like alright, so I Drove over to a house and you’re not gonna believe this. She runs to me gives me a hug And she was in her mother’s house, more of an affluent type of, uh, uh, scenario. She was a well to do, had a, a bunch of money and her daughter, I guess, was, I don’t know, a, a child of someone with lots of money, maybe. Anyway, so she runs to me, gives me a hug and I’m like, what’s going on here? Um, you, you don’t have any, and she, you know, back in those days, we, we call these things, they’re called, um, uh, um, What’s that? What’s that stuff that they used to take photos of? Um, Polaroids. And she was nuts with the Polaroid.

She’d take a photo of anything and she goes, look at this. And I’m like, holy shit. Her ankle was the size of a watermelon. I’m like, I’m not still not buying it right now. I think I’m crazy anyway, because I’ve done the channeling. I’ve done the meditation. This stuff is getting more insane. And I need sort of somewhere to house this and Harbor this where I can get around someone and have a conversation where, um, Someone can validate.

I’m not insane because I’m at this point where this cut, what else could happen at this point? So she’s showing me this photo. I freak out in the mother sitting there completely like someone who’s only being told yes to. So she’s a bloated whale sits in her chair. Were you going to say something? So she’s abloated while she’s sitting at her, like, uh, her chair with a foot up on, on this little, uh, stool. Can’t see, I don’t think she’s seen her feet in years and she’s puffing away. You know, it was kind of normal. You know, secondhand spoke is fun thing to do back in the eighties. Love that secondhand smoke. It’s awesome. she’s puffing away. Her remedy for her life is a bottle of vodka and cigarettes. No one’s ever said no to her.

She hates doctors. And she goes, I don’t know where I’m, I’ve got the girl, the girl talking to me. I’ve got this photo. I’m sort of blown away by the whole scenario. And she’s like, I always knew you were a healer. And I’m like, what the fuck is going on here? What do you mean? You knew I was a healer? And I’m just like, this can’t get any more crazy.

It’s like, and she’s sitting there puffing away. The, the, the girl is looking at me and, and I’m looking at this photo going, this is crazy. She goes, I want you to come over tomorrow. I’ve got a problem with my foot. You know, I don’t like doctors. And I’m like, what do you think I’m going to do? I’m like, I just, I did agreed.

I was like, what the hell? I don’t care at this point. Sure. I’ll come over. I’ll, I’ll, I’ll take a look. Yeah. Yeah. So the following day, after all this bang, bang, bang, bang, I turn up to her house. She’s sitting in the same position. Literally. I don’t know what she does. She had a foot. With a sock on it, right?

And she goes just take a look at the foot. It’s really been bothering me I pull the sock off and I go it’s black. It’s a black foot my opinion that I didn’t have one It was like we need to take you to the hospital right now. And and this is going on in my mind I’ve got lots of piping and going no.

No, we’re not doing that. I’m like What what exactly are we doing? We’re going to witness a healing. You’re going to witness a healing. I’m like, yeah okay, what’s the worst thing that can happen at this point? I think I’m insane. I’m talking to some old dude and I’ve gone on the journey of, of, of, of channeled this guy I’ve done meditation.

I mean, I’m crazy. I kid you not guy in 40 minutes that foot went from gangrenous black to pink in color. And I was just like, I got nothing to say about this. This is insane. This is unreal. And I would then go on this journey of basically healing What my favorite thing to do was take sebaceous cysts and raise them to the top of the skin and then watch them explode like a zit. And that was, just harnessing the energy and focusing on it because the physicality is no different. Like when, when, uh, have you ever bent metal before? I think we asked that. Did I ask you that question on my podcast? Have you ever bent metal?

Guy:
Yes.

San:
Yeah, you’ve bent metal.

Guy:
Oh, Bent Metal, no, sorry, no.

San:
Yeah. So there’s, there’s a transfer of a state when you focus your attention, intention on the center point of that, where the actual material, the metal will just melt like butter. And it’s a focus point. It’s your ability to harness your attention, intention to that very point. And all the friends that I know that, that do these types of things in relation to remote viewing, telekinesis, telekinesis. They are very familiar with this sort of. state of awareness where you start with a tactile, you want to start with something where you feel the resistance on your flesh and you’re forcing this metal to supposedly bend to your will. Now with that, you focus your attention on it and it will start to wiggle and transmute and melt before your very eyes. You will feel as though you’re having some type of, uh, you know, um, um, delusional sort of state of, of awareness, but the actual material starts to melt before your very eyes. Now the next degree is holding a spoon and melting it like a candle.

And the third one is moving the prongs back and forth with your attention intention. And it’s a state of mastered awareness, but physical flesh is no different. Physical flesh has that same frequency That once you hit it, you have to hold that and the real key is to be the now moment within Taoism. We call it the primordial mother, the Wu, enter the Wuji, which is between the breath in and the breath out, you’re able to harness this state of unification. And once you do that, you hold that resonance. That resonance is then being able to repeat itself in what we call Wu way, which is called effortless action. effortless effort, synchronicity, serendipitous experiences start taking place, but you have to be able to hold the resonance. And that’s part of the mastery of, of Taoist cultivation.

So I witnessed this healing. I go on that path next minute. Um, I’m pursuing teachers to refine this skill. And then I had this desire because really, when I look back at it, I had this desire and fascination with Chinatown. And, um, also martial arts, which is sort of a thing back in those days in the seventies and eighties, it was sort of a phenomenon that people were really immersed with and I never really got too deep on it because it was as if I had to spend all this time thinking. it didn’t really work too well for me when I have to process these systems. I just want to pick things up and lift them. So that moved into basically my pursuit of a teacher. And then I started training in the sort of practices and ultimately on a path going towards. being ordained. And that went into two sections.

One was a generation of 66 generation holder through, uh, a lineage in a small town of province outside of Beijing, the Longishan Mountain. And that was a Zhongyi sect lineage, and that was a cultivational practice. That specialty of that lineage and that ordinance of priesthood. Came in the form of the specialty of that, um, master was exorcisms and the spirit world. And he was actually channeling his teacher at the time, which was lots who also, and lots who gave him guidance on building the monastic path, the monastery, all the things that, that built that up. And then the other path was my path and lineage within, uh, the three pure ones. And so those three pure ones, a greater insight into the connection between. the upper middle and lower Dantian, which goes into the alchemical process deeply, deeply into it. And quite frankly, even to this day, and there were a lot of people that, um, have shared certain Taoist practices, more commonly things that people are very familiar with.

You’ve probably heard of the microcosmic orbit, things that are very basic in their nature, which can give you or give you the spark of potentially a Kundalini experience. And so the The, the most important thing is to activate the energy potential from a Taoist seeker reveal immortality. is having Imperium over the 50 trillion cells that you consider your flesh, flesh and blood. This is where you start to harness that energy potential and you use that currency to find that center point, what we call Wuji. And when you do that, you become unified with the primordial mother. So a lot of people, you use the deciphering code of the yin and yang to drop that down upon your, um, your searching. For the true nature of reality, remembering who you are and that truth will reside within that path and you become the Sherlock to your Watson by being able to transmute it into something that is repeatable. And so just the last thing about that week. It didn’t end there. I ended up having what’s most new age people would call a dark night of the soul that lasted about five days.

I had every thought, every feeling, every emotion for five days straight. And I literally, by the third day I wanted to kill myself.

There was no question about it. It was like, it was, it was too much now because I couldn’t get anyone on a phone because we didn’t have texting or digital cell phones or anything of that nature. I literally was unraveling before my very, Eyes in my mind and my body. And I was experiencing this tornado of, of all these things, the emotions, the thoughts, the feelings all encapsulated and transmuting through my body like a tornado.

And at one point I tried to distract myself and I went to the movies and I was sitting there and something as benign as a physical, like, you know, naked woman, she walks on the screen and I throw up on the guy in front of me. Because it had that much of a visceral effect on me. There was a transmuted state.

And by the time I finished, I got ahold of my teacher and he’s like, Oh, that’s amazing. This is what we call a breaking. I’m like, you can keep your fricking breaking. It’s like nothing I’d ever experienced before because. It completely dissolved my, my view of reality, one bang after another to a point where what is real, what isn’t real, it’s starting to be more clear to me what is real, which is this energy thing, because I’m seeing physical transmutation, I’m seeing change that was nothing more as a young boy as supernatural, it was something from the imagination, and it was being presented to me for reals. And the evidence was in that experience. So that’s part of the cultivational practice.

Guy:
So that dark night of the soul, and you experienced that, like you said, by the day three, you wanted to kill yourself because it was so intense. Is, when you view that now, and I’m thinking of the listeners as well, would you say that’s basically like a cleansing of trauma and ancestral trauma? It’s all just coming, passing through, what’s coming is going, right?

It’s just, it’s because you’re moving frequency, essentially.

San:
yeah. I mean, I literally had a purging. So soon after that, as that was coming up, I had this, I had my, one of my teachers, the yellow Emperor come to me and the yellow Emperor is basically one of the key factors to the cultivation of the Chinese culture today. And he came to me and, and revealed all the codes. That were necessary to affect me that way. Now, I didn’t know that I was looking at him. He was sitting on a throne of, of golden liquid pouring out from below that down what we call a waterfall into this, what would seem like just darkness, which is actually what we, we talk about, which is the primordial mother, the void, the yin and yang, right? The yang is just evidence of all light being admitted. And transmitted, whereas the yin is all light being absorbed and understanding that, that, that perfect center point, that oscillating point is the, the, between that breath in and the breath out. And you will see evidence of that when you start to get into the breath, we refine these things and we define them as what we call the bellows, the contracting and expanding your all things and nothing at the same time.

Guy:
It’s like in, um, In quantum physics they call it the collapsing of the wave function, right? I believe where particle becomes wave, wave becomes particle. As soon as it’s observed, it’s in and out, in and out, that’s zero point.

San:
And, and as you said, the zero point, moreover, someone would refer to that. And that’s the unified state. When you access that you, you access heaven on earth, which would not be transmutable. There would be the, the, the argument, uh, from many that this is impossible because of the dualistic, uh, uh, construct. Which is the polarizing effect of, of yin and yang. That’s why yin and yang symbols are so powerful. That is the template to deciphering your reality. And you have to find that center point for it to be realized. And that comes from the alchemical process, because when you can cultivate the substance, we call it the substance, the far gene, this is then accessible. It’s tangible. And you can then commandeer it. And have imperium over it. Or furthermore, some people would call it the maestro.

We like to call it the maestro to the access of that. And you can move these electromagnetic potentials in any way you choose to. And that’s part of evidence. It’s very important that you don’t have blind faith. It’s very important that you have a method of From a Dallas perspective, it’s it’s part of the nurturing growth and remembering who you are returning to that state. And when you know that you’re there resident wise, the simplistic trappings of that would be The selflessness and the servitude that exhibits itself, whereas the human condition is that very boundary and limitation, which is part of your journey from a Taoist, the, the, the simulation of reality is such the, you are the ambassador, the journey is to remember, return to the primordial mother, the primordial mother gives you that access, that everything exhibited within this room is of, of Of a, a, a reflection of the primordial mother, which would come in the form of young and that young is that center point when you harness that center point, you absorb the riches as we call it within Taoism, and it starts to fold on itself and concentrate and it will exhibit a phosphorus white light. embodied with a gold aura. And this is a signaling of an advanced state of awareness and the harnessing of that potential. And that will be what we call the diamond, the perfection your facet of that diamond will be transmuted. And you take that energy and you use it in any way, shape or form, but the breath will give you the first taste of that substance. And when you’re able to activate it through the energetic body, You can transmute it in any way you choose to.

Guy:
Wow. Mate, I’m running out of time. I, I feel like I’ve scr Matt, I’ve been absolutely captivated listening to you share your journey so far, and I feel like I’ve only scratched the surface with you today, but it was all beautifully necessary. Um, my first question is, would you be willing to come back on the podcast in, in the future so

San:
Oh, 100%. I was looking, I’ve been looking forward to this, my dear friend. It’s, uh, it’s exciting. I would love to, you let me know when you want me to.

Guy:
we’ll, we’ll make it happen so we can unpack some of the, the very things that you do. Cause today we literally just touched upon your journey, which is mind blowing mate. Holy moly. And we, we even only scratched that, like, wow,

San:
Well, it’s all, I’m a Pepsi challenge guy. I’m an 80s. Oh, you got to show me. It’s like, I’ll take the tap taste test with anybody. And it’s important that you access the substance. It’s important that there, that you’re not just walking a path blindly, that You have this. You know what I mean?

It’s like it’s so very important. And I always say to people, you’re you’re, if you dismiss someone else’s belief system, you dismiss your own, which is the very unraveling of most people’s wisdom teaching is when you realize that there’s a million ways up the mountain. And as long as you are embodying that and you stay true to that path, you’ll keep having self realized states. And that will be within that material so that you can validate it for yourself. And I always remind people, your truth is the only truth you need to be concerned with. And if someone gives you an absolute truth about face of running the other direction, cause the only absolute truth is yours. And that can only come from your experience.

The experiential moment is critical for anyone. To embody the unified state and it’s not transitory. It becomes permanent. And what that means is that you detach to attach as the now moment, which means you’re no place, no person, no thing. You go from first person to third person to no person. I’ve never witnessed a physical healing when I’m in a moment of Sun Ching is calling in the energies of the earth and the moon.

And. Now, the present moment is all we have, my, my dear friend, and when you access it, you will, it’s instant, it will be instantaneous, and it just comes from a method. And so I’m always excited teaching the method, and I think a lot of the methods are, um, they’re a little diluted. I’ve yet to find someone that, that teaches the same, same type of Taoist alchemy that I do, because it starts from the lower dantian, which is the primordial mother. Which is evidence of the moon and the primordial essence and you merge the sun and the earth together and this is where you start turning as, as Jesus would say, water into wine and furthermore, lead into gold, which is really that crystalline effect that comes with the alchemical process, which is showing me this evidence.

Guy:
Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. Yeah. I’d love to tap into that wisdom a little bit as well on, on the healings at some stage. Um, yeah. Phenomenal mate. Phenomenal. Um, where can I send people if they want to check out your work and what you’re doing?

San:
Yeah, I mean, uh, I’ve got social sphere and interweb. Um, I’ve got the, the whole, uh, you know, Instagram, YouTube. I developed an app to help people fast track things. So I’ve been printed. Um, a living experience for anyone who’s, who wants to just basically take a break from the human condition and you want to master your emotions and don’t let them master you. These are, this is imprinted with a visual, audible experience, evoking a kinesthetic charge, and then you become a human. A state of awareness that you develop. So furthermore, you, you start there and it doesn’t matter who you are, whether you’re John Smith, the janitor at McDonald’s or you’re, you know, the local guru or you’re a light worker, a healer, anything of any kind, you want to be able to realize that the potential is the unification, whereas most people tend to go. I’m I’ve got this juice. I’m feeling it. They’re spending their currency of their gene, what we call gene within Taoism, which is their life force. And the second they realize that they don’t, they can immortalize this physical flesh through the alchemical process and then tap into the unified state of the primordial mother.

You’re no longer spent. You can be a healer all day long, a channeler all day long, a light worker all day long, and you’re energized. You’re not deficient, which happens to be the, the basically sad story for most of the energy healers. They end up having a very short lived experience. Does that make

Guy:
It does. It does. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Made amazing. Links will be in the show notes for everyone. Um, please. Yeah, I’m sure that you’ll, you’ll get a lot of people become aware of you after when this goes out, mate. And, uh, I look forward to our next podcast, son. Thank you so much, my man.

San:
I’m looking forward to it, brother, and uh, thank you again for, for spending some time with me

Guy:
Oh, you’re so welcome, mate. You’re so welcome. Thank you.

San:
Thank you for watching!