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Lars:
I carried for a week, I carried stones up that mountain. And each stone had a meaning. For example, one stone I had to carry was symbolizing my relationship to women. Another one, my relationship to my parents, to my family, to this, to that, you know. Every day I was carrying them up on the mountain. And he asked me to throw them out from the mountain, giving thanks and gratitude to each one of them for what they have meant in my life. So it was a very effective way of dealing with those issues.

Guy:
Hey, beautiful souls. My awesome guests today are Lars Mühl and Naleea Landman. And it’s very rare that I actually have two people on the podcast at any one time. And purposely, that’s just my own kind of way I conduct the podcast, because obviously having two people changes the dynamic completely to just this one-on-one. And of course, when you record a podcast online compared to in person, that changes the dynamic again. I mean, two people plus being online is a very different space to if we were all in the room and things like that. But I reached out to Lars initially. He’s an incredible spiritual teacher. And when I connected, and just before he came on the podcast, he said, well, do you mind if I bring Naleea on as well? Because we’ve been doing a lot of work together. I was like, maybe Amir’s like, yeah, sure, of course. But I didn’t know anything about her at this specific time. So in some ways I was unprepared for the podcast, but in other ways, as I always try and do, is just roll with it and try and have an organic, intuitive conversation anyway along that. I actually, they’re beautiful souls. One thing I’ll say, it made me want to know more at the end of the day by recording that podcast. So I will definitely bring them back as individuals as well in the future. But ultimately, my goal is to bring awareness to people that are doing great things on the planet. And that’s what I wanted to do for these two beautiful souls today. But don’t worry, you’ll get a lot out of this podcast. I certainly enjoyed talking to them and look forward to reconnecting them in the future. And of course, if you enjoy it, please be sure to let me know, especially if you are listening to this on YouTube. And yeah, that’s it. Let’s go over to Lars and Naleea. Enjoy. Beautiful. Lars, Naleea, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for joining me. I have a question for both of you, and I’ll start with you, Lars, and then Naleea. But if you were, say, on an airplane right now, and you sat next to a complete stranger, and they asked you what you did for a living, what would you say?

Lars:
Yeah, what can I say? I’m a writer and hopefully an inspirational worker for people that are interested in more than just the physical being. That’s my work.

Guy:
Yeah, beautiful. And I have no doubt that would spark a lot of conversation as well. And what about you, Naleea?

Naleea:
I think I would say something like, I’d love to know that myself. Yeah, every day is really different. I’m doing so many different things. I think I’m really responding to what is brought and it comes in forms of writing, editing, translating, caring. working with energies, teaching about meditation, or connecting to our inner core, our inner being, having a very, very strong wish to be part of, something within this world, something that is bringing the essence of freedom and care, or the essence of what is perceived as love here.

Guy:
Yeah, beautiful. And I’m curious as well, because this is the first time I’ve met you, Naleea. I met Lars briefly last time, even though we didn’t get the video working. So this is our second attempt. Because you guys co-work together, I believe. And what brought you two together? And I’d love to hear both perspectives and why you feel that has been the way forward for you in the work that you do.

Guy:
I’ll start with you, Naleea.

Lars:
Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. An idea.

Naleea:
It came through a book actually from Lars, the old manuscript, that it’s a long story. It could be a story and it’s a really, really wonderful story actually, but it somehow appeared in my hands one day. And I read it and I just had that feeling. I lived in London at that time and I just contacted him to say, can I connect you with some people there for workshops or talks? Yeah, it was something in the writing. There are some parts in the books that are connected to an inner voice of his, like inner guidance, and the frequency of that, that felt like a home frequency for me. And so I just had this instant feeling of brotherhood or sisterhood, whatever, you know what I mean. And yeah, so to me, that was the basis of how I felt and still feel there’s just a soul familiarity. And that’s kind of through many, many years that has passed since then, that seemed to just become more and more precise in the work as well.

Guy:
Ah, beautiful. And what about you, Lars? I’m curious about the Old Man’s Script, then, and the book, and what drew Naleea to that, and to you?

Lars:
Oh, that book have connected me to many, many people through the years, you know? But my connection to Naleea was absolutely the frequency of, you know, you have this resonance on certain frequencies with people. Some are, you know, in and you have your family, familiarity with them. But this was on a spiritual level, I felt, that there was total resonance. So that was for me… You know, you cannot always put that into words. You just feel it and you go with it, you know. So we were connected all through the years, on and off, you know.

Guy:
Yeah, beautiful. No, it’s I find these conversations very interesting, actually, because my whole purpose of the podcast really is to pay it forward and to have conversations that people feel safe and comfortable in and be able to explore these these topics, including myself. I find I’m always learning. And then within that, to bring awareness to other people’s work, so people can continue to explore and ideally lift the whole consciousness of humanity, person by person, moving forward. That is my intention with this. And I think we fall in love with the idea sometimes, but don’t have the courage to do it, to listen to that resonance, that yearning within our soul that wants to come forward. And it can be challenging for us because we identify ourselves with our current life and start to put so much meaning to it. And I’m always fascinated as well about people’s journeys into this line of work and what were the turning points for people? And I’d love to dive into both your backgrounds with this as well, because I’m sure there’s a journey there with everyone. But I’ll start with you first, Lars. What were the pivotal points for you, I think, to have the courage to lean into this work and choose this life moving forward? Or have you always been this way?

Lars:
For me, this has nothing to do at all with courage. This happened just because it was destined to be like that. My sister died when I was 10 years old and she was 6 years old. And when I was 11 I was in such a bad state that I stopped going to school. And actually that was where it all began for me, you know, because… I suddenly found myself in a situation where the reality as we know it was completely upside down for me. And then I got, by anonymous post, a book sent to me by a Sufi master called Hassan Ibn Khan, and I did not know who he was, of course, and I did not know who sent me the book, but that book did… became the start of my so-called spiritual path. And in order to be in the world, I became a musician. It was in the 60s, mid-60s, and I spent 30 years in the business, usually in a rock band. But my main purpose in life was to study, so I studied for all these years as my prime mission in life, all the spiritual and religious paths that you can think of. So that had been my whole life.

Guy:
Yeah, where did you grow up? I would imagine this knowledge, it wasn’t freely available. Like today, we can jump on a podcast and listen to these conversations. And I guess I grew up in an era where, as I started to lean in, information was much more easily accessible to me. So I didn’t have so many beliefs challenged.

Lars:
I can question that because, you know, the fact that there is so much available makes it much more, you know, like, oh, wow, when you see all these things. You know, just imagine that you have one book to go. You start from the beginning, when you finish the book, you start again, all over, you know. And every time you read that book, you understand so much more. So I would say, the less information you have when you start this, the more in-depth you can go. Now there’s so much that you could take a little bit here, a little bit there, As soon as you step into some kind of obstruction in what you read or something that is uncomfortable or you don’t, oh, I will take something else, you know, I can choose whatever. So I think the problem today is actually there’s too much everywhere and it’s accessible and you can always go there, meaning I don’t have to do it today. You know, I can do it tomorrow. So I think in a way, it was, it helped me to, because I was so into it, you know, and there was no other books than, you know, as you said, it weren’t that available.

Guy:
Yeah, so there was almost like there was this path or no path, and I’m taking it. Yeah, in many ways, yeah. Yeah, and what about you, Natalia?

Naleea:
How did your journey start? Since I’m a very young child, very young, I remember kindergarten time, I had very conscious out-of-body experiences. And I I was like always, I don’t know, I think like a warrior or something in the sense of in society or so questioning a lot and as a child as well. And I think that went a little bit over the top when I became a teenager. I was very aggressive in the sense of putting up fights for justice or against this or against that. It was a lot of suffering, so to speak, in there. I developed bulimia, which was a very big teacher for me for many years, I think about 12 years. That was after an out-of-body experience where I thought I would die because I had this choice of coming back or not. And I was totally bewildered because I thought, of course, I can’t leave my parents. here on their own, kind of thing. I was very shocked, really, that my life must have been in such a way that I got that choice, that I must have moved away so much from my path, so to speak. So more and more after that, suffering added, but as well consciousness. So I was even more sensitive, but as well, I was adding more of the understanding what is my part in the things. So I understood if I’m aggressive towards people who are unjust. I’m adding exactly that to Mother Earth or to our frequency that I’m criticizing. Or when I’m suffering over the state of pain of other people, I’m adding more pain. So that was an amazing revelation for me. And I was able to always remember that, but I was not able to live by it all the time. So I knew then I can’t put that outside, so I put it with bulimia inside, so to speak. Yeah, it was just, you know, there was no other way. I remember I listened to a German song where the word mantra was said, and I didn’t know what that was. And we didn’t have Google then, you know, so I was looking up in a dictionary book, it’s like, there was no word for mantra. It’s like, I didn’t know what that was, you know. So it was a surrounding where these things were not explainable, or were not lived, or were not present. And yeah, a lot of development then happened. And I think I put a lot, I started with acting, I put a lot in there, learned a lot about the human mind, the human psyche, so to speak, through like eating literature and I don’t know, having really always that wish of to be part of something when what is, what could art be for in the sense of moving or touching hearts or connecting to souls? Yeah, I think.

Guy:
Yeah, and I’ve just got to prod a little bit there because you talked about out-of-body experiences and then having to a point having a choice. What did that look like for you? How old were you? And if you don’t mind sharing a little bit, how did you experience that in that moment? Because I feel When you have experience, like I’ve had many myself, and when you have these experiences, it really kind of, for me anyway, it shattered a lot of fundamental beliefs of who I thought I was, which then started putting me on a very different exploration of self. And you don’t sweat the small stuff so much anymore. You kind of really start to look at life with a very different vantage point.

Naleea:
Yeah, to me, so it was just that feeling that I knew already from other times, where I just felt beginning to be sick. And then I was making my way down to the bathroom. I was living with my parents at that time. And they just, I felt while I was getting unconscious, they came. And then I was just under the like, I was looking at the scene from under the ceiling, so to speak, that perspective. And then I saw them, how they were over my body. And then I was just taken away, like in another dimension where it was just like white blurry, a white blurry field. And I just heard that, heard, felt, sensed that this is the decision. Do you want to stay or do you want to go. And yeah, that’s what I was just saying before. I was totally surprised. And it was an immediate, of course I stay. That was the bond to my parents. Because I always feel like I need to be there in their field. And so it was like bang, back in.

Guy:
Yeah, wow. That’s powerful, that’s powerful. And how long after then, all this experience, how long have you guys been working, co-working together, like on your journey? This seems to be quite a journey from that point to obviously where you are today, teaching.

Naleea:
Okay, so that was much earlier before we met.

Guy:
Yes, no, I understand that. Sorry. But like, so at what point then did Lars come into your journey from that point moving forward?

Naleea:
Yeah, so I finished acting school, did some acting, did some this and that, then moved to London. And some years there. I started to engage there. London is amazing for development. There was not a lot in Hamburg at that time, and so I went to the College of Psychic Studies, for example, a place where I went to have meditations, to different places where they had speakers and lecturers. And started to as well develop with a group, like group healings and just doing work in the sense, always wanted to bridge you know, spirituality into everyday life, you know, to Friday night not go to the pub, but go to a healing night or, you know, to open different gates, different ways of being able to relate together as on a social level, but then on a spiritual, more wholesome level in central London, you know, so. that, and I think at the same time, then Lars as well came, I think, so to speak, Lars came, like our connection came into my life. And we, like Lars said, we kept contact after that initial meeting we met in London, where he was just anyway, at that time, because of a contract, I think. A contract, a signing of a book.

Guy:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Beautiful. Yeah. Thank you. And I always like to probe like that because already you’re sparking more and more questions for me, especially around group healings and what our potential is. But I want to ask you first, Lars, about what you’ve learned on your journey. Because I was fascinated as well when I started looking into your background about the time you spent with the SIA, I believe. What did you learn from that time, or how did you end up there? And what is our human potential as people?

Lars:
You see, at that time, I had moved to a small island here in Denmark, and I was more or less giving up on touring with the band. And I was still starting to write also a few books I had written there. And then suddenly I became ill, and I was bedridden for some time, and I got up, and I could stay up for a few days, then I had to lie down again, and so forth. And before I knew it, three years have passed like that. And I was not able to really go anywhere anymore. I was lying in bed all the time. And I prayed to God, and I really… So I had everything, you know, and also, when I was able to be conscious about my situation, really, then I really tried to ponder the problem. Why am I lying here? What have I done? And so every day was like, if you could imagine that you are in a moth hole, and up there, there is the light. So I would start the day to try to crawl up and get a grip on the side to try to get up in the light. And every time I was just sliding down again. And I was so tired after that and exhausted that I had to wait until the next day for another try. So one day, suddenly there was a voice saying, Lars, when you are lying here and feeling so much pain, Why don’t you take upon you the pain of everyone in the world who suffers? And it might sound totally crazy when I say it, like megalomaniac or something. But that was actually what I heard. And there was no doubt in my mind that I had to say yes to this. Because somehow I knew that I would not get another chance if I did not say yes to that. And when I said yes, just silently, went by it, you know. The pain stopped. And there was some kind of peace, and like… Naleea, I was transported out of the body, and I could see myself lying there. I was not able to rise from the bed, but something had changed. And a week later, I was connected to a friend, to the seer. I got his telephone number and phoned him up a few times, one time, and he did not respond. So the second time it was between 8 and 9 in the morning. He came through immediately, you know, and he said, what can I do for you? And I said, yes, I want to have an appointment with you. He had his consultation in Copenhagen at that time. And he said, that’s impossible, because I haven’t got time for you for the next half year. And I said, I really begged him, and I said, you have to take me, because or else I will die. And he said, what’s the matter with you? And I told him that I’ve been lying in bed for two years and so forth. He said, okay, hold on. And then there was silence. And you know, a minute in a telephone of silence is really like light years, you know. And at one point I thought he had actually hung up on me. But then he came back and he said, Listen, you come over to me in half a year on this address, and then, until then, everything should be alright. Have a good day. A little after, I felt a slight knocking in my neck, and I became so tired, and I went up and slept for a few hours, woke up, and the change, it had all changed. It was like my world that had been for two years in black and white was suddenly in technicolor. And it was so vividly that I was back into life again. I could hear the birds down the other end of the island. So, you know, that experience like there being a veil between you and the world, and you were not able to cooperate in it or anything. You could hardly witness anything. So suddenly, that was gone, you know? And it was so like… I was ignited again. It was like a spark, you know? Like an old car that needed to be a new battery or something. It was really amazing. So, half a year later, I went to Copenhagen to meet him on that address, and when I came, he had moved out. And on my way down from the address, there was a messenger who came with a telegram for me, that he had sent, because he knew I was coming, telling me to come to Montségur, because he had moved to southern Spain at that time, but was doing work in Montségur in the Pyrenees in France. So, I think a few months later, he asked me to come on a certain date, on a certain address, I did not know where it was, or anything. So I went, and I met him there, on the meadow, just in front of the holy mountain of Montesquieu, and that was, from that moment on, a whole new life started for me. That lasted nine years, I worked with him, So you should imagine what really happened to me was that I have been studying since my 14 or 15 years as a teenager. Studying and studying and studying. So, in many ways, I thought I knew everything. So, now I meet this man who has read nothing, but has practiced a lot. He had a lot of experience. And I found out I knew nothing. I have read all these books, but it was all about other people’s thoughts, other people’s experiences, and so forth. And it was so obvious to me that my first meeting with this man, like, you know, when I met Naleea and other people in my life that is on that frequency, you know, that immediately I could feel that, oh, this is different, you know. So when he asked me, he said to me, you can go home and you can probably learn to be happy with your interest in the spiritual matters and stuff. Or you can actually be reborn right now by following me up on that mountain. And from now on, if you choose that, I’ll give you a new life. And that was exactly what he did. I carried for a week, I carried stones up that mountain. And each stone had a meaning. For example, one stone I had to carry was symbolizing my relationship to women. Another one, my relationship to my parents, to my family, to this, to that, you know. I won’t bother you with all the issues I was carrying, and every day I was carrying them up on the mountain. And he asked me to throw them out from the mountain, giving thanks and gratitude to each one of them for what they have meant in my life. So it was a very effective way of dealing with those issues, you know, they become very physical. And I think it was really needed for me because I was so much up in my head at that time. studying, you know, knowing everything. Knew exactly what was the Vedas and what was the Christianity, what was Sufism and so forth. I knew it all. And yet, I knew nothing. That was the big revelation for me, that I had to really forget about everything that I’ve read. Because the moment when you have done a lot of studying and not really practiced it, the moment you practice it and you experience it, then it becomes alive. Everything that you have studied is suddenly of value, deep value, because now you have a perspective you can put into the experience, so you don’t have to go and say, what does that mean? Because I knew what it meant, because I had all the theories about it, you know? So you see, it was really, really, for me, a question of learning how to ride the bike, you know? You have to go up on the bike, hop on the bike, learn to ride it, fall off, hop on back, and then everything you have read is actually the traffic rules. And that’s what spiritual books to me is all about. The moment that… you have learned to ride the bike, actually, then you can apply the rules afterwards. The spiritual, so-called, what I call the law of light that is running through all kinds of genuine spiritual path. There is a kind of universal law that we are all connected to, so to speak, And the moment we become aware of that, that’s a huge revelation for us. It has different names, of course, and somebody would not call it a law, but to me it is a law of light. It is. like a mirror that we can always adjust ourselves by as we go. So if you’re connected, and you will connect, because to me, everybody is enlightened. We are all enlightened beings. So it is more about to accept that, acknowledge that, and take responsibility for it, and start to practice. And that is actually what Nadia and I are trying to do in our work together, of course between us. Naleea has done a lot of work on her own, of course, and a lot of experiences on her own. But, you know, it doesn’t matter what we call it. It’s more, what frequency are we working on? And the moment you find that your frequency is the same… You know, you can have millions of different names for the same thing. It doesn’t make them different, you know? It’s just a kind of perception. When you feel the frequency, then you know what real connection is all about. So when you start to go out and share that frequency with people in an experiential way, that’s very much what we try to do in our workshops, is not just to talk about things, but try to give people an actual experience of how does it feel. Because the moment you have that, And that was exactly what Zia did to me. He wanted me to feel with all my senses. And when your physical senses are fulfilled, so to speak, then comes the next and most important thing, to leave the intellect and your understanding of everything, your knowledge about whatever path you are walking. But there will be a point where you are asked to give it up, so to speak. to leave it behind and then give yourself up and step over that threshold out into the void where you leave your comfort zone, so to speak, and see that that is where real spiritual work are happening. And sometimes you don’t even have any words for it, but I feel that this is, This is what we are trying to do, to give it a language that everyone can understand. What does it mean? What is the experience like? I feel that for much too long, we have tried to make it much more complicated than it is. And there’s also a lot of within the spiritual world or the spiritual, yeah, the New Age movement, a lot of, you know, like, what degree are you working on? And, you know, like a heresy, you know? Oh, this man or this woman is very, very enlightened, which I feel totally crap, you know? Because we are all enlightened. And we have a saying that if it doesn’t work in the supermarket, or in the marketplace, it doesn’t work anywhere. I mean, all this thing about being more holy than this, or more holy than this… You know, it’s just ego projection. And I think time has come to really give that up now and start genuine work from exactly the point of where you are right now. And it cannot be measured by any other, your neighbor or whatever. You, in yourself, are a genuine being that is enlightened. And nobody can come to you and say, oh, I know more about this than you do. Nobody knows anything about you or anybody else. So, for me, it’s that after the Seer diet, my teachers are everyone I meet in daily life, you know. So, to start to… to see that actually you could say that God is everywhere, in everyone you meet. And that is the thing, you know.

Guy:
Yeah. Yeah, no, beautiful. Thank you for sharing all that. And I’d love to hear Naleea’s perspective in a moment. It’s fascinating, isn’t it? Because the suffering that you had to go through, Like, what are your thoughts on that? Because there’s almost a feeling that people need to suffer to achieve these aspects of… No, nobody needs to suffer anything.

Lars:
But I think that it is, for those who don’t want to… You know, before I went in to lie down in bed, I knew that I had to leave the music business. at least for some time. But I was not able to, because I had my identity there, I earned good money. If you don’t listen, then you have to feel. And that is what it is, you know. And the fact that I heard this voice just before I met the seer was actually my… I see it as a test, that if I said yes to this, then the help would be provided to the seer. And afterwards I thought about, remember that it is said about Yeshua, that he took upon him the pain of the world, or the sin of the world, or whatever. And I was given that choice to take upon me the pain of everyone who suffers. And in that moment, my situation became meaningful. that I was not doing it, I was not lying there just suffering for nothing. I was suffering for humankind. And in that moment, something happens, because consciousness steps in, you know? You kind of… It is a…

Guy:
I think we lost Glass.

Guy:
Yeah.

Naleea:
Okay, this can happen. He’s living in a monastery in the center of Aarhus and the walls are thick and sometimes he has problems with the internet, but he will come in very quickly, I think.

Guy:
Okay, we’ll give it a minute. Otherwise, we can just pick up the conversation. Yeah. Yeah.

Naleea:
It’s very interesting actually with, I don’t want to go back now there, but just for you to know, Lars was mentioning at the back of his head that he had that knock when the sea connected with him. And I have been translating because Lars, which would be lovely to mention later, he made a documentary about the sea and he’s sharing that for free as well since some days now on his website before it was screened in different cinemas and things like that. And now he’s just sharing it with everybody. And so it’s a documentary about the whole work with the Seer and him. And so I translated that into German, or not that, just part of it, because lots of it is as well is from the old manuscript parts, and that was already translated. So I just added some translation from new texts. And while I was working, I had that knock as well in the back of the head, and I was describing it to Lars, and he was like, yeah, that was him. So it was amazing. He was really present the whole time when I was translating.

Guy:
So the knock is the seer coming in.

Naleea:
Is that right? Yeah, or I think I felt the seer anyway on other occasions, but with that knock, there was some healing happening, you know?

Guy:
Yeah.

Naleea:
Fascinating. because I really did not focus on that, or thought of that, or something. And I remember once again, I was in Bern, we were there for a workshop, and there was another friend of Lars, who’s a therapist too, and all three of us We had some time in between and I was just like, oh, there’s a treatment room here. I mean, it would be lovely just to give each other some treatments as we are all three of us together. And when I was laying down and both of them were there, then the seer came as well and I had that knock the second time as well.

Guy:
Wow, that’s amazing. Eliza’s back. You’re back, sir.

Guy:
There you are.

Lars:
Yeah, sorry. My connection here in the monastery is not always so good.

Guy:
That’s okay. That’s okay. Do you want to finish what you were sharing?

Lars:
Just that I think we have misunderstood this thing about Yeshua taking the sin upon his shoulders, that it’s more like maybe there was a personal challenge for him on the cross, you know? And I think that there’s so much there that is being misunderstood. We are all challenged, like the bulimia thing with Maria.

Guy:
It is all part of us being reborn again into this life, you know? To be challenged to what do you want here? What is your to find our purpose, you know.

Lars:
And I see there is a tool of help to get us back on track, you know.

Guy:
Yeah. Thank you.

Naleea:
And in between as well on the time in between to say, actually, I can hold on to this, because I couldn’t hold to anything else. I couldn’t relate to the society. I couldn’t relate how we were, how to the schooling system, like, you know, I was very, you know, I would always go with the flow and I would always make my way through everything. But in my inner, I just didn’t understand what this was all about and why it is like this. And I think I think in that way, bulimia was a real helper too, because it kind of kept me enclosed for so many years. It was like a meditative practice almost, to really shut the world out. It is the pain as well, but it is as well almost the solution. It kind of held me by the hand, and more and more consciousness just came through in these times of desperation, so to speak.

Guy:
going into my own journey today or anything, but I spent the early parts of my life questioned and everything. Why is this? I couldn’t relate to anything and just fled and used travel as an escape mechanism for quite a large part of my early adult life. So without pain underneath, I’m interested to hear your perspectives as well, Naleea, on what Lars shared about the law of light and embodying those frequencies and developing a greater sense of awareness to that. I’d love to hear your perspective of how we can start to lean into those concepts, because I feel from meeting a lot of people myself, we love the idea of it. We’re in our heads a lot, but are we really living it? Are we really embodying it?

Naleea:
Absolutely. To me, like Lars already said, it can be called a lore or maybe it’s not even a lore, but it can be called and it can be given a lot of names. So that is, if you really listen to it, it makes a lot of sense, that description. So what else could it be if not a lore? It’s like the law of light is both the understanding, but as well the experience of, to me, the Christ, or the Buddha, or the essence of the I Am presence. So it is that feeling that I am able to speak really with my voice out of like the middle of my being. And not like that, hi, I’m fine, how are you? It’s like to stay present as deep as I can. To not speak about love, but while you speak, to radiate it while you write an email, to mean it when someone says kind regards, to mean it when someone is talking about a problem, to not only think of a solution but share the space really in the sense of, for example, I love the understanding that all of our being is radiating everything we are at every moment. It’s just us that limit ourselves to maybe what we think of ourselves. But when we listen or when we are sensing this constant stream of of is-ness or of like the me that is just like a tone flowing out. And at the same time, I’m feeling both of you being present here, speaking, listening, speaking, listening. That just gives such a, to me, that gives so much hope to to the topic of relation or relationships, because there’s so much more that we can experience together when we start to listen to that. For example, in the work that we do, there’s a beautiful, I would just recommend it for everybody to do that at some time with someone. It’s a beautiful practice just to sit with each other, in front of each other, and look each other into the eyes. And without thinking, I’m giving you something, without thinking, I’m receiving now for you, just to be present. As Lars said, it was the first practice the seer did with him. And they did it for an hour. And when we work, we don’t do it that long. I would love to do it an hour once. And it’s just every time, every single time, and I can already feel it how it moves me when I just speak about it. I get this softness and this width of my whole being and it’s like, how can I forget that it is so There is nothing in between us. We can be really together. We can be so much more open, and that makes life just so exciting, so precious, so, like other people would maybe say, vulnerable, but it isn’t because it’s the strongest experience to be that. without any curtain or without any projection. If you’re not sitting there and looking, oh, this person has got short hair, or is this or that, or if you’re just there with their eyes. And then, as well, what we are doing, we are relating from heart to heart, then, and just feeling the flow of each other. And it’s like, you do that with a stranger, and after five minutes, you just know them. And it’s from someone to brother and sisterhood. And it’s like, yeah, these things to me, but coming back to what you’re saying about the law of light, so to me, everything that takes me away from being present. If it’s my projection of, for example, pain, when you look at the state of the world, everybody would say it’s very natural to react with pain or with aggression towards the injustice or towards the suffering. But I mean, to me, it’s like, for example, talking about Yeshua saying, love thy enemies. What does that mean? So both ways of the enemy, like my thoughts, my aggressive thoughts, that that is an enemy ship, so to speak, against me being in the presence of pure, neutral consciousness of a loving kindness. So any thought, any emotion that is standing in the way, so to speak, I will put into a transformation. But as well, love the enemy. Because I have no other solution than, when you look at the state of the world, And all of our wishes, like all of us, I’m sure everybody who’s listening, everybody who’s interested in things like that. you know, it’s like a big community. And how else should it be than staying true in ourself, using the law of light in the sense of the blessing, but as well like speaking when you need to speak, but speak in a peaceful and clear way. and relate to everybody with the golden rule, as they say, do to others as you wish to be done to yourself. What Lars says is that simple. It is that simple. But at some point, I think somehow things have been made so complicated. But we need to, I think, I would just not know another way, but we need to have the trust and the faith. If we really live that with each other, then, so to speak, reality has to shift. But if we do it on this really everyday level, from moment to moment to moment, and really having that self-reflection, having the trust that, okay, maybe someone will be a warrior and a spokesperson. Someone will start to write an article. Someone will do something else. You know, everybody in their own, like an orchestra. Not everybody is the first violinist. as someone is doing that. And I don’t, if I’m the big contrabass, yeah, and I’m on my own, I don’t have to suffer because I know there’s a lot of an orchestra around me. They are maybe not like me, but they are, and we are creating harmony. We are creating the symphony and the triangle as much as the first violin or, you know, so yeah.

Guy:
Yeah, beautiful.

Naleea:
Thanks for sharing. That trust, I think. But as well, to really have the self-reflection to our own shadows, our own personality, so to speak, and see it as an adventure to get to know ourselves, so to speak. And then be that what Lars says. We are enlightened. Can we allow it? It’s like looking at each other’s eyes. Can we allow this enlightened being to be present, or do I have to hide behind something?

Guy:
For sure. Is there anything you’d like to add to that, Lars? You know, just one comment on just my own experience. It wasn’t until I understood everything you say, but it wasn’t until I really want this and know within every cell of my body, like I’m in, okay, now I’m going to move forward. Because I don’t want the other way, I can’t do it anymore. And it almost, until I understood what that really felt like and meant, I would always fall back. But then from that, I guess, deal with the universe or whatever you want to call it. It’s like, no, I’m, I’m serious. I’m, I’m, I’m in, you know, and my trajectory slowly changed, but it wasn’t a push. It was, it wasn’t a push to get there. It was much softer approach and accepting and surrendering to what is for sure. And I feel that’s where we, well, that’s what I got caught on anyway. It was pushing to get there, striving. Is there anything you’d like to add to that Lars?

Lars:
One thing is when we talk about the law of light, light in Aramaic is actually consciousness. And I think when we’re talking about all these things, we should always remember first and foremost that we are consciousness. Consciousness that is right now incarnated in a body with those limits that it’s all about. But remember that still, even when we are incarnated in a body, and entrapped there in a way, Spirit or consciousness is free. It’s a free agent. It can move anywhere. It can go anywhere. So always have this in mind that whatever we feel that restrict us or limit us, when we go into our practice, that’s where we can Everything that is concealed will be revealed when we go into practice, and we can expand our consciousness and let it go where we want it to go, and remember that we are not here for our own sake. We are here to share the gifts we were given before we came here, and we have decided to come in order to do it, but somehow, When we are incarnated, we seem to forget that very quickly, because we are told that that is not what this is all about. And the rebirth in this life is all about waking up to our real purpose. And that always happens midway in our lives. So when we go through storms or sickness or trouble, it has all to do with that rebirth. And it’s all about consciousness.

Guy:
Before we wrap up the podcast, I’m just aware of my time from this end. Lars, through the spectrum of your life, through your learnings, through your teachings, and what’s going on in humanity right now, there seems to be a lot of turmoil seems to be happening all around the world if we focus on it too much. Do you feel we’re progressing as humans, as individual souls with consciousness here on the planet?

Lars:
I feel that we are going through a state of purifying. And when that’s happening, the more, as you know, it’s said, you have heard this before, that the more light that comes into the world, the more shadow. are being cast, you know. And it’s a purifying process, I feel. And I feel that this is the lowest that we as mankind have ever reached, a point now where it cannot only… And I think we will have a short period now of more turmoil, of more squeezing and more, until we all wake up and decide to do something about it. Because we should remember that Though a lot of people say in the spiritual communities, yeah, everything is all right, everything is an illusion, and so forth, we should remember the reason why we have incarnated here is that we have come here to make a difference, or else we would not be here. So instead of just not taking responsibility for anything, remember that every one of us have a part in all the troubles that is surrounding us. And if we are not kind of being instrumental in the transformation that is going to happen, we need to share. And as Nadia rightly said, it’s all a symphony. We are not here for doing exactly the same thing, but without all the other instruments, it would be very, very difficult for the triangle, and I am the triangle, for example. to make some music, you know, so. This is what we really have to remember. There is a purpose for every one of us being here. And it is not for gathering more wealth, and being more selfish, or whatever, in order to get to some obscure goal that somebody said this is what it’s all about. And come back to our real purpose here. And that’s what we are trying to inspire in people through experiences.

Guy:
Yeah, beautiful. Thank you. I have no doubt. Yeah, absolutely. Big time, without a doubt. Yeah, without a doubt. And Naleea, I ask everyone on the show a question to wrap up the podcast, and I’ll ask you both, but I’ll start with you first, Naleea. And that is, with everything we’ve covered today within this conversation, what would you like to leave our listeners to ponder on?

Naleea:
something new, if I may. I have a prayer that I would love to share. It’s a prayer that is from the Psalm 119, that for the book, the Sacred Numbers of Initiation, The sound has been used there because it is connected to the 22 Aramaic letters, so every letter has eight verses. When we looked at the prayer, I have then paraphrased it and new interpreted it. So everything that was there in the duality is now brought to the unity consciousness that I am. So I would love to share that because I think it’s actually the essence. So this is the prayer for Dalit. I raise all worldly matters into your presence. Fill my life with your vibration. I need to start again because it’s about, so who am I addressing? heavenly source of all being. I raise all worldly matters into your presence. Fill my life with your vibration. I recounted my ways and you answered me. Guide me to see and share your blessings. Let me realize the vastness of your wisdom as I meditate on your wonders. When I walk the path of pain and sorrow, comfort and strengthen me in your light. I am the truth, the way, and the life. The grace of your presence is with me always. I have chosen the way of truth. My heart is filled with your light. I hold fast to your vibration. I will never lose my way. I am the path of your love, for your presence has set my heart free.

Guy:
Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. And Glaz, what would you love the listeners to ponder on to finish?

Lars:
Oh, I think everything has been said, you know. Remember who you really are and act accordingly.

Guy:
Beautiful. Where can people go to find out more about your work? I’ll make sure the links are in the show notes, guys.

Lars:
Oh, on my website. Actually, right, the other day, we have made the documentary on the Seer available for free on my website, larsmuhl.dk. And there’s an English version. You can go up in the right corner. of my website, and there’s an English flag, and you just press that, scroll down, and you’ll find the English version of the documentary. And it’s genuine footage when I met the seer, so you can also hear a little bit about him and the work, meeting with him. And there’s also a lot of other interesting things on that website, One of them is all the prayers that Nadia did for my latest book, the Sacred Numbers of Initiation. All the prayers from Psalm 119. She have spoken there, so there’s also audio of every one of them. And there’s also other footages, footage of different videos there. And there’s also, of course, where we going, and where will we be next week and all this stuff, a calendar.

Guy:
Beautiful. Well, look, thank you both for coming on the show. Lovely to meet you. And I genuinely feel we only scratched the surface today, you know.

Lars:
Yeah, we have. That’s how it is. And that’s also very, very good.

Guy:
Yes. Look, thank you kindly. Thank you.

Lars:
Yes, thank you very much.