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Guy:                      Hi, my name is Guy Lawrence. And thanks for tuning into my podcast today. If you’re enjoying these conversations and you want to check out more of this transformational work, be sure to come back to guylawrence.com.au and join me as we go further down the rabbit hole. Enjoy the show.

Guy:                      Theresa, welcome to the podcast.

Dr. Theresa:        Thank you. It’s a pleasure to be here Guy.

Guy:                      I love kicking off the show and asking and I’m sure you travel a lot. So if you were sitting on an airplane next to a stranger and they asked you what you did for a living, what would you tell them?

Dr. Theresa:        That’s always an interesting question for me because I do many things. Um, but I travel around the world these days teaching, uh, personal development, but more with a spiritual context using universal, ancient wisdom teachings. So I teach Kabbalah, I teach personal alchemy, which is our journey of transformation. And I work with the modern mystery school that is a lineage of passing down these ancient wisdoms and tools of empowerment to help us really make the most of our lives and achieve our greater potential.

Guy:                      Yeah. What’s the typical response when you say something like that?

Dr. Theresa:        Well, that’s going to be really unique and new. Like, you know, they might be like, Whoa, wow, tell me more. How does that work? And, you know, or they might not resonate with it all. It just really depends on the person who’s next to me, you know? But I tend to also just be happy to read my book or I know I fly on a lot of planes, so yeah. But I’ve had some really long conversations with a couple people. Um, you know, when they really want to engage, you can have a, a long flight and get into deep conversation and you know, is it, is it kinda like a, you know, they might refer to some of the books like, um, you know, power versus force or, uh, four agreements or you know, some of these books that are a little more mainstream. But that are opening people up to the idea of the power of our will, the power of our mind and our consciousness and how to, uh, you know, start to align with higher choices to make success. You know, it’s all ultimately geared towards success in life.

Guy:                      Absolutely. Yeah. And for me, there’s been so much mystery around this, these, this work for so long as well, you know, and, but as, as I found, I started to have experiences and really start to lean in and I guess learn from embodying those experiences, not just necessarily from a book, then it all started to make sense. And then it’s like, that’s,

Dr. Theresa:        that’s where the big difference comes in is when we actually have an experience of it. You know, it’s one thing to just have it as a concept and to think of it and they’re like, Oh, that sounds nice, you know, but it’s just sort of out there. But when we really have an experience of it and we start working with the practices and the tools, and then we directly are, have our own insights and, and, and can relate to the types of things they’re talking about in the book, then we really start to own it and open up our eyes and integrate and see the, Oh, wow, there really is more here and I got to pursue this further. Right.

Guy:                      Yeah. It becomes, it becomes quite addictive actually. And just in the learnings and teachings and, and continuing to evolve. Like it’s, I mean, I love it. I mean hence why I’m doing all this in the podcast and everything, but I got to ask you to read it. I’m always fascinated what led you to teach in this work so passionately because there’s always a tipping point, I’m guessing.

Dr. Theresa:        Yeah. My tipping point came, I guess for me it was around 25 years old and I guess I was lucky that it was fairly early on in my journey. Um, so I grew up number one with a fairly, uh, very open-minded family. My parents had a, a different kind of spirituality than the mainstream. And, um, so I was encouraged to just explore. I was given a lot of freedom to explore and make up my own mind about what I believed in things and philosophically, spiritually, religiously, and at a personal level. Religion didn’t resonate like it just, um, I mean I thought that there is virtues and good teachings out of all of the different religious traditions I explored. Um, but there was also vices. There’s also hypocrisy is there was inconsistencies and I found that, um, the dogmas, you know, just didn’t work for me.

Dr. Theresa:        So I, um, I kind of shied away from it and I got very much into academia and physics. And so I ended up ultimately getting my PhD in physics and got very heavily trained into that scientific way of thinking. That’s very S, you know, skeptical and you have to prove it and if you’re going to make claims then you have to have substance to back it up with. And, uh, it’s very practical thinking and, and discerning. And, um, when I was in graduate school, after about my first year, I was, I was immersed into 80 hours a week of left brain physics activity, you know, between classwork and research and tests and you know, all homework, all of it. And so 80 hours a week of just left brain. And after a year of that, I was finding myself very out of balance. Prior to that, I’d had a lot of diversity.

Dr. Theresa:        I’d had, you know, I was a more liberal arts type of university and um, had sports and a lot of creative hobbies and so forth. And then all of a sudden all I had was physics. And so after a year I found myself really unbalanced. I’m not happy finding myself getting into depression and things were just, it was spilling over into all these other areas of my life. And I realized like, why, why am I even doing this? I’m not even sure really what I want to do with this PhD. And now I’m realizing that it’s coming at the expense of my happiness and my wellbeing and I, something’s got to shift. Cause I’m not gonna, I’m not going to keep it up at this pace. And so I started to search for what’s going to balance into my life and, and joy. And, um, so I brought in all the other aspects of life that I had previously. You know, like a scientist would have very systematically brought one by one by one to try and figure out what’s the key, you know, and, um, you know, I brought in social time again and I brought in creative hobbies again. I brought in athletics again and um, you know, I had a good relationship and so I brought it all these elements back in and another year later I was feeling better, more balanced, but still not happy. Like there’s still something core to my sense of meaning and

Dr. Theresa:        joy purpose. And I went in, I was still thinking about it and I was at the gym one day and the, um, while I was doing some sit ups and I was thinking about the back of my head, there’s this little voice that said, well, there’s still one thing you haven’t brought back in. And that one thing was spirituality. And so I, at that point I was very surprised. I thought, well, you know, it’s always just sort of been there. I’ve never had it in front. I didn’t think it was that important. It just sort of informed my background philosophy of life. And yet it was the one thing I hadn’t purposely actively brought back into my life. So I thought, all right, let’s give it a try. I don’t have any other ideas, so let’s give this a try. And at that point, um, anything I was going to do spiritually pursue spiritually couldn’t negate what I knew to be true scientifically.

Dr. Theresa:        So I had to find something where the two could, could compliment each other or at least be in parallel and not conflict. And so I couldn’t go into blind faith and religion. Um, and I think the new age was too airy fairy for me. It was just ungrounded as a scientist. And so, um, I started to explore into the intersections of science and consciousness and science and spirituality. And you know, there’s a lot of stuff coming out at this is in 2000. Yeah. Around 2000 and there was a lot coming out, um, of like the Tao of physics was coming out and, uh, the dancing movie masters and you know, some physicists who are trying to parallel Eastern philosophy with, uh, quantum physics and the principles and showing how these principles were very similar. And as I read these books, I got really excited and I thought, Oh, you know what, this is, yeah, this really resonates.

Dr. Theresa:        It was like some piece of my me just lit up and I started to find a passion again. And it reminded me, actually when I thought back on it, it reminded me of why I even got into physics in the first place. It was some form of a spiritual inspiration, you know, it was like the sense of awe looking out at the universe, like at the night sky and just wondering like, wow, what’s out there? I want to know what’s out there. And then that was when I realized, Oh, I want to study astronomy or astrophysics and understand the universe and how this bigger, you know, universe works. And, um, so, so I was, I was starting to explore into science and spirituality and going to conferences and expos and things like that, reading all these books and just sort of, you know, I was getting really excited about it.

Dr. Theresa:        And the next thing that happened for me was I really wanted to find other people that I could talk with about these concepts at a similar wavelength, you know, who really could get it. Like you could go into that depth and, and explore the concepts with me. And, um, I was in Seattle at the time and I was at the university of Washington, but in the physics department there, it’s very traditional. And if you say anything about being spiritual, at least then it was like, Oh no, you know, she’s, she’s weird. And you know, I was afraid of losing credibility. So it was kind of in the closet about my spiritual beliefs when I was at physics. And so I had to search outside of that too, to find community. And so I was really searching for community and I just wasn’t finding it and I felt really isolated.

Dr. Theresa:        And so then, uh, at some point I was talking on the phone with my mom and I was complaining. I was just like saying like, I’m really, I feel really isolated. I feel like a fish out of water. Like I don’t really fit in here. And, um, and you know, I don’t have anyone in my local area that I feel like I can connect with. And my partner at the time, he was not really engaging with me at that low level either. And so, um, so I was just felt like, ah, you know, I, I’m really starting for community. And so my mom said, you know what? And I was having to take my qualifying exams at the same time for graduate school. And she’s like, why don’t you just put it out there to the universe that you want to find your spiritual path, your tribe, you know, your family.

Dr. Theresa:        And then just let it go, let the universe handle it and focus on your qualifying exams and then just trust and something will come back around at some point. And so, okay, I did this, you know, I believe in synchronicity and I believe the universe, you know, kind of guides us. I’ve had a lot of intuitive guidance prior to that point. So I say, all right, I’ll do that. And then within two weeks after that, as I put it, you know, I got really clear and I put it out there, my request to the universe, um, synchronicity happened and I was connected with somebody who was a practitioner of the modern mystery school. And um, the, the, the S the S, if I can go into the long story and there’s a short story. So the longer story was that she, her name was [inaudible] and she had sent my mom an email or actually shit webmasters, send my mom an email saying she wanted to cross link websites.

Dr. Theresa:        And then when my mom went to check out our website, she saw this stuff about awakening the DNA potential and activations and mr school. And then she’s like, digs a little deeper. She’s like, where does this woman, and she saw that she was in Seattle and here I was in Seattle saying, I want to find my, you know, my tribe. And uh, so my mom then emailed me and said, Oh, you should go check this out. I think there are no accidents. You’re just asking to find people that you could connect with and here’s this woman wanting to, you know, who lives in your area. So, um, so I then went and I decided to get an activation from her life activation. And I went in, I was, you know, a skeptical, I’d tried lots of different, um, energy modalities at that point. And you know, I’d experienced quite a bit.

Dr. Theresa:        I’d already been doing Reiki for several years, which is a basic kind of energy modality. And, um, during the session I could feel the energy, but it wasn’t like, it wasn’t super strong, but it was subtle, but I could feel it. But the information, she also said to me about what she was reading in my energy field and the DNA activation part of it was very clear and very accurate. And she didn’t really know me. And then we found out at the end of the session, she, you know, I said, um, Oh, you know, she’s like, how did you, how did you hear about me again? And it’s like, Oh, you, you sent an email to my mom wanting to cross link websites and, and she’s like, who’s your mom again? And you know, I told her her name and she’s like, that name doesn’t ring a bell.

Dr. Theresa:        And you know what I told my webmaster to get in touch with a woman in California who, who did something called DNA music and she must’ve gotten your mom by accident. And so this was one of, this is just one of those things where it was like, yeah, it wasn’t an accident. It was the, is trying to create the link. Um, and that then became my opening into the modern mystery school path. And I didn’t really talk with her for four months, but, um, I was noticing the shifts that started happening in my life after this one session. Uh, usually, you know, it’s like you might feel it in the moment and then you have, you know, nice two weeks afterwards or something and then it kind of fades. But with this session called the life activation, I notice things right away. And I started having all these, um, new awarenesses of myself and my choices and my patterns in life at a very practical level and what was serving me and what wasn’t serving me.

Dr. Theresa:        And I, you know, I’d have new ideas come through of how to change things and I do it. And it was just like, after about, um, a couple months I realized I’ve made a lot of little changes and things really were starting to improve in terms of my sense of quality of life. Um, just after that one life activation and four months down the line, I was for the first time able to like have the aha moment of what I felt like I was really here to do, which was to bring my passion for metaphysics and spirituality and my passion for physics and science together and be a bridge for science and spirituality. And so then, you know, I was like, well, I don’t know how to accomplish that, but at least I know my direction and it’s not traditional now. And so then that led me to want to take further steps with the mystery school.

Dr. Theresa:        So I went and got initiated and did their training. Um, and then I did another level of activation called the galactic activation. And after that, that was a three day kind of process, four day process. And after that it was like everything started to accelerate. Um, my, my, like I just really had a lot of answers that I had been seeking for much of my life that I hadn’t found satisfactory answers to. All of a sudden those answers were starting to be revealed through the mystery school teachings. Um, but more importantly, the tools and the practices that they handed down were really powerful and they were really working. And so I, um, decided or I, and I felt when I was there like, Oh, this is, these are the people, like this is the universe’s re like response to my request to find my spiritual tribe and path.

Dr. Theresa:        And I just knew it. You know, it’s like even though I, um, logically in my rational mind still fought with it and the concepts then had doubts in my soul. Like I really felt my heart. I really felt like this is the answer, this is what I’ve been looking for. And then I dove into, um, alchemy studying alchemy and Kabbalah and sacred geometry. And those things really lit me up because they became a very practical way that I could finally start pulling the science and the spirituality together and see how they linked up. Uh, that’s an incredible combination. Yeah, it’s a, it’s an odd combination. You know, like a lot of people think these are very divergent paths and you know, science is sitting over here and it’s all logic and reason and spirituality is over here and it’s all faith and intuitive and, um, you know, just the, the, the spiritual teachings.

Dr. Theresa:        Um, but I have found that through metaphysics, through ancient metaphysics, not religion, not new age, not just normal, like universal spirituality, but metaphysics, they’re very scientific, um, in their way of thinking, meaning they really dig deeper to try and understand, um, why the tool works, why this knowledge is true, let’s prove it. Right. So they have, they have a very scientific way of thinking. Okay. How would you describe the difference to physics and metaphysics for somebody listening? Well, metaphysics, first of all, Metta means more than, so metaphysics would be more than physics. So it’s looking into not just the physical realm. Yes, it’s looking at that, but it’s looking beyond the physical realm as well, so into nonphysical realms or unseen realms. Like they’ve, maybe they’re physical, but they’re just unseen. And so it’s this whole, um, very intricate system. This is intricate as sciences for how energy flows down from these higher spiritual realms.

Dr. Theresa:        And then more subtle energy realms and vibrations down into the physical and how we can then awaken more of that potential within us to rise up to our greater capacity to harness all of that energy. And so it’s very practical. It’s very applied. It’s very much about and how to awaken in metaphysics. We believe that there’s, um, a very, uh, infinite potential within us and that we have that the potential is like, you can become like superhuman, you can become godlike. And, um, the, the whole tradition of metaphysics is how do we achieve that? How do we awaken to that? What are the tools that will help us get there and remember and tap back into all of those potentials. Um, so it’s very much a, uh, a applied kind of spiritual path. And yet it’s also based on tradition, right? Tried and true. There’s lineage, um, versus just channeled material or something that, you know, just one person’s philosophy. Um, so it’s, it’s, I liked that, that it was tried and true, um, that it had thousands of years of tradition, you know, and people have tested it and refined it and perfected it over the years and passed it on to like later, um, generations.

Guy:                      Okay. What would you, would you recommend we could ask the top of your head a good book to recommend on metaphysics? Or there’s just so much out there.

Dr. Theresa:        Um, I would say that Gareth nights, uh, K, N I G H T Gareth’s night has some good books, maybe like experiencing inner worlds, uh, is a good one to potentially start with. Um,

Guy:                      yeah, I was curious. Yeah.

Dr. Theresa:        You know, Ted Andrews has a really good book just on Kabbalah. Um, and I th I find that in the Western mystery tradition, Kabbalah is like the, it’s the framework and everything relates into it because it just pulls it all together. Um, there’s also the hermetic teachings, right? So in the Western Mister tradition that her medic, uh, teachings go all the way back to her meats, you know, in ancient Greek and ancient Egyptian times, um, those teachings come in a very deeply, so like the Kabbalah, Leon is something that people in today’s, uh, way of thinking would, would still be able to wrap their heads around easily. Um, but if you want to go into the deeper work of the hermetic teachings, then you’d look at the, her Medica, which is all Corpus hermetic and is said to be teachings, you know, handed down from Hermes. Um, and in Kabbalah, if somebody is like brand brand, brand new to this, the best book I would recommend is Ted Andrews simplified Kabbalah. Um, and it’s really easy to understand and it’s, it’s pretty clean and universal. So

Guy:                      you, you’ve sparked off about 20 questions after sharing all that. Oh my God. But one thing I wanted to ask you before diving into the Kabbalah a bit more was from your journey being a scientist. And it’s interesting because I see this in my own life with people that were almost frightened to come out and look at spirituality and say, Oh my God, I’m looking at this over here as well. Cause it’s like uncommon conversations. And then, and then behind that. Well what does spirituality even mean? It can mean so many things to so many different people that from our interpretation. But I was fascinated to know what you started studying the modern mystery school and you talked about DNA activation and things were shifting quicker and quicker for you. Did you then just lean into that and just, just run with it or are you still resistant and coming up against yourself? Cause I see that so often as well.

Dr. Theresa:        Yeah. Both. Um, so I saw enough results that I thought, okay, you know, I always, I always, even if my mind doubted the concepts and the teachings and I struggled with that at a logical level cause I really did for years. I, I really like fought the teachings quite a bit and had my doubts, um, for many years on, on the, my early journey with the mystery school. But I S I always figured, okay, you know, my mind is it just that I’m being challenged in my concepts, um, or is it that I’m too indoctrinated in the scientific skepticism and I need to just allow myself to believe a little bit more here and have some faith. Um, so I, you know, I really checked myself with that, but then I always thought, okay, you know what, by the results that it creates in my life or by the fruits, you shall know.

Dr. Theresa:        Um, so by the results that it creates in my life, that is my evidence as to whether or not this is good. Right. So I just continued to look at what are the results, what are the fruits? And if I keep getting good fruits and good results, then I’m going to keep going with this. Because ultimately the bottom line is, is it helping me improve my life? Is it helping me progress? Is it helping me know myself more? Is it, um, is it expanding my consciousness? Right? So I would look at the fruits for me at a personal level and ultimately down the line I realized I was changing and progressing and, and rapidly. So, and I was getting that feedback from other people around me who had known me for a while as well. So it wasn’t just my subjective experience, it was other people reflecting like, wow, you’ve really shifted, like, what are you doing?

Dr. Theresa:        And um, and so I kept going forward with it. And then after a number of years, I was like back and it was like, you know what? The fruits are good and this is, this is working. Even if I doubt, even if I don’t believe it’s working. And so maybe I should just start to shift my mindset and start believing and then how much more could it work if I start really believing in stuff, fighting it. And, um, but I think it was good to have some skepticism and discernment, right? Because there’s so much out there these days. And I had explored a lot by then and I really had seen, well, you know, they, they make a lot of claims, but they can’t deliver, you know, the results and other than placebo maybe, or, you know, it felt good and it was psychologically uplifting, but it didn’t last. It didn’t sustain. Whereas, you know, so by the time I got into the mystery school, I was a little bit like, yeah, okay, we’ll see if they can really deliver on their claims. But they kept delivering and, and even more than I had expected. And um, so over time it’s like, okay, this is, this is, this is good.

Guy:                      Yeah. Amazing. Yeah, no, absolutely. I always think about that, you know, healthy skepticisms great. If you can just, you know, look into it, do the research, keep an open mind and just quietly go, go about looking and leaning into it, you know? And that’s what happened to me. Yeah.

Dr. Theresa:        And, and as a scientist, you know, I was trained, well, prove it to me and then I’ll believe you. Right. Show me the physical, tangible evidence and then I’ll believe you. Um, but I, uh, through this path and through the metaphysical approach, I came to realize that our mind can lock us from perceiving things. So if we don’t believe something, we won’t see it because our mind just blocks it. And so I came to realize over time that believing is seeing that there is so much going on and that as we open up our perception and our, our willingness to, um, you know, be open and, and believe so yes. Skeptic discernments I would say not skeptic anymore. I used to say participating skeptics. So meaning it’s not going to just prove itself to me if I just let this concept sit there and not doing anything with it.

Dr. Theresa:        Right. We have to participate with it. So we have to try it out, apply it, and test it. So, you know, again, as a, as an experimental scientist, I thought, okay, well I can do that. Let’s take this concept or take this hypothesis and test it and see if it really works. And as I tested it, I ultimately saw that I am the proof that that is not going to be proof that’s outside of me. It’s going to be proof that’s within me because of how my life changes, how I transform. Um, and then what, how I show up in the world and produce results in a different way. And so that is, um, I would say something for everyone to realize is that, you know, whatever, whatever spiritual path or personal growth work you do, you gotta take those tools and apply them and then you’ll know, you know, if it’s, if it’s just nice concepts or if it actually produces results in your life. And this is stainable way.

Guy:                      Absolutely. And I found myself guilty as well, of using the knowledge to distract me from actually taking the steps in my life that I needed. And I realized some of the spirituality wrote was actually keeping me from keeping the probe.

Dr. Theresa:        Some of it does that. Yeah, it’s, it’s ultimately like in the mystery school. I liked that part too is that, you know, yeah, there’s lots of knowledge and there’s lots of theory, but we would, what we’re looking for is transformation. We are looking for personal and if the knowledge is only good, if you’re going to apply it and do something with it and learn directly from it through your own experience and come to really understand it, you just keep it there as knowledge. It’s just filling up your head space and yeah, like you said, distracting you from the real work. So the mystery school of the way they teach actually is like here’s the tools. Try this out. Yeah. You can get the theory later, be here, try this out. And by your own direct experience you’ll start to know what it does because you’ve had that insight. Right. All the knowledge is ultimately within us. We just need the keys that awaken what we already know. And so these, this is what the mystery school focuses on is here are the keys to helping you awaken your own potential and what you already know and how to harness your life. How to, you know, become more the captain of your ship and, and mastery in your life.

Guy:                      Fantastic. I am, yeah. You mentioned the Kabbalah a few times in the conversation as well. And I know it’s part of your teachings. What is it exactly?

Dr. Theresa:        So Kabbalah is the study of life, right? And it’s how do we, um, how do we really master our potential? How do we awaken to, how do we awaken the soul? Right? So it’s a journey of helping us to really get into a deeper connection to our soul, uh, our mind. How do we, how do we, how does the mind work? And when we know how the mind works, then we can start to train it properly. Repattern um, reprogram some of the way we think because the way we’re trained or indoctrinated in the world is dumbing people down and, or limiting their belief systems of who and what they are and what they can accomplish. And so there’s a lot of faulty programming that comes in and through our upbringing, through our society, culture, religion, all of it. And so Kabbalah is, is helping us to reorient the mind and how the mind thinks back to the way it was originally intended to and in, uh, in working with a more multidimensional, um, way of thinking rather than just being stuck in a box.

Dr. Theresa:        And, um, the word Kabbalah means to receive. Uh, and so it’s about teachings, uh, and revelations that are revealed to us, whether through our own insights and meditations and contemplations or whether it’s through the oral tradition of the teachings being handed down from the teacher to the students and then what those do for us to help us expand our consciousness, expand our consciousness. And ultimately it’s about know thyself. Like, who am I, what are my gifts, um, where, where have I come from and how has it led me to this moment? Where am I going from here? And, um, and what is my purpose, right? And if we can really get to know ourselves in those, um, in, in relationship to those questions, that then becomes, and those are questions that there’s no end to the answers, right? There’s many, many different layers of answers to those.

Dr. Theresa:        And so, um, as we come to know ourselves more and we get more answers to those questions, we expand ourself awareness and our self concept. And then, um, the way we work with it in the mystery school is a bit different. Like a lot of people think of Kabbalah as Jewish mysticism and, um, and there is certainly that, uh, that lineage and tradition of the Kabbalah in the Jewish mystical path. But that pretty far back there was also a branch of Kabbalah that came off that blended in with the hermetic path and the ancient mystery traditions of um, you know, an alchemy like alchemy really works with Kabbalah in the Western, um, version of it. And, uh, in the Renaissance time later, there was also a, another merging again with bringing Kabbalah and hermetic teachings and, uh, the esoteric Western mystery teachings together. And, um, the way we work with it is more universal, so it’s not tied to any particular religion.

Dr. Theresa:        And we look at it as a mirror into the self and how do we then ascend the tree? So we work with something called the tree of life, which is a sacred geometry, a Glymph. And we, we talk about each aspect of this tree of life is a part of us and the framework, is it the tree of life? Yeah, there’s a, it’s a little bit hard to describe. It’s like triangular at top and then there’s kind of a square section in the middle and then a circle at the bottom. So there’s 10 circles and they’re aligned on three pillars. Um, and they each represent, they talk about them representing 10 different aspects of God or of the spirit, the source, um, but they’re also 10 aspects of us. And, and so you can use this tree of life as a way to organize information.

Dr. Theresa:        Um, and you know what, this is one of the big things that I loved when I first discovered Kabbalah. Cause when I first heard about it in my first year of the mystery school, I was like, I have no idea what that is. Like every time they talked about it, I was like, shoot, right over my head. And yet every time they talked about it, I get this intuitive resonance like I need to know more, like what is this? And um, and so I dove into it and I, I really, that’s where I started to lean in was when I got into the Kabbalah system and I read like six different books on Kabbalah. I went through their Ascension journey, uh, which is a 10 month program. And, um, and we really did a lot of inner work, uh, during that process. But also for me as a scientist, I was reading a Kabbalah book and I was reading about the cabalistic story of creation or cosmology.

Dr. Theresa:        And as I was reading the capitalistic version of it, almost like a retranslation from Genesis into, you know, a capitalistic understanding. And then at the same time I was taking these astrophysics courses on, you know, the modern day physics, cosmology and how the universe is created. And I was seeing that they were saying the same thing and it, you know, is different words maybe. And, and the metaphorical language was there in Kavala whereas it was like very physical language in science. But they, they were the same concepts and they were saying the same sequence of events even. And so it was fascinating to me because Kabbalah went a little further than science could go because science can trace back the big bang to like Pico seconds after the big bang moment. But they don’t know what started it. You know, they can’t go back further at whereas Kavala did it, it went back to the beginning and before the beginning.

Dr. Theresa:        And they had this whole theory and mechanism of how it all happened, how it all started. And I thought, wow, you know, if the capitalists have known this for thousands of years and our modern day science is just now coming around to this, like what else do they know and what else can we learn from them? Um, and it became the co, the tree of life became a framework where, and in my Gaius series called mystery teachings on Gaia TV I do in the first season I really draw a lot of the physics, uh, modern day physics and where the theories are at today. And I map it with the capitalistic teachings and the all chemical teachings and I show how they align. And you can take all the theories of physics, like all the sequences of the big bang and you can map it onto the tree of life.

Dr. Theresa:        And you can also take things like relationships and how our relationship dynamics work and map that onto the tree of life. You can also take all this spiritual philosophy and map that onto the tree of life. You can also take like herbs and what different herbs do in terms of healing properties and how that supports your health. And map that onto the tree of life. So it’s this way of bringing all this information together and um, you know, my mind, I work like a, I’m really good at putting puzzle pieces together and like connecting the dots and I think that I was waiting to discover, um, the tree of life and Kabbalah as the main framework for me to put all those puzzle pieces together for bringing the science and spirituality together.

Guy:                      Yeah. Wow. Incredible. And I got to say an incredible job on the TV show as well. It was amazing. And the way the graphics were done as well and, and the way it was pulled together, it was like, wow. It really

Dr. Theresa:        graphics and all the animation. I mean, I gave suggestions, but that’s all, you know, the editing and animations, all Gaia, they did a fabulous job.

Guy:                      Yeah. It came together really well and it’s just rivet and stuff. Yeah, for sure. Go ahead. I’m going to ask you one more question. I know time’s getting on a bit. Um, is sacred geometry because we hear the term quite often sacred. Tell me what I do now anyway. It seems to pop up in that, but again, it feels mysterious and a bit mystical and like what is it exactly? What does it represent and what’s the intent behind it?

Dr. Theresa:        Yeah. So sacred geometry is the same as, right, but the geometries have meaning to them now that are more than just a practical, tangible, physical thing. There is also a sacred or spiritual component to it. So what we would say in the metaphysical teachings is, well, let me see, let me say this. So in science they say the universe is built on math and mathematics and you know, physics. And then organizing those, you know, through different laws of combination, organizing all of that together. Um, and we look at our physical world and everything is built upon certain geometric forms. And, um, so you have squares and circles and triangles and you have what are called the platonic solids. And you know, we all learn a little bit of geometry in high school, right in our math classes and so forth. Um, and when I learned geometry in high school, it was like, I don’t get this.

Dr. Theresa:        But then when I came to sacred geometry and I started learning about the meaning of each symbol and how we would use it, um, as a, as a way to view nature and the universe and understand the messages that it’s trying to reveal to us in its organization. Like Einstein once said, you know, we want to understand the secrets of the old one or read the thoughts of God. And sacred geometry is one of those ways that we can do that. So I like to think of sacred geometry as a language of creation. It is how the, it is, the patterns of how the universe is built and um, and yet each geometry has specific meanings. So for example, an upright triangle meet, you know, usually relates to the Trinity. It usually relates to spiritual energies, um, and it’s ascending and it’s very fiery and dynamic and uplifting.

Dr. Theresa:        Whereas a sphere or a circle is usually related to like cycles, uh, like the cycle of life. And, um, also spheres. If you look just very physically, every set, stellar, uh, body, every planetary body out in the universe always form into a sphere or approximately a sphere because that is the best, um, volume for physical materia to organize itself around. So there’s a real physical reason to it. Uh, and yet in sacred geometry, we know the spirit represents earth or the body or being grounded and um, or is a square. And the cube is more like the mind and the triangle is the spirits or the pyramid. And you see things like, for example, the Fibonacci spiral, which is that what we call the golden mean spiral. And that spiral, you see it in spiral galaxies. You see it in the shape of shells. You see it in the pine cones, you see it in sunflowers, you know, you see it all over the place in nature.

Dr. Theresa:        So this is, um, one of the patterns that our universe is built upon and there’s proportion to it. So there’s mathematics to it, but there’s also beauty and harmony in it. And the ancient Pythagoreans who really studied a lot of math and sacred geometry, they said that that sacred geometry is like frozen music, that the same rules that govern harmony and beauty, um, in what we hear are the same rules and proportions that govern proportion of geometry and aesthetics and what we consider visually to be beautiful. And so, um, it’s about harmony and it’s about beauty and it’s a language of creation that we can work with. And what I love about the mystery school teachings on sacred geometry though is again, how do we use it, right? So it’s one thing to have it in your art and to make it, you know, to have these symbols around you and they’re beautiful and they’re cool looking. But how do we use it in our life to actually raise our vibration? And we can use it to, um, heal and raise our own physical bodies vibration as well as our environment. You can use it to like sanctify and raise the vibration of your environment, um, by creating grids and sacred geometric patterns with crystals and things like that around you. So, yeah, that’s the short answer.

Guy:                      Yeah, it was, yeah. Incredible

Dr. Theresa:        long time on state your gender.

Guy:                      Yeah. Well, no, I can only imagine. I can only imagine. Amazing. Um, look, I’m aware at the time, so I’m gonna ask you some questions, ask everyone every week on the show and um, and the first one is, um, what’s been a low point in your life that’s later become a blessing?

Dr. Theresa:        A low point that later became a blessing? Well, I would, I would definitely say that that time when I was in graduate school and I was feeling really depressed and dissatisfied. W I mean everything. It was just like I was not happy with anything in my life at that time. And, um, and you know, my, I mean it seemed like things were falling apart. Like everything that I thought this is what my life is going to be. Um, it was like I was realizing none of that was going to be the reality. Like it just wasn’t satisfying me. It wasn’t fulfilling me. And then that, what the blessing was is that it put me on a search to discover, well, who am I? And what do I really, really want and what really is my calling and my purpose. And then that ultimately led me onto a path of amazing transformation and growth and spiritual development.

Dr. Theresa:        And now I’m doing what I’m doing today, um, which is completely off the set and different from what I would have ever thought I was doing back then. You know? And, and if you’d asked me in 2000, like if you’d asked me in 1999 if I would be, you know, like having a guided TV show, teaching about science and spirituality and speaking in front of hundreds of people and all of that, I would have said no way, no way. But, and doing healing sessions on people at no, it was not anywhere in my concepts of what I would become. Um, but I’m here today and I love it, you know, and it fulfills me and it’s definitely aligned with what I feel. I was com I came here to do, but it was quite a process to get there.

Guy:                      Yeah, no doubt. Incredible. Um, what does your morning routine look like?

Dr. Theresa:        My morning routine. Uh, so I’ll wake up and usually I need to shower first just so that I can really wake up. Cause my, I am, uh, on a bit of a dimmer switch to warm up in the morning. And, um, and then I will do some what I call rituals or spiritual practices. So I’ll, you know, kind of call in certain energies and center myself. I’m a little bit of meditation and, uh, and then just, yeah, kind of work my energy, body or field, uh, to feel like, OK, I’m, I’m centered, I’m balanced, I’ve got the energy flowing and now I’m ready to go about my day. And then, uh, it depends on the day, you know, I don’t really have a regular schedule, but that would be my morning routine, you know, and then I’ll eat. So I’ll do a smoothie. I tend to do like a protein smoothie for my breakfast and drink lots of water and, um, and then I get going, you know, whether I’m creating or I’m going out to teach or I’m having a self care day.

Guy:                      Fantastic. Fantastic. Um, if you could have dinner with anyone tonight, but from any time frame anywhere in the world, who would you think it would be and why?

Dr. Theresa:        There’s a lot of good ones to pick from. Um, I think at this point I would probably talk to, uh, Nikola Tesla to figure out, Oh, what was it you really discovered? Um, and I can see was he was also an initiates and he, you, uh, I think he knew Kabbalah, he knew hermetic teachings, he knew alchemy and he was trying to bring those teachings together with the science at a very practical experimental level and to, um, you know, to create free energy and get someone in the bathroom.

Guy:                      Yeah, that’s all right.

Dr. Theresa:        Um, and, you know, create free energy. So I feel like, you know, did he tap into zero point field or was he just learning how to harness electricity? Did he, you know, is he able to create, uh, portals? Like what was he really doing? I’d be fascinated to talk with him.

Guy:                      Yeah. Fantastic. Yeah, he’s come up a few times actually on the show. Yeah. And the last thing, with everything we’ve covered today, is there anything you’d like to leave our listeners

Dr. Theresa:        to ponder on? Yeah. You know, ponder on who are you? If you were only to ever ask yourself one question every day, that’s the question. Who am I? And don’t? You know, when you answer that question, it’s really about essence of you. It has nothing to do with what you do or the roles you play in this life. Or, um, you know, who your relationships are with or you know, has nothing to do with any of this physical life. Like, who are you in your essence when you strip away all of those worldly definitions and labels, who are you? Right? The eye, when we think of I who am I right? Just contemplating that right there and doing it every day, it will start to open up some amazing self-discovery and, uh, and growth and reorientation. Uh, because you know, a lot of people are, they don’t know who they are. And so because they don’t know who they are, they’re so easily influenced by other people’s expectations. Indoctrination, the media, social media, you know, it’s like we get so influenced by all these external influences because we don’t know who we are, but if we start just turning in and saying, who am I and defining that from within, uh, it, it changes everything. Yeah.

Guy:                      Amazing. I can vote for that one for sure. Um, where can we send everyone, the listeners if they want to learn more about your work, your teachings, everything that you do.

Dr. Theresa:        Yeah, so my personal website is theresabullard.com. T H E R E S A B U L L A R D.com. And then if they want to learn about the Gaius series, they can, um, they can view some trailers and some sneakpeaks at mysteryteachings.com. Uh, so those would be the two main websites for me personally. And then if they want to learn more about the modern mystery school, they can go to modernmysteryschool.com. They can find practitioners all over the place there.

Guy:                      Yeah. Well I’ll, I’ll, I’ll link, um, I’ll link everything in the show notes below as well. So Theresa, that was amazing. Thank you so much for coming on and spending some time. Um, I, I recommend cause it’s done. Ours were conversation. That was incredible. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it.

Dr. Theresa:        Thank you guys. A pleasure.

Guy:                      Thank you.