#142 This week, my amazing guest is Doreya Karim. We had a really incredible conversation which I recommend you actually listen to more than once. Doreya is the director and vice-president of BioGeometry Energy Systems Ltd. and she has taught over 30 trainings in 8 countries aimed at introducing the principles of Biogeometry.

In this episode we introduce you to the beautiful concept of Biogeometry and we talk about architecture, the energy that spaces hold, and how the spaces we occupy can actually help us heal. I hope that this episode will help you on your journey of understanding the human body as multi-dimensional and changing your relationship with your environment.

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About Doreya: Doreya Karim is the director and vice-president of BioGeometry Energy Systems Ltd. Within this role, Doreya manages the BioGeometry research and product development team directly under BioGeometry founder, Dr. Ibrahim Karim and has had the opportunity to head several BioGeometry research and application projects in the fields of animal farming, architecture, and design.

In 2007, Doreya was awarded a certificate of merit from the Swiss government for her participation as part of the BioGeometry team in the Electro-smog harmonization solution in Hirschberg, which was the second wide-scale environmental harmonization solution successfully applied by BioGeometry in Switzerland. This project was realized in collaboration with local government, Swisscom the national telecome provider and the official Mediation Authority for telecommunication and Environment.

Doreya’s current research and application has helped achieve a sustainable solution for raising chemical, antibiotic-free chickens in Canada as well as research on using shapes to lower low leukocyte counts in dairy farming. Ongoing research in BioGeometry is focused on how classroom design affects functioning of children with Autism and ADHD.

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Key points with time stamp:

• What is Biogeometry (2:07)
• Doreya’s work in her own words (5:35)
• The beginnings of Biogeometry (12:37)
• Locations with the power to balance energy, and their creation (19:32)
• Doreya’s interpretation of healing and how it contrasts to Western medicine’s definition (25:56)
• Are we able to recreate sacred spots with Biogeometry? (34:25)
• The healing properties of pendulums (39:44)
• Using Biogeometry to improve meditation workshops (45:52)
• Doreya’s hopes for the future of Biogeometry (49:23)
• What Doreya leaves us with (56:58)

Mentioned in this episode:

• Biogeometry
• Ibrahim Karim
• Paul Chek
• ETH, University in Zurich
• French Radiesthesia
• TCM
• Jill Bolte Taylor’s TED Talk, My Stroke of Insight
• Giza pyramids
• Swisscom
• Back to a Future for Mankind, Ibrahim Karim
• BioGeometry Signatures, Ibrahim Karim

Doreya Karim’s Website:
www.biogeometry.ca/home

About me:

My Instagram:
www.instagram.com/guyhlawrence/?hl=en

My website:
www.guylawrence.com.au
www.liveinflow.co

 

TRANSCRIPT

Guy 00:10
Hey, beautiful people. This is Guy, of course, your host. Welcome to my podcast where I have conversations that go well beyond conventional health, wealth, and wisdom. Every week, inspire change in our lives. And I have got a awesome show for you today. Now it’s it’s one you’re probably gonna want to listen to a few times. But if I’m honest, it’s one of the most important episodes I’ve ever done. I really believe that. And it’s about biogeometry. And you kind of like, what the hell is that? I get it. I know. Now, this intro is going to be slightly longer than normal, because I want to set the scene for you. And I think it will lead into the conversation today as well. And I would certainly give yourself the time to try and listen to this as an entirety, and then maybe listen to it a couple of times, because once you wrap your head around it, you will start to realize how powerful this this really is. And just to set the scene, I was first alerted to this by Paul check. And I hadn’t heard of biogeometry. So I started to investigate it from there. And I’m reached out to biogeometry and invited us for Doreya Karim to come on the show, which she kindly did now. In that time. She was a she’s based in Egypt. And when we first jumped on to to record the podcast episode, we had technical failure Internet, and we had to reschedule for quite a few weeks later. And in all that time it gives me more time to explore biogeometry and and his profound impact. And I’ve just been absolutely blown away so much so I’m now in conversation with Doreya and their team about partnering with them and looking to bring biogeometry into Australia more be more prominent in 21 and beyond. So that’s how impressed I’ve been with it as well. And what I’m just going to read out a few things here for you because you might say what is it Guy and he got Okay, so it’s referred to as nature’s own design language. biogeometry uses the unique energy quality found at the center of all energetic systems to achieve harmony on all levels of human and environmental energy quality. biogeometry revives ancient wisdom through a modern alchemy of shape, and energy. Today, medicine and most forms of holistic medicine are based on a paradigm that either activate or sedate the energy systems without truly achieving a harmonious balance. Founded by Egyptian architect and scientist Dr. Ibrahim Karim, that’s Doreya’s father, biogeometry’s breakthrough research identified the specific energy codes that are found naturally in power spots on the earth. The natural function of the energy effect is to provide balance or centering to the different energy qualities or effects within any living system. By replicating and amplifying this energy quality, you will in essence, create an anchor that will hold all energy qualities around in perfect harmony. biogeometry takes us beyond our quantitative worldview, reviving the qualitative worldview of the ancients might be something he wanted. He listened to a couple of times along and then do so Doreya is obviously the director of biogeometry. And she has been working directly under a father Dr. Ibrahim Kareem for more than nine years and she’s taught over 30 trainings in eight countries aimed at introducing the principles of biogeometry. And I have signed up as well. I’m doing the the teaching the course. December the first here in for the Singapore time, as well. So that’s happening. This is all in 2020 just to depend when you’re listening to this. So what can I say? This is an awesome episode. Enjoy it. And please reach out to me, email me, let me know what you think of this. If you have any questions as well. And yeah, please be sure to share this episode and many other with a loved one or friend. Hit the subscribe button on iTunes, if you haven’t already.

Guy 04:39
Doreya, welcome to the podcast.

Doreya 04:41
Thank you. Thank you for having me.

Guy 04:43
Now, I have to say I can’t even remember if we spoke about this or not. But I I actually have an ice bath every week, right? And I turn up and there’s a crowd of us between five or 10 people so you can imagine the minds of people that actually want to go an ice bath every week. They’re pretty open right? And somebody clocked me, and the pendant, the biogeometry pendant, I was wearing this. And they said to me, Oh, what’s that? And then I went to, and I just said, Oh, it’s bio geometry pendant. And then of course, they said, What’s that? And I was like, You know what, let me record a podcast. And I’ll get back to you. So that’s, that’s what this is about today? For sure.

Doreya 05:29
You know, I wish I could tell you that I sometimes don’t feel like giving the same answer. So

Guy 05:35
I can we can see how it goes. But I always ask everyone, you know, if you were on an aeroplane, you sat next to a complete stranger. And they said, What do you do? How do you normally answer that, then?

Doreya 05:50
You know, when we talk about biogeometry, there’s there’s two ways I feel to to look at it as a broad picture. When we say what is biogeometry, you know, we say it’s, um, if you look at the actual words, and we break down their meaning, you know, it translates into life measurement of the earth. And that’s where that word actually comes from. Now, going back to words geo, metry, and bio, but what we actually do is we work with a design language of shapes. And so a lot of times, if you go back and you look at the types of, or today, you’d have to go back the types of healing modalities or sensory modalities that are very, that are common, you could think of things such as sound, healing, right, or color therapy. But very few people would know what you’re speaking about, if you say shape therapy. But what by geometry actually offers is through what we call the physics of quality, we offer a language of breaking down every vibrational, every vibrational effect into its effect on the body. So what that means is, if I look at sound, smell, touch taste, I don’t look at them separate. But I look at them as if we we distinguish between absolute reality and perceived reality. And I look at them as basically an absolute reality light where I have the soup of energy. And then perceived reality is the effects that my brain is picking up. And so

Guy 07:28
the quantitative effect of everything coming in to give you that, data, if you like,

Doreya 07:34
Yeah, exactly. Right. So very few of us stop and think about that. What is actually, the world that we live in is being created in our brain. So when we talk about, you know, the energy of shapes, energy of color, the energy of sound, a lot of people aren’t even, or, of course, they’re aware, but they don’t keep in mind that how do you make this reality? Well, that shape, that color, that sound, that touch, that taste has to have an effect on your body. And in order for you to be able to translate it. So there’s two components to that, obviously, there’s your sensory experience, but then there’s that centering healing aspect of it, and you can break it down to any sensory experience, it’s not really limited to sound and color, even though I’d say those are the most common.

Guy 08:22
Got it? Got it, I think I think I got it, because I want to, I want to make this interpretation in my head as well for listeners, because when speaking to before you raise a really important point, about the subtle energy and like I said, we spoke before, but I’ve had meditative state where I’ve expanded beyond myself and and become something greater than myself. So when I translate back into the human experience, I always feel and see myself as subtle energy, but in this mammal, this vessel having a human experience, and that that quantitative data is coming in. And then I put interpretation to it to allow me to have the 3D human experience right now. Now on saying that, and then I feel like the the subtle energy, that’s the fabric that the, that gives rise to reality, if you like, I look at it as myself in a fishbowl. I’m a fish, but I’m not aware of the environment, because I’m already in it. And I don’t know it’s there. And I know you spoke to that.

Doreya 09:29
Yeah, I mean, what I was saying is when when we spoke about it, I said you know, I just said it’s it’s a very kind of interesting vision that you give because in my my father who’s actually the founder of biogeometry, in his new book that’s going to be coming out he has a little illustration, and basically it’s Dr. Fish sitting in the lab trying to make water and he’s saying that basically this is what we’re doing with with subtle energy. It is a type of Free Energy it is that background universal weak that we can tap into. And if so shape is a type of free energy. And so that’s one of the things you know, we have a lot of we, there’s different shapes that we work with that we place in environments. And because they deal with that background, subtle energy, we’ve there’s no type of recharging needed. There’s no type of expiration date. But you actually said something that is that talks, that’s very important as to actually why I think the study of shape is, or the study of the shape of, or working with energy of shape is really distinguishing from other types of like we said vibrational modalities is use, you said, when you’re meditating that you get this experience or not this experience, you actually do, you know, look, you’re going out expanding yourself into the absolute and coming back into this body, this vessel. So one of the things that we actually the premise when we look at the body to start with, so So going back to the shape of the body, and going back to a lot of when we look at biogeometry, the worldview of biogeometry, it’s very holistic and right brain very similar to ancient civilizations. But the first thing we do when we look at the human body is looking at what is the purpose of the shape of the human body. And the conclusion that we come to is the purpose of the shape of the human body, and you’ve just said it is to house energy. So that’s where we begin to unlock some of the secrets of the human body. And I think one of the things that we actually spoke about is even when we look at when we look at Ancient Egypt, when I say we spoke about we spoke about before. When we look at the shape of the human body, if we go back to ancient Egypt, they have what we would call the archetypal images, or the human body drawn in very specific proportions. Now we say why these specific proportions. And what we actually find is when you draw the human figure within those same archetypal proportions, we are actually able to detect an increase of energy qualities on the shape doesn’t have to be a human being an increase of energy, or what we would call a centering energy quality, where the chakras are. So it actually expanded our understanding where now we understand that these energy centers of the body are actually created through the shape of the body, which of course gives a whole new meaning to even the position you take when you’re meditating. Because you’re shaping the body with the way that you sit.

Guy 12:37
Wow. How, how do you come about to doing this? Because somebody had to figure all this out? In the…

Doreya 12:45
fortunately, it wasn’t me. No, so basically, I mean, I was I was born into this, but maybe I can, I’ll step back and get a little bit personal, talk about our families. Yeah. And so my, my father is an he’s an architect and a professor of architecture. And when my grandfather is also an architect, so he was there firm basically did a lot of city and town planning for a lot of cities in the Middle Eastern Europe. He was the first modern architects to in, in Egypt. And my father graduated in architecture and started working with him. In his later years. My grandfather also started being drawn to esoteric, ancient Egypt, or when I say as a esoteric, ancient Egypt, it’s the feeling that you know that there is more than what we’re seeing, you know, in the books and the facts or what you’re seeing when you just go on a on a regular day to day tour in Egypt, which is a feeling, of course that most people have. And so he started going deeper. So he was an Egyptologist in his own right. So my father when he graduated, he was in he graduated from ETH, technical school in Zurich, also in town planning. And there was a lot of different serendipitous events that got him to develop by geometry. One of them was, there was a very firm request that somebody kept sending for my father to basically they were remodeling, the one of an ancient Egyptian Museum. So I believe it was an ancient Egyptian museum dedicated to medicine. And at that time, you know, my father had just graduated, he was working directly with my grandfather’s so he wasn’t he didn’t have the time for it, but they kept kind of pushing saying, No, you have to be the one to do this. And then he started showing him so like I said, Of course, he was open to everything, but it wasn’t his original path. Just coming from that background I told you with my grandfather. So you know, this showed him some instruments that are pendulum instruments or different types of energy symbols that you have from ancient Egypt. And at that time he, he didn’t. He was always, like I said, open minded, but he just said this wasn’t being an engineer, this wasn’t the type of work that he necessarily felt would be the path that he would be taking. And so somebody told them, or just the same person who had was kind of pushing for him to do the museum and telling him this is part of your path. For them, there is actually a physics or what they would call at that time what later became known as a micro vibrational physics, by by what we would call French radiestesia, there is a type of classification system, using pendulums that deals with wavelengths. And that is not just a dialogue with the subconscious. So we told them, you go to, you gave them and we told them, when you’re when you go to France, I’m going to go to the Meson di reditesia. So that’s a it’s a rediestesia shop. And when you go there, ask for these books. So my father said, okay, because he wasn’t planning on going to France. And then a few weeks later, he got sent to France, for work. And so again, when he was there, it also took him a few days, you know, he was concentrating on work, it took him a few days to finally make his way to the shop, he went. And he asked for these books. And you know, that the shopkeeper said, I don’t know what you’re speaking about, we only have what’s called the mental thousand read associate texts, which is basically how to develop a dialogue with the subconscious and gain information, which is, which, which in its own right is also a very deep field of knowledge that you can dive deeply into. But it wasn’t a it’s, it’s not the same type of measurement, we use it by geometry. So then a woman heard him speaking, and said, she said, Are you the Egyptian, where have you been, we’ve been waiting for you for three days. And then she told him follow me. And she took him to, to the back store. And she gave him all of the original, what we’ve called the School of French, red is easier all of the original texts and said this information was, it got buried or it wasn’t, you know, deeply, it didn’t continue this work. But we know that it’s an Egyptian, who’s going to be reviving this science, or who’s going to be bringing it to the next era. And so when he got this body of work, it’s, I think it’s a very significant that he’s an architect and not a physician. Because when he got this body of work, he was already aware of a lot of different subtle energy sciences or approaches out there. And all of them not only have classification systems, they have thousands of years of applications behind them. So what this body of work allowed him to do is it would classify a lot of energy effects into colors. So what I mean is, let’s assume that very simple example, let’s assume that, you know, there’s an issue in the digestive system. And we we can then classify we have wavelengths for specific colors. And we classify each organ function into the color it’s most in resonance with and then the ones that are out of balance, we can actually give it the opposite color, and try to bring it back into balance. So again, that’s just a simple example. But and then there’s the same thing where if you go into classification systems, you have female male, right, so that was a lot of…in ancient egypt, if you have female male energy, positive, negative polarity, yin yang energy. So when he got this the system, he knew that he didn’t want to go down the path of developing another diagnosis system for the subtle energy because, first of all, like he said, You’re at that point you’re dealing with it’s there it exists, you know, if you go into into TCM, you have vast amounts of information. So he started looking as an architect, and this is why I said the significance of being an architect comes in and this is also why I mentioned that him and my grandfather had done a lot of the planning of cities. So looking at architecture and from the history of architecture, he very much looked at why is it that civilizations change, but the spots that they are drawn to the spots upon which their community evolves from doesn’t change. And these spots are areas around the world that are used for pilgrimage that are used for healing, but more importantly, When we place an energy system, in one of those locations, we no longer worry about classifying energy, because that location in itself has secrets that bring the energy system into balance. And that those are what became known as power spots, areas where you can experience the centering energy quality, which sometimes leads to healing, which leads to Oracles.

Guy 20:29
what would be examples of those places for everyone.

Doreya 20:34
I mean, I’m gonna say the pyramids

Guy 20:36
Of course,

Doreya 20:39
just being in Egypt, I’m going to say, the pyramids, but if you go to a lot of the ancient sites, right, so if you go to ancient temples, you will always find them taking into account these energy lines, and actually building where the most sacred area of the site is built on the on the what we would call the major power spot crossings. And then you also find I mean, the way that we that we look at it in history is actually how these spots were identified. And, and, and marked. So in the beginning, how these spots probably were identified. I mean, when we go into ancient man, one of the things we talk about a lot is it’s very difficult. The reason it’s very difficult for us to unlock a lot of the secrets of ancient men is because we are looking at the world through our perspective, where we look at if we look at ancient man being very much caught in a right brain perception. And seeing the world as more more holistic, you know, for, for all we know, they saw energy, right? So they could have even seen these locations. And I’m saying, for example, there’s a TED talk called a stroke of insight, where it’s, I think she’s a neuroscientist, and her perception switches into the right brain, and she starts to be able, she says, I can’t see where my body ends, and the environment begins. And you can, you can see that she’s starting to see energy. But more than that, you these are also locations where, like I said, you have healing, you have all of these Oracle’s locations that animals are drawn to. locations that so for example, a lot of if you have, if you have a dog dogs are mostly drawn to, if that power spot energy exists in your own home, you may find if your dog is feeling unwell, they would automatically go to those locations. with cats, it’s a little bit tricky, because cats their body actually allows them to transmute negative energy for themselves from the earth. So it’s a little bit different. They’re not automatically always going straight to the power spot, but dogs will. And so this is where, for example, they would look at where animals migrated to where you had birds circling, where even where you would have so one of the sites in Egypt, the Citadel, the site is set to have been chosen, that they basically took a meet and hung it around Cairo. And they chose the location where the meat stayed the freshest the longest. Now, of course, we can say there’s probably a lot of factors, you know, if we look at oxygen, if we look at different parts of these locations, I’m sure today, we would analyze it in a more quantitative way. But basically, to them it was the locations where everything was thriving. And when we see these power spots, how they were marked, and this goes into as well into church planning. So if you go to Europe, almost all of the churches are built on power spots. And you can see also in a lot of different German texts. So a lot of the information when we talk about earth energy comes from a German background. A lot of those German texts even have that you could see the depictions where they’re marking the lines, and building the power spot or building the church right on the strongest power spot crossing. And so I’ll speak quickly. But basically, if we look at how these sites were first marked, it would be with large megalithic stones, you know, usually with a very high quartz content to radiate that energy. And then we see also what we would call a dome and a gate structure, a lot of times being placed on the power spots. And this would usually be covered or not usually, but a lot of times it could be covered with a hill giving you that sacred hill or even you know, the combination takes us to the Giza pyramids, where the king’s chamber actually becomes that gate structure inside and then the pyramid covers that. So you find these locations all over the world and one of the things that I like about The work that we do is that we actually teach people how to find them locally. And it’s it because you know, you’re not always able to get to those huge ones that are marked. And you know, even if it’s a smaller power spot, once you can measure that energy, that centering energy quality, which is the cornerstone of biogeometry, that’s how we work. How kids that you know, we had to go back and see if we’re going to work with energy. What is the one type of energy that we can basically expose everybody to, that contains within it, what we call those going back to now Ancient Egypt, where we talked about the archetype of human being that contained within it those archetypal laws, that helps center any energy system multi dimensionally. And that’s where it comes to that special vortex energy we find in sacred power spot.

Guy 25:56
Right, wow, there’s a lot to digest. They said, there’s, there’s something that jumped out to me as well, because because you mentioned the word healing, and these healing places. And I know, ancient civilizations certainly had a different interpretation of healing to what the western medicine is today. And, and also, I’m trying to think what you mentioned earlier, because because Western medicine is based on parts diagnosis, so you’ve got that problem, let’s fix that, but never really looking at the root causes, beyond the symptoms, and I was just what made you speak into just your interpretation of how it can be healing. Overall,

Doreya 26:42
I mean, what comes to mind is, if we look back at Ancient Egypt, and I, I forget, and I think it’s actually the same thing, if we look back into Chinese medicine, but the first doctor, or the highest position of the doctor, was the physician that actually helped you not get sick. It was an it was basically I mean, I, the there was, went into three levels. And it was the third one that was basically the one that you went to when you went sick, but it meant that something was was wrong, or something was off, it was the last one. And I think if we look at our society today, it’s actually the opposite. Where we’re giving preventative medicine doesn’t have enough of a stage in the sense that it doesn’t have enough of a stage because we look at the body as basically a computer and with time, something is going to have a wear and tear. And we just assume you know what’s going to happen. It’s genetic. It’s I don’t know what it’s what but one of the things I mean that that comes to mind is being a professor of architecture, my father is actually able to have many students graduate having their thesis done and by geometry. And mostly the way that this happens is it’ll be a lot of architecture and interior design students, they’ll want to design a study using by geometry to talk about healing spaces. And because of his position, a lot of the professors will allow for the study and just ask my father to come in as a supervising independent professor to ask the questions guide the student. And one of the studies that was actually done, which was very interesting was there was a student who designed it was like a strip that you can put in the base of a room where you can put kind of as a mold. And the idea was that this would help in spaces. I mean, she was really targeting spas, but also things like addiction centers, different things like that, and creating that most relaxing space. So a lot of times when we approach spaces, now, there’s a study of what we call the psychology of the space. But it’s very vague. It’s kind of in the sense that, you know, we feel connected and well in nature. So let’s bring in nature into the home. But which is, which is a wonderful premise. But then let’s go back and look at the energy of nature and make sure we’re recreating it. So with this strip, when she designed it, you know, my father said, what the, it can’t just be a thesis of this space should be relaxing, how do we show that? So we had her called the medical department. And the reaction of the medical department was what I wanted to get to here where, you know, the professor who’s a friend of my father called him and said, stop sending us your design students. This is the medical department, and he said, but my students are designing homes, for people to live in. And they’re getting results. So if they’re not getting results, then we can entertain this argument. But if they’re getting results, then aren’t they a form of preventative medicine? Anyway, so back and forth. The Medical Department said fine, we will help with this study. We’re not going to take anybody off of medication, so they actually helped her do the study with mice. And serotonin levels. And they found compared to two of the drugs that are, well, two drugs and one, which is a combination of the two drugs being used on the market for raising serotonin levels. And they found that we basically scored better, that just using that stripped scored better than two of the drugs, and just as equal in helping normalize those serotonin levels as that combination. And so, and that was actually with the strip, they placed it in a way where it’s actually they put it outside of the cage. So we think the effect would have been better inside. And so it’s these types of conversations where we’re showing that your environment or that space, can actually help to normalize those serotonin levels. But you can study we need to bring science into studying the spaces that we’re living in events for. And so yeah, I mean, when we talk about healing, I think I think the big aspect of it, too, is just thinking of the human body is multi dimensional.

Guy 31:09
And most people don’t.

Doreya 31:12
And so, you know, I think we do in the sense, maybe now that we talk about stress can lead to disease, stress can lead to lowering your immune function. I unfortunately, I think a lot of the mainstream approaches to stress tend to cause more stress, in the sense of, if you don’t deal with your stress, then, you know, you’re affecting your health, you’re affecting your relationships. But I think what we don’t look at is, you know, in in, it used to be when we used to teach, we used to spend so much time explaining to students this concept of energy exchange with the environment, that we’re in constant energy exchange with the environment on emotional, mental, vital and spiritual levels. And it still felt like we were explaining things in a way that wasn’t right. So in the end, we said, you know, what, forget, forget what we’re saying, what we’re trying to tell you is, you are the environment. And we went back to actually, you know, doing different types of measurements on the same person, when they’re facing different directions, you see a shift in their energy. We, we did measurements on of course, when you do a measurement on the power spot location, you see that sense of homeostasis, coming back into the subtle energy system, we did the types of measurements where, you know, somebody will be doing a diagnosis in class. So somebody was doing that, I forgot what it’s called that 12 pulse diagnosis system. And, you know, my father was slowly scooting a cable towards the person’s leg, that was being diagnosed, and you could hear the practitioner going away, you know, that the energy is changing. And so it’s this concept where you know, a plant, if a plant isn’t well, do you sit and try to inject it with chemicals? Or do you try to put it in a location where maybe it’s getting more sunlight, maybe it’s getting more water. And I think that’s where we just need to change our relationship with the environment to understand, you know, I see a lot of, there’s a lot of interest lately, and a lot of retreats, or creating these locations that are supposed to be healing to your energy system. But what they’re actually missing is that, and there’s locations that can be healing to your energy system. And it’s not necessarily you don’t have to do anything. So what I mean is, a lot of times to get a healing location, we say, we have to meditate there, or we’re going to eat a certain type of diet or which is great. But what if we tell you that if you just go to this location, if you can measure those centering spaces and make use of them and connect to them, they’ll do it for you, they’ll change the way you think. They’ll start bringing your energy system into balance. And of course, then if you start meditating in those locations, it becomes a whole different type of experience.

Guy 34:25
It’s a whole new ballgame. So, okay, so what’s coming to mind then is where we spend most of our time, at home, or in the office or whatever. So it makes sense, total sense to set up our environment in a way that supported not not not affecting us for the negative where we’re always fighting, you know, we’re always pushing shit uphill, as they say. Right. So, with biogeometry are we recreating what the sacred spots are? Doing that are out there in the world? Or do I have to go and wander with with my pendulum and to find the spot? Where can I know?

Doreya 35:09
You can create it? I mean, what we’ve developed is, like I said, a design language. I mean, one of the first things, of course, as an architect is able to detect the energy of sacred power spots. Okay? How do shapes come into play? Right, and this is where we said, you know, you have your shapes of the human body, we actually found, and this is where it becomes interesting. So the same energy of a sacred power spot location, when I spoke about the chakras, the same energy of the sacred power spot location is what we find in the body’s chakras. It’s this, they’re in residence. So it shows us who can’t create this environment where we’re completely removed from these energy centers in the body. And these energy centers in the environment and their interaction, they’re interacting all the time, whether we’re aware, whether we’re aware of it or not. So we do work on, you know, the, the creating those locations in the home, but one of the things I’ll recommend is, you know, I’m sure a lot of your listeners do different types of activities at home, such as meditating. One of the big recommendations is meditate in especially, especially if you’ve been meditating for a while, meditate in different locations in your home. See the difference when you do that, you know, a lot, we had one, we had one client or friend we were working we were talking to, and she was saying, you know, we’ve been meditating for 10 years, it comes so naturally and easy to my husband. And when I try to meditate, it’s, it’s, it’s still, it’s still not as common, there’s still a little sense of agitation. And it’s been years, and we check the area where he was meditating in the area where she was meditating. And she was actually meditating on what we would call a geopathic stress line, and we just moved her off of it, and it completely shifted her practice. So I mean, what have we, we try to tell people how they can create these sacred spaces, I mean, we do have what we have the biogeometry home kit, which is actually designed for the home, we have four places and four things that you can actually, like meditation, we even have a music CD, that recreates that energy quality, if you just leave it in the background. It doesn’t even have to be very, like it could be the volume, it needs to have a volume, but it can be very low. But one of the things I’ll tell you to try. And when we look at So, you know, first we started off by trying to bring in where I said, you know, colors are color therapy, sound therapy, you know, if you say that everybody’s going to be with us, shape therapy, people are gonna stop you and be like, I’m not so sure, maybe lately with things like, you know, the flower of life being, you know, a lot more people kind of getting interested to that and sacred geometry, which is different from by geometry, maybe we can have a bridge to energy of shape, of course, energy of shape as well. We talked about the pyramids, you know, look at any type of people who work with crystals, people who create Oregon, Oregon shapes, a lot of times they’re dealing with pyramids, but now what if we talk about number therapies? Okay, so that’s a whole that’s a whole different ballgame, right? But But numbers. So again, you know, what makes if we look at colors, we can say you can differentiate between red and blue. So red has an effect on the brain blue has an effect on the brain. But what if I give you you know, one stone or two stones can you can differentiate between one stone and two stones, so they have a different effect on the brain. So we can even use numbers as a type of energy. And when we look at the number of things, so one of the the first number that gives us that what we call that centering energy, which we call BG three is actually 16. The second number is 19. The third is 28. But what you can do is if you’re if you’re meditating and kind of outdoors, just try to find a 16 or 19 similar stones and just place them around you in a circle. And that will automatically put you into resonance with that center.

Guy 39:44
I’m trying that I’m definitely trying it’s it’s just blows my mind and I cannot tell you like why you know I’m because I’ve been working with energy myself a lot more recently working with people, you know, I reached out to you and just invited you on the show after listening to you on another podcast saying Oh my God, I’ve really got to find out more about this stuff. And you were kind enough to send me a pendulum and and well, two pendulums, two wear right. And that was, was the last thing in my mind, I just wanted to pick your brains more than anything. And I have a platform to do it. But I’ve been wearing it now for, I don’t know, two weeks, maybe two, maybe three weeks, maybe even a month, I’m not sure. And and Matt who I work with who works with sound, he’s been working with sound for 17 years, very tuned in guy went out and bought one the next day. And he’s like, and then arrive similar time. And I swear to God, like every time I would hold space, and it was draining. And I would work really hard to get my energy back up. But it would normally take me a day or two afterwards, when working with other people’s emotional, subtle energy, because I’m keeping my awareness in my heart and in the subtler energy, the whole time holding that space. And the transformation, I swear to God has been incredible. Like I’ve really noticed it, even my sleep in general, this deeper.

Doreya 41:14
You know, so I think Yeah, so it’s this also the same one right here, I think.

Guy 41:18
Yeah, I’m not just saying that because you’re like that this is what’s happening. And it’s got me very excited about the possibilities of it all,

Doreya 41:27
I have to say. So a lot of I mean, just to go into what this the the pendant has, that’s. So the pendant is basically if you look at, if you look at the meridian system, for example, these are energy lines that cover the whole body. Yeah, so when we start looking at each organ, you actually find that we can trace going back to those color wavelength qualities, we can trace energy flows within each organ shape. And so, you know, the goal of by geometry then is okay, so we have these shapes, and similar shapes will enter into resonance, just like two tuning forks, if you if they’re the same note will enter into resonance. So we have these shapes that can enter into resonance with functions, energy functions, or lines in the body. And then how do we, so the years of research was, but we don’t want to study a human body, we want to study that we call that archetype full body. And that body that is the shape that is the blueprint upon which we’re built. And we want to go back to that. So that’s where the years of the research went into, we have these energy flows, we can place the shapes of these energy flows on our own body. And because that that energy flow exists within us, there’s a type of information exchange, and every single shape has been researched or adapted to bring in a sensory quality of a power spot into the organ. And what one of the things, you know that I find that people who experience a lot of people say, you know, what am I going to experience when I wear the pendant? Is it going to take care of this? Is it going to take care of that our answer is always you know, it really depends on the cause. Right, where, personally, my one of my biggest issues is my posture, and there is a certain energy blockage that I have to keep clearing a lot. Until I fix my posture, does it the pendant is helping where I’m not seeing an energy build up as much as I would, and the work that we do. But since the causes more physical, it becomes a support. But there’s a lot of causes that are emotional and mental. So that’s why sometimes people will wear the pendant and there’ll be an instant reaction. Yeah, now this goes to, when you say holding space, or where we see that instant reaction a lot is with people who work with other people. Because a lot of times when you’re holding space, or in a lot of the locations that we visit to teach, there’s been a lot of activities or rituals or things that have to do with a release of energy. And very few people remember to clear the spaces before they leave. And also to clear themselves. So actually, one of the shapes the shape that we have here with the pendant, we call it an L 90 because it’s has a 90 degree angle helps do that helps keep your energy system clear. And I think that’s one of the reasons you were you were feeling that and then with the other shapes going into different organ functions will even help everybody that you’re connected to. And so it’s been one of the things that we you know, I say we because I it really is kind of I teach most of the time I teach with my sister. And then like I said, you know my my father having developed this And my brother also teaches as well and licenses people for kind of Home, home balancing services. But when we teach, one of the things that we have found, or we always try to remember is, if we don’t clear the space before the class starts, we can feel it. You know, even when we if we don’t go in and just take a look at the space and clear it, the you don’t put it in my my sister’s work the one time that we forgot to do it. She said, it’s like there’s a cloud, you know, we we showed up late and we didn’t clear the space. And she was like, there’s a cloud, kind of on the space on the students without us even having started any type of energy work. And, you know, we actually at that point, kind of paused the class gave everybody a break, and sat and worked on the space before everybody came back. And it was just a completely different experience.

Guy 45:52
That’s amazing, because I’ve run I reckon 40 workshops in the last 18 months before COVID hit, maybe more. And there will be times because I’d be working with people all day. You know, and, and there’ll be times that come out of there feeling like I’ve just been run over by a bus. And then other times, I feel great. And I just like what, like, what is it like, what is going on, and I definitely felt there was the environment, but I felt kind of helpless to really be able to address that fully, you know. So

Doreya 46:30
let’s let me Let’s, there’s two things you can start doing right away. So we talked a lot about when it comes to energy, we talked about shifts in time and space, you know, think about summer equinox, autumn equinox, but even more than those, think about the biggest shift in time we’re dealing with every day is the sun rising and the sun setting. And this is also a type of perception going back to that shifting to right brain perception and understanding energy, we try to focus so much because we talked about stress. And, you know, one of the things that we’re finding is causing a lot of stress is actually that our perception of time is left brained, where our perception of time is very much, you know, minute after minute after minute. And you’re moving to, you know, in a specific one way path, linear, linear, linear type of perception. And we, we talk a lot about the profound effect of just shifting to a cyclical perception of time and seeing every day as that cycle from sunrise to sunset, and addressing every day. Through that, you have a little bit of this perception with people who work with the land, farmers dealing with seasons. But this also ties into we talked about, so you get it if you can capture an energy quality, or create an energy quality at the start of a cycle, it carries through the whole cycle. So one of the ways that we make use of this is actually the start of a cycle in your home is the door, that’s what we would call your energy key, your main energy key. And if you say a blessing, as and this can be when I say say a blessing, it can be whatever that means to you know, some people just even imagine a white light. If you see it as you walk through the door, that will project in the whole space and walk with your right foot. So the right foot forward has a type of projection effect, the left foot forward has a protective effect. So walk in with your right foot, say that blessing, it’ll project in the whole space. So if you have everybody do that, as they walk into the space, it will clear it automatically. And so after that, what you can do at the end of the session is have everybody clap. So clapping will actually clear the space when everybody’s done while they’re there. So it’s um, you know, the two easy things you can you can implement that will make it easier, easier to hold the space. You know, easier to like I said, when they’re walking out, but hopefully, you know, I do believe that just like I said that l 90 shape with the pendant will be enough. So that I you know, I would be surprised if you get tired. Again while you have those on.

Guy 49:23
Yeah, well, it’s been night and day, honestly, it really has, which is phenomenal. What is your hope for biogeometry moving forward was what is your vision take you with this?

Doreya 49:36
I think I think there’s two parts, which is really, you know, the practical part. We haven’t touched on it so much, but a lot of our work. And probably the work that we’re actually the most known for internationally is that in 2005, there was a cell tower, installed in an in a town in Switzerland, and there was a Suddenly, there was a lot of health issues coming up, but also a lot of issues with, with the cows and with a lot of the animals around. And so at that time, my father having graduated, like we spoke about from the technical school in Zurich, they asked him if he had a solution. And he went in, and we installed shapes on the actual cell tower antennas. We were lucky because we at that time, we worked with the mobile providers swisscom. And we worked with the local government. So we had all the access we needed. And, you know, within a week, all of the symptoms had dissipated. But more than that, it wasn’t when when we went in, so the study was done independently. But when they started looking at the study and talking to people, it was done in terms of talking about all of the symptoms you’re experiencing, you know, we went in with the understanding that we’re going to be dealing with a lot of physical symptoms, I’m not sleeping well, you know, you know, sometimes a lot of people were talking about neck pain, headaches was a big one. But the the surprising part, I guess, or the the shocking part was that shift and feeling. A lot of the mental and emotional answers that came, were we weren’t even we weren’t thinking of that going in. But you know, a lot of people were saying I’m, I’m one of the biggest ones was, I find that I have less of a will till that, I wake up less motivated. You know, it’s, it’s, a lot of times, there was a lot more fights between families. And we added that to the study. And we at that time, the residents, you know, they, they didn’t understand by geometry, but they were just looking for any solution. And so, you know, when I say a week later that it shifted to people saying, you know, they, they accepted the tower being there with the shapes on there, they wouldn’t have done that unless all of their symptoms went away. And so a lot of times when we talk about the goal for by geometry, is we actually show the graph, when a lot of times when we’re going in, and people want to know, what is it that we can help try to do? The goal, like you’re saying is we actually show the study from that, that from that town, we actually recruited in a second town as well, in Switzerland, where you see, basically the number of people suffering from, you know, physical or mental symptoms. And you see a graph, where the highest is, almost everybody has a complaint. It doesn’t matter what the complaint is, we basically turned it into what we call the quality of life skill. Everybody has some kind of complaint, whether it’s a physical or whether it’s an mental or emotional complaint, that was the majority. After we placed the work, the majority of people came out and said, I’m symptom free. And so yeah, we don’t have the data or this has been done on every single, you know, community or large million, you know,

Guy 53:05
that story made the media didn’t it?

Doreya 53:07
Yeah, so it made the media, you can find it on our site. But most of the time, what we come and tell people is, we show them the graph before talking about that story. And we say, you know, where would you place yourself and your family and your local community, we haven’t had anyone come and tell us that they would place their community into feeling like most people would say they’re symptom free. You know, sometimes people will say moderate, sometimes people will say severe, we’ve never had people come and say, that symptom free on on the mental, emotional, physical, of course, you know, it’s going to be normal that sometimes you’re going to be more tired, sometimes you’re going to be more, you know, hopefully in time, we can create that perfect human state. But our general well being is it in this isn’t where most people can say, I’m, I’m, well, I’m well in every meaning of the world, word, mental, emotional. And a lot of times as well, when we talk about mental emotional, we usually are talking about my mental and emotional level. And so that’s another thing that we try to say, we have to move away from that, you know, we do clearing exercises, and people want to know, what am I going to be clear, we say never. There’s a part of you that’s connected to the world, we have to change the way we think. And so I guess if that’s the goal is to bring to to bring this understanding and this possibility that when we look at the human being multi dimensionally, we can get to this state. And you know, one of the best things also in Switzerland is we have the data not just for people, we have the data for animals, which is also something that we you know, it’s important to consider, you know, a lot of the the cows were having stillbirths there was there had to slaughter a lot more cows after we did the solution that stopped you know, The first thing was the bats came back, you know, that was when they put the cell tower, you know, the bats were no longer coming. And it was a big deal, because the bats are so sensitive that they came back.

Guy 55:12
That’s extraordinary. absolutely extraordinary. And when you think about it, we we never really consider our environment of how that’s affecting our well being. We just don’t not, you know, not were the way I was raised or people around me, it’s like the last place we look. I mean, there’s more awareness coming on to it now. But as extraordinary, as extraordinary, there’s so many questions, I want to ask them aware, we’ve been going for an hour already. And it’s been an incredible podcast, I think I’d love to get you back on at some stage, if you’re okay with that, or Yeah, because

Doreya 55:48
I’d love to anytime,

Guy 55:49
amazing. Look, if people want to learn more, one, where would they start? Like it was, you know, somebody’s gonna be listening to this and probably just had their mind blown. And shit, what do I do? Like, can I go learn this stuff? With the best what’s, what’s the next steps for people?

Doreya 56:09
I mean, I’d say if you want to dive deeply into it, there’s two books. So there’s, there’s two things we actually spoke about, which is, let’s say if you want a little bit more of the science part, what I just said is the physics of quality. There’s a book called back to a future for mankind. And if the author is my father, Dr. Karim. And then if you want to learn more about these shapes, and the pendant we’ve been speaking about, there’s actually the book biogeometry signatures. Actually, I also have a coloring book that I made using these shapes. And that’s that’s been a fun experience and getting that feedback, because I made it for myself in the beginning. And then, you know, I said, you know, a lot of people are asking when and when they saw it. And so there’s been a lot of wonderful feedback from that as well. And then just the website biogeometry.ca.

Guy 56:58
Amazing. And is there anything you would like to leave our listeners to ponder on over after everything we’ve covered today?

Doreya 57:08
I mean, I think I think just the what we spoke about is being aware that there’s, you know, like you said, a lot of people aren’t aware of the environment. I think also, as we grow more aware of the environment, our approach isn’t necessarily a holistic approach. So being aware of that subtle energy exchange, going back to that fish in the fishbowl, you know, we’re sitting trying to create water, we’re living with it, the way we enter into resonance with it, is very important. And so, you know, being like I said, I think one of the best things for the for your audiences, a lot of them are probably meditating, a lot of them are probably doing a lot of these exercises for their subtle energy system. And a lot of them probably because they have a background in this would be sensitive enough to see changes in every different location. Even if it’s not changing locations, change directions, try meditating once towards north time meditating, south, east west, see what you feel, and find the location that works best for you. Even if you’re not doing it with measurement, the way that we would normally be doing it. It’s a start to start being aware of the environment.

Guy 58:18
Yeah, beautiful story. I thank you so much for coming on the show today. That was incredible. And you’re welcome. Thank you. Beautiful, guys. I hope you enjoyed that episode, myself and Doreya, today, be sure to reach out and let me know what you think. And if you do have any questions on this, like I said, I’m partnering with biogeometry in 2021. And excited to be bringing my work here making more well known within Australia, I think it’s an important and of course, we are running a retreat in January here in Northern New South Wales, Australia. And we’ve got a couple of spots left. So if you’re still listening to this, and you want to come and join us and deep dive into all this work that we’re doing, and have some profound experiences along with us and some other beautiful hearts and souls, and be sure to come back to my website guylawrence.com.au by you are livinflows.co it’s all there. And hopefully I will meet you in person one day soon. Much love for me Have an amazing week.