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Christopher:
I fell backwards into this void, and I knew that was goodbye. I had a complete death experience. This angelic creature picked me up and said, come with me, I want to show you. I suddenly got to see why there is evil in the world, what the balance of the yin-yang is all about, how we are all consciousness. This book predicted there will one day be 10 billion, but we will never exceed it. And at 10 billion, there’s going to be a paradigm shift. There’s going to be an understanding that you are not you, Guy, and me, Chris, and her, Mary. We are one consciousness. We are one entity that will start to travel through the universe.

Guy:
Guy here. The episode you’re about to watch with Christopher Dean is being republished now. As you might know, my podcast channel reaches a lot more people than it did when this podcast was first aired. The second thing is I really want to bring it to your awareness because it’s a phenomenal episode with Chris. and if you’re curious about what his predictions were and through the channel text that he read it’s very extremely powerful message and that’s at the last 10 minutes of this podcast but i would encourage you of course to watch the whole podcast in its entirety because there is so much wisdom in you from his near-death experiences to his success and failures and the very techniques he used to visualize a lot of success that he’s achieved in his life. This podcast has it all and I’m really excited for you to be listening to it today. The last thing I want to mention as well is that during the podcast at one point Chris uses let’s say colorful language that might be offensive to some people. The language that was used is in context of the conversation but if If these things offend you, just know that you’ve been warned as well. And lastly, of course, let me know what you think of this episode. Let me know where you are in the world. And yeah, enjoy this conversation with Chris. And I hope to meet you and give you a hug in person one day somewhere at one of our retreats where there’s many going on, Croatia, Bali, Australia. Come join us five days down the rabbit hole. I promise you won’t regret it. Anyway, much love and heart from me. Enjoy this episode with Chris. Christopher, welcome to the podcast. Thanks, Guy. Delighted to be here. I have to say, well, the first thing I want to ask you is, and share with listeners as well, because I think there’s great wisdom in the question and from the conversation today, is that we met obviously at our retreat in January recently, and I’ve slowly been getting to know you since and your journey. And what was clear to me when you came in to our retreat, Christopher, was that you’re somebody that embodies the work already. You live it, you’ve created a life on your terms, it’s clear to see in not what you say, but how you are, okay? And the question I want to ask you, because I think it’ll be very valuable for people listening, is from somebody that is already on the day path, why did you come to our retreat at this stage in your life? Because, does that make sense?

Christopher:
Yeah, it’s a good question. Look, And thank you for that observation. One is never complete in this journey. I know that infinitely. I say that infinitely. But there has been a journey in my life that has been a delight. I feel I’ve had a blessed life and a great life. And along the way, I’ve picked up learnings and teachings. I did the path of love. I did a Kodoshka course. I did a few self reflective things. up at the Golden Door up in Currumbin. Self-development stuff, you try to get yourself to somewhere. And that has been holding a space for me, or I’m holding my space in it for some time, which includes meditation. Meditation was a big part of this life. I’ll tell you about that as we go along, because I did the most fantastic course called Alpha Dynamic. that transformed my life and has made everything else work more easily. And here I hit 72, right? And you start going, 70 is a very big number somehow. I don’t give a damn about getting old. I love getting old. I love my age. It’s not as slight as worry to me. When I hit 70, it sort of said, OK, you’ve crested the hill. There’s a kind of slide. A lot of people are dropping like flies around me. 75, that’s about the average. Might make it 80, 85. Who knows? It’s 10 years at the most in my life. And it’s not a time to start building an empire or creating some fabulous new thing. My question and the question I came to the retreat was, what What’s a useful way for me to use these last 10 years? And I wanted a refresher course to bring me back to say that I do not have a perfect life of harmony and bliss and like some yogi, not at all. I don’t pretend to be in that space. I’m very active and loving my life and busily trying to make things that will make money and do stuff and be creative. and enjoy lots of dances and parties and friends, people. So I know Sanyasin had gone out on his last journey walking the road on his own. So I came to your retreat thinking, what’s the useful thing for me? One of the things I’m trying to do with my wife is use up the inheritance from my kids because we had a windfall, got a nice pocket of money that gives my life comfortable. And we are happily spending it in various ways on ourselves, philanthropically gifting where we can, creating things that I think are valuable. And I’d like to talk about that. What I got from your trip was wonderful. I got to tell you, I’ve been to many. I really loved it. I’m not pissing in your pocket here. I. I was pleasantly surprised how deep it took me. You brought me to another level of meditation that I’ve never touched before where my whole kundalini shook and it’s been one of those things I’ve heard about and read about. You opened that gate and I think we had a little anecdote where we went into the forest and I found a big old tree that had crashed in the forest and it was Instead of looking at all the life and all the things that are energetically growing and the beautiful bursting green sap of life, I saw this old, big, dead tree lying there, full of mycelium, full of holes where little animals lived, obviously feeding the Earth, opened up the sky to allow young things to grow. It was a clear metaphor for me. That’s what I need to become. I’m going to be that old dead tree one day soon. And you can still do a lot of good in that role and not try to be the tallest tree in the forest. I’ve long past given up that aspiration.

Guy:
Yeah, nobody’s getting out of this alive, no matter how we look at it. Absolutely. And thank you for the kind words. It means a lot coming from you, Christopher. It really does. It’s a great cause. I’m curious to know what led you on leaning into this work initially. As you know, and I know you listen to the podcast, I’ve had many, many different guests and many, many different experiences. And there’s normally a point that makes people hungry and want to lean in as opposed to avoid the challenges and things that we have in our life. And it’s generally at some stage in our life. Where was it for you?

Christopher:
You know, reflecting on this thought, I could go back to when I was five years old. I can remember being dragged into a Catholic school environment, you know, and And they were teaching us about eternity and hell and damnation. And I got the whole Catholic full bottle. I was born in Africa. It was pretty wild there, the priest there. And I remember at five pondering these questions and thinking, what’s it all about? The meaning of life became an obsession at some point. And I did follow the Catholic ideas for a while until I finally came to the obvious adolescent conclusion at about 17. Any God that allows this shit to happen is not a benevolent God, with pedophiles and murder and war and shit. Something’s fucked up in that analysis of life, and I rejected Catholicism. But that left a big vacuum. I didn’t know where the meaning was. All I knew it wasn’t the dogma that I’d been taught. So I was 18, 19, going off to uni. Took a few good drugs, had my fun with a bit of acid and marijuana. And I got badly sick on red wine once and didn’t touch it again for 20 years. But I like the colored lights. But it was always, what’s this meaning? What’s the real meaning? Why are we here? And there was a big hole in my life. It was a vacuum. Here’s a quick anecdote. I don’t often say this out publicly. At 20, I had just started an arts degree. I’d been science for two years. I switched to arts. I’d done fine arts. I wanted to go down to Melbourne and see the brand new art gallery, the National Art Gallery. That was Easter weekend. We had four days off uni. I met a girl I knew for one week who was doing the course. We said, why don’t we hitch down to Melbourne together and go and have a look at this, you know, just a casual acquaintance. We hitchhiked for 24 hours. I had about $20 in my pocket. It was student days. We weren’t wealthy. And we were going to stay at a YMCA or something. We hitchhiked. We couldn’t get anything to eat the whole way down. Drove into Melbourne on Good Friday, symbolism of Catholics. Melbourne was dead. I’ve never seen a deader town in my life as Good Friday of Melbourne at that time. Remember, this is 50 years ago. Nothing open, not a 7-Eleven, not a YMCA, not a garage, nothing, nothing. Could not buy a hamburger, could not go and find a bed. So I walk around empty streets, nothing, no cars, everything shut, all black. I’m going, oh my God, what to do? She said, well, funny, I’ve got these two tabs. They’re called Hawaii and Sunshine, apparently some of the purest acid that ever came out of Switzerland. It’s an eight-way tab. Normally, you sit there and divide it up into eight little splinters, and eight people would have a happy party trip. But what the hell? We’re here. We won’t be able to sleep. There’s nowhere to sleep. So let’s take one each. Empty stomach, fasting, inner search, good Friday, took this monstrous tab of acid, I’m telling you. Well, guy, about half an hour later, I’m starting to lift off. The vibration’s happening. It’s hitting me like a rock. This was nothing like any party drugs that I’d ever had. And I went into this extraordinary space. I was trembling and quivering. I basically threw all my clothes off. I was jumping around all over the streets, jumping. I did the crazy shit. And then at some point, as the full effect hit me, I knew I was going to die. I was absolutely certain I was going to die. This was it. It was goodbye. And I remember standing on a little wall and spreading my arms, a bit of a Jesus complex. I felt like I was nailed on a cross. And I felt, you know that scene in the mission where the guy is crucified and goes over backwards in the waterfall? That was me. I fell backwards into this void. And I knew that was goodbye. I actually surrendered to a death. I’ve always been a bit embarrassed to say this near-death experience because people get smashed up in cars and die on the operating table and taking drugs isn’t usually the method but I had a complete death experience and I felt like I fell into this void that went for a thousand miles and I was just falling, falling, falling and I had completely surrendered and then this angelic creature something picked me up, something got underneath me and said, come with me, I want to show you. And there I suddenly, and this was after completely accepting I was dead, now took me onto this extraordinary journey. I liken it to traveling for 4,000 years around the universe, being shown everything. And I suddenly got to see why there is evil in the world, what the balance of the yin yang is all about, how we are all consciousness evolved. I got the whole thing in a download. And God, I can only wish it on every person on the planet. I consider it the greatest gift of my life. I got this moment of just being taken and shown it all made sense in a very beautiful, a geometry of consciousness coming together in one huge thing. And I was just a thread in this thread of extraordinary being. So the end of that story was I ended up in the hospital having been dragged in by the police with leather straps on my arms and strapped to a bed with Valium in my arm to bring me off the edge. From the external world, it looked like I was having a horrific time. But it was by far the most profound thing that ever happened to me. Those years, this is 50 years ago, I had no one I could talk to about that. No one got what that was about and thought, oh, geez, a crazy fucking trip. Excuse me, I swear now. I didn’t swear till I was 20, Catholic upbringing. Now I overcompensate. So you can blip the bat if you worry. I noticed you don’t worry. So that’s my blessing. I took that on. What it led to was a complete lack of fear about anything in the world, anything. All the terrible things we read in the papers and all the bombs that go off and the kids that are molested, the whole nine yards. I have, and I can’t put it in words, it’s called ineffable, have a realization of why Hitler existed to make us enjoy bliss. I mean, at some point you have compassion and love for all of those people. who’ve done the most terrible things on the planet, because that is a realization that comes from this gift. I saw extraordinary journey. So a long time I couldn’t talk about that with anyone and it was locked up in my head. By the way, I never took acid again. It was it. I’d been through the gate and I had my gift and I was so grateful. Some magical things happened as well. I take all day to tell you the whole story, but That took me along to say, well, there is meaning in life, there is purpose. I’m here and I want to do some good and I want to find how to get connected to that journey in a more fulfilled way. So that was the turning point. There have been many others.

Guy:
Can I ask you a question on that while we’re still on that point? Because it’s in, you probably don’t know this, but it relates to an experience I had with an ayahuasca ceremony where I was facing my own innermost fears because of taking mushrooms when I was a kid and not understanding and having this didn’t know how to conceptualize what happened to me at 14 years old. And then in my 30s, I went into a shamanic journey with ayahuasca to really, in a ceremony, obviously, and to lean into whatever was coming up to me. And that night, I actually thought I was going to die. I didn’t, but that complete surrender was the first time I’d ever experienced that in my life. And I was relating to what you just said about you know, 100% go, okay, you know, and then you finally let go. Yes. What did that moment do for you then moving forward? Because that’s a huge deal. Because I think, unconsciously, we kind of fear these, like, nobody talks about death and, you know, and all these different things. Not generally, like, we kind of, we kind of, there’s like a, one, we like, always remove, don’t we, one layer back until it’s in our face. Yeah, that moment of surrender. To me, it’s a gift.

Christopher:
It’s a gift because, From that day forward, there’s nothing to fear. And that holds people back too much. That holds people from doing things that they might otherwise take the chance on. So I can relate to that. And by the way, I didn’t instantly become a saint walking on water. I was still a crazy mixed up person and wondering what the hell to do with my life and went through all sorts of turmoils and issues and stuff. But it did start me looking more deeply. And it was about 20 years later when I finally started to hear stories of near-death experiences for the first time. Because I tried telling people and got no responses. And I was then able to go, oh my god, I’m not the only one. Ah, there’s a whole field. I started to hear these incredible tales. I started to read them and listen. So that was very, very assuring that I knew I wasn’t crazy. And one of the reasons I fell in love with your podcast is you talk to my heroes. And I don’t pretend to be in the class of these people, but people like my dearest friend, actually, Bruce Lipton, who I’m going to see in two days’ time in Melbourne. I’m so happy to go down and join with him. Joe Dispenza, Lynn McTaggart, these are the people that have always been my heroes, I call them. Neil Walsh. I think Conversations with God was a turning point for me as an old Catholic. And then I read Neal Walsh’s View of Life, and I went, yes, yes, yes, yes, all the way. Fantastic series of books. So I love him. And I think finally, I got to Michael Newton. And again, I think the very first podcast I heard of yours was the Australian guy. I can’t remember his name. Peter Smith. Peter Smith, thanks. He was the man who held together Michael Newton’s work, Journey of the Soul. And if I could summarize in a sentence what I’m about, it’s to understand this journey of the soul, because it’s way bigger than this physical stuff. That’s important. Our bodies are important, but they’re not the whole story. And so those heroes that you interview, heroes to me, are about consciousness and the understanding of the exploration of the meaning of life and where we are, why we’re here and what it’s all about. That’s the whole journey to me. And it’s a joy to be part of it. And I don’t profess to know it or understand it all, but I do feel it took me along a few steps. I started a business career and I enjoyed that. even though I don’t look like one now. And I ran a company called Thursday Plantation. We made tea tree oil and it was a fabulous company. I loved it. I loved everything about growing it. We started in absolute abject poverty and living in the bush in an old tin. Recycled wooden shack in a swamp. I mean, I had no money at all and just built this through the love of tea tree and what it could do for humanity. and got that going, and it became a fantastic business. And in the end, 33 years later, we were able to sell it for a nice, handsome sum. And it was a business fulfillment in a way that set me up with a pocket of cash and a good feeling that I’d done something. And that led me to another journey with a company called Organic India. chairman of this company, founded on the most pure principles you can imagine. but that was floundering from a business sense. And I was able to bring the experience of that, help the fantastic people in that company orientate themselves, get going. And Organic India went on to become a very successful company and 10 years there.

Guy:
And these are the things I find fascinating as somebody that’s, I guess, kind of grown a company and then sold out and now really trying to align in my passion and grow a company at the same time and really bring something to the table that I feel will truly benefit people and humanity in general. And I’m fascinated by you, Chris, because of your experiences and your success with companies. How much did they support each other in terms of going in that trajectory, because it’s so common, I see, especially that people come to our retreats and workspace, they’ve been just in a corporate ladder, or they’ve just been following the steps, as I guess, as we perceive to see, or do. And there comes a point where there’s a much deeper inner pull, and they don’t know how to work with it. But yeah, you’re somebody that kind of

Christopher:
like even just saying when you set up your tea tree all you know you had no money you’re out in the jungle you just you kind of go with it yeah it’s true well again with nothing to fear you don’t fear living in the jungle with no money and you know worrying how you’re going to feed your kids next week it’s just I think you’re doing it in your own way, Guy, exactly the same as I did. You’re doing something. You need to be sustainable. You need to make money. You need to make it keep growing. I wanted to put a bottle of tea tree oil in everybody’s home. That was my mission. And I thought of ways to get that done and eventually got there. The thing that drove me is I was now doing a business that was doing good on the planet, was bringing something of value to other people. It was helping save the environment. We planted millions, millions and millions of tea trees. We brought essential oil that was fantastic for people’s personal bodily needs, you know, medicine getting a bottle. But way beyond that, and I remember you talking about this in your retreat, it wasn’t just my business. I respected all the people that worked with me. My wife, of course, was a big partner, and then a lot of other workers. We ended up with close to 300 employees in business around the world, contacts all over the place. Every one of them was important to me to make their life better. By making their life better, I was making the total sum of humanity and consciousness better. So it was a very selfish motivation. I wanted to feel good by knowing they were feeling good. The business had to be sustainable. I worked at it. It took me a long time, because they used to think profit was a dirty word. And then I came to the conclusion, actually, profit done well allows you to continue to do what you need to do to make a good thing happen. A good thing is a business people feel good about coming to that gives them money to buy their swimming pool and go on their holidays, that does good in terms of delivering something that doesn’t toxify the planet. I’m not making napalm or god-awful things that I could have been as a scientist. So that need to do good, and that was tenfold true of the second company that I had a part of helping, which was Organic India, trying to help the farmers who were being poisoned by the Green Revolution with chemical poisons. to become organic. Believe it or not, we had to go and teach Indians how to be organic farmers because they’d been so poisoned, no other word, by the great big green farmer approach to drugging the earth to squeeze out every cent of whatever you could get. And so that was another goodness. And the company was run on incredible principles. The founders are just the most amazing people. And they said, Our company is a vehicle of consciousness. And I think that just resonated so well with me. This is a company I can support to the max, because everything they do, the way they treat employees, the way they make money and share it and give people participation. Like in our company, we made all the employees available to buy shares and to become part of the company. And our company grew. Those shares became very valuable, and a lot of people did very well out of it. And to me, that was the thrill. It wasn’t about how much could I make. Yeah, I want to make a lot, and I did that, and I did well. But making it on my own would have been a much, much less achievement than seeing so many other people benefit as well. And I think, Guy, your business is a beautiful example of a vehicle of consciousness. And it deserves to be profitable and deserves to make money. But that’s not the motivation or the reason you do it. But it’s a necessary condition to allow your business to flourish, to become bigger, because your business can reach everyone on the planet. And ultimately, it’s got such fantastic opportunity there for changing people’s way of thinking in life. I said, did mine.

Guy:
Thank you. You’re welcome. Thank you. Absolutely. I want to talk to you a little bit about intuition as well and leaning into those aspects, because clearly you live intuitively as well. And again, I think through modern Western society, we kind of remove ourselves from that aspect and we just keep going more logical, more logical brain and we get rooted into the analytics of everything, which is needed. But obviously coming beyond that and trusting something far greater. And you seem, from what I can see on the outside, have navigated your life in such a way. Because even when we spoke off air the other day, you made certain big decisions. intuitively, not through what was presented in front of you. Is that something that you practice and developed because of this kind of work that we talk about, what we do at the retreats, or is this something that’s innate in you or came from after your near-death experience? I’m fascinated.

Christopher:
Yeah, it’s a very good question. It’s not innate in me. I think I’m a troglodyte when it comes to using intuition and believing it. I believed it. I wanted it to be true, but I wasn’t. I was very thick, I’ll tell you. And another blessed moment in my life was actually because my business was floundering. I hadn’t a bloody clue about business. I had six years of university academia. I didn’t know what a spreadsheet was. I didn’t have a clue how to make a business work. And I was struggling with this idea, and every time I did my calculations, my business was going nowhere. And so I went along thinking I was going to do a business course. I saw an advertisement on TV, fix your business, fix your relationships, fix everything in your life. Come and do this alpha dynamic course. And I honestly thought I was going to be taught how to teach a spreadsheet, because I’ve been told by a business advisor, you need to learn business. I went along to this course. It was a four-day course. Again, the most mind-blowing thing I’ve done almost in my life, it was up there, peak turning point. And this guy brought this teaching where you went into an alpha meditation, and you can do it very quickly. But he said it’s very active. It’s creative visualization. Before the secret, before all that stuff became commonplace, the first time I’d ever heard anything like this. He said, we get into the alpha state, then we get into a workshop of the mind, it used to be called that, in America, the workshop of the mind, it’s now called the silver method, still going. And from this workshop, when you’re in this alpha state, you have a screen, it was also called screen of the mind, a big white screen, and on this screen, you don’t project, you allow the universe to bring you images and the most extraordinary thing is you predict the time in the future and you put on that screen or you’re allowed to come into the screen, you know, whatever day it is, the middle of March in 2033, 10 years from now, we’re going to what will be happening with my life? What’s the state of my business? What’s the perfect outcome for my journey? And I would sit in this meditative state, which you can get into in five minutes. And I do a chakra thing. That’s why that sits behind me. I love the whole chakra balance. And I would start to visualize, where will I be living? How will my business be going? And images would flash up. And we were taught to trust that intuition. And amazing how. So much of what I saw, I put it at 80% at least, came absolutely true. Very high. You get a high distinction at uni for 80%. Everything was showing up with a huge amount of accuracy. Now, I couldn’t believe it. I’ll give you the anecdote. At the course, day three for the scientifically minded, because I was a scientist. That’s my first study, and I love facts and data. There were 40 people in the class. He said, pair up with someone you’ve never met before. During the break, I want you to write on a piece of paper something about someone you know that they couldn’t know who has had an illness, a physical illness of some sort. And I want you to write the details about that. It will be sealed in an envelope and handed to a third party so no one can interfere with it. I love this sort of science. And he said, now find your partner. You now do your meditation together. One will do it. The other will stay normal. And so I got to go into the meditation first. And I’m there, I’m sitting there. He said, now bring that person in your mind. What we were told, you tell them the first name, their age, and where they live, just so you couldn’t get confused and pick the wrong person. So I got Mary 42, Perth. OK, I’m looking for Mary 42. Suddenly, this woman comes into my thing. She’s hunched over, she’s small, she’s got long, wavy brown hair. She’s breathing heavily, asthmatically, like really wheezy. I see this woman in my thing. So I describe her. By the way, I had a third party scribing one of the helpers, writing down all that I was saying. And I’m saying the description. And then he said, use your intuition. See what you can do. I looked at this woman. I said, well, the problem’s inside here in the lungs. I need to get in there. So he said, you can do anything. It’s a magic world. Go where you like. So I made myself very small. I went down her throat. And I’m climbing down into the air passage to see what’s going on with the lungs. And I came to where the lungs should bifurcate into two. And I said, I remember the very words. I said, oh my God, I’ve got here. But there’s a big hole where her lung should be, one of her lungs. The other one’s there. But this one, it’s like she got shot in the chest with a cannonball. It’s the words I used. And there’s a hole there. I said, well, I’m going into the other one. I went into the lung. And it’s covered in brown, sticky tar. The whole thing is clogged. No wonder she’s having trouble breathing. And he said, if you could do any good, do something, you know, on the basis of do no harm, see if you can help. So I’m in there, I said, oh, you know, I’ve got to get rid of this tar so she can breathe. So I got myself a magic tool kit. So I got down a scraper, like the side of a boat, scraping the barnacles off. I’ve got a spray thing and I sprayed it down and hosed it down. I realized all this gunk was going into the bottom of my lung and I didn’t know how to get it out. I did 10 minutes of this work. I was sweating at the end of it. I felt like I’d really worked. And it all sounded crazy to me. How the hell would I know what’s going on with this woman? So then that was it. Session over, I pulled up, opened my eyes. This poor guy in front of me was white as a sheet. He said, oh, my God, you’ve described perfectly my twin sister. We lived in Wollongong. at the foot of a coal colliery. And the coal dust would come up every night and settle down all over us. All the clotheslines went black, everything. She breathed that coal dust. She got emphysema. At the age of nine, she had her left lung removed, the one I’d seen. And of course, this coal tar, it’s a permanent condition, does not leave the lungs. So she’s had emphysema all her life. She’s had to go to Perth for dry air. This is a long time ago, probably before you were born. There were not mobile phones. There were not instant communication. A phone call to Perth was you book it up or you had a long telegraph call. So he goes home. This guy was a very wealthy man. He’d made a fortune in microwave technology. And he had one of the world’s first answering phones, which was a reel-to-reel tape recorder like this size, big. So he goes home, because I’m blown away. I got it accurate. That was one big amazement. Remote viewing, I now believe in it, obviously. But then I got, we went home that night. We had one more day left of the course. We came back. And he said, Chris, you won’t believe it. I got home, and there’s a message on my answering. And my sister rings me twice a year. She rings me at Christmas. She rings me for my birthday. That’s how it works. And that’s all. You don’t just have a chat. How’s the weather? But there’s this answering phone. And she said to her friend, her brother, I was having a terrible week with emphysema. I was struggling. I was feeling really down. And then I had this strong sense of your presence, not me, but him. I remember I was channeling through him. You came into me, and I suddenly felt better. And everything improved, and I had to ring and tell you. I needed you to know. So fine. What am I to do? I’m a skeptic. I thought this was all bullshit. I didn’t believe in any of that fairy magic, honestly. And here I am as this. And now, 40 people in the class did that. He got everyone up at the end of that session and said, who registered something that was really definite? 27 people out of 40 had an experience like that. I wasn’t unique. But that gave me such confidence that there is more to life than you can measure in a lab. It was so much more going on. And so that was a huge thing for me. And I started to use that alpha dynamic. I still do to this day. When I have an issue and I want to know how to resolve it, when I want to think through the house I live in, I saw 10 years before I bought it. It was the last sort of house I think I’d want. I didn’t want a place. I wanted a place with a view, so I’d be looking over water. I wanted all aluminum and sliding and no maintenance. And I ended up with an old wooden house with no view. It’s this perfect house. But I saw this house. 10 years later, I discovered it. By the way, don’t pin it on the wall and pray for it every day. Once you’ve done the work, it happens. It manifests. So this alpha dynamic gave me a tool that I have shared with everybody I could. I even did it with one of our associates at your retreat. who was needing to help work herself into another place. And I did it with my board. I did it with my employees. We would all sit around. When I went to Organic India, the first thing I did, I got 30 people in the room, all the middle management and the team that we needed to transform. And we spent three days virtually working through alpha. visualizing what would this company look like in 10 years. And we saw things like Deepak Chopra and Opera being part of us. We saw our products all over the world. We saw ourselves doing great. We saw the farmers being happy and successful. 10 years later, 100%, 100%. And we built the most amazing factory that is like a university campus and a delight, a place with gardens and where the workers get really looked after, beautiful meals, that is also a very profitable company, not frightened of profit. I was, as a radical left-wing student, thinking profit was a dirty word. One day, I had a course that said, no, you need to make a profit so you can sustainably offer goods and services that people need, not just want, but need and can do good for them. So Alpha has been a blessing for me.

Guy:
Yes, that’s an amazing story. And what I love is that when we have, there’s nothing can beat an experience. Because once we have an experience and feel it and see it and witness it for ourselves, it changes, it shatters belief systems that are bubbling under the surface, dictating our thoughts, right? So are you envisaging a screen in your meditation? Is that what you’re doing?

Christopher:
That was the device. This was a guy who traveled the East for 10 years and then said, look, it’s the McDonald’s version of living in a bloody cave for 30 years and trying to become that enlightened guru that we all kind of know about but nobody wants to do. And he said, I’ve got to short circuit this. I’ve got to bring it down. And by creating a workshop, which is just a room in some imaginary garden somewhere in a peaceful place, You walk into the workshop, and you put up a white screen, and you have a beautiful chair. I mean, you always have the best business class lounge, fantastic comfy chair. You’re looking up into the screen. Why do you do all that? Because it gets the Western mind out of the way. You’re sitting somewhere. You know what a screen looks like. Now let’s see what comes on. And that’s the real magic. As things start to show up, you’re allowing yourself to connect with the consciousness of the universe. As you’re probably aware, everything has already existed and exists now. Everything, everywhere is now. There is no other time. And all we are doing is feeling our way through this moment into different places and creating this perception that we’re growing older and all that. Look, I struggle with this as a scientist because it seems to be one-dimensional to me, but there’s even moments now where scientists are saying we can interact with the past and change it. So there is a lot of exploration of consciousness going on at the moment. And this is one of the manifestations of that. But I’ll tell you how hopeless I am at intuition and this. One of my loves, having read Lynn McTaggart’s The Field, and then she did The Intention Experiment, and I love that book. And I love the fact it was scientifically saying, How can intention affect matter? Like how did I affect that woman’s lungs when I never even knew who the hell she was? And yet she gave us that positive reinforcement. So I’ve kind of explored that arena and the The thing that tickled my fancy was, is spoon bending real? You know, that’s a practical demonstration. My wife was a deep skeptic. So that’s all nonsense. They just put some chemical on. They just bullshit. They bend it when you’re not looking. She’s a very practical woman, a beautiful woman, but very cynical. And I’m going, I don’t know. I think there’s something in it. A friend of mine, coincidentally, said, look, I’ve met this woman in America. She’s just extraordinary. Went to a spoon bending party. Chris, you’ve got to meet her. You’ve got to meet her. You’ve got to see her. So we got in contact. And I said, why don’t you come to Byron Bay? And if you’re any good, I’ll set it up. You can do some spoon bending over here. The first time she came, we just did one little exercise. But she was so blew me away. I said, you’ve got to come back. And I took her to Byron Bay, of course, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Gold Coast. I had five big sessions. And I advertised them on Facebook or whatever. We got 40, 50 people to most, some 60 people would come to these sessions. I said, bring your spoons. We’re not going to do any fake stuff. And she had her little technique of getting you off your mind and out of this Marina and take out your spoon and do this now. Boom. Watch it bend. And it just bent like wet spaghetti. I mean, his spoons were just unbelievable. Again, around 80% of that group all did it. Guess who couldn’t fucking do it? I could not still bend a damn spoon. It shits me. So I go, come on, bend fucking. Cause that’s my mind. My mind is very, linear and wants to see things and understand why they work. But guess who can bend spoons on her ear? My wife, no problem. So she could just, she has a party trick, she’ll pick something up and just go, watch, boom, and off it goes. And there’s no doubt this is real. We are intention-affecting matter. That’s been a fascination in my life for a long time, this whole story of how our consciousness interacts with the universe And things change. I had the great thrill of bringing Masaru Emoto to Australia the first time, the guy who did the water magic. I met him in Bath. I got fascinated by water and I went to one of his sessions in Bath. I said, if you’re ever in the area, come and visit. Anyway, he turned up in Cairns and I said, we’ll fly you down. We’ll have a session in Byron Bay. He said, well, before he became famous, he became famous through I think it was what the bleep yeah and I was just fascinated by his I was also very suspicious of if he was a genuine scientist you know I thought this he’s just selected a couple of slides and and you know making an interpretation on it but in fact he he turned out to be an extraordinarily wonderful man and watching him manifesting change in water by just putting words on it. I did the same thing. I got to prove to myself whether he was nonsense or not. I got some carrot juice. And a week before he was due, I put the carrot juice in two jars. I did it properly. I sterilized the jars. I made it identical. I put them in the same space. And I wrote, I love you on one and I hate you on the other. And every day I would look at the jars and I’d send love and I’ll send hate. And one week later, that’s all it took. That carrot juice that I had been hating had turned into a brown, stinking, fecal mess. It looked disgusting. It didn’t want to take the lid off. It was going to be awful. And the one I love you had turned into clarified tea, tea before you put the milk in. It just looked like that. And it looked sweet. And they do this with rice all the time in Japan. They separate the rice, and I think you may have mentioned it, or Matt might have mentioned it. You put the rice in the I love you position, or I hate you, and they sometimes do it a third one that you ignore. The I hate you turns into the brown, stinky, looks awful, smells awful, you don’t want to touch it. The I love you becomes like me, like sweet. the sweetness comes out and that you could literally eat it a month later and you just know it’s going to be safe. But the one that’s worst of all is the one that you ignore. So our children who are ignored, people who don’t get love, people who don’t get affectionate touch, wither and die. It’s just tragic. I’m a great believer in affectionate touch and living in a community where we share In fact, your noble question, which I was ready for and you never gave it to me was, what do you do in your daily life? You never gave me that. But I had an answer for you because my passion is to create community. And so I’m using my superannuation money. to build little communities on farms where we can add cabins legally. We are allowed to build these expanded pavilion homes. We build a house with six bedrooms, and each one is a self-contained unit on a beautiful environment. And they’re cheap. They’re affordable. Byron Bay is desperately short of affordable accommodation. We’ve got to bring it down to where people live, because we’re losing all our wonderful creative people and hardworking people, all going out to Kiogaloo. Exactly, they just can’t live here anymore. It’s a tragedy. So I’m trying to do a bunch like that and get I’ve got a little cluster of 22 I’m trying to put together and it Instead of having a wanky place on Bollinger where I get, you know, two and a half thousand dollars a week I’m doing this I’ll get as much or more but I’ll now have 20 people living there in a happy environment, creating a sense of community. Community, guys, is one of the best drugs on the world, on Earth. It gives you immunity, it gives you strength, it gives you longevity, it gives you happiness. You know, when you’re sick, someone brings you chicken soup. It’s all of that. And we’re lacking it. We’ve driven it away so much in our lives. I want to build it back.

Guy:
Amazing, amazing. Thank you for sharing all that. Yes, hence why we call our work Reconnected, our retreats, because that connection, that coming back together, you know, and it is fascinating what you share. And just to reinforce people for listeners, because with the power of intention as well, and everything, if you like, like you share, everything is vibration. And Because I’ve done Lynne McTaggart’s work, I did her Better Healing course, Become a Better Healer quite a few years ago, and was fascinated. I had her on the podcast a while back, actually, but was fascinated about her power of eight groups. And we kind of morphed into our own healing circles at the retreats. But for one instance, we had one lady who fully surrendered in the middle. I think this was at the last August retreat, the last five night of Before Yours. But she had been told she was going to die, and she had been preparing herself to die. But she had this hugely strong will, and in that healing process, she completely surrendered and saw her future self come to her healed. And she connected with her future self in that moment. And when you have these experiences, it just lights something in you, doesn’t it? I know it did for me. A flame gets fanned and you’re like, oh! And she’s still doing amazing, taking amazing strides to this day now from these things. I’m just a huge fan of curiosity. My wish and the reason why I do these podcasts as well is to allow people to have access and hopefully become more curious and skeptical is fine, but lean in and explore the possibilities of it all. Because I think it’s like the biggest kept secret that only if everyone knew about and could have a taste of what it is, I think would be a much more Compassionate, caring, loving, race, full stop.

Christopher:
Your work is so important. You are opening gates for people. I know that. I’m grateful to have touched base with you. And I repeat what I said, I love your podcast. I love that you bring these, my heroes. And I don’t put myself in the same category. I’m just, I’m an ordinary guy figuring out, and I’m a businessman and I like sex. I never even told you about my passions. My passion is for the feminine, the need to bring the feminine back onto this planet and I even heard you say that in the sessions. I did anthropology in my major at university and I learned the roles of male and female, masculine and feminine roles, doesn’t matter what’s between your legs, we all have both and the feminine is what nurtures relationships, what keeps people together, what grows things. The feminine is, you know, in Kodoshka, another fantastic course I did about human sexuality and its place in the universe, and everything, everything on the planet, they say is sparked by the masculine spark that’s incubated in the feminine. The feminine is what grows and makes things happen. The masculine has to spark it. So we don’t deny the masculinity. It’s important. But it’s not everything. And we’ve got such a fucking planet now that wants nuclear subs and let’s have war with China and is belly aching on about who they hate. Such masculine bullshit going on. I can’t stand it. And if we bring that feminine of care, you want to make everybody’s life better, richer, healthier. That’s the feminine rule. So my real passion has turned to carving marble because I’ve always loved art. And so I thought, well, you know, I want something meaningful about it. I went straight to the womb, the womb. People think it’s the vagina, but actually like the womb is my mecca. But the doorway to the womb happened to be a vagina. So I love vaginas, too. And I do a lot of sculptures about that area. People think they probably don’t really get what I’m on about. A lot of people think it’s just a pornographic art. But in fact, I’m saying the biggest swear word on the planet today in English is cunt. If you’re a cunt, you’re the worst of all the types. It’s my favorite word. I love that. And a very good lesbian friend of mine is cherishing that word and saying she really wants people to love and appreciate that word. And understand that, why would we denigrate that organ to being the worst thing you could call somebody when it is the most sacred thing? It’s the opposite. We are demeaning and putting down what is the most sacred thing on the planet, this energy that grows and nurtures and loves. Men are great, and don’t get me wrong, I’ve been in men’s group and I love men too, in a non-sexual way. But they fix the gutters. They get the roads working. They make sure planes go on time. That’s a masculine energy that drives things in the built environment to work well. And you need that. That’s not insignificant. But the feminine remembers Uncle Charlie’s birthday, remembers that funeral we’re supposed to go to, remembers that we’ve got to celebrate Christmas, and have you done the shopping, and all that. That bringing together of the network And that’s what’s so lacking in this planet today. It’s tragic how we’ve crushed that underfoot. And women are so put down, or have been. Thank God they’re coming back. But that’s what my art’s about. So I happily carved this beautiful Italian marble. I’ve set up a little sculpting school.

Guy:
And I was going to say, for people listening to this and they happen to be passing Byron Bay, are they able to come and see your sculptures or do you do workshops and things like that?

Christopher:
We have a couple of workshops a year. They’re very small scale. I don’t advertise them and word of mouth. Basically, anyone wanted to try and hook in on it, get on, find me on Facebook and send me a message. That’s the best way. And we’ll we’ll link you up. I have this brilliant teacher, Osama Al Nassar, from Italy. He lives and works at the foot of Michelangelo’s quarry, right up in the mountains of marble in Carrara. He’s a brilliant artist and a brilliant teacher and he has also fallen in love with Byron Bay, so he comes and spends a couple of months a year with us. We get people in and he loves to teach from absolute beginners to the most advanced sculptors. And there again, I like to make sculptures, but I get a much bigger thrill from watching 12 other people making beautiful works and know that I’ve helped facilitate that. That’s my passion. So I’m loving it.

Guy:
Beautiful. Last couple of questions for you before we wrap her up, Chris. The first one is, how do you see the future going in terms of humanity? Are you hopeful? Are you excited? Are you ready? Where do you sit on everything?

Christopher:
I’m an optimist and I’m very hopeful about humanity. I think we are a part of a very extraordinary time unfolding. I’m a great believer in this. It’s a long story, gotta take another 45 minutes, but I’ll go as quick as I can. Many years ago, when I was 20, just after that experience, I read a book, 1968, called The Star Seed Transmission. And I got together reading that book and a theory about where we’re going as a human species. At that time, there were 4.2 billion people on the planet. This book predicted there will one day be 10 billion, but we will never exceed it. This is 50 years ago, remember. The book predicted all that would happen until 2030. It’s been absolutely spot on. This was a prescient piece of channeled work. The guy said I channeled it from the Pleiades, from the stars, and I’m telling the story. And in that book, he talked about the power of 10, 10 to the power of 10 as a paradigm shift or a consciousness change. Smallest thing in the world is a hydrogen atom, physical matter. So we’ve got a proton, electron, tiny thing. Not very much happens. But if you link up hydrogens and join them up, you get carbon dioxide and you tritium and you get stuff, physical stuff. You need, and this is an approximate, don’t get me scientifically bogged in this, but approximately 10 billion, 10 to the power of 10 of these hydrogens linked up, you have a paradigm shift available when they hook up and create the first ribonucleic acid, RNA. Now you’ve got a sophisticated molecule that can unwrap, make two of itself. It’s a virus, right? A tiny, it’s a consciousness change from inorganic stuff to something that’s now living. 10 billion strands of RNA that decide to get together and cooperate will create a thing called an amoeba. A single cell now has a nucleus, has a cell wall, has cytoplasm. It’s a consciousness shift. This is a much more complex thing than a single RNA strand. And it’s able to move around and eat and separate and get on with life. 10 billion of those, the frontal lobe of your brain, This area that is very intense, 10 billion cells hanging together, a heart, a lung, a kidney, a shellfish, a mollusk, a snail, 10 billion amoebas that decide to cooperate become a very much more complex creature and a much more sophisticated. It’s a consciousness-shaped paradigm shift. So go back to who we are, Gaia. Because the real answer to your story in my book is gyre is the thing that is coming alive. Gyre is this lump of rock that manifests into the space that got fertilized somehow. We got fertilized with life. In this book, it said, you’ll go to every other planet. We’d not even got to the moon then. And you’re not going to find any life on them. Bad luck. You’re going to go out thinking, where is it? You are the one. You’re the egg in the, womb of the solar system that got fertilized. You got it. And your fertility is now manifesting. Everything is evolving and growing. And guess who the peak intelligence of Earth is? You are. Humans. It’s not white ants and it’s not dolphins. They are extraordinary intelligence and they’re all part of this Gaia manifesting, of course. But you’ve got a stewardship role. Human beings are going to be very integral to the governance of this planet as we’re learning. And so we now are looking at having fucked up this planet for a long time. How can we restore and repair it? So go back to 10 billion. He said, 10 billion of you humans, you’ll freak out and think, oh, that’s way too many, too much resources. No, there’s tons of water. There’s tons of energy. There’s tons of everything you need. And you’ll get to 10 billion, won’t get beyond it. And that’s exactly where the curves are. I’ve been watching these curves for 45 years. They do not exceed 10 billion. So we’ll get to that number. It said at this time, as you approach that number, we’re at 8 billion now, you will start to see a web emerge. None of this existed in 1967 when the book was written. A web will emerge which will link everything with everything. And this will become a consciousness of your planet. And you will be searching for your origins. You’ll be putting up SETI, search for extraterrestrial intelligence. You’ll be sticking up Hubble and its equivalent, James Webb, trying to see what’s out there. Where’s mom? Where’s dad? Where do we come from? What’s that? You’ll start to connect. And this is actually Gaia. becoming alive. It’s the consciousness of the planet that will start to morph. And at 10 billion, it predicted, take my word on that, there’s going to be a paradigm shift. There’s going to be an understanding that you are not you guy and me, Chris, and her, Mary. We are one consciousness. We are one entity that will start to travel through the universe. not in a tin can with a bit of petrol. That’s a nonsense. I knew as a scientist that’s never how we’re going to get the stars or get around. We’re going to get travel at this quantum level, at this experiential level where we will instantly be anywhere in the universe. And as I know, I could be in Perth inside this woman’s body like that. I know that we could be anywhere in the universe instantly and we can have full awareness and that’s our destination. I don’t have any doubt that humanity, we’re better than cockroaches at survival. We can survive anywhere in the Antarctic, up on the top of a mountain, in the bottom of a crater. We’re survivors. And I’ll tell you another story. Pinker’s done a study over 10,000 years. Humanity has never been in a better position than it is today. There’s much less morbidity, much less death per capita, much better health, life expectancy, all these things, none of which you read about in the press. All you ever read about is a car bomb in Tehran where 12 people got killed. Oh, for fuck’s sake, in the box of rebellion, a tiny little rebellion in China 115 years ago, 20 million people got killed. I mean, in relative proportions, we’re much less. Ukraine’s horrible, and we’re worrying about stuff. But it’s a flea bite in a population of 8 billion compared to what used to happen. And there’s been every 100 years or every 10 years they’ve done it, there is a lessening of violent crime, of violence against humanity. And that counts World War I and World War II. It’s a very, very interesting study he did. to show that we’re actually, as a species, getting better. And our life expectancies are better, and our opportunities are better. When I read that book, there was 15% of the world that had a middle class existence of health and education and living a good life. Today, it’s 60%. And that was predicted in the book, 60%. That’s the biggest increase in wealth and sustainability in humanity that’s ever been by far. So if we stop focusing on the negativity that is fed to us as a fear thing, you understand that, to keep you reading the papers, to keep Murdoch richer. and start to see the big picture is wonderful. And look where we live. You live, I live in paradise. We live in this gorgeous world. You know, when I travel all over the world, I’ve just recently been in Mexico and Italy and San Francisco. And yeah, I saw some poverty and I saw some sad stuff around the edges. Of course, it’s there. I’m not denying that. But what I saw was millions of people loving where they are, loving their life, living in paradise, but terrified to pick up the paper because they might read about this horrible thing that’s happened on the other side of the planet. So where am I? I think humanity is going to do fine. I think we’ll get past this fear laden decade that we’re in. And I believe there’s a huge hope for us to become citizens of the universe, citizens of the galaxies. I’ve gone down the rabbit hole, by the way, from a total skeptic thing. It was all bullshit, like I did about natural medicine once and remote viewing. I’m down the rabbit hole of alien contact now and watching out. And again, I’ve had one tiny experience of seeing three little lights whizzing around in the sky that could not have been explained by anything than some sort of extraterrestrial, some sort of energy that we can’t control. amazing stuff. I saw that when I was in my late 20s in Sydney. But I see so many people having these experiences now. There’s so much of this going on and there are extraordinary stories about people connecting with alien entities and craft that can do amazing things, travel through the universe, travel through time, or granting people with getting in contact. Now, they’re not all lying. They’re not all bullshit. They’re not all crap. There’s something in that. And while I haven’t had that experience personally, I’ve got to stop being a skeptic. I didn’t believe people could bend spoons once. And I’ve seen so much of that. But even though I can’t, I don’t doubt it. That to me, there is this it’s a bit of a so what to all of this. So what? So who cares? It’s going to happen or it’s not going to happen. Doesn’t matter. We just live our lives. We get through the day. But I am an optimist. I think the world is getting better despite, you know, having some horrible things forced on us by Big Pharma and blah, blah, blah. I could give you all the bad stories because I know them personally. I got fucked over by Big Pharma when I did my tea tree oil business. And we had an example where they completely dishonestly treated tea tree oil, created a headline in Europe to make out it was a toxic, poisonous, dangerous substance. And it was such a lie. And they did a very effective. They went from selling 90 tons of tea tree oil a year in Germany to selling four times overnight because they knew exactly what they were doing. They wanted to shut us down. And it took me three years and millions of dollars of government help to prove that that was all bullshit. And it was seven years later that a director of, he won’t name the evil company based in Germany that did the work, but they deliberately set out to scuttle teacher because it was too good to affect. So I can tell you the bad stories, but let me tell you the good stories far outweighed. And we should realize that. There’s a lot of good in this planet.

Guy:
Yeah, thank you, Christopher. I’m glad I asked the question. I can see that being a highlight reel when I let people know this podcast is out. Truly, that’s very inspiring. I’ve never thought of it like that. Last question to wrap things up and considering all the listeners that’ll be listening, tuning in and wherever they are, doing circumstances, everything, and the conversation we’ve had today. Is there anything you’d like to leave them to ponder on?

Christopher:
I would like to share something Anita Moorjani taught me. I met Anita Moorjani and Ibn Alexander, both extremely interesting near-death experiences that people should read if they get a chance. Fantastic. Ibn Alexander? Ibn Alexander, yeah. Proof of Heaven. Fantastic book. And Anita wrote Dying to be Me. And Anita says it best, that having had that experience, there is absolutely nothing to fear. That’s the first moral, first thing I’d like to leave somebody with. And the second thing is, whenever you have to make a decision and you’re in some sort of dilemma and you’re not sure what to do, choose what will bring you joy. Because when you choose joy, you are choosing the path, your path. And it’s effective. And that will affect everyone around you to bring them joy. So nothing to fear. Choose joy. That’s what I’d like to leave with people.

Guy:
Beautiful. Christopher, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I really appreciate it. Honestly, I’m so happy our paths crossed and to be able to sit down with you today and have this conversation and share it with people. For many, many years to come, people will be tuning in and dropping in and listening. So it’s, yeah, thank you. Thank you so much.

Christopher:
Thank you so much. I love the way you bring this stuff out of us. You’ve done it with me too, so it’s a pleasure talking to you, Guy.

Guy:
Thanks, Fred. Thank you.