#134 This week, myself, Matt, and Petra will be answering some of your amazing questions. As always, we love hearing from you and answering your questions the best we can.

Answering your questions, we will be covering topics like problems with meditation, self love, discovering our true selves, and aligning out passions with financial success. The central theme with ultimately be gratitude and trust and how we can trust the universe to guide us to the right path.

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About Petra: Petra Brzovic is a certified transpersonal and clinical hypnotherapist, regression and Past life regression therapist, Life between Lives therapist, yoga teacher and aromatherapist.

Petra has been working on the latest Body & mind medicine discoveries. With an international team of scientists she is running research on brain, mind, body and soul connection, consciousness and healing.As Master Trainer and Instructor Petra is training and teaching therapists around the world, helping them learn how to help others heal.

About Matt: Matt Omo is a leader of the sound healing movement in Australia with over 15 years of experience working with a variety of sound healing techniques bridging cultures and traditions from around the world. The work and awareness around sound healing and its benefits are growing every day. Matt is developing new programs and products to meet this need and continue to support people in discovering the benefits of the healing power of sound.

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Key points with time stamp:

• Should we force ourselves to meditate? (1:30)
• Is the desire to stop meditating, rooted in the fear of it changing our lives? (4:50)
• Guy’s personal experience with leaning into the unknown. (8:41)
• How can we align our passions with financial success? (10:54)
• What do we need to do to reveal the true self? (20:31)
• What is the relationship between breathing and cold exposure in the Wim Hof method? (21:32)
• How can we incorporate self-love into our daily lives? (23:33)
• What is Body Vibing and how does it allow us to centre ourselves? (26:43)
• How can we move past burnouts and more forwards? (30:07)
• How can we releaser ourselves from the pressure of working towards something we want? (39:17)
• Reasons why meditation can get harder and how we can overcome it (46:30)

Mentioned in this episode:

• Love Your Vibe (2019), book by Matt Omo
• Body Vibing
• David and Goliath
• The Let It In workshop

Petra’s Website: www.petrabrzovic.com
Matt’s Website: www.omosoundjourneys.com

About me:

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TRANSCRIPT

Guy:
0:06
Alrighty, we’re live.

Matt:
Fantastic.

Petra:
Yay!

Guy:
0:11
Fantastic Petra. Matt. Welcome. I’m just checking…Yes. Okay, all good. Sorry, go Sorry to keep you waiting guys, whoever’s tuned in and watching thanks to Google hangout and my technical abilities, we have a slight delay, but that’s alright. Okay, so we’ve got some ripple questions tonight guys. So I reckon let’s just get on with it. I’ll read them out. And I know we’ve got a hard stop at nine o’clock tonight is to make sure Petra but has given us nearly an hour to go to client on after that. Awesome. Good to go, guys. Let’s do it.
So first question, Belinda. I love this question as well. “I recently had about two weeks where I did not want to meditate. I had to force myself to sit down and even while meditating, the whole thing was a real struggle. I had not had this before when I was having to make myself meditate. And it was not a pleasant experience at all. It’s gone away now. But just wondering if you have had this happen after you have a regular practice established? And also, if it happens again, should I force myself to sit there or stop meditating? And just be mindful during my day of what is going on?” I think if we distil that down is whether there should be a forced effort into a meditate and overcoming a part of ourselves. Would you say I’ll be fair enough to say, breaking it down? Let’s start with you, Petra.

Petra:
1:45
Okay, so yes, Belinda. happens to all of us and it’s so normal and actually, I kind of look forward to those periods because now I’m really breaking through something when that happens. And that something big is coming up to the surface and although I don’t know what I’m dealing with, I just know I have to push through. So yes, we all have those moments, not moments but periods, and just trust that you’re just going through something and best way to go through it is just continue doing the meditations you know of course your body will try to make try to make it stop doing the meditation. Your mind will try to stop because you’re stepping into the unknown you’re just raising on another level you’re raising on another vibration and of course part of you is freaking out because of that and just you know that you’re doing for your best and you will know it as you know now that when once is over it was worth it and that you will feel and sense that’s why had to go through the word and what’s actually changed in your life. So no, don’t stop meditating. Keep on, keep on doing the meditations and just push through that period and just know that it goes like on in stages, like you’re climbing the steps and sometimes it takes a little bit more time on one step. Before we are ready to move on the other one. And it’s a lifelong work. You know, it’s just it goes like this. It’s normal. That’s my experience then the defence of my students as well as in Guy you can say what you experienced and met as well.

Guy:
3:39
Yeah, I think there’s there’s always a lesson. I always look back and like you say, the closer we get to, to break through a truth, the bigger the fight, without a doubt. And, and it’s, I’d love to say every meditation I get down, I want to do it in this blissful and have these amazing experiences and try For the rest of the day, but it’s not the case for all. And the it’s almost like the closer you get, like you say the closer you get to the truth of something, not for how we see it is there’s always resistance. And there’s always a battle. And that can come up with emotions, lethargicnnes. depressed, like all those emotions can really start to come into, into play. And that’s where the true observers now that’s the work then isn’t it? And I think if I can overcome myself, when I get into a meditation, I’m going to I’m going to really struggle overcoming myself in the day and it can affect it for a lot more, this residual effect.

I’m going to read out the second part of your question and I’d love to hear your thoughts on this as well guys, because then it kind of fits into what she’s saying. “So and after a lot of reflection, I realized that desire to stop meditating was due to a massive subconscious internal freak out caused by the world. realization that this shit is working, and will give me what I desire, made worse by the mind movie challenge. So just wondering if on your path to change your lives, if any good things happening to move you towards a new path caused you to question everything.” Matt, what are your thoughts?

Matt:
5:30
Well, yeah, I mean, that’s a very common belief or pattern to have within is this, the self sabotage? So, you know, it’s always you know, working with a sense of self worth a sense of self love, all these things that we are striving to embrace more of the wholeness in ourselves. And if there’s something that you know, I believe that the source of all that we are is already whole, complete, unfulfilled and that anything we need deserve Why is just because there’s a separation or fragmentation between our true essence and who we are actually identifying with who we are being in our in our lives. And so there’s things in the way. And so when we start to then reach for that those belief systems and those patterns that are keeping us in that place of separation will start to flare up, and they have to fall away. And so we tend to cling to that very tightly, because the known it’s what we know. And so going into the unknown into that expanse, and that, you know, the greater part of ourselves a more empowered part of ourselves is quite a scary place to move into. And I think it also, it’s cool to see how she has that first part of the question. And then the second part, she had her realization by, you know, keeping on the practice and doing the work, and absolutely, it’s about doing the work. And I think one little caveat, what you guys touched on is, you know, you got to, you got to get up and when you come into those places of resistance is when you’re going to come through a breakthrough. I think also, it’s, it kind of got to go back to the what the, the intention behind the meditation is, and you, Guy, touched on it briefly about, you know, when the observer comes in, it’s about being in that place of observation, that place of awareness. And that, you know, I think it really comes down to, if there’s a resistance in the meditation, how aware how self aware, are you to notice that, Oh, is this actually I need to actually rest today? Or is it that I actually am coming up against something that is in the way that I need to actually, you know, be with. And that’s a very challenging, different differentiation to make. Because we’re, we don’t spend a lot of time with ourselves and we’re always, you know, looking at things outside and not really being clear and present with what’s going on. So, with the regular practice, you get more you develop more sensitivity to what that is, you know and what’s in the way and when I need to rest I can rest because I know it myself oh actually you’re really tired dude, you push yourself the last two weeks you’ve done you know, all these events you’ve been traveling whatever it’s like actually your body say in rest that’s why there’s a resistance whereas you know there’s something that’s new that’s going to come in and it’s going to cause this great growth and I’m kind of scared of and so I’m not going to do it today it’s a totally different feeling when you get down to the vibration of it but yeah, it’s so it’s kind of like a double edged sword there but great question I love how it kind of comes to its answer in itself too.

Guy:
8:41
Great answer Matt. I’ll add something to that as well because I’ve noticed on my own journey, with leaning in towards the very things that I want to live and live this you know, this fulfilled life and almost creating the life that you never want to escape from. But I’ve found over time as I’ve gotten closer to that, it really does start to challenge some fundamental beliefs about who I think I am. And how I’ve identified with myself. And a lot of that is to be around not upsetting the [inaudible] and the people I hang around with. And it’s almost like, I think it’s innate in us that we want to belong and we want to feel a part of other people and feel loved and cared for and that and there’s always been alarm bells that come especially through, you know, all of us put ourselves out there and have to lead from the front to a degree to I think all of those things that there’s a great deal of vulnerability that starts to come with that. And then again, it’s in that vulnerability, there’s not safety or we haven’t identified it to be safe, hence why we’re always in our protective self and ego and justified all those things. So for me, I really had to and I still do even when I put myself out there and verbalize even though there’s this innate side of me that’s just hungry to get this information out and help other people and share this, there’s still a part of me that just freaks out. It still does. But that relationship continually evolves and change, and I’m always continually learning about myself in these things. So, I think we can often be more fearful of success than we are of failing. Even though that doesn’t sound logically right at all, you know, but the closer we get to identify with that and learn about that relationship and really, and really self analyse those things, I think is when we can start to break through them and just continue to notice what comes up and keep going anyway.

Guy:
10:54
Beautiful. All right, next question.
Okay, Dave. “So being a single income earner with a family of four, how do I let go and follow my passion, when there is so much at stake financially? I trust in my passion. But do others. The fear of failure and its consequences can hold me back.

Matt:
11:22
Hmm. That’s a good one.

Petra:
11:27
And I think we’ve all been there. Right, guys?

Guy:
11:30
Yeah, I know. Both of you have children right as well. Yeah.

Matt:
11:37
Yeah, it’s I mean, there’s more responsibilities, obviously with children. But it’s, I think it’s the same question even if you didn’t have children, following your passion and you’ve got your stuff in place as to what actually allows you to function and be safe and supported and secure in your life in our modern world. Sometimes those passions and those things that we feel are our purpose or not, don’t seem to be I think this is the important thing. They don’t seem to be aligned with that financial success. And it’s like, you know, I have a computer engineering degree, bachelor’s Computer Engineering, and I did a computer program for five years. And it was it was killing me. It was just killing me. And, um, and then you know, that’s all been my journey is and if that person if that kid who graduated from uni would have been told you got to go by a gong and actually start banging on this gong and make sounds and believe people are meditations and that’s gonna, you know, make you the money that you you’re getting now I would laugh at them like to no end like that would have made no sense to me. But it was one baby step after baby step after baby step. But then things started to align. I got nudges and doors opened and I made different connections that then over time, you know, it’s a span of like from that job until being successful at the work that I do now was a span of, oh jeez 15 years, I guess. And with some very abrupt shifts during those 15 years, but along the way, it started to make sense. And then I, like I’m now making more money than I would have than I was then as a computer engineer, but it didn’t make sense to that part of myself. And here comes the kids talking about. But it’s, I think that it’s like, you’re not kind of let go of this idea that it is one or the other, and that there’s a separation. It’s like, how can you lean in and integrate your passions into your life now, and then allow that to start to come together and you’ll start to find a path that they’re gonna it’ll, it’ll make sense. It’ll all unfold and the universe will support you. Sorry, go on. You can answer that. Petra. I got a question here in my ear.

Petra:
13:53
Okay. Yeah, what I would just add I completely agree with Matt and I’ve been under 17 as well. And I think they that it’s important that you don’t expect from yourself that needs to be overnight. Or that you need to let go of the job that you have now and then have nothing and need to start over with something completely new. So allow yourself a period where you are balancing the balls. And then gradually you’ll see that life will support you more and more and you’ll be able to let go of your old job and start doing the one that you’re doing. That you actually want to do. Everything will happen in a way that is right for you, when you allow yourself to trust and it’s actually not about others believing in you and others believing in you being able to live your passion is only one that needs to believe is you. And that’s what you need to be working on believing that you can do it trusting that you can and should follow your heart. And just focus on what joy and what benefits you living your passion will bring to others as well that it will be easier that way. Because then you won’t be focusing only on yourself, but also what you’re bringing to other people. And that might help you to continue walking this path where you want to go, and fear of failure. It’s normal, you’re just stepping in the unknown, and you just need to let go of something that you’ve been doing for so long. And that’s familiar, although you’re not happy doing that. But what’s the worst thing that can happened? You’ll The worst thing that could happen is you getting a new job, something else, which of course you won’t want because your life will support you. And as you start doing this work that we are all doing, you’ll see it will just one miracle will lead to another miracle and you’ll be supported like Belinda said, everything will start to come through. So just go step by step, you don’t have to jump and, and just leave whatever you have now, but go step by step and you’ll be more and more supported and you’ll be more and more confident in yourself and the universe or the life will start showing you that you’re on the right path. I mean, guys say he wasn’t the same position like me. So Guy can also tell you his way of viewing.

Guy:
16:29
The one the one thing I would tell myself as well is I look at any of these transitions or big decisions we make and I always I always go back to a gym analogy because I spent so much time as a fitness trainer and, and being able to lift you have to lift more weight than you can currently cope with. And that’s how you get stronger but you don’t lift too much that’s going to crush you in one goal. And for me, it’s about finding that balance and continuing to lean in and go beyond your comfort. But whatever it is, like you say, step by step, you know you, if that’s your comfort zone, take it so far, but you don’t have to go all the way out here. You might cope, you might not. But at the same time when I’ve been making transitions and as I’ve practiced it and lean in my, my coping mechanism becomes bigger and bigger, but the only way to cope and become bigger and bigger, is that by actually doing it, you know, and what I would also do as well is go, Okay, I’m going to do this. I’m all in. But give me some signs, give me some evidence that I’m on the right path. Start looking for feedback, that as you start to lean in and do this, that things can like you say, if you’re following your heart and you can grow in your intentions correct behind it, you feel aligned, things will start to show up in the right way for you. And as they do because you’ve already taken the steps in your own initiation into the next chapter of it. You will start to grow in confidence As things start to show up and reinforce it, but it’s a question of balance. And the other thing I have always done Dave and I cannot I can certainly feel where you’re at me is acceptance. And for me when I’ve been in places where I feel trapped and in a corner, I desperately wanted to be following my heart, my passion, but I didn’t feel like I had wiggle room because I didn’t have much money. I was in debt. I was… everything felt like it was stacked against me. But the moment I fully accepted where I was at and embraced it and started to see the gift of life, and each day starts to come, from that point, I really started to see more opportunity than obstacles, but it really was allowing me to come back from moment by moment, day by day, can I put a smile on this person’s face today? Can I interact? Can I present my best self right now? And it helps get rid of the story and the fears around it on from that place, you start making better decisions because the moment you’re constantly in a stress response, you You’re going to have a distorted view of what actually is and what reality is. In that moment, like that science, you know, when we’re in that stress place, we don’t see things for what they truly are. We see them for how we feel. And therefore the way we feel. This is what’s govern the way we see things, to the various things to be mindful as well. Okay. But there’s, there’s no other way at some stage you have to step into it.

Petra:
19:32
Yeah. And the feedback that the Guy mentioned, you don’t need the feedback from other people don’t misunderstand us, the universe will start sending you signs that you’re on the right path. And if you’re tuned into your head, you know, you just know that you have to do this and there is no doubt but the only thing you need to do is just allow yourself time that you go step by step and know that the uncomfortable feeling you’re feeling It’s normal. Don’t expect that. It’s it feels easy along the way, it’s been uncomfortable for all of us. And as you go along, it will become more and more comfortable, it will be more and more familiar. And you will just turn around and find yourself living the life that you want it to live. But this part of you that you’re just stepping in now it’s uncomfortable. And it’s like that for all of us. For all people, but just know it’s normal. And it’s okay, and just keep on going. Right?

Guy:
20:31
Yeah, I think this work is about revealing the true self right? At the end of the day, and if we want to reveal that we have to start breaking down the layers and the identity of who we associate ourselves with our entire life. And sometimes we’ve been making decisions along that way. from that place, which isn’t asked and we’ve strayed and but to go back and come back on path. There has to be that has to be changed. There has to be a breakdown of the old move into the new. You know, and it’s and that’s where most that’s where most people will retreat and spend another five years or whatever it might be caught up in where they’re at denying themselves that change. So, you’re doing the work mate. And this is this is part of it. You know, as uncomfortable as it can feel. Yeah.
All right. Next question. Lou Gaugin. “I’m wondering about the relationship between the breathing and cold exposure in the Wim Hof Method. Do you do the breathing just before cold exposure or doing it or at other quiet quite separate times it’s been doing? I’ve been doing that as a morning meditation. Thanks for your thoughts.” I’ll jump into that one. Essentially, I used to think about this a lot, but I don’t worry too much. If we do the breath before, or during the cold exposure, or after or keep them separate. I play around with it, I generally do the breath work once or twice a week. And the best way I think to think about it, is what we’re trying to do is, is allow our homeostasis and tap into that autonomic part of our nervous system where the fight or flight or rest or repair is, and we’re trying to allow ourselves to influence that. So we can tap into the rest and repair the parasympathetic part of the system more. So what I feel is as the breath work can do that, and so can cold exposure, and again, you’re just stressing systems of the body like I was saying with the gym earlier. I wouldn’t get too caught up with it. But what can happen because of the that type of breathing. It’s actually stimulating sympathetic at first. So we stress the system one way So that way can help you feel more charged and energized when you’re getting into the cold exposure. So at first it can be a bit of a safety mechanism to help you mentally get prepared. Because with a Wim Hof breathing, you’re going into a stress response first and then you’re flicking back into the rest and repair afterwards. But also, you can use the breath to help center yourself if you’re struggling with that cold exposure in there as well. Yeah, hope that helps. It’s good question. I was thinking about that. Alright, guys, Fleur. “Hey, guys,” I love this question by the way. “My focused intention at the moment is on self love. In a month, I turned 40. So I had an idea to create a four weeks to 40 activity for myself, where each day I physically do something to help reinforce my intention, in addition to the daily meditations. I’ve come up with some ideas but would love to hear any suggest You might have or any personal stories tips you can share on how he you have been able to create or improve self love in your own lives.” I think we’ve lost Matt. So Petra, I’m going to hand that over to you.
Petra:
24:17
Okay, I’ve met his family, his kids. Happy birthday and just I’m turning 40 in two weeks as well. So join the club. Well, what I would say is just be aware every day and add as many little things you can to treat yourself right. From doing the meditations to choosing the right high quality organic food to nourish your body, doing some form of exercise, choosing which people you’ll be hanging out with. Allowing yourself to stay Say no in situations where you feel that no is the right answer. Although before you might not say no. Just treating yourself well in any way that you can think of, during the day starting from looking in the mirror in the morning and saying, Hi, I love you. And I’m so grateful for you did for me in this 40 years, and I’m so proud of you from just making the practice of being grateful for who you are for all that you went through in this 40 years, being grateful for your body and all it did for you in all this forty years. And treating yourself good in any way in any moments. And I think it’s a great exercise. And actually that’s what I’m doing right now as well, because I pushed myself too hard in last few years. So I’m in the same position like you are and that’s what I’m doing. I’m really I’m really mindful these days, and really taking care of myself as doing whatever I just told you. giving my body enough sleep, choosing the right food, choosing the right people saying no when I feel something is just going over my boundaries. And yeah, being aware in every moment doing yoga and meditating and all that I feel is good for me to just tune into and find what’s good for you and just keep on doing it.

Guy:
26:30
While practicing it. Yeah.

[Inaudible]
Matt:
26:38
What kids? What are you talking about?
Yeah, no. And the along with the self love thing. I think too. Like just being like being kind to yourself is one. There’s a practice that I share in the book in the Seven-Session Process called body vibing. That’s been like something that’s just been amazing for me through the years and it’s um, it’s basically just learning to be present with your body and actually it’s a it’s, there’s a guided meditation I think it’s on your group there Guy. And that you can drop into him. If not, I can click on over to Fleur and she can dive into that. But yeah, that one seems it’s just being present with your body actually slowing down enough and just feeling the body letting yourself like start to explore the touch and the sensations and all parts and it really drops you into this place of nurturing this place of, of care of loving this, you know, vessel that’s carried you through through your life, which I think we, we tend to neglect many times we push and prod ourselves and yes, it’s just a stopping dropping in. And I think that’s fantastic. And then then the other two things that I would really say to lean into his kindness and gratitude and just even just having Those as like a kind of a mantra. I’ve been playing with this the last month is I caught myself going through when I come back to Sydney and I was like, ah, Sydney sucks, everyone’s so busy and nobody ever looks in your eye and everyone’s so angry and like all this noise just on this, this, this pedestal and just like, you know, had this whinge going on and it just I heard myself I was like, holy shit, dude, what are you doing? And, and I was like, wait a minute, you know what, what’s going on inside of me is what is gonna be put out there and what’s gonna echo back to me, you know, we all know the philosophy of how things work. And so it’s like, oh, well, I’m seeing all this outside of me. It must be going on inside of me. And so I started to shift it and I’m like, well just be kind. And you know, when that guy cuts me off in traffic, I’m like, Oh, you must be in a hurry. I hope he’s okay. Instead of like, what a dickhead you know, and, and, and on and on and on and throughout your day like I’ve found you know, a dozen or two dozen reasons or Two opportunities to shift from being angry or frustrated to being kind and empathic towards the people around me. And sure enough within a few days or a week or so, I started observing more and more of this I’m like, Oh, this this you know, guy helping this old lady across the street or like somebody actually let this person pull out their spot without trying to rear end them. It’s like, I just started to see all the kindness I’m like, it’s such a powerful thing. You know, just have this mantra behind or find the gratitude be grateful. And you’ll start to see it will start to come back to you and your life will actually shift because of it. So

Guy:
29:34
yeah, brilliant. Be sure to let us know what you end up doing Fleur. And we’ll be seeing you at the retreat anyway.

Matt:
29:42
That’s it.

Guy:
29:43
Okay.

Petra:
29:45
We have our birthdays together.

Guy:
29:47
Yeah, yeah. Would you be in Australia for your fortieth, Petra?

Petra:
29:52
No, my [inaudible], but it doesn’t mean we can’t celebrate, come on.

Guy:
30:04
All righty. So, Judy: “when you’re in a situation where you’ve met your stress threshold, such that your health is impacted mentally, emotionally, most days are a grind. Where do you start to get some little wins and traction to move forward? From the second week of the four weeks and let it in? It seems too much of a stretch to achieve right now. And and in the second week of let it in guys. It’s the it’s just the process of What do I want? What’s my NorthStar? What am I actually moving toward?” But I know in Judy’s case as well. You know, a lot of things are breaking down from a job to where she’s out with a with a house with a family and so forth. And it’s a case of obviously overwhelmed, I can come in which can be very difficult to then project on what it is that we want because we’ve got all this overwhelm over time?

Matt:
31:05
Yeah, it sounds like sounds like there’s a bit of like what you said overwhelm or like things are breaking down. Is that is that what’s going on? So, Somebody once said to me, like when I was going through my divorce and a lot of things that were happening in my life at the same time, as these things do, as I just didn’t break it down and, and somebody said, Well, sometimes life will dismember you, it feels like it’s dismembering you so that you can remember who you are. And, and I’ve always loved that quote, and love that phrase, because it just made so much sense. In that point. It was like, Yeah, I feel like everything’s falling apart. I’m just like, parts of me are just being dismembered and like, and then I need to bring it back together into a new form into a more aligned version of myself. And it’s like, that’s kind of, you know, sometimes that’s where we need to be and I wouldn’t put so much pressure on yourself to just know I’ve got to find North Star and I’ve got a push, you know, this is a lifelong process, where’s my North Star and it’s instant ever changing. You know, like, like any star, it moves as we move around in the stars in a different place during the time of day. And so same thing with with our lives, that North Star is always going to move depending on where we are in ourselves. And it’s sometimes it’s a matter of, oh, I’ve got to get all my gear together and get all parts of myself together. So I can actually then hold myself to look towards that North Star. So I just breathe into that, you know, and I think it leans back to that being kind and finding gratitude and nurturing yourself and in this time of transition.

Petra:
32:40
And trust, I would add trust. I mean, I’ve been also the same situation with the war, it’s my life falling apart, my body very sick. My company bankrupting and I mean, you just name it, whatever you you want, everything collapsed and that was the best thing that has And in my life, really, which I couldn’t see at that moment and I was feeling just the way you’re feeling right now. So just trust that whatever needs to fall apart, just let it fall apart and trust that something beautiful is going to grow out of this. And all you have to do is just just survive this period with trust and just keep on going day today, running from one day to the other one, in when it’s when we have periods like you’re having now it’s very hard to focus on something in the distance. Like in the far future, just go day by day by day, be grateful and trust that whatever is happening is happening for a reason and you have guide support and the community of letting support and you have asked and I mean even if you feel needed, I can give you my contact and we can have a session maybe in August one on one if that will fail. That You Might want or need. And in the meantime, just trust that whatever needs to fall apart, let’s let it go, let it go, it doesn’t serve you anymore. You’re just raising to another vibration and whatever doesn’t serve you, it’s your new vibration, the higher vibration needs to fall apart. So new things could come. Which also might mean that the old things will reassemble and be matching your new vibration but the old way of functioning needs to fall apart. Let’s put it that way.

Guy:
34:36
Can I ask you a question Petra?

Petra
34:38
Sure

Guy:
34:39
when you’re in that situation for yourself, and having to like you say surrender and let it fall apart. Did you find for yourself that there was resistance and it just got unbearable? And then once you let it go, once you let it go, did it feel like was it different to how you would imagined it before that resistance.

Petra:
35:04
I couldn’t even imagine that amount of pain and struggle, you know, it was just unbearable. It was more than anybody could imagine. And you just think that it’s it’s impossible that you that is happening, what is happening to you. But then it’s just day by day tried to see little things that you can be grateful for and that will that will help you to attract more and more things that you can be grateful for. And each day by day or week by week, there’ll be more and more positive things you can focus on positive, looking from your perspective, because even this mess that you feel it’s negative is the positive input for you if we look at it objectively. So like also, Matt said, Be grateful for whatever you can, whatever you find during the day and just being alive. Having the support of your friends or Guy or Let it in community it’s a huge thing you can be grateful for and then just find other things that you can be grateful from having a roof over your head, having a bed, having food to eat, whatever. And that’s what a lot more than a lot of people in the world have. Right. And we forget that. So yes, start being grateful and just continue trusting. Continue trusting. Everything’s okay.

Guy:
36:39
Yeah, I’ll just gonna add there was a couple of things that got me through some tough times. I’m one believer now it sounds kind of stupid. But I thought I better see it even though it was like almost , “ah should I actually say that?” was that I had this fantasy that I was going to write a book. Like, it’s actually on my on my mind movie now to write a book nothing but rewind 10 years ago when I was in a lot of debt, and I was struggling to actually pay rent and eat while I was racking up debt through stock trading, and I was in a hole in order to get out of, and I had this idea, I thought, well, this could actually make a really good book and help someone else one day. And then I used to think about well, David and Goliath, nobody would have cared if David was bigger than Goliath and just like, like flick them across like you had to come overcome this adversity to show the true strength in David and it was like this, this great tale of adventure and if you look at any tales and adventures, they there’s all we always have to overcome something within ourselves to show our true greatness and who we really are. And I thought, okay, and I started to grasp that So thinking, alright, if I am going to write a book, and maybe I need to just learn, I’m actually trying to learn from the adversity that I’m having as much as this sucks. And this is going to really turn into something wonderful. But I started to believe in that. And, and they helped me get me through as simple as it was. And I often think about there’s almost like a, there’s, there’s a larger part of my aspect now that I often think that’s trying to show me and guide me to a way to to, for me to learn while I’m having this human experience, that’s where I that’s where I believe now. And everything that comes my way is another way to learn and initiation to overcome something and I’m in the school of life. And by having that framework and thinking for me now, it really helps me start to deal with the, the problems that can come and adverse, you know, because we all feel pain. We all feel fear we all feel hurt. Same way, we just have different things signalling it for us to make us feel that way. At the end of the day, but yeah, anyway, just wanted to say that.

39:17
couple of questions left, guys, so Louise asks, I hope that helps, Judy.
“How do you genuinely and wholeheartedly release attachment and still hustle for business and outcomes?” lots of laughs and the way I interpreted as well is literally how can you How can you surrender to something that you actually want? Like, oh my god, you know, I’ve got so much riding on this and let it go at the same time.

Guy
39:58
Anyone?

40:00
Petra:
It’s a process, it’s a process Louise. Yeah, you just keep doing the work until you reach a stage where you just know it’s happening, and you don’t doubt it anymore. It’s… I mean… It took me quite a long time to push through it and find the right way. But actually it’s… keep on practicing, keep on working on it. Until something really switches and your really start leading like it already happened. And you just… it’s just about materials in your life and you don’t doubt it anymore. And that way, you don’t, there’s no need for attachment because you already feel whole. You already feel like you have it. But it requires work and practice and investing time and energy. I mean, that’s my experience. I don’t know how it is with you guys, but I had that struggle for quite a long time and finally I’m out of it. And now I actually know and trust. It’s there, I don’t feel the longing anymore. For anything, because by now whatever that needs to happen is going to happen and that universal god loves me and I’m taken care of. What about you two?

Guy:
41:25
Matt?

Matt:
41:27
Ah I was just going to say, you beat me to it man. No, it’s an interesting question. I like it, and I think they, I don’t know, it’s almost as if I, It’s almost like I when is something that’s aligned with my heart that’s like it’s not, it attachment to it and having to get it done or having to make it happen kind of falls away ’cause there’s many, as many things that I’ve like oh I want to do that I want to create that and then I start to go for it and it evolves into something else and then I have a different vantage point as I’m moving towards it and it actually becomes something else that I wanted. the reality of what it is that I want to try is the essence of what it is and the feeling tone that it brings me and so I just keep doing things that create that feeling in myself and eventually these things start to manifest instead of being attached to a certain outcome and having to push toys something ’cause I feel like that’s more of an ego driven kind of place in myself and I kind of you know I’m building this octagon space in the backyard with all these recycled Timbers and and just an idea and now it’s become this massive project and actually coming towards the end of it and I’m like I really don’t want to finish this so much fun building it and then just like this meditation just being down there and it feels good it’s fun it’s like I find different ways to do things and new ideas, and it evolves and it grows and it’s like wow this is I’m just leaving I’m just experiencing this is so exciting and I don’t know what it’s going to become like this is cool I just made today and someone is going to be something different it’s like I know that kind of the passing desire peace movie I don’t have to push and drive myself and I’m not attached to the outcome so much that’s why I could answer that. What’s your take there, big guy?

Guy:
43:34
Yeah I’m thinking ’cause even though I’ve told myself I’m going to do this and I’m not attached, when I’m in it raises its ugly head and it’s like, how do I surrender to this? it’s often when something means so much to us this like so much to us, and I think it starts to show, it quite often shows that we care a lot as well. but I tried to treat it almost like a game to agree now and just have fun with it and tried to come from a place of making the decisions but they’re really congruent with what it is we deeply value and where we’re moving towards ’cause as we do that remember I remember doing my first Let It In workshop and I didn’t charge and I drove to the sunshine course there’s a 2 hour workshop and I remember thinking like I just wanted it to be everything you know and I’m like an I stuffed it up so badly in so many ways but at the same time I was telling myself look at five people there and I end up just sitting down putting my you know like this so it’s a win like at least some initiated I’m taking action and in line with what it is I’m trying to figure out and allow it to come through me more you know and and I was grappling with it the whole time remember being so nervous and so like Oh my God guys gonna think I’ve lost the plot. Even the guy that put me on that didn’t even present the message they had no idea what they were in for this locked up. it was like I was up against it from the get go but at the same time it was it was a brilliant experience and other and I was so grateful for that and I remember driving away thinking wow that could have gone better so it’s like OK and then and then I just approach, I continue to move on and that’s how I always do things and I think if we can look at it as more of a way of, I don’t know, as part of a journey as opposed to the destination and just trying to find the humor in it, the fun in it all. And maybe even laugh at yourself a little bit with it, it becomes it becomes much, you see it from a different place and that’s where I think that energy starts to flow more, and have fun with the people that you interact with him come along on that process, of that journey. Yeah.

“Why is my ability to drop in to meditations actually getting harder and harder?” We kinda tested this in the start, this is Louise as well. “After two years of consistent daily meditation practice, Like should I meditate more for longer durations should I vary my meditation style? should I take a break???” I think just add some context into that question, I know Louise is going through a transition with her business and moving into a different aspect so I think those things where we start to come up against ourselves more. Anyone?

Petra:
47:17
I would say
I would say so don’t make a break you have to keep on doing what you’re doing yes types of meditations I just choose whatever meditation feels right for you that particular day and know that sometimes you might need to which also relates first question with sometimes you might need to sit even twice or three times a day in meditation something is coming up here just sit down ship location raise managing anyway that guides teaching you to do and I’m just gonna ship it now and if it’s needed I’m going to do it again in the evening and then you’ll see in few days it will ship just don’t give up and just now it’s it’s a normal process if we all go through and even today I had periods when I had to sit down twice or three times a day I’m going through a challenging period of my life here to learn and grow I mean better than you guys so when we’re doing the same work with less you’re doing and we just stop running and not giving up and I can tell you from my experience it’s really worth it do invest in time for yourself it’s really worth it just just keep on doing the work. Alright, now Guy can tell you more. Or not!

Matt:
49:08

Great, it it’s a it’s absolutely just doing the work at as you’re talking it kind of occurred to me though also it’s like you know in the question Louise was saying, you know how come you know after it was a year and a half of practice whatever is getting harder for me to sit down and it’s like oh I just let go of that timeline. We tend to look at it like I said I should be good at this I’ve been doing it for so long it’s like well you know just today right now I said showed up hard you know and then then let that go and then tomorrow it’s like OK I’m here now and it’s like, if you take the timeline out of the picture and you just be where you are right now and experience it as just that moment then this whole idea of like oh it was harder than easier now or whatever kind of falls away and also you don’t really remember we are masters at denial and I bet if you could take yourself back to that very first few weeks when you started meditating, you would have been in some major resistance and some major pain but you probably forgot about how that felt at this point because you’re so well versed at it and you get up and you said sometimes that are easy sometimes it’s hard it’s like the patch coming up against that new place of resistance right now today is hard. Tomorrow I don’t know, we’ll see.

Guy:
50:30
Well, the last thing I would add to that I often think when this is happening we’re two feet from gold and we shouldn’t stop mining. And I think the more we do the work and the more reveals what is that we allowed to come through us and I know you Louise, that’s you 100%. I think there’s more [inaudible] and it’s like the resistance gets greater and greater and then you’ll overcome and then another breakthrough and then it will start again. And on it goes. Just a little bit more wisdom and knowledge than last time.

Matt:
51:22
Unless you come to a retreat and then it’s all good.

Guy:
51:28
Just shake the tree a bit more. That’s for sure. Yeah. Beautiful. Any final words guys? That’s all the questions, it’s nine o’clock, we’re on time.

Petra:
51:39
Perfect. Just keep on doing work, that’s it. And trust. That’s all I wanted to say. Just trust. Everything is happening the way it should be.

Matt:
51:53
And you’ve got an angel over your shoulder there right Petra? Two, two. Right behind you.

Petra:
52:01
Yup, always. never alone. Never alone.

Guy:
52:07
Totally. And guys, if any of these questions resonate, feel free to you know, start a conversation around them in the forum as well. Okay? And leverage the community you know? Cause everyone has been in there you know if people are put in, I see it time and time again you know I know there’s s lot of support in there as well. And be sure to tag us as well. Alright, beautiful. thanks guys I appreciate you coming out and sharing this space tonight and we will be together in a few weeks anyway.

Matt:
52:40
Ah yes, I can’t wait.

Petra:
52:42
Me too.

Guys:
52:44
Awesome. Thank you guys!