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Sri:
The crux of every problem in the world, the solution to it would be humanity’s consciousness itself. Only 81, 000 people living in these powerful states of consciousness. Every time you experience a suffering state and live life from that state of suffering, it is a wasted life. Every human being lives only in two states, either a state of suffering or a state of no suffering.

You can’t experience a crowded, chaotic inner state and believe that you can create anything

Guy:
Guy here. My beautiful guest today is Sri. And she is one of the co founders of ICAM, which is a center for enlightenment in India. And this was a beautiful conversation and she’s an incredible human being. And it was a privilege to have her on the podcast today. If you’re in Australia, she’s coming to Australia in March, and I wanted to, of course, help promote this kind of work and let people know what’s available.

We have some beautiful conversations, including what would happen if 81, 000 people on this planet right now, Really were awakened and what that could do to humanity and that is their mission and we dive into it amongst many other things Around the topics that we love to have on here. Be sure if you’re watching on YouTube Let me know what you think of the conversation and where you are in the world It’s always great connecting with you all and yeah if you’re Wanting to come and join us somewhere in the world.

We’ll be in bali croatia australia running our five day retreats as well Anyway links up below for Sri Preethaji You And ourselves as well. Much love. Get amongst it. See you soon.

Guy:
Sri Preethaji. Welcome to the podcast. And I certainly hope I pronounced your name correctly. I do apologize.

Sri:
No, it is perfect. Namaste, guy. It’s so beautiful to be speaking with you today.

Guy:
Yes, likewise, likewise, a friend of mine introduced us to you to come on the podcast. And I was looking into your background. I had honestly, I hadn’t heard of you before. And the moment I laid eyes, uh, on your temple in Ekam, I believe it is called, my jaw, my jaw hit the floor. I could not believe what was being presented to me.

And I feel the first question I want to ask you before anything else, if you could just explain where, what Ekam is, the temple, and where did it evolve from? Because it really is. Unbelievable, truly.

Sri:
So Ekam, um, Ekam, the word, uh, Ekam is a Sanskrit word and, uh, it means oneness. It refers to the highest possible enlightened state that we as human beings can experience with this body and with this brain. In the realm of consciousness, it is the highest experience that is possible for a human being. That is why it is Aekam. So it is, it has a lot of science behind it. It has a lot of very powerful, sacred intention with which it’s brought to life. And it serves as a place when people enter into that space and sit quietly. What people experience is a very powerful states in consciousness. People experience very powerful connection and experience of togetherness. They go beyond one’s body, one’s mind, uh, one’s experience of separation to experiencing very powerful states of oneness, of, uh, experiencing that you are the universe or, uh, your sense of self is expanded to include everything else in the, in life. And when people do have such powerful experiences and then they get back to life and then, uh, you know, the noise, the experience of the inner noise.

The separation, the judgment, it is so easy, uh, for it to fall off. And, um, it is possible for people to experience connection in their life. The vision that Sri Krishnaji and I have for the entire humanity is for them to live in these powerful states of consciousness. And we believe that for every crisis that the world is seeing right now, whether it is the climate crisis, or the environmental crisis, or the breakdown of families.

Or even the young people being depressed, whatever the crisis that the world is seeing. We see the root of all these crises human beings consciousness. And, uh, the more one is living in separation, the more one is living in stress, the more one is living in suffering. Externally, the world is seeing more of a breakdown rather than a recovery.

A harmony. So if we are able to shift humanity’s consciousness from that of separation and conflict and division to experiencing connection, um, peace and oneness, then there would be a phase transition in humanity’s consciousness itself. We’re working on basically 81, 000 people living in these powerful states of consciousness, thereby shifting humanity’s consciousness from separation to connection.

And we believe the crux of every problem in the world, the solution to it would be humanity’s consciousness itself. And that is why EKAM is part of the huge ecosystem that we have created. EKAM is part of, uh, this ecosystem, uh, of helping, you know, holding people, helping them move into these powerful states of consciousness.

And that is why

Guy:
Absolutely beautiful. It reminds me of my own journey because for a large part of my life I lived in separation and that feeling of disconnect and I had my own experiences about 15 years ago about the oneness you speak of. This is why I’m so passionate about podcasting today and being able to have conversations and normalize these conversations too.

And. Put these conversations out there for people that want to listen to them. And this is why I’m so passionate and from what you just shared. And there’s a couple of questions that come in for me, because I’d love to get into your own journey as well in a moment. But do you believe for humanity at this point then, is there like a collective tipping point that would happen?

I hear different people speak of it in different ways, but if we’re more of us start to really look at this work that you present and other people’s present and we start to realize that we are part of something far more greater than just our day to day life and problems that are presented to us.

Sri:
Absolutely, uh, just like how a lake, uh, in winter freezes one droplet after another droplet. And then it’s a very slow process actually to begin with. And each droplet becoming ice. But then after a particular number of droplets have converted from water to ice, then all of a sudden you see the lake becoming a sheet of ice. So it is pretty similarly that, I mean, the way we are doing it is like one individual after another individual helping them move into these powerful states of consciousness. What we believe with what revelations that we have had is there would be a sudden shift in humanity’s consciousness. And we are working towards 81, 000 people living in this profound state.

It is basically 0. 0.001 percent of humanity’s population today. And we believe in this many people can live and the impact of it can be reached through consciousness because in, in, in consciousness, we are not really separate. The separation is that which is brought about by the mind, the suffering mind, the separation driven mind.

But in, in consciousness, we are not truly separate and we are a connected human being. We are a connected consciousness. So what happens to one will impact the other. So it is like, it’s like your state is your state and I live in this state. No, especially in a family. We have seen, we work with families a lot.

We work with families with young children and they, they actually begin to impact the lives of the families, their friends. They’re colleagues. They feel so nice being with them. They, they nurture a beautiful connection. They, there’s so much of peace and harmony in their experience of life. And it’s, it’s, it spreads.

It is not contained within one individual alone. And in the realm of consciousness, we’re all connected. And the more you’re able to experience connection, the impact that you can bring to life is so beautiful.

Guy:
Wow, I never heard it like that. So what you’re saying is, is that 81, 000 people, if we’re able to hold these states, is that then when you say hold these states, is that literally living from this place and we move through the world differently.

Sri:
What Krishnaji and I say, both of us say it is, you know, if you look at the world, how they’re living, or if you take a human being, how they’re living with their lives, it is like the largest part of their life feeling separate, caught up in the illusion of the mind, feeling of separation and all that. And, um, and this state, this experience itself brews more suffering, more separation.

It is like a loop that you are caught in, but when you are able to step out of it, see, even 60 percent of the time or 70 percent of the time, if you’re able to shift and experience that connection and that oneness, that’s, that’s like an incredible, uh, space to be in. And, uh, when you are in that space, you, you, your presence, the energy that you vibrate with the experience that you’re able to share.

It is like. Going faster than this, just one human being, it’s like including others, whether it is nature or people or life or whatever it is. And, uh, we, we, right now we say if it’s 90 percent of the time or 95 percent of the time you’re living in separation. If that can shift and experience greater oneness or connection of being totally present to life.

That’ll bring about a huge change in the lives of people around you.

Guy:
Beautiful. Is this state of being accessible to everybody if they choose to?

Sri:
Absolutely, yes. See, we lead people on a path. I was sharing with somebody. I said, we hand hold people. It is like, um, you know, even if the person, I mean, has never been spiritual, has never had a learning or never meditated before, we hold those people. But, you know, Most of them continue, continue, continue until experiencing total freedom and total liberation.

We help people move out of suffering, get into beautiful states of being, experiencing calm, love, joy, connection, peace. And then we also push them into experiencing the transcendental. Experiencing the divine, experiencing, uh, the transcendental dimension, going beyond just the matter. And then we also push them into walk out of suffering, uh, living free of suffering, living in a state of unperturbed calm, irrespective of life situations, and experiencing states of oneness.

So it is a journey. And the more you are in states of oneness, so easy for you to access beautiful states when you are in life, when you, you know, when you have experiences and when you have the wisdom to support this entire experience of remaining in this place of calm and quiet, when you are dealing with life and there is disturbance over there.

You get back to the state again and respond to life from that state. And we believe that life should be lived from that state. Because when you are in states of suffering and when you respond to life from those states of suffering, what we have seen is you kind of actually are contributing to more confusion and more chaos.

So it is the, the path that we have set for the seekers is People who want to take baby steps, they take the baby steps, they take it in their own, um, pace. But people, I, I’ve also have had people who are like, you know, kind of go all in and, uh, move, uh, learn about suffering, how to stop suffering, how to experience freedom, liberation and experience oneness.

So it is like, I would say we hold hands from, you know, from the first grade to take them all the way up to PhD, if you want to kind of put it in a perspective. So we

Guy:
Yeah, absolutely It’s interesting, isn’t it? Because like look I can only reflect on my own journey, but I had to suffer for a long time within myself before I really felt like I had to ask is there more and really start to lean into a different direction Do you feel that what’s going on in the world right now that?

Most people are waiting until that suffering, until the pain is so great it’s pushing them into this work.

Sri:
Have people of all kinds. I mean, actually, on the campus, we also hold young youth, youth who are like wanting to live a different life. It’s not that they have been suffering and then they’ve asked this question, what is about life? There is a beautiful vision that is getting built along with Uh, all that we do a vision to live life from a beautiful state because every time you experience a suffering state and live life from that state of suffering, it is a wasted life, and it’s not that you need to suffer like so many years in order to have that powerful awakening and consciousness.

We have young people. Actually, we run programs, uh, Many programs the longest one is like a 42 day program and the youngest one in that 42 day program We don’t take anybody below 16 they have to be at least 16 years old but there was this young girl who was like a 13 year old and She had her entire family go through this journey and she was like, why not me?

I want to kind of start off life from a very beautiful place So we have young people, we have people who are like getting married, uh, like, you know, they’re very clear. They want to kind of start their life from a very beautiful state in consciousness because they know that being in suffering is not actually conducive for love, for togetherness, for connection.

So they come, they go through this journey of tapas, young people, you know, wanting to discover life or wanting to discover a path or wanting to discover their purpose or even coming together as a family. families as for getting married. We have all these kind of people from different walks of life, different culture, different religion, different parts of the world come for this journey because a beautiful vision is set in them to live a life free of suffering.

Earlier days spirituality was for very few people like, you know, um, for those few seekers. Probably had an experience or who are in deep dipped in crisis and they’ve asked more questions But today what we are seeing is that that that scenario is changing And people are asking those questions even before anything really hits them, you know Wanting to know more about life.

Is there a greater purpose a greater meaning? What is life? Uh, should I suffer should I not suffer? Is there a different experience possible? part of it is The entire outlook around life is changing on the outer world and other part of it people who get exposed to us are Beginning to hold a beautiful spiritual vision for their inner state and they don’t want to live their life in suffering They don’t want to live their life in stress because stress suffering is hurting, hurting you physically.

It is hurting you mentally It is hurting your life. It is hurting your relationships. It’s You It’s not actually helping you in any way. So to experience freedom from suffering, to get back to life by living in beautiful states is the, of course, the actual vision is for you to be enlightened, uh, to become free of suffering totally and completely, to live in a state of unperturbed calm.

But people hold on to living in a beautiful state as a spiritual vision that they want to live their life.

Guy:
Beautiful. How would we, or how would you describe being enlightened, what it means to be enlightened? I think that’s a word that’s heard a lot but not fully understood.

Sri:
For us, enlightenment. People have enlightenment experiences, a very powerful state in consciousness of oneness, of powerful connection, of being in the present moment, being the witness, experiencing bliss. These are very powerful enlightened states. For us, enlightenment, of course, it’s incredibly great to have these powerful states in consciousness because it changes your brain, it changes your chemistry.

Changes the connection that is there for us. Enlightenment is a total cessation of suffering. And every, every root that perpetuates suffering should be weeded out of your consciousness. It is liberation. It is freedom. It is not being bound. It is not being caught up in a whirlpool of a particular kind of thinking that perpetuates separation, but actually living life, being totally present, where there is internally a great calm judgments.

Guy:
I mean, it’s, it’s like a thought arising and ceasing. You’re not holding onto it. You’re not fueling it. You’re not trying to make it grow, nothing. So uh, Enlightenment is that state in consciousness where you experience total freedom internally. this might seem like a silly question, but I’m again thinking on my own kind of journey. And I’m thinking of the listeners right now as well. Because a lot of fear came up for me as I was starting to shift and change. It was like I was unraveling and I didn’t know what to do with that. And I feel that.

Maybe it’s easy to lean into the fear and hold on to what we have as opposed to surrendering to a beautiful process and allowing ourselves to flower or bloom or our true selves start to come through. I was wondering if you would speak to that a little bit because it’s something I feel comes up a lot for people.

Sri:
The of unknown is, uh, is part of the mind’s conditioning. That’s why the, the path is very important and, uh, people feel held, people feel supported. There is so much of light that is thrown on the freedom, so much of light that is thrown on the mechanism of the mind that tries to hold on to, because, uh, it feels like a psychological death. Uh, but you are just dying to experience something incredibly beautiful, an experience of vastness.

What is dying is an illusion, an illusion that is worked very hard to keep itself being felt or being alive. And, uh, when, when you go beyond that illusion of a separate self, what you experience is incredible one. So to be fearful of the unknown is the activity of the mind and to become aware of that activity of the mind.

To give in and allow yourself to let go and to surrender to the process will lead you up to a vaster experience of life itself, a very beautiful experience.

Yeah, beautiful. What do you feel from your experience, for some reason it’s just coming in, is to talk about death for a moment. What happens to us once our physical life ends? If I have to take from Hinduism, death is considered to be, they use a word called Mahaprayanam, that is Means, literally means a great journey. So, it is the human mind that constantly separates the good and the bad, the should be and the should not be, the right and the wrong, birth as being auspicious and death as being not so auspicious.

No, every experience of life is sacred, birth is sacred, death is sacred. That is why, uh, when, uh, not now, when ancient Hindu babies were born. When they were, uh, welcome, they were welcome saying, welcome to this life. There you have, it’s a, a brief journey over here, and then you get back to the vast life where you start your great journey. It is Mahaprayanam, that is, it is not the end of anything. It is the beginning of a great journey. Nothing ends in this universe. Nothing stops. It just transforms from one form to another form.

Guy:
yeah.

Sri:
So, uh, to believe death as being the end of everything is, uh, very limited. experience or limited perspective, but to see it as the beginning of a great journey is how Hindu, ancient Hinduism has described

Guy:
Yeah, thank you. And I’m curious as well to know about your journey a little bit, if that’s okay.

Sri:
death. Yeah, sure. Absolutely.

Guy:
Were you connected to this, to this oneness, to feel it the whole time and that’s how you’ve known your life? Or was there a moment of shift and change in your life? I’m curious.

Sri:
There are many, many experiences I would say, um, to begin with, I wouldn’t say an experience, but a realization that, um, People around me were experiencing life very differently from the way I was experiencing in terms of the connection that I had with people, the family. That was the part of like a very young realization when I was a little child.

But major experiences of these states happened when I was 17 years old. Um, states beyond, uh, beyond thoughts. sometimes beyond judgments, experiences where there is no self, experiences of inner quiet experiences, where there is no noise of the mind. So these experiences started when I was 17 and it continued with, um, um, after having met Shri Krishnaji, uh, I mean, after having been married to Shri Krishnaji, not met, we met for a very long time.

So after being married to Shri Krishnaji. It continues and our vision to help people. live in these states and vision to actually show when life lived in these states is very simple. It is not as complicated or complex. It is simple. It is powerful. It is impactful. And that’s why we share whatever we’re doing right now.

We share our experiences. We share the wisdom. We lead them through journeys. We lead them through powerful processes, actually leading them on this path spirituality It’s just not limited to a very few people. Spirituality is to get into the homes of people so that they can experience greater love in their families, so that people can experience greater, um, greater meaning in the work that they’re doing, a greater efficiency in whatever they’re doing in life.

Spirituality should not be like a far remote experience. It has to get integrated into life and that is what we believe in and that is what we teach. How to live in these powerful states of consciousness while you’re actually relating in your family, while you’re actually at work, while you’re trying to be a part of your community, how to create that impact.

Guy:
Yeah, beautiful. What point did you then decide to start to get this message out? Because the momentum that you’re getting and what you’re doing is honestly remarkable. It truly is. And I’m always intrigued on to hear from people’s journeys. And I know the listeners are as well. Because when we make decisions like this to really invest in beyond ourselves in such a grand vision.

It’s extremely,

Sri:
I think, uh, Shri Krishnaji and me together have been an incredible team, and, um, I think we support each other in terms of building the vision, we support each other in terms of, you know, actually being able to put it to action and get it across, um, Uh, going beyond all boundaries, actually, to say that, you know, I traveled so much.

Both of us, like, we’ve been impacting life from many different countries. I think the team that we are, I think, is very special. And to, uh, kind of support each other, to have the vision very clear, and, uh, to draw this entire path for humanity to wherever they are. to kind of help them from wherever they are.

The vision is very clear. Where one is to reach is very clear. And how to support people wherever they are, in whichever state they are, and to lead them up to these powerful experiences is very clear. I think the team that we are, the husband, we are a couple, but still we share a very beautiful spiritual vision.

For the relationship itself, and also a very beautiful vision for the community and the people whom we touch.

Guy:
yeah, yeah, beautiful. One other topic I wanted to unpack as well, if that’s okay, when doing some research before, and I thought to speak to these four points would be actually really helpful for us all, because you, I know you wrote the book, The Four Sacred Secrets, and I wondered if you wouldn’t mind just breaking down just a little bit those Those four steps that you speak of.

Sri:
mean, very recently we were in Japan doing the book launch.

Guy:
Oh.

Sri:
the Japanese book, uh, didn’t come out until now, for some reason. We have this book in many, many languages, but the last of it was the Japanese book just last month. So the four sacred secrets, uh, the first sacred secret is holding a spiritual vision. To, uh, live free. of stress to live in a beautiful state. That is you have all the, probably you have a vision for the external life, uh, in terms of the wealth, the health, the people who you want to relate with. But we want you to start off with this spiritual vision, which is a vision for your inner state to get out of stress and suffering, any form of it to get into beautiful states of consciousness. The second vision is the, sorry, the second spiritual, uh, secret is the practice of observation and awareness. Shri Krishnaji says a very beautiful insight he shares with the world. Shri Krishnaji says, every human being lives only in two states. either a state of suffering or a state of no suffering to make it very palpable to you, a state of stress or a beautiful state.

And there is no third state. So your entire experience of life is determined by the state that you are in. That is what is the state you’re constantly nurturing. Are you someone who’s going to push yourself into sadness? into anger, into fear, into loneliness. Are you somebody who’s going to very positively nurture a beautiful state and consciousness of calm, love, joy, and connection?

So the second sacred secret allows you to, or shows you the path of awareness and observation to move to a state free of suffering, to nurture a beautiful state and consciousness. The third is, the third sacred secret is experiencing the universal intelligence. To go beyond, uh, uh, feeling, uh, or to experiencing the vaster intelligence of the universe.

You can call it God, you can call it divine. And it is possible for every one of us to have this powerful connection with the divine, with the universal intelligence. The entire universe is sacred. It is embedded with the sacredness of the divine. And to push oneself into experiencing A connection with the vaster intelligence of the universe.

Is the third sacred secret. And the fourth sacred secret is in order to build a very beautiful external life, it is important that an individual performs right action. And we call it spiritual right action because it is not an action That follows a code, a social code, an ethical code, or a moral code or religious code.

No. It is a right action that follows a very beautiful inner state. What we have seen is when you are in this beautiful inner state and when you perform action, it is an action that is coming from a place of connection and those actions. are the right actions. We’re not giving you another set of code that you need to follow.

You need to do this. You don’t need to do this or, uh, just holding onto something that has been passed on for generations. No, we want you to follow your state of being, your inner experience. Actions are right when your state is beautiful and actions become destructive, disharmonious, becomes chaotic when your inner state is stressful or in suffering.

So these are, I mean, very briefly, I kind of introduced to the four sacred secrets and it’s a very powerful book that allows you to actually put your spiritual experiences into life, into creating a nourishing, nurturing relationship between, um, between say a parent and a child or between partners. It is like kind of you being able to nurture beautiful states in your relationship.

You’re bringing efficiency at work. What are the impact that you can create? to nurture one’s beautiful state, uh, to hold a spiritual vision, to, uh, dissolve suffering as it arises, to experience a powerful connection with the divine and to perform right actions, not once, but consistently, because that is when you’re creating or sculpting a very beautiful destiny for yourself and your loved ones.

Guy:
Yeah. It’s, it’s when I was hearing you speak then I, the word triggers came to mind thinking, you know, of when we hold a spiritual state, if, but people, we get easily triggered by other things and many things that can happen that take us out of it. I was wondering, would you speak to triggers a little bit?

Because I find it’s a big part of this journey.

Sri:
Absolutely. Because, uh, that’s why I said it is about consistently getting back to a beautiful state. That is, every time suffering arises, every time stress arises, if you’re just trying to run away from it, or trying to replace it with something beautiful, or if you’re trying to hold positive thinking, or you’re holding on to a philosophical idea, that is not going to help anybody.

That is, what is needed at that time. Especially when you are, say, having a conversation with your adolescent child and you are triggered with anger, it is important that you are able to bring attention to that anger. You need to do the practice of awareness. For that, actually, we, we leave, people with a very simple practice.

It is called the serene mind practice. It’s available, and we can also share the link on the podcast. Serene mind practice is a very simple practice, but what it does is neurologically, the And the connection that is there in your brain is changing as you’re bringing the practice, as you’re bringing awareness, and you’re activating a different region in your brain, especially when you are in stress or suffering, it is the amygdala or the hippocampus that is activated.

So the serine main practice is both mystical as well as scientific. It changes the activation from the amygdala and the hippocampus to the medial prefrontal cortex. the region in your brain that is responsible for greater calm, a quiet, a connection. So, so every time one moves into a stressful state. It is important.

I’m not going to say that, you know, you have a bad experience and you should be happy. Yes, if you have a bad experience and you are capable of being happy, that’s the greatest thing, but not everybody is there. If you are having a bad experience, you’re pushed into suffering state. You should not hide it under the carpet, nor run away from it, nor move into addictions, nor get into pleasure seeking.

You can have pleasures of life, but it should not be an escape from suffering. So what you need to do when you are internally in that state of suffering is you need to bring attention to it and you need to observe it. And the serene mind practice, it’s a three minute practice. It exactly allows you to bring your total attention to that experience.

Guy:
No, it makes sense. Thank you. And I have a loop I’d like to close as well, if that’s okay, because there’s a question. When you spoke of spiritual vision, and then you mentioned, you know, we have vision for the physical and material and different things, and your belief is to have the spiritual vision first.

So am I right in thinking that if we start to visualize ourselves wanting to embody these spiritual practices and spiritual states, then that becomes the essence that we take into all the very other things that we are wanting to have in our lives and live in, but we come in from a different vantage point.

Would that be fair to say?

Sri:
didn’t get you.

Guy:
So, so once that we’re focusing on the spiritual vision instead of the material or the physical visions of things that we

Sri:
No, I’m not saying we don’t, I’m not saying that we don’t need to focus externally. What I’m trying to tell is, say you are, you’re having a vision to be a good parent. Okay. The question is from what state you want to parent. You want to be a stressed out parent who’s constantly worrying, constantly in anger, or do you want to be experiencing this entire process of parenting from a beautiful state of connection?

Yes. Yes. Say you want to go out and achieve. You want to be a stressed out achiever or a fulfilled achiever. See, we always think that you will become happy one fine day when you say you have achieved so much or when you have created so much of wealth or when you’ve created so much of fame, whatever. But please know that one fine day never comes because you’re training yourself to remain in stress and anxiety and fear and worry in the entire process.

So your internal, uh, wiring that is happening or the in. The tuning that is happening internally towards stress, towards being unfulfilled, worry and sadness is not going to change the day you’re going to become successful because you have created a different inner environment. So what I’m saying is, if you are able to create a vision for your inner state. And you are able to get back to states free of suffering, become calm and quiet. You’re calm and quiet when you are in beautiful states. Life feels very simple. And you’re not clouded. Uh, the decisions become easy. It’s not chaotic right now. In a suffering state, everything feels jumbled up, but it kind of weans and disentangles when you’re in a beautiful state.

It is like becoming an efficient human being. And from that state, when you set out to being a beautiful partner or wonderful parent or a great achiever, it is very easy and efficient for you to do it. You can’t experience, uh, a crowded chaotic inner state and believe that you can create anything externally very beautiful. They both don’t go together.

Guy:
Yeah. No, it makes complete sense. Thank you. It’s interesting because I’m, I’m a parent of two children. I have, uh, my son is just turned 13 months and my daughter’s, uh, four and a half.

Sri:
Oh, beautiful.

Guy:
And, I, I tell people they’re definitely my greatest teachers right now, without a doubt. It’s, it’s quite incredible.

Okay. If you see me or hearing my voice right now, you might be wondering what happened to the interview. Well, her internet dropped out. And what we decided to do is due to the fact that she’s coming to Australia, instead of trying to reschedule it many months into the future was literally running live where we had most of the conversation on there.

And of course, if you want to check out her event in March, links are below. And of course, if you want to come and join us at one of our retreats later in the year, links below as well, Bali, Croatia, Australia. Yeah. Anyway, hope you enjoyed, much love from me and see you soon.