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Selma:
What we’ve been deeming as the esoteric and the occult is pretty much the science that we haven’t yet started practicing. I started having these spontaneous astro projection experiences, so at the time I was furiously writing every single thing in copy books like this one for years. I’ve kept the record of it like a diary, and then I started researching the science.

Over the course of my experiences, I’ve also traveled to societies that are a lot more evolved than us, and I’ve seen societies, the likes of which this society is supposed to become. The goal is what we see there in the estro season of life to build it here as above, so below.

Guy:
Today my beautiful guest is Selma Hare and boy is this a conversation that goes down rabbit holes. Uh, she has been having spontaneous astral travels. She’s been traveled into dimensionally through portals. I mean, this conversation is deep. It’s a rabbit hole. It gets into all sorts of stuff. And not only that, she from like, she’s got a science background mind and she’s been.

Document in all of her experiences, I think for the last 10 years or something, and we get into an amazing conversation. I think Selma is very courageous in her sharing her experiences. She’s certainly very sincere and I really like her and had this incredible conversation. I’m always open to these conversations purely based upon my own experiences.

If you follow my podcast for a while, you would’ve heard me speak a little bit about my own experiences through working through the energy centers and then opening the pineal gland and it starting to experience life beyond our five senses that we tend to do through 3D reality, I guess, you know, it’s, it’s a rabbit hole.

It’s amazing. Um, yeah. Be sure to let me know in the comments, especially if you’re watching this on YouTube, what you get out of this conversation. Have you had experiences like this? Where are you in the world? Continue to connect. I feel there’s some beautiful conversations that, uh, are happening in the YouTube comments and, and I certainly wanna encourage that.

I do read them all. I don’t reply to everything. I’ve got a lot going on in my life, but I, I certainly do my best to keep up with it all. And of course if you wanna find out what we are up to and if you wanna work with the energy centers and all the rest of it, come and join us somewhere, or chakras, I dunno, whatever terminology you wanna call it, amongst many other things.

Come and join us. We’ll be holding retreats all around the world now, and of course here in Australia as well, up and down. And we’ve also just in introduced our advanced four hour workshop as well. Anyway, links below for Selma, for myself and everything. Get amongst it. Much love from me. I hope to meet you in person one day soon and uh, yeah, enjoy.

Selma. Welcome to the podcast My lovely.

Selma:
Thank you. Thank you very much. It’s my pleasure.

Guy:
I know it’s really early where you are, so I appreciate you making the effort to get up early. Uh, I’ve been, I’ve been in the similar role on the other side sometimes with other guests, so I know how it can feel sometimes, but, um, it’s greatly appreciated. And I just wanna ask you the first question and I ask everyone on the podcast, and that is, if we were at a intimate dinner party right now.

And you sat next to a complete stranger and they asked you what you did for a living, how would you respond?

Selma:
I would say I’m an educator, uh, during the day and a researcher at night,

Guy:
What do you educate in?

Selma:
I educate, uh, secondary students in geography, human geography, global perspectives and research, oftentimes in history as well, because that’s my actual qualification, history in archeology. Um, and that’s that. And as for research, I research people.

The u, human evolution. Human evolution, where we came from, where we’re going. Uh, anthrop philosophy, philosophy. Um, and gnosticism.

Guy:
What was phe? What was that word you just said? That’s a big word.

Selma:
It is, it’s full of big words, what I bring to you today and in the beginning, I too kind of stumbled with a few of them. Anthro. Philosophy is, uh, the science of spirituality. Uh, it’s from the, um, it started around the, the 19th century. Um, and it’s, it ever since. It’s been completely ignored by people, but it’s there by Rudolph Steiner, uh, at, at the, um, at the end of the 19th century, an Austrian, an Austrian philosopher, and the founder of a spiritual science.

But there are more like him, and I can tell you why he started doing this.

Guy:
Yeah, so, absolutely. So bef as we break it down, ’cause I, I know you’ve got, you’ve had some pretty amazing experiences that I wanna dive into and get you to share in a moment. So, would it be fair to say that you’ve got quite an analytical mind and coming from that space before leaning into the spirituality aspect?

Selma:
I do. I have an incredibly scientifically oriented analytical mind. For years, I wanted to do a PhD because I thought, I’m a scientist. I’m a scientist because I have been the scientist in many past lifetimes. Why am I not getting a PhD in something? And then it dawned to me when I started having this.

Spontaneous astro projection experiences in the transition between 2011 and 2012 be dawned to me because what I want to research is not mainstream science, so I cannot do it through the academic realm. They’ll tell me to take a walk, but I’m still a scientist, so I still need to research it and write it down.

I write down my research and so I did. So at the time I was furiously writing every single thing in, in copy books, in copy books like this one, writing every single experience that I was having furiously for years. I kept, I’ve kept a record of it, like a diary, and then I started researching the science.

Guy:
Wow. So, okay, there’s two questions. ’cause this podcast is going greatly organic, which I love. And that is one of the questions is, are you talking, you’ve had lots and lots and lots of these astral experiences, and B, what was your life like before 2011, 12, before you started having them? Were you spiritually, did you have a spiritual background? Were you looking into this kind of stuff?

Selma:
I was dreadful. My, my life was dreadful. My, uh, my parents, they’ve given me no spiritual cornerstone because they were too young when they had me, and they were both way too busy fighting their own, um, fighting their own monsters. Um, um, so. Uh, what happened is that I wasn’t exactly spiritual, but from very early I could see that I had strange experiences on the other side.

It’s just that in 2011 it became very provasive. At the time, I’d been, um, I’d been working as an archeologist. Uh, I’d been working for the National Museum of Archeology in Lisbon. And then I’d gone to London for my master’s and then in archeology. And then after that it was no, as soon as I finished the Master’s is the 2008 credit crutch, right?

So there are no jobs. There are no jobs. I start, I start teaching. That’s exactly how it happened. Luckily enough I wasn’t bad at it. Got luckily enough for me. I am a communicator, so, uh, I also did. A couple of office jobs for a second, which were the most miserable experience of my life. And I said, never again.

I’m a communicator. I like to talk, I like to research, I like to convey. So let me teach. So I was teaching when these experiences in Hong Kong. I was in Hong Kong when these experiences started. Um, and they were so profuse short.

Yeah. Question before you get into that then was, did anything trigger those experiences or were, or did they just, you know, started happening one day? I to this very day, I feel like there was intervention from the other side because I was so miserable. I’m living in Hong Kong and instead of having a blast like any other normal person, because it’s Hong Kong, it’s busy, it’s cool, it’s hip, but I am not into cool and hip and superficial. So I was miserable.

I was in the wrong place. I was totally misaligned with my life doing the wrong thing. I was surrounded by people who. Meant not with with whom. I had nothing in common going through these terrible experiences. Uh, and so I feel like there was intervention from the other side. At one point, someone on the other side may have said, listen, this is not working.

She’s totally misaligned if we don’t give it. We have to give this to her now to see if we can push her into aligning herself into what she has to do. But this is just my belief. Um, and when it comes to belief, you can take it for what it is. You can take it with a pinch of salt. I don’t bring you any empirical evidence for any of what I’m here with share, so I’ll tell people, take it with a pinch of salt.

Okay? These are just my experiences that I candidly share in the hopes of starting a conversation about it

Guy:
Beautiful. And can you remember your first experience and what you were doing in Hong Kong at the time, like and what happened in that first experience?

Selma:
Very well. I remember this one time, uh, having a student in the morning, early in the morning, she couldn’t stop singing and she couldn’t stop singing some song that would go, you know, babble, babble, babble, babble. And then she would say, all is well, all is well, all is well. And I’m like, what is going on with you today?

Where did you get that song from? Uh, a movie that I watched in the weekend. Sure enough. Saturday I went and I, uh, Saturday came in. I went and I watched the movie. I don’t remember the name of the movie now. It was a a, a Bollywood movie. Uh, with the catch song that was exactly that, this and that, and that.

All is well, all is well. That same night I went to bed and I ended up in something that looked like, um, uh, an Indian, um, city from the mogul period. The mogul period was when the Islamic, uh, caliphate came into India, and it resulted in constructions like the Taj Mahal. Right. And that’s what it looked. And I am, uh, walking around.

Um, I’m walking down this road that is sided by these wonderful, wonderful trees gilded by these trees and palm trees. Absolutely gorgeous road, um, onwards in the direction of this temple slash library. And as I look at myself, I am, I have this really long braid that I’m wearing to the side and I’m wearing something that looks a bit like a futuristic sari of type, uh, of some type.

And I go into that, uh, temple alive. I see other people passing by. I go into that temple and library. And I remember seeing the, the, this bust of a god, an Egyptian God, a newbie by the way, the God of mummification. I turned it around and I remember that I had written an article about, uh, the, uh, bust of an AIST turning around on its own, a access at the, the National Museum in Scotland at the History Museum in Scotland.

And so my brain went into wanting to know why that had happened. As soon as I did that, I saw. The God, a newbies right in front of me looking very authoritarian, and he is asking me for my name, and I said, I, I’m very naughty. So I could, I wasn’t believing in the, the experience that I was having. So I said, Matt. Ma is the name of the, it’s the goddess, the, the celestial librarian. An Egyptian goddess. As if it’s saying, if you are a newbie, I am ma. Like this is not happening. This is how I am a bit on the other side. So I also said, yeah, I’m an Egyptian goddess too. Uh, ma. And he said, your real name. And I’m like, oh, oh dude, this experience is, is real.

And then, uh, I, but I said again Matt, and he says, Selma and I woke up. That this was my first very lucid experience. This was an, now I know that this was an astral city.

Guy:
Wow. So question for you. Like, ’cause everyone’s listening to this now and they could either go, well, how does that feel? How does that, when you’re experiencing that, did it seem just like a dream or does it feel like you’re there and when you come back, do you feel yourself going in out of the body? Like how would you describe it?

Selma:
It feels more real than this reality here, and this is the mind bender because this reality is physical. Look, my notes, my pen, it’s physical, so this should feel more real for us. But when it’s that lucid, when the experience is that organic, you can smell the smells. And just your sense of awareness is so much more acute than what it is here, because out there you don’t foc function only with your, uh, five senses out there.

You also communicate, uh, through telepathy. So you function with all of these other senses that here you don’t have. So the experience feels, feels actually a lot more real and organic There. Then it feels here. And this is a mind bender. This is something that then you need help with processing this because how do you wake up, uh, Monday morning and go back to your job after having had experiences that feel like they are more real than this reality where you pay the taxes and you go to work and whatever, pay the rent, whatever, whatever. You see what I mean?

Guy:
I do that, I ended up starting a podcast wondering what to do with some of those experiences myself,

Selma:
There you go.

Guy:
three hundred fifty episodes later. Uh, you know, it’s, it’s fascinating. So I’m curious to know then, what did you, once you had that experience, and this was 2011 and 12, what did you do that you’re still in Hong Kong? Did, did they start happening like frequently or was that a one-off at first? What happened?

Selma:
I packed up, I packed up and went home to Portugal. Um, and then it was incredibly profuse and Portugal, let me tell you, because it’s mostly coastline and water has a very cleansing and at this, uh, has a very, I’ve come to understand that in places where there’s a lot of water, because water is cleansing, the veil is also thinner.

So lemme tell you something about Portugal, especially around the coast. The veil is incredibly thin, and so all of a sudden I’m plugged in, I’m plugged into the Quantum, and every single night I have, I have something which I describe as the window series, and in my book I wr, I write a chapter called The Science Behind the Window Series.

I want to understand what’s happening to me. That’s why I wrote it, which is I would stand up, I would. Look at the bed and I would see my body. You fall asleep, right? I’d fall asleep. Then I would stand up, look at the bed, see my body, look at the window, open the window, and fly off. This was always my process, not before.

Sometimes crossing over some spirits, some stuck consciousness. This, this biker had just died. This the girl at one point. This man.

Guy:
You were seeing them, they were coming up to you when you.

Selma:
Yes. They were just there. They were just there and very confused. At this point I was living, uh, right in front of this, uh, beach, but between myself and the beach, there was a busy road. So at this point I saw, I saw a biker that had just had an accident covered with blood and is very confused like, what happened?

And I’m like. But at that point I was already used to it. Uh, I was like, yeah, so, uh, so you’re here but you’re not. But I was very inexperienced crossing over spirit because these were the first times that it was, that it was happened to me. Okay, so, uh, you just had an accident. You need to see the light.

I’m thinking, I think this is what I’m supposed to say. You need to go and see the light. So in the beginning it was very clumsy ’cause I didn’t know what to do to cross these people over. And then, but then later, this one girl taught me how to cross over. This one girl who kept pestering me every single night, she’d pester me as if I’d stolen her boyfriend.

He was a teenage girl. And there’s a reason why I’m saying this. She’s passed, she’s, she passed away and she’s pestering me every night until this one finite. I told her, you need to stop. I’m so sorry. I’m sorry about what happened to you. I’m sorry. So there was something, there was resentment related to women that she had something that a boy had done to her and she resent, she resented people in general, but there was also a jealousy of women.

And I just told her, I am sorry. I am so sorry, and I’m crying and I hug her. And, but as the first time I said, I’m so sorry about what happened to you. She completely melted and her energy completely shifted from very dark to light, light blue. And I managed to cross her over to an, into a astral city that is above Portugal.

Guy:
So question. Just, you’re opening lots of loops, so what is stopping them from crossing over? No, that’s great. This is, this is what a podcast for me is all about. I love it.

Selma:
Consciousness can get stuck for several reasons. Most of them connected to negative emotions. Uh, the main reason is people not understanding that they’ve dropped the body. and the second reason is being so dense in vibration that they cannot see their light mentors that are right next to them. Light mentors are also what people call, uh, um, an guardian angels, right?

People call them spirit guides or guardian angels. Yeah. So when I, so when I say, um, when I talk about life mentors, that’s what I’m talking about. So they are so dense in vibration, be it because of sadness. Anger, resentment, whatever negative emotion that really makes them so dense that they can’t even see their guides or their light mentors next to them, trying to cross them over to the other side.

Consciousness can get stuck on this earth for years, um, for decades even. But usually also what happens, and it’s worse than getting stuck here is to dnce so much that you end up in the abra. Uh, but that’s a whole other nine yards, and I don’t know whether you want me to go there in the Umbra.

Guy:
What? What’s that?

Selma:
between this planet, between the, the surface of the earth, the crust of the earth and the astral and space, you have some, we, uh, spiritualists or anthropologists call it the ambra. All of that is the ambra, which is the fourth dimension.

Guy:
Like the collective consciousness thought? Would that

Selma:
Where the col it’s there. The collective consciousness thought is also there. It’s the first dimension. It’s a layer between the earth and space where you have the stratosphere atmosphere, all of that, all of that. Uh, after all of that, you have the fourth dimension, and that’s the umbrella. The upper part of the ambra, the upper part of the fourth dimension is where the astral series of light start is where people, if everything goes right, go to after they drop the body, what the religious people call the sky or heaven, call heaven. What the religious people call heaven, Emanuel Swedenborg would speak of several heavens and several health. He was onto something. So, uh, and that’s where you see the astral series at the, uh, edge of the fourth dimension, uh, and then fifth, 6, 7, 8, 9, you have astral cities all over those dimensions upwards that are lighter in dimension, right? But it starts at the edge of the fourth dimension, the lower part of the fourth dimension that we call the ambra.

But in fact, all of it is the ambra, because ambra just means threshold. What is in between. Right, but the lower part of the fourth dimension, you have astral series of density where a lot of the consciousness that gets stuck ends up in seldom repeating cycles and just, it’s what? It’s what religious people would call hell or purgatory it.

It’s real, it exists, but it’s not punishment. It’s just that if I live this lifetime. Let’s imagine that in this lifetime, I live this lifetime, very dense. I’m very angry because I found out that my husband was cheating on me. So, and I die and oh, and now he’s with his lover. Things like this happen all the time.

By the way, now he’s going to be able to marry his lover. No, I end up, my vibration becomes a match to the vibration of the astral series of density in the ambra, and so I naturally end up there and from time to time. I even escaped to come and hund them a little bit. No, no, no, no, no. You’re not going to be happy with her.

You know, monkey business, like that primitive monkey stuff that people still do while alive and, and, and continue to do after death. But because I’m now no longer in physical form, uh, my energy body cannot sustain here for too long. So I can only come in in stints and then immediately I’m pushed back into the ambra.

So that’s the not so nice side of spirituality that, uh, often new wagers ignore, um, gaslighting people who are into gaslighting spirituality, they ignore this. I don’t blame them though. Everybody is where they are, but I’m an holistic person. I like to go everywhere. I want to have the full picture. And so just as much as I speak of the astral series of light, I also speak of the astral series of density because a lot of people end up there because we are still not behaving right. We need Jesus.

Guy:
Well, okay, so the astral city is a light, I haven’t, I viewed it, spoken in many different ways through different podcasts and that, how do you perceive them then? What are they purposes? And you mentioned that each dimension has an astral city. Is that what you of light? Is that correct? Have you been to these as well? Yeah.

Selma:
yes, A few during my experience with the, the Window series, my window series experience, uh, where I. Open the window and fly off, and I always end up in different dimensions. Uh, oftentimes what I do is that I, I’m in space. I’m ov sometimes I’m overing in space and I see what looks like a, a black hole, uh, or a warm hole, and I just fall into it.

And then there’s a, there, it’s usually a black hole with two event horizons. I fall into one event, horizon. Then I end up falling into a second event horizon, and there there’s another dimension. Usually it’s an astral city of light and this is what they are there for. According then to the the literature that I have read, because then I have to go and study to make sense of my own experiences.

There’s this Brazilian medium called is more commonly known as shik. Who has written a book called Our Home Unad, where he, uh, claims to describe through mediumship exactly what, uh, a lot of astral cities of lights over Brazil look like. And his experiences kind of co on my experiences, corroborate a lot of what he writes.

So, in the Astral Cities of life, first of all, you have, it’s a city, so you have hospitals. Spiritual hospitals because a lot of, because we usually, when we come in from this experience, we need a little healing right. To unden, to lighten up. We need a little healing. We need a little love You have, but mostly these are places of learning where you have a lot of workshops taking place.

Like the things that you do here, you were probably doing before. Of light. You uh, uh, guy with these workshops and things, lectures. Uh, because the astral cities of light are there to heal you and to progress you spiritually and prepare you for your next stint at in on Earth in case you still need one.

Now, when you, when you are there, it usually takes, uh, according to Francis yet, and I don’t, don’t quote me on that because I don’t know that. Uh, this is what Francis k Shavia says, uh, is that it takes you around three 30 to 40, 30 to 40 years on average. This is an average for you to prepare your next lifetime. Why do you now, now you probably ask, but why do you have to come back? Right, because we are still too attached to the 3D, there are still lessons that we have to learn here. Oftentimes, there are still very still, pardon karma that we have here. Things that we need to bring into balance here. And when our bodies are still in the, in the 3D mode, we cannot stay in the astral series of light beyond.

That, uh, because then we start suffering because our bodies are not light enough, yet, are not a, a vibration the enough to the astral cities of light for us to stay there. So that means that we need to go back to 3D to finish our schooling process here. And then after enough stints, we graduate exactly like in school.

And so imagine that you go to an astral city of light, but you, you’ve already learned everything that you had to do in the Earth School in the 3D school. Then you graduate to four D you, you reincarnate in a lifetime in four D or five D 60, and so on and so forth.

Guy:
What does time, what it, it does. Yeah, I’ve, I’ve heard it, like I said, said in different ways. Uh, what does time feel like then? Because you speak about years and, and things like, once we go beyond that, if we were to stay in these cities, I. Does time feel different? Because you know what? As we shift, like what I’ve found, once I get in very deep meditative states or I’ve left the body in my own experiences, like time gets really warped.

And when I come back, it might only be, I don’t know, it could be a long time or a very short time, but the experience doesn’t correlate to the time that it felt like

Selma:
Beyond warped, yes, beyond warped, uh, time in these astral cities, there is still a certain linearity in four D, but then in five D there’s no linearity whatsoever. So there is still a certain linearity in the astral cities, but from what I’ve come to understand, time there works very differently from here.

So when I talk about 30 to 40 years, those are earthly years. Those are earthly years. In terms of the astral city, the time is different and I don’t know how much that would be, uh, but it’s different. It goes by, what I know is that it goes by faster. What I’ve come to understand is that it goes by faster there, but I.

Again, it, there’s still a certain linearity, but time is very different than what it is here in the 3D and then in the five D, there’s no linear time whatsoever. Actually, I wanted to say time goes by slow, slower, I said faster, but time goes by slower in the astral series of life.

Guy:
When, when you started having these experiences? Uh, like were you, were you having them voluntarily? Like, were you then excited to explore it? Were you terrified? Was it just happening spontaneously all the time and you didn’t have any control over it? Like how, how did that start and how has that relationship changed? Because I’ve certainly learned a lot along the way around those experiences.

Selma:
They were always spontaneous and they were incredibly provasive for a full year from from between the transition between 2011 and 2012, almost every day. Very, very profu and very spontaneous. Uh, and it felt very strange to me because then early in the morning I had to go work and nothing made sense to me.

Why am I doing this job, uh, this, this, why am I, why am I living this life here if it’s not real? So it’s kind of trip, and you have to be careful. That’s why I went to a doctor at some point and she told me, oh, you know what, that what they tell you, you’re just Lucy dreaming. It’s fine. I’m just going to give you something for you to.

Sleep more profoundly and as soon as she gave me something for me to sleep more profoundly, the experiences stopped being as. Provasive, uh, I learned to as, as far as control, I learned to have control over them as I went. In the beginning, there was no control and anyone could come and talk to me. And, but then I learned to control the experience, to direct the experience, and I learned to ask my life.

Mentors also where I wanted to go, what I wanted to see. And so I remember at one point asking my light mentors, why do I feel such a deep connection to Russia? Uh, because I remember at one point my first hotel that I stayed in Hong Kong, my, the second hotel where I stayed in Hong Kong before I got a place, uh, was just Russian people.

And I’m like, oh, this is all the Russian where all the Russian families come to. And I always felt. Like I belong around Russian people. Even though I don’t know the language, I obviously don’t look any Russian. It’s very odd. It feels like it felt like home. I feel the same with Japan, about Japan because I had many lifetimes in Japan.

Japan is the place where I’ve had the most lifetimes, but I also feel this thing about Russia and my sister’s name. My sister’s second name is Karina, but for some reason I’ve always called her Catarina. And then, so I asked my life mentors, okay, since this is happening to me, let me ask you for some favors.

Then let me try and conduct these experiences a little bit. Why do I feel a connection to Russia, and why do I call? Why do, why or do I feel like that’s connected to my sister and I call her Catarina? Uh, and uh, sure enough, I open the window at night. I, I’m overing through space, and then I fall through a black hole event horizon and opens, and I fall on a bed and I’m this woman. With a long braid, long side braid. I’m a, I’m this Russian woman. I’m in bed with holding a baby girl, a baby child, newborn, and surrounded by other women. There are other women in bed with me and to the bottom, and we are in this, um, log home. To the bottom of the log home, there’s a, a bunch of men who are talking, and it was separated the men to one side, the women to the other side.

And I have a long brown braid and I’m holding this baby who has like green snort. Uh, I’ll never forget it had green snort on the nose, so that probably means that it was sick. Uh, and I looked, it was so organic that I looked at my nails and my nails were dirty, and I could smell the s smell. I can smell the smell of the wood.

Even now that I’m talking about it, so, okay. I had at least one past life in Russia in what looked like medieval Russia, and then I looked at myself with the whole medieval Russian gear. It’s beyond, that was just one of the, the many, many, many experiences that where I had more control and asked and

Guy:
you, you mentioned an event Horizon appeared. You’ve mentioned that a few times. Can you explain what that is for everyone,

Selma:
so crazy, so crazy. So that’s beyond, uh, because then I had to get into, then I had to get into, into black holes. Uh uh. Okay. I will get into it. I’ll get into it. So. Black holes, they are supposed to, black holes are not supposed to have entropy, right? What phy current physics tells us is that if you fall, if your physical body falls through a black hole, it becomes ified,

Guy:
Okay, let’s, yeah, let me pause you there for a, so let’s break it down for everyone and the listeners. You mentioned entropy, and I’m very familiar with the term of lowering of entropy. So from order to from disorder to order. Is that

Selma:
water. Exactly. So, uh, until very recently, until very recently, then the, until 1970, uh, the consensus was if your physical body, uh. Falls through a black hole, it becomes ified. But then Bekenstein, uh, the scientist from Princeton, he said, no, no, no, no, no. Black holes have entropy. Entropy meaning they are chaotic.

We cannot predict exactly what happens. And he based that on the, the third law of thermodynamic. Right, that says that, uh, everything that, that says that everything can have entropy and everything can be chaotic. And then in 74 Hawking kind of corroborate corroborated that. So the consensus be among the scientists, among most physicists now is that black holes have entropy.

Also Hawkings in the 74 studied Hawking in the 74 study. Also said that if there is a star that coalesces against, that coalesces into a black hole, it expands the event horizon of the event. Horizon is the mouse of the black hole. It expands the mouse of the black hole. That that any object that gets in touch with the event horizon, with the mouse of the black hole expands it. And what more ing also verified that when two black holes coalesce into one another, the event horizon also expands and it creates a second event horizon on the other side of the black hole. And sure enough. My, in my experiences, the ones where I fell through a black hole, I, I felt as I’m, as my energy body is falling through the black hole, the event horizon is widening to accommodate me, to accommodate the experience of my falling like Alice in Wonderland falling through the rabbit hole.

The rabbit hole adjusts to her. The event horizon adjusts to me. I fall, fall, fall, and I fall into another event horizon. So it seems to me. Physicists would call me a nut, but please look into this. Physicists out there. But, but Hawking said this, not me. It seems to me like an energy body will not get ified if it falls into a, if it coalesces into a black hole.

Not only that, not only that, the black hole will adjust to it so that it can prop appreciate the experience of us falling into it and ending up in some other dimension.

Guy:
Okay, so I, I’ve, so what I’m thinking of is a wormhole, you could say that would be the same

Selma:
Yes, yes, yes, exactly.

Guy:
Because, ’cause I, I had an experience where I went down one in. When I got pulled, I came outta body and went, it opened up and it went down one, and it was a very life defining moment for me that I had that experience. So

Selma:
Oh, it is,

Guy:
I just, I just wanna qualify what you’ve just said ’cause I’ve experienced something like that myself. And I, I never

Selma:
am.

Guy:
these things, but, but I also look at the work of Nasim Harriman that speaks of that. Everything at a quantum level is a wormhole. That is coming in and out. So I’m no scientist and I have not researched it and clearly to the depth that you were going with a lot of this, this stuff.

But I find it fascinating that the, the, the very fabric or the makeup of the universe is way beyond anything I can even comprehend at all. And once you start opening up to these experiences, it’s almost like you know where to look

Selma:
Completely. And even us having access to these experiences is basically what’s happening in our bodies, in our, it’s basically our, in our physical bodies. What is happening is, is that in our physical bodies, the chemistry, our chemistry, because I do feel. There’s also DMT right, that we produce naturally in our brains.

And until very recently, the consensus was that we only produced DMT, uh, dimethyl Tritin, uh, which is a, a very, very, very, uh, powerful, uh, psychedelic compound that we only produced it at, uh, uh, two, in two moments of our lives, birth and death. But ever since. The scientific community has already reached the con, the, the consensus that we also produce it during REM Rapid Eye Movement.

So it’s the, the DMT, the surges of DMT that is allowing, that we are producing, that is allowing for the consciousness to be released from our bodies. So basically what we have is this homeostatic balance between quantum and chemistry. The chemistry in our physical bodies coming together with a quantum so as to release the consciousness for us to have these experiences in the astral.

So you see E everything is science at the end of the day. This is, I said, I guess this is what I wanted to say. Uh, I’m not, I, this is so much what I wanted to say is that what we’ve been deeming as the esoteric and the occult, it’s pretty much the science that we haven’t yet started practicing. If it makes sense.

But if we put our minds to using actual objective rationality, which in the end is the only type of rationality, it is objective rationality and unbiased, critical thinking, which is the only type of critical thinking that it is unbiased, critical thinking. I. Uh, this, all of this that we deem to the esoteric and occult is only, but the science that we don’t yet know and that we don’t yet practice.

And it’s only when mainstream science reads itself of that cratic dogmatic ethos, uh, that, um, that it engages in currently, that it’ll be able to, to, to make huge leaps in understanding these things that we are talking about today.

Guy:
But do you, do you think science is going to, like mainstream science is ever gonna go down that without having agendas behind it of, you know, there’s so much

Selma:
dying. I think, sorry for, sorry for interrupting you. I think it will eventually be pushed into that as the, the current socioeconomic, uh, the current socioeconomic paradigm crumbles. Universities are dying, let’s face it, because, you know, no one has the money to go and get and, uh, masters and PhDs anymore.

Uh, definitely not in the us. In, even in Europe, it’s becoming where it’s free. In a lot of universities it’s becoming hard because, okay, university is free, but then you still need to put food on the table and pay the rent in, uh, in an economy that is terrible. And where British people can, uh, hardly foot the electric bill these days.

Uh, and the Germans are also struggling with the same. So universities are really, really struggling. Uh, right now you have only the people, the children of the elite. And the, and the children of the elite are hardly interested in studying because they don’t have to study and they don’t have to get jobs.

So eventually, I do believe that mainstream science, and it’s already there, mainstream science is already starting to touch it little by little. You have already an Institute of Esoteric studies in the Netherlands. Um, so it’s already there. It’s starting to have Denmark, uh, in Denmark from time to time.

They have a PhD in European ASO terrorism also, uh, the University of Copenhagen. So we are getting their baby steps and, uh. Universities are understanding that they need to leave the dogma behind if they want to attract students because no one wants to study string uh, string theory at Toum. Okay, we’ve been doing that for too long.

There is more string theory theories fascinating, but there is more to it than string theory. How many of these experiences would you say you’ve had? I, I couldn’t, I wouldn’t be able to count ’em. So 2011, almost every day, second until the second half of 2012, almost every day. So I couldn’t begin to count them hundreds and hundreds and hundreds, and it would be, please go ahead.

Guy:
I was gonna say on what happened between 2012 and now.

Selma:
For some reason they stopped being so profuse. Well, life also happened, right? And I had to continue to travel and DeRoot myself to find jobs. And as an international teacher, usually the country chooses you, you hardly ever choose the country. And especially under the current economy. Um, and uh, they stopped being as profuse.

That’s what happened. But they still happen. I still have them. Just more sporadically.

Guy:
What do, what do you like? Have you written a book? Is that what’s happened? Or are you in the making of writing? Is it finished? Is it out

Selma:
I wrote it. I wrote it. Finally, uh, two years ago, I grabbed hold of my notes and I said, Thelma, this is a book I, I had notebooks and notebooks plus things written on the computer as well. So I put it all together in a month. Then gave myself another month to update the research and I had written a book, it’s called Images of Cosmology and the GAAN Project, where New Age Philosophy meets the Science, and it’s on Amazon Shameless plugin.

Guy:
That’s

Selma:
Um, and uh, finally, I, it’s a compendium. Most, not all of my experiences because I couldn’t fit it all into one book, but of most of my experiences and with the second part where I try to make sense of it scientifically, every single, after, every single of the experiences in my book, I try to make sense of it with the extent science and a lot of it can already be made sense of, with the extent science.

That’s what I, that’s what I started to understand. Not to mention even that even though you cannot, you can only, you can, you can’t take my word for it because these are my experiences. Even the other day, I went in BU, went to Bucharest, went to a conference by Dr. Michi Kaku, the science event of the year they called it, and he was talking about how scientists can already see your dreams and I gasped the entire audience gasped. Stop. Stop. No, no. And then he actually showed us pictures. Of people’s dreams. Sure enough, I can see a woman playing the piano in a picture. The quality obviously is not very good yet, but it was there. So Mic Dr. Michi, Kako, the physicist and futurist, the astrophysicist and futurists. He was showing us pictures of, of, of, of people’s dreams.

Scientists are already doing this, but people don’t know because we are too distracted by Beyonce’s last record. I mean, bless her soul, but this is what I’m trying to say.

Guy:
How are they doing that? With the dreams.

Selma:
I, I, I, I didn’t understand and it didn’t go into the details of

Guy:
that’s

Selma:
photographs. Taking photographs, but it’s beyond wild and I can’t wait for it to be online for that conference to be online so that people see that I’m not making it up. It happened in Bucharest. I went the public gasped. I ghosted. I’m really looking forward for it to put it on you for them to put that conference on YouTube.

Guy:
Do you, do you ever question why these experiences were happening for you?

Selma:
To, uh, I feel like it was to wake me, pardon my French, the heck up and align me because I was, I was completely lost with my life. I done archeology, but now I am teaching. What am I supposed to do? I’m not happy. I, this planet is not enough for me. This planet is too small for me. That’s why I was traveling from, that’s why I became an international teacher, traveling from place to place, looking for what?

Nothing. And so in Hong Kong, I feel like the experiences started because my, my team, my light team may have said at one point, let’s give it to her now, otherwise she will never wake up and let’s give her this mission. In the meantime, I’ve also come to understand that I’ve come to into this life with no plan.

Guy:
My plan was to have no plan and to just, uh, uh, have complete freedom, to have complete and absolute freedom to choose what I wanted to do, which is why I felt so lost because most people come in with a plan or with a contract, but for some reason SmartyAnts me on the other side said, oh, this time I want to come in with no plan, total free will. I don’t know why I did that. That’s okay. I’m sure that, I’m sure it will all become apparent. Why, what do you, what do you hope, like with this, with this profound insights that you’ve been having? And they are unique, but it, there seems to be more and more conversations happening online, podcasts like this, people coming forward, sharing, experiencing, I mean, we.

Whole space for a lot of people. We run retreats and workshops and you know, we were in New Zealand to 200 people just last weekend and, and even in a four hour workshop, some people are having profound experiences, deep, mystical, spiritual experiences, love deceased, loved ones they’re experiencing, connecting to, and having all, not everyone just, but you know, and it can be quite, um.

Selma:
Well, once you start to have a knowing as opposed to an analytical understanding, then nobody, that’s wisdom, isn’t it? Nobody can take that away from you once you start to have these um, experiences. I guess my question is with all that is what do you hope for people to get out of this? You know, and from your experience of what you learn, your learning and continue to learn research and share, where do you think it’s taken it all for you? Trust your experiences and awaken because as I say at the end of my book, uh. The goal, the ultimate goal is for us to learn how to build a more, a fairer, more equitable socioeconomic paradigm here, because over the course of my experiences, and I’m sure that you may have had experiences like that as well, or not, I don’t know.

Guy:
But over the course of my experiences, I’ve also, uh, traveled to societies that are a lot more evolved than us, and I’ve spoken to people. What we here would call aliens from other planets, and I’ve seen societies, the likes of which this society is supposed to become. And so the goal is for us to what we see there in the astral series of light, to build it here as above, so below as above, so below. What does that feel like when you, when you have an experience of, like you just described, going to a a completely different civilization and experiencing that.

Selma:
I feel like I belong. I feel like I belong there more than I belong here, which is silly. But over the years, that’s how I felt. I’ve only really deeply enrooted myself to planet Earth recently. And because I was being very naughty to Gaia, because Gaia Earth is propitiating this experience for me, and there I go off into space all the time instead of rooting myself.

Uh, into this planet and into this experience now, which is why now I’m rooted. I’m no longer having as many experiences. I’m writing a second book, a book about women, uh, a gaan book about a book about Gaia. And, uh, I, I’m done flying off. I will still have my experiences because that’s what I am. I’m a bit of, I’m a, I’m a quantum, a bit of a quantum witch, but I am also a forest witch, and I’ve recently retrieved my connection to Gaia.

Uh, and because I’ve been in every single lifetime of mine, with exception to only one, I was an esoterics. Even if hiding, even if in hiding, I.

Guy:
wow. Sorry, can you repeat that? You’ve been in every other lifetime you’ve had,

Selma:
An esoteric yes. Even if in hiding, there was only one lifetime where I was not, uh, an esoteric and was actually very religious. Uh, orthodox I was in that lifetime. I was a, a teacher. Uh, I was a a rich lady in Romania. Who would teach, uh, the students from, who would teach the children from my community. And I was very orthodox, very religious, but with exception to that one lifetime, I’ve always been like a witch. Even if in

Guy:
Wow.

Selma:
even if in hiding

Guy:
Sorry, I’m, I’m jumping a little bit there, but do you believe then our lifetimes are, are running parallel and it all actually been experienced

Selma:
in five D. Yes. In five D because there’s no time in five D, if you will. It’s uh, files on the computer, on it’s files on the desktop. That would be, that’s the imagery, the best imagery that I can get for it. Uh, in five D is all, it’s also layered like an onion. So it’s all happening at the same time every time.

Uh, and something that happens to me with my experiences now, actually there’s been a shift last year where. I’ve shifted into just coming across lost tapes of other people’s lives, and I’m like, oh, I don’t think I should have seen that. Uh oh. Uh, lost tapes of other people’s lives. Like, for instance, the other day I came across this, I, and, and I incorporate them as well.

I incorporate them, but I knew that that wasn’t a lifetime of mine. So I incorporate this woman, uh, called Amelia. kri I then I found out, when I woke up, I Googled her and I found her immediately. Uh, because I, I was given the name also while I was on that, uh, no, not Amelia, Maria. Antonia. Maria. Maria.

Maria Antonia de Kdi, and she was from the Aung Austro-Hungarian Empire. And I saw myself in her and I saw myself running, running, running through this Palace corridor. Then I looked in this mirror and I’m her, and I, ah, I freak out like, why do I look like this girl? You know, Caucasian with brown hair, regency style, puffy dress per puffy purple dress from the regency style.

And I’m in her body and I know that I’m running because they are marrying me off. They are, they are going to marry me off to this cousin and I don’t want to, and she’s having a panic attack basically. And then I woke up. My astral mentors told me that was a lost tape. That was not your past lifetime.

That was a lost tape from that girl’s lifetime. And she’s the mother of European royalty, by the way, because then I researched

Guy:
Wow. Just to, as we wrap up the podcast. No, no, that’s great. It is been intriguing conversation. I appreciate Selma. Um. What do you feel about people that are listening to this? Should they go seeking this? Should they just be focusing on the, the earth guyer and the earthly plane and diving into their experiences here?

Like, ’cause it’s easy to bypass. ’cause you kind of lent into that yourself a little bit where, you know, instead of coming into this, of what I have and accepting who I am and where I am and and being very present with this, it was easy for you to just go. Off into the astral all the time.

Selma:
That’s such a great question because we are in service to people when we, when we do these interviews, isn’t it? What I would say is, and I usually say this in my own YouTube channel, um, I. I am not, I will never be the sort of person who will teach you how to astro project in five steps or 10 steps or however many steps.

People, uh, because there are videos like that on TikTok and whatnot be, I’m never going to be the sort of person that says Go have the experience, because I feel like I had it when spirituality, when my life mentors felt like I was prepared. I would never tell anyone, go in search of this experience. Just be present, be here, be in the moment, ground yourself with this planet, and if this experience, these experiences are supposed to come to you, they will just be aware that there is more beyond Gaia and that we le we are, we truly are multidimensional beings.

And with that. Uh, with that thought, root yourselves in this planet so that we can shift what is currently happening in this planet. Now, we don’t have to do it. Um, I don’t have to change the world, shift what is happening in this planet through shifting in ourselves. I. Through shifting ourselves into better consciousness awareness, into expanding our, our consciousness awareness.

So take these videos, videos like this, just to expand your consciousness awareness and in so far as these experiences happening to you is concerned, they will come to you if they have to, when they have to. I would not advise anyone to go and force that experience, but any, any, but anyway, to which. Own or her own as well, right.

Guy:
No. Beautiful. I, I, I fully agree with you. I really do. Um, I, I feel like heaven is on earth and if we, even though it can feel like it didn’t, and it certainly didn’t feel like for me for a large part of my life, but the more I’ve just actually. Owned up to myself and lent into what’s there for me and, and sort of heal my own wounds, my traumas, and, and actually understand energy medicine a lot more and work with my body and let it, let it move.

My, my whole state of being has changed my, my relationship with myself, my relationship with other people, and, um, really seeing and the feeling, the gratitude and the beauty for what is. And I feel if we allow ourselves to yearn for that state and actually start to bring that in, everything shifts and then you stop seeking outside of yourself all the time, and those things naturally come.

Selma:
It changes you cellularly, isn’t it? And it completely strips you off some, uh, a lot of what was ego also like? My wanting to do a PhD for all those years, that was more my ego than anything else because I’m a scientist and I want to study what. It’s your ego. You just want to get into some vanity project for no reason, no Selma write about your experiences. This is what you are getting urged by spirituality to do.

Guy:
Yeah, absolutely. So, sel, by wrapping up the podcast, you got a book. So where can people buy your book if they wanna find out more?

Selma:
Unfortunately, it’s only on Amazon. Uh, right

Guy:
You don’t have a hard copy.

Selma:
I don’t have a hard copy with me at the moment because I just moved and I had to leave everything behind. I had to leave all of my books behind, so I’m never so sorry about that. I haven’t got a

Guy:
but, but people can buy it in hard copy. Yes. Yeah.

Selma:
Can Buy It in Hard Copy, and they can also buy the, the online version, both on Amazon. It’s called Images of Cosmology and the GAAN Project where, uh, new Age Science meets, uh, where New Age Philosophy meets the science by Selma Hare.

Guy:
All right. Awesome. And you have your YouTube channel as well. There’ll be links in the show notes, so I’ll get the guys to do it. Yeah. What’s your YouTube channel called? That’s all right.

Selma:
Selma Hare. Selma Hare. S-E-L-M-A-H-A-R-E. Selma Hare. Hare as in the rabbit.

Guy:
Bunny Rabbit. Yeah.

Selma:
the one, the bunny rabbit. Yeah.

Guy:
yeah, Alice in Wonderland. And, um, do, do you have a website?

Selma:
I don’t, not as of yet, but uh, I’ll be working on that and as soon as I do get that toge, get that together, I will be letting everybody know on my own, on my

Guy:
Do, do you geography? Students know you’re jumping on podcasts like this, having conversations.

Selma:
They do. They do. And the other day they were telling me, miss, you have to do something crazy like going to North Korea or something so you can get more viewers to go to your YouTube channel. They are really cool. My students, the older ones, I don’t tell it to the younger ones, but the older ones, uh, my year, uh, 13 students are super cool because they are adults practically, and so they find it the coolest thing ever.

Guy:
What, what? Great. I wish I, yeah. Wish I had a teacher like you at that age, having these conversations and, and making it okay to talk about it. It’s pretty cool. Well, uh, it, any last words for listeners to ponder on before we wrap it up Selma?

Selma:
Listen, we are at an age where even though there’s been a bit of re of a recess, uh, and a bit of a regression in evolution recently, it that that is only but temporary and it’s only the shadows screaming their last scream. We are at an age where we can no longer be burned in the fire. Like Jordano, Bruno, uh, the, the, the philosopher and the, uh, cosmological theorist was burned in the fire in the 16 hundreds.

In 1600 in Campo Fiori in Rome. For saying that he had dreamt about, uh, arista’s heliocentric model. Basically he had a national projection experience where he saw the planets, uh, evolving around the sun, right? We are no longer at an age where that, where that happens to us. We are safe now to be ourselves.

We can come out, uh, with these experiences and, uh, expand our consciousness awareness in doing so. But above all, this planet now needs you. Gaia needs you to center yourself to expand in consciousness awareness, so you can individually and through your communities also work on your communities. Work individually to shift the current socioeconomic paradigm into one where we have left the animal behind and have truly become the human so that we can become the societies, the astral series that we see in the astral.

Bring it to the below as above, so below. This would be the message. And be happy. And be happy.

Guy:
Absolutely. Selma. Thank you so much. I really enjoyed our conversation and, uh, yeah, appreciate it. And I’ve, I’ve learned a new word today as well. Uh, anthroposophy. Is that, did I say it right?

Selma:
That’s it.

Guy:
Yeah. No. Fantastic. Thank you so much my lovely, and uh, I have

Selma:
Thank you for

Guy:
go down really well. You’re very welcome, my love. Thank you.

Selma:
awesome. Thank you. Bye-bye.