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Guy (00:11):
Beautiful. We are recording Mary or welcome back to the podcast.

Dr Mario (00:14):
Thank you. It’s a, it’s been a while. Always fun to work with you.

Guy (00:18):
Yeah, no. And it is, I am absolutely fascinated about when you, uh, when you emailed, dropped me an email, I said, how do you fancy talking about this topic today? I was like 100%. So I’m excited to see where it goes. And, but I’ll, I’ll start the show like I do every week, Mario. And that is if you were at a intimate dinner party and you sat next to a complete stranger and they asked you what you did, what would you say?

Dr Mario (00:41):
Oh, I would tell ’em that I am, uh, working on, uh, reversing aging and, and, uh, doing how centenarians live people who are over a hundred and, but, but healthy, healthy centenarians. So, uh, the secret to anti-aging with my, uh, my work

Guy (00:56):
And I, I really feel that’s a hot topic right now, especially if the last couple of years that we’ve, we’ve actually gone through globally. Yes. And I think it really puts, um, if, if there’s one thing I, I hope that’s come out of it is to really allow people to appreciate how valuable our health is and that we can actually take steps to, to really nurture that from our perspective, from an empowered perspective, you know, and I think it would make an amazing dinner conversation. There’s no doubt, uh, especially if I was sitting next to you, which is, I guess, half the reason why the podcast is here today, but why are you fascinated? Like what, what drew you into wanting to look at all these aspects, especially the way you do as well?

Dr Mario (01:41):
Well, um, as a, as a nurse psychologist, I, I learned biology and then a reductionistic kind of thing where everything is genetics and you have genetic endowment and they even talk about the telomeres at the caps at the end of the, of the, uh, chromosomes and so forth. So I started studying centres. I thought, well, if I wanna know what works, I wanna look at the evidence of works and the evidence of what works in longevity, people who are over a hundred. And I only looked at the ones who are healthy all over the world. And then after a while I found out that it’s not genetics. Genetics is only 25% and it’s not the li and it’s not the diet. It’s how they live. It’s the way they perceive the world, which is what we’re gonna be talking about today. And, uh, now with, uh, the area of what’s called epigenetics, which is not just what you’re transferring in your genes, but what your gene expression is doing based on what you do with the world and the way that you live, it can affect your genes, but it can also affect how you transfer those genes.

Dr Mario (02:41):
So, for example, I have worked with people who are, are descendants of people who were in the, in Auschwitz and the, uh, concentration camps. And they pass on the, the survivors pass on high level of cortisol for four or five generations, things that were learned in the environment. So it’s epigenetic rather than just genetic. And the beauty of that is that can be reversed. We can reverse that, and you can look at a chronological age. There’s nothing you can do about a chronological age. That’s it, you’re, you’re 40 today. And for next year, you’re gonna be 41. Your biological age is really what matters because that’s the speed in which your, your cells age, and that can be reverse.

Guy (03:20):
Incredible. It’s fascinating, isn’t it? So I, I, I once hear the term and, uh, cause I’d love to dive in the term epigenetics, cuz it sounds so complex when we hear it, we’re like, oh my God, epigenetics, you know? And uh, I’ve heard, um, two, two, uh, I, I had bris on the show last year and I hear him saying, oh yes, epigene, epigenetic, meaning above the genes. I believe he said. And uh, yes, I’ve also heard epigenetic. Would that be a fair comment to say,

Dr Mario (03:52):
Uh, uh, epigene above, above genetics and what it is is to, to make it simple because people talk about, and Bruce Lipton is a, a, a, a pioneer in that area. Um, he’s a, a molecular biologist and a cell biologist, but what happens is that we have a, we have a, a DNA and the DNA is the map that tells the genes how to express themselves. But it’s not just that the genes express themselves based on, on what the environment is is, is doing. Um, so if you’re smoking, uh, it’s gonna express itself in a way that eventually it’ll create, uh, cancer, but that’s, that’s the genetics, that’s your height. You’re not gonna be able to change your height. That’s your, the color of your eyes, even that can change if you’re multiple personality, but normally your, your body type and all that is genetic.

Dr Mario (04:45):
But epigenetic means that something happens and I’ll explain it in a minute at the, uh, chromosome level that affects how the genes are gonna be expressed. So the DNA says, okay, here’s a map or the potential of how these genes are gonna be expressed. And then the Egen, genetics is a part that says, okay, if you do this, it’s gonna be expressed this way. If you do that, it’s gonna be expressed in a different way. And it could be the external environment, what you eat, what, where you live and the internal environment, what you believe and what your culture teaches you to believe. And the, the way that it happens at the chromosomes, there’s something called, uh, methyl. And the methyl is at, at the top. And that’s what Bruce was talking about at the top of the genes and the methylation that happens at certain parts of the chromosomes will determine if the gene is gonna be expressed or not.

Dr Mario (05:36):
And there’s some things that allow the genes to be expressed, and there’s some things CA the genes to be expressed. So for example, a family illness is just a potential to be expressed is not a genetic sentence, depending on what you do with your life. And that’s the beauty and the, and the hope that as we know more about epigenetics, we can change how we’re aging, uh, in ourselves. So if you’re, if you’re 50 and your epigene, your biological age is 30, you’re 30, doesn’t matter how long you’ve been around. You’re 30 because your biological age is what determines how long you’re gonna be around.

Guy (06:11):
Yeah. So would it be fair to say that Mario, that, because I often say, think about epigenetics, just in my Welsh simple filter. When, when looking at these things as that, I could be susceptible to say type two diabetes for, for instance, right? Yes.

Dr Mario (06:29):
But

Guy (06:30):
I’m actually feel like I’m carrying a loaded gun, but I never need to pull the trigger. So it actually does do anything because of the way I live my life from all those things you mentioned, won’t be then pulling the trigger for that gene to express itself.

Dr Mario (06:49):
Yes. That that’s right. Because, um, and, and, and some reductionists, uh, scientists and doctors will say, look, it’s genetics, you’re your uncle had type type two diabetes. Your, your father had it. Your, your brother had it. No, it’s just an expression, but you see families live together. They eat the same thing. They think very much the same thing. They have the same environments. So they’re collectively expressing or not expressing that particular gene, but you can, the thing you can do is you can look. And in addition to the things we’re gonna be talking about is that you can look who doesn’t have diabetes in your family, and you’re gonna find that that person is an, is an outlier. They do things differently. Right. And they, they cap at the meth methylation, uh, level. They cap the expression of the genes that would, uh, actually, uh, activate, um, uh, the diabetes type two.

Guy (07:39):
Got it, got it. And let’s see, um, let’s say somebody’s 50 years old. They’re just learning this information for the first time. Okay. And, and I’m interested to see where your studies have reached so far that we have maybe, um, not been kind to us in lifestyle or unconsciously. You know, there’s been different ways we’ve been living and especially include, and I keep raising the last two years, but it’s been a very stressful period for many, many people included myself at times. And sure. The, if we’ve been expressing the epigenetic gene and it has been expressed in itself in a way that’s not serving us at what point, or how much can we do about that to then reverse if it has been damaged, then what have you found so far

Dr Mario (08:31):
In, in, in most cases quite a bit. So for example, when I went to Poland, I’m a, I’m a consultant there. They said, okay, you do all so much work in, uh, epigenetics, and let’s check out your Chron age and let’s check out your biological age or your epigenetic age. And they were amazed that I’m 21 years younger than my chronological age, but let’s say it’s the opposite. Let’s say you’re 10 years older than your chronological age. You can still reverse that. You can reverse it because there’s a lot of plasticity in the gene expression. Some things you can’t, some things are just damaged that you can’t do very much about, but there are quite a few things that you can do to reverse not only the speed of the aging, but sometimes you can reverse some of the things that done by what you said in living a life of stress and so forth.

Dr Mario (09:19):
And what I have found, and this is gonna be, this is information that, that you have now that will be completely new for Australia and the world. This is the first time that we’re gonna be able to see, not just the supplements and, uh, and, and stem cell will work, but we’re gonna see how with a psychological, uh, questionnaire that I, that I developed, how close you were living to the four factors that I, that I identified with cents. And how do we relate that to the biological markers? That’s the first we’re doing that in Poland now. So if you take that test and it’ll say you’re high on this factor and this, uh, this biological marker here needs to be, uh, changed. So let’s work on the factor. And what happens is later you see that the biological marker changes because it’s a consciousness that you’re changing.

Dr Mario (10:13):
So for example, just a very simple way, let’s say that you are, and, and I’ll talk about this some more, but let’s say that you are, um, like centenarians gratitude is a very important component, but our cultures teach us not to be grateful in the sense of accepting our excellence. If I say, um, Hey guy, I like your glasses. You say, ah, they’re old. Just I’ve him. Uh, my grandfather gave him to me. It said they value him of the gift. What does that do? Psycho neurologically, when you accept the gift and say, oh, thank you. I like my glasses too. You’re secreting, oxytocin, and serotonin and endorphins, which are immune enhancers. If you, if you excuse yourself, I know all these are all glasses, this shaming, this an embarrassment causes some kind of, uh, uh, some of the, uh, stress hormones, like, uh, Neurophine and so forth. So on a daily basis, you’re giving an opportunity to enhance immunity or to deplete immunity based on how you deal with the world. And if you ask a something, I said, I said to, so a woman’s very beautiful, 102. And I said, you’re really beautiful. And she said, oh, yes. I’ve always been beautiful. Ever since I was a little girl, I was beautiful oxytocin right there, as opposed, oh no, I’m too old. You see, that’s how you can create epigenetics.

Guy (11:35):
Wow. Do you, do you think as a society, we’ve been fascinating in studying the negative effects of everything and not the positive?

Dr Mario (11:45):
Oh, of course. Of course. Even in, in my area of psycho neurology, the stress has been studied extensively, extensively, and everything is based on stress. So what happens, what I do in my books, I say, you know, what are the costs of health? What are the costs of health? The costs of health are inherited, but you have to trigger them. You ha you inherit the cause of health. Because as homo sapiens, who’ve been around for 150,000 years. So as trial and area trial there, the immune system says, this works here. This doesn’t work. So you have tremendous ability to trigger cause of health, more than the cause of illness, but you have to trigger them. They’re there, it’s an inheritance, that’s dormant until you trigger them. And also I, in the book, the, in the mind body, uh, self, the second book, I talk about how culture or actually how, uh, the, um, longevity is culturally learned.

Dr Mario (12:39):
And the costs of health are inherited this throws science upside down, but with, with good evidence, that that’s how it works. Arians don’t have the, they, if they have good genetics, that’s fine, but it’s not sufficient to have good genetics. In fact, sometimes you have good genetics and you take it for granted and you live your life in a, in a, not such a prudent way, because you say, oh, I have good genetics. Well, it’s not the genetics Arians. I, I thought it first. So it’s gotta be the, the telomeres, those little caps at the end of the chromosomes that determine how many times the cells are gonna, um, um, re produce and so forth. Well, cent they used, they used to think and some still do, but they’re wrong that if you have long telomere, you’re gonna live long, short tels. You’re gonna live, uh, a short life. Cent has long cent, uh, uh, telomeres or short, uh, telomeres. And there’s an enzyme, uh, telomere that actually can enhance the production of telomeres. And one of the things that brings that up is love, love, brings up the, the, uh, that enzyme, uh, tase. So, so it’s not a good indicator of, of, of longevity. There are other things like GL and, and other things that are better indicators.

Guy (13:56):
Interesting, interesting. And is testing our biological age, easy, easy to do. Is it accessible for everyone? Is it something that we could look at?

Dr Mario (14:09):
Yes, yes. What, what they did with me, of course, they did, uh, EKGs and, uh, all the usual kinds of things, but then they did a specific blood work and saliva work, but mostly blood that looks at the glycan and glycan is, is a major, major component of inflammation. Or anti-inflammation, if your gly, if your glycan is low, excuse me, your glycan is low. Then you’re going to have a, be a slower aging of your cells. If you’re glycan is high. And let’s say they find that, uh, your cortisol is high and, and other kinds like, um, uh, the, um, uh, if you have an internal fat, like, uh, visceral fat, all those kind of things will more or less determine, okay, this profile is the profile of a typical 50 year old. Let’s say you’re 80. Well, your biological age is like, like a 50 year old because of the correlation that’s made. So it’s very precise and very, uh, able to have specifically what at your biological ages. And then they have prescriptions. They have ways of dealing with it, not medication or anything like that, um, to teach you how to reverse it. But before they were blind to it before they were saying, well, we’ll give you the supplement or, or we’re gonna work with this anti-inflammatory but now we can determine the S psychological, the bio cognitive way to reverse that based on what works, which is centenarians, were those four factors that I’ll, that I’ll mention here.

Guy (15:40):
Yeah. What, what, um, what fascinates you the most when looking at reversing biological age, cuz there’s, there’s so many aspects already. You’ve mentioned that we could actually dive into right now. When I think about it’s like, wow, you know,

Dr Mario (15:55):
Art that sometimes I, I don’t even believe my own theory sometimes because I know this can’t be, it can’t be that easy, but, but it’s really biosymbolic as a biosymbolic process, why let’s go back to anthropology. We didn’t have 40,000 years. We didn’t have language. And we had a very limited consciousness. If any anthropology will tell you that we began to develop a consciousness. When we start, we started burying our debt and creating trinkets that had no tool value. You had tools, but you have a trinket. All of a sudden it doesn’t have any tool value. You had trim men, this consciousness you need to have and cognition to be able to abstract to do that. So that came so before we had the census, you could, you could smell a lion, uh, a hundred meters away. Then language comes in and they tell you there’s a lion, a hundred meters away.

Dr Mario (16:51):
So you begin to lose the epigenetic transfer of smell and you, and then you replace it with words and then words become the same as your sense. Your brain has to learn the language and your immune system has to learn how to determine the language. So the brain is cultural and the immune system is cultural. So if I say to new it to you now, guy, you’re such a wonderful person. You’re gonna have endorphins and oxytocin because words become vitals. Symbolic. If I say guy, you’re such an idiot, you’re going to have molecules of inflammation. Just like if you had a pathogen and that’s the most fascinating thing for me.

Guy (17:34):
Wow. You just, something really landed there. I’d never thought of it like that before. Especially when you say we is culturally learned. Cause we, we use words to replace the actual experience of what was happening through other senses. That’s maddening. So I, what does that do then if somebody is sitting at home watching the, the media every day, because they that’s just a word transfer of words, right?

Dr Mario (18:01):
Yes. And the brain doesn’t know the difference. Cognition knows that it’s not real, but the brain response as say, if it’s actually happening, there’s some studies that show that when you get up in the morning, if you go, and the first thing you do is check your cell phone, your cortisol. Level’s gonna be high for the rest of the day because it’s putting you on alarm already. It’s getting you ready. You’re watching a rape while you’re eating. And you’re gonna have some problems with your digestion at some point, because the brain can’t tell the difference. It responds. Cognition knows, but cognition doesn’t say, look, this is just a, uh, a game. This is not real. You respond that way. So if you, if you wanna create gastrointestinal problems, just watch the news while you’re eating, you’ll you’ll have gastrointestinal problems.

Guy (18:47):
Wow. That’s incredible. Isn’t it? And we so unaware and we so are consumed by,

Dr Mario (18:53):
Yeah,

Guy (18:54):
We’re just bombarded really at the end of the day, you know, and we just

Dr Mario (18:58):
Honestly, and now what they, what they do is they, they say, okay, the only way I can get your attention is with your ego or with fear. If you don’t buy this, you’re not good enough. Or if you don’t do this, something bad’s gonna happen to you, either one, an alarm. So you’re getting alarmed constantly to get things and to buy things and to be afraid of this and to be afraid of that. So we’re living in a world of hyper alarm, not because it’s out there, but because, uh, the, the system is set up to give you that kind of a, a perception and cents don’t buy into that. They don’t function that way.

Guy (19:34):
Yeah. How then what are our own thoughts doing to our, the words in our head that if we, if we, if we caught up in different emotions that, that are, that don’t serve us. Yeah. Same

Dr Mario (19:53):
Thing. Yeah. Because look, if we know that that emotions and words and thoughts affect the psycho neurology, the, the thoughts affect the, uh, uh, nervous immune and endocrin system. The way you’re bombarding yourself is gonna have a physiological response. So if you have learned shame as the, one of the, the, uh, wounds of, uh, that I call archetypal wounds, shame, you’re going to be having shameful thoughts and shame causes inflammation. I have worked with over 300 women who have, uh, fibromyalgia 99% of them have some kind of a shaming wound, either sexual abuse or physical abuse, something that allow them to have a shaming consciousness that keeps going on beyond what happened to them during the trauma. Wow. So if you have constant immune immunological, uh, secretion of, um, molecules of inflammation, like, uh, Interlukin six and, and others, then there’s, there’s a lot of correlation between excessive inflammation in autoimmune illnesses. So far my, one of the, autoimmunes it not totally autoimmune because it doesn’t attack itself, but it’s inflammatory kind of, it’s an inflammatory kind of a, a deceased, and it needs to be treated in a way that you understand that, that there’s a, there’s a shaming component there

Guy (21:19):
In your research. Then how would you start to treat the shame? Because obviously it’s a, it’s an unconscious loop that, um, they might not even be aware of. It’s just part of the way they are being.

Dr Mario (21:32):
Yes. Well, and, and that’s right. They don’t know they’re doing that. They’re just having those thoughts and having a bad day, but they don’t know that they’re getting immunological, uh, problems there. Well, I, I talked about it in my books and I give explanations on how to do it, but what I found in looking at centenarians and other people, I look at cold as you know, all over the world is that we can only be wounded three ways. Okay. Thankfully, that’s enough. We can either. And, and the cultures will wound you to keep you within the culture or to shame you or abandon you or betray you, you can only be abandoned, shamed or betrayed, and each of them has a different kind of physiological reaction. So now the good news is that, that what I’ve been working on is that I have an antidote for each of them.

Dr Mario (22:17):
The antidote for shame is honor, honor consciousness. And I use honor consciousness to teach patients anti-inflammatory consciousness, because if a word can create a, a, an inflammation, a word can create an anti-inflammatory reaction. An honor is an anti-inflammatory reaction that we’re gonna begin to test in, in Poland, clinically, I’ve seen it. I’ve seen changes in rheumatoid arthritis and fibromyalgia with, with the honor consciousness techniques that I teach. So that’s how you begin to do it. You don’t do it intellectually. You can say, okay, look, it has to be at a level at a contemplative level technique that I use so that you can turn off all the things that the brain does to, to distract you. If, if it were intellectual, I could say, Hey guy, you’re doing cocaine. Don’t do cocaine. It’s gonna kill you. Okay. I’ll stop. Doesn’t work that way because it’s, it’s a, it’s a mind by fabric that you created. So it has to go to a level that you, uh, release the, the fabric and, and then begin to live that, that, uh, that consciousness.

Guy (23:20):
Yeah. Amazing. How far then do you think we can take longevity? I mean, I’ve heard you speak about the average age used to be about 60, 65, I believe going back X amount of years, and now we’re kind of up to 80, 85.

Dr Mario (23:39):
Well, uh, you know, a, a lot of people say, oh, we need to go back to the time of the cave, uh, men and women. Well, in those days, the average, uh, uh, life span was, uh, 35. So you don’t wanna go back there. We’re built to be at least 150. Wow. But, uh, but, and, and the longest that we know living has been a hundred twenty five, a hundred twenty six, something like that. And, uh, but I think what we do is we, we sabotage our longevity by the way that we live. And also by the way that the conventional science tells you that you have to live, uh, that you’re gonna live, uh, this long. Well, that’s it. And, and, and here’s the key key. What I call the cultural portals is very important. What are the cultural portal is, is what the culture will tell you need to be.

Dr Mario (24:28):
The middle aged portal is extremely important. There’s no such thing as middle age and, and biology that, that cent you ask em, and say, that’s a dumb question. You find out when you die. There’s no such thing as middle age, but the culture will say, let’s say that 45 is middle age. All right, 44, you were okay, but 45, you can’t wear anything else. That’s not middle aged related. And you can’t think out of middle aged portal, because if you say, well, I’m 45, but I wanna go back to school and, and go to law school immediately, look, you gotta start saving for your retirement because you’re gonna need to eventually go to a nursing home. I’m not exaggerating. I mean, that’s how so eventually they put you into the portal of, uh, the middle age. You begin to look middle age, you dress middle age, you feel middle age, and you have the illnesses of the middle age, bio culturally ingrained and admonished.

Guy (25:20):
It’s like the world’s gone mad. That’s what it feels like. The, um,

Dr Mario (25:26):
Well, it said we don’t know any better. We’ve done this. Cause we didn’t know that the science could tell us that that’s not the way to go. Yeah.

Dr Mario (25:32):
Uh, we know now from functional MRI and the epigenetics, and we know what happens when you think, and when you do things in a particular way. So the immune system has a sense of morals has a sense of not self-righteous, but, but in a way that, uh, that it, for example, I, I always wanna give example. So you can see the, the evidence. There’s some studies that look at at children who may be just a, a few weeks old and they show ’em a video of toys fighting each other. And they show them a video of toys cooperating with each other. Consistently. They look more at the ones that are operating than the ones that are fighting. That’s what Hoffman called the precursors of empathy. We have that they’ll cry. If they hear another baby cry. And what they did is they thought it must be imitation. Let’s let’s play, let’s record the cry. They don’t cry. This has to be real. So we’re, we’re predisposed for goodness. And our culture will set us up in a way that could be good, or it could be bad, but we’re very malleable. It’s, that’s the good news.

Guy (26:35):
Yeah. That’s important.

Dr Mario (26:36):
It could be changed at any age. That’s another thing

Guy (26:40):
That,

Dr Mario (26:40):
That was, you can change it at any age. Yeah. It doesn’t have to be.

Guy (26:43):
Yeah. Sorry, Mario. Yeah, that was gonna be my next question about, because it, it it’d be quite easy to go, oh, well, I’m, I’m 65 now it’s OEM. And, and, um, it’s too late for me, you know, but I, I believe as well with, with scenario. So I usually, they, they have a, they have a point where that, that it’s not even in their, in their radar. Like the present moment is never too late.

Dr Mario (27:07):
No. So I’ll talk about one of the factors to answer your question. One of the factors is what I call time consciousness. That’s one of the four factors, the way they perceive time, they elongate time. So one that I ask, I always use as example, cuz it, it just floored me. He had, um, a small, um, vegetable garden. He was 101. And I said, so what do you think of your vegetable garden looks pretty good. He said, yeah, but wait till you see it in three years, 101. So that kind of consciousness, it, it, it expands. It creates a time space projection that allows you to live longer because you’re not worried about how long you’re gonna live. The other thing about it is that gerontologists will tell you that as you grow older because of the brain, they have all kinds of dumb ideas, uh, that you’re gonna, the time is gonna really go faster as you grow older.

Dr Mario (28:05):
And it’s true. But the reason that it’s go faster, not because you’re going older, but because your curiosity went down, cur what they call the first 30, uh, up to 30, you have your first everything. Your first love your first divorce, your first, everything graduation, whatever, after that, you don’t have that many first. And the brain pays a lot of attention to the first. And when it pays a lot of attention to something, it elongates the perception of time, centenarians over 30, that continue to stay in novelty learning. And they don’t have that problem with the time passing fast for them. So it’s curiosity, not the brain that

Guy (28:48):
Amazing with centenarians, just trigger the thought. Cause one of the biggest challenges I see for people Mario here and in the work we do putting out here in Australia, I’m in front of people all the time. So I get to see firsthand, um, is one of the biggest problems is that people go, I can never find my tribe. I’m the only one that wants to learn this or do this. But I always feel like I’m getting pulled back into an environment. That’s not supporting somebody that wants to change that wants to move forward. So with say the centenarians, are they more in an environment that is supporting those cultural beliefs are allowing them to live healthy over a hundred or are they outliers even in there. And we have to become an outlier and to be the change that we wanna see in others, you know what I’m,

Dr Mario (29:43):
You have to become an outlier. They’re all outliers. They get support from people because they, they, they, they astonish everybody. But some of them, uh, live the way they wanna live. It’s not like, uh, you shouldn’t be doing this. You shouldn’t be, they live the way. So they they’re all outliers. They go in what happens in, in science, look how arrogant conventional science is. The outliers are the ones who, uh, if you have a family illness and everybody dies at 50, you’re still around at 80. And when they look at studies, that’s considered a nuisance variable because it’s out of the norm and they don’t, they don’t look into it in clinical trials or anything. It’s a nuisance variable. And the outliers at, at the end of the curves, that’s where you get the real information. Not in the groups, not in the, not in the average.

Dr Mario (30:32):
Yeah. So it, it all works against, but yeah, to answer your question, they’re all outliers. Wow. They, uh, they, and some of them come from really bad places. They come from concentration in camp. Some of them have been raped. Uh, they’ve had many adversity in their, in their lives. And one of the things that they don’t do, they don’t die with the people that they love, who died and they don’t get sick with unrequired love. They have 2, 2, 2 things that are really important that could actually, sometimes you see it with, um, celebrities, the, uh, the wife or the husband or the, or the partner dies within six months. The other one’s dead. They’re not like that at all. And the secret is that if you don’t wanna die with people that you love and you don’t wanna get sick with unrequited love when somebody says, I don’t want you anymore, then what you do is that you mourn the dead by celebrating, having known them.

Dr Mario (31:28):
That’s how you mourn them. You celebrate having known them. It has a different psycho immunology. And when my mother passed away, that’s what I did. I took my son and my daughter after dinner to celebrate, having known her. And that’s how we dealt with it. You’re sad, sad with a celebration, rather sad with the morbid ness. Yeah. Unrequited love. Somebody leaves you. They don’t want you anymore. The way to come out and not get sick. And a lot of people get sick is by having complete faith in your journey and thanking the person for having the good sense to say no to you, because you have something better coming up well, but you see the brain and the heart have a different code. The brain, the brain says, why would I wanna be with somebody who doesn’t wanna be with me? Why would I wanna be with somebody who hurt me? Well, that’s the brain. The, the, the code of the brain is recent in a terrain of logic. The code of the heart it’s emotions in a terrain of unconditional love. So the, the, the heart needs time to catch up with the brain. And you have to teach her to catch up with the brain by giving her faith in your journey. And that begins to then change the process. You don’t get sick.

Guy (32:42):
Amazing. Do you then feel, because you mentioned the word faith that’s really struck me, cuz like I’ve got to a point in my life where I just, I, I do surrender a lot and have complete faith in, in my journey and, and trust. And it allows, it feels like it takes a lot of pressure off, but there’s um, spiritual practices behind that, Mario, like, is that been a common denominator in your research as well? That actually believing something beyond the physical self.

Dr Mario (33:14):
That’s a great question. Uh, most Arians are spiritual. They’re not necessarily religious, but they’re spiritual. They have some belief that there’s something greater themselves. But for example, let’s say that God doesn’t exist and this is it. If you believe that God exists and there’s something beyond immunologically is better for you because you’re not living that you’re gonna be food for the worms. But if you wanna be food for the worms and continue to live a good life, that’s fine. I know a lot of people who are atheists and who believe in nothing and they’re very compassionate, but you have to have some kind of phenomenology that says, this is what my life is. You have to determine what your phenomenology is, whether it’s food for the worms or angels waiting for you, it doesn’t matter. But you have to determine that that what they call Pascal’s, uh, wager Pascal said whether God exists or not is better to believe in God and immunologically what it it’s like. For example, when people say the universe has my back, that’s nonsense, the universe is expanding. It doesn’t care if you want a new car or a new relationship. But if you believe that the universe has your back, that belief is what helps you. Not the universe.

Guy (34:29):
Yeah. Yeah. Which is good enough in my book anyway. You know, if, if you believe it to be true, then, then that’s that’s yeah, that’s right. Yeah. AB

Dr Mario (34:36):
That’s right.

Guy (34:38):
What is, what is your hopes? Cause I know you, you you’ve, we actually spoke about it more often on there that you’re, you know, you’re currently working, um, with PO uh, a company in Poland was a company or university in Poland with the longevity.

Dr Mario (34:52):
Yes. It’s a center, a longevity center

Guy (34:53):
Longevity center.

Dr Mario (34:54):
It’s called the longevity center in Warsaw. It’s really excellent.

Guy (34:57):
What, what is your, um,

Dr Mario (34:58):
Well

Guy (34:59):
For the work that you’re doing, L him with this

Dr Mario (35:06):
To refine that questionnaire that I, that I developed. So we can, because we’re gonna do it. For example, since culture is so important in determining your reality, we’re gonna be testing it in Germany and, and poll and in the United States to see the differences in the cultures, but we’ll still be able to pick up the four factors. So for example, one of the questions that you ask and you have to be careful how you ask it, because if not, it is biased in some places, in, in some cultures, more than others, you can’t just say, do you believe that you’re intelligent because it’ll have a social, social and desirability, you’ll say, no, I’m not. So you have to ask the question. Do you believe that your friends think you’re right? Okay. Yeah, I can. I can do that. So you disowned it in order to get the real information. If you don’t, then they’ll say no, because you want to not accept your excellence.

Guy (36:00):
Yeah. Got it.

Dr Mario (36:02):
So that’s my, my goal is to really refine that to a point where we can actually say, okay, if you’re low in this factor, what we’re gonna do is this and this and this and bring that factor up and you’re gonna see the biological markers changing. And then that means that you can reverse age at an time, which we were doing already at the center. I mean, what the, uh, the CEO, uh, was able to change, uh, and reverse her age, uh, their biological age eight years. Um, and, and I’m work. Mine’s 21, but I’m gonna work on 30 and see how it goes. See if, uh, if I can bring back to 30. So, and, and never ever tell your age, if you tell your age, you’re, you’re being put in a box and your fabric is made up in a way that when you’re told, oh, you’re so you’re 80 immediately, all of that comes back and you become 80. So when people ask me, what’s my, what’s your age. Now I can tell ’em, well, my chronological age is 21 years older than my biological age. So what’s your Chron, what’s your biological? Uh, 21 years younger. That’s it beautiful?

Dr Mario (37:08):
And people will say, so, do you have a problem with your age? No. You have a problem with wanting to know my age. I’m ageless. I, I’m not interested in my age. I’m interested in what I’ve done with my life. Why celebrate a, a, a birthday celebrate what you’ve done in your life. And that is powerful, powerful information. I think that, that your audience can take and let other people get upset, give permission to not like it. You’re gonna live longer than the ones who are worried about the age.

Guy (37:36):
I, I love it, Mario. I love it. You know, the, the one thing that’s screaming at me right now is empowerment. Like you said, it really feels like we’ve been conditioned to look outside ourselves. And can you, can you please fix me? I have this issue. I just need to, and, and, and a lot of this work feels to be about taking our power back and really being strong in our own, in our own identity. Yes,

Dr Mario (38:04):
Very much. And I, and I’ll talk about that. I’m glad you brought that up because for example, agency, we don’t talk much about agency in, in psychology. You do very much in, in philosophy and anthropology, but agency is the action. The, the action that you have to take a choice. It’s this is my choice. That’s that’s my action. That’s agency. Fate is something that happens to you. It’s raining or you fell or something that’s fate agency can come in and can shape agency, or actually it can take agency can take fate and turn it into destiny. So you can change your fate into destiny with agency. So that’s the empowerment. But if you say, well, this is how it is, then your fate becomes your, your destiny. But if you take agency, which is empowerment, okay, I can change it. And this is how Arians are they?

Dr Mario (38:57):
They’re in a concent. I talked to one who was in a concentration camp and, uh, during the Soviet union. And, uh, he was from Estonia and I asked him, so how, how was it over there? How was the experience? They’re not Pollyanna. They don’t tell you. It was wonderful. They tell you it was terrible. It was terrible. But the funniest thing about it look at is when I got home, my mother said, why didn’t you write me and said, mother, they didn’t let me write in the concentration camp. And he started laughing. That’s that’s what that, that was his take.

Guy (39:28):
Wow. Yeah.

Dr Mario (39:30):
So, uh, it is very important that you, that you begin to see things at what, the humanity of things. Um, so, uh, yeah, that’s agency extremely important. And what is empowerment? I’ll define empowerment. Nobody does. When I work with fortune 100 companies, I explain that in their, how they do their mission statement, empowerment simply is access to resources to overcome a challenge from an immunological cell, to a job, access to resources, to overcome a challenge. If you don’t have access to resources to overcome a challenge, or you don’t take the resources that is helplessness. And the immune system responds to helplessness by pulling back, helplessness begins to pull back instead of make it stronger it back on the natural killer cells. And, uh, and the, uh, anti-inflammatories because it goes helpless. So the immune system to a certain degree responds to the consciousness that you present to it.

Guy (40:29):
Got it, got it. Just, um, moving. Yeah. Very IPO. Yeah, just moving the, the, the aware of the time, Mario. And I wanna ask you, how do you bring this work into your personal life? Do, uh, do you have, uh, like a morning routine? Do you have certain rituals? Is there anything that jumps out that you think would be helpful for the listeners for you that you do?

Dr Mario (40:55):
Yes. Um, I try to live like cent Marias. One thing that they are not, they’re not rigid if they’re vegetarians and they’re invited to a, to a Barbie and to eat meat, they’ll eat the meat. Uh, but they don’t eat it and they don’t do it out of fear. They do it out of joy and taste. That’s the first thing that I do, the other thing is that motivation is overrated. Motivation is, is a manipulation for, to get you to do something you normally wouldn’t do. So motivation is worthless for me this morning. I got up at five 30 and I go swimming. I do laps and motivation is, is a worthless thing. So I said, what is the archetype that I need to take on? Now? The Spartan archetype I get up and I do it. I don’t think about it. The moment you start bringing thoughts and motivations and ideas you’re done.

Dr Mario (41:48):
So the archetype of the Spartan, if you’re a woman, the arche of Athena archetypes of power. So I got up, I did it. I went swimming, did my, my laps came home. That’s it? But rituals are very important to keep you, um, going all those centenarians of rituals. I went to Cuba to study some centenarians a few years ago. And I asked at the time, I didn’t know that the rituals were not important. So I asked this 101 woman. So I didn’t say ritual. So I didn’t wanna bias. I said, what do you do that you do on a regular basis that it has a value for you? And it gives you a sense of identifying with yourself and your culture immediately said, oh, I have a shot of Ru before I go to sleep. So I thought it’s gotta be the Cuban rum. So then next day I interview another one and I same thing.

Dr Mario (42:34):
And he said, I have a cigar, as soon as I wake up in the morning. So I said, oh, the Cuban rum and the Cuban cigar. So finally I realized that it’s the ritual that gives immunological power, the ritual, but they never abuse rituals. I asked them, well, how many shots of rum do you have? Well, just one. Why that’s all I want, they never abuse the rituals. So that’s, and that’s what I do. And then I eat well. And, um, I, I use some supplements, for example, in the, in the epigenetic thing that they did, they found that I have a propensity to have a deficiency in vitamin D. So I take vitamin D three. That’s it. If you have a deficiency for selenium, you eat a Brazil, not every day. And that’s it. So one thing that you have to do, you have to stay active.

Dr Mario (43:23):
You have to stay active. You can’t be sitting around and meditating. That’s nice, but you have to walk or swim. You have to do something to keep you active and to keep that immunological process going. That’s very important. And the other thing about it is that you have to be able to let yourself go of any kind of hatred that you have. They know how to forgive. They don’t forget because they’re wonderful. They forget because they don’t let anybody keep them and, and their prison of nostalgia like the Greeks did, you know, so you, and, and there’s a technique that I teach. I have one chapter about forgiving. All centenarians are very, very good at, at forgiving. People will say, then some cultures will say I don’t forgive. And I don’t forget, well, you’re gonna have some immunological problems because you’re, you have the resentment there. So really forgiveness is an act of self love to liberate from a predator. That’s it. But it can’t be done intellectually. It has to be done with methods

Guy (44:21):
Beyond the mind. Wow. That’s massive. Massive. I, um, you know, it is interesting. I laugh cuz my, my good friend, Marcus Paz, who I’ve had on the podcast, I believe he’s interviewed you as well. Mario. He’s been fascinated about the blue zones for many years and, and looked at that. And he, and he had always go say to me, yeah, but you know, the cent Aarons, you never see them going to the gym, lifting weights. You know, they’re always, they, but they, they move a lot, you know? And, um, I, I do want, I do wonder. Yeah,

Dr Mario (44:51):
They walk lot. They walk a lot

Guy (44:53):
Fine.

Dr Mario (44:54):
Yeah. Yeah. You don’t have to do weights, but, but what you do is make sure that you do some activity that you like, if you don’t like the activity, don’t do it because you you’ll sabotage it and you won’t get the value because you’ll be res resenting it, which is a bad psychological response. I like swimming and I like walking and I like weights, but I do only the ones that I like, I don’t do the ones that I don’t like. So it has to, joy has to be the component across everything that you do.

Guy (45:23):
Yeah. That’s massive. I love, I love the idea of embodying archetypes as well. Cause I kind of do a morphed version of that in my own mind, in my own way. When making decisions. And do you, do you list those archetypes or do you dive in some, a bit more in your books AR around that?

Dr Mario (45:43):
Uh, yes. Yes I do. Archetypes are things that we, and it’s more than the union archetype. An archetype is a very functional thing that, for example, again, 150,000 years of, uh, a trial and error, it’s like tools in a context, the archetype for a father or a man and a boy is father not lover or anything else. So we know from that 150,000 years that a father is the archetype for the son. And what do we do? Sometimes we become the professor of the child, or we become the lover of the child with, uh, with sexual abuse and so forth. And it’s just like taking a hammer and trying to hammer something that, uh, that requires a, uh, a screw driver, a screw driver for the screw and a hammer for the nail. Once you are out of those R archetypes, you have psycho immunological, deficiencies and problems because you were made to have the, what happens when you have incest.

Dr Mario (46:44):
Well, biologically you have all kinds of problems. You have retarded children and all kinds of things. So it’s, if you, if you take the, the back of a screwdriver and you use it as a hammer, it’ll break it, wasn’t made for a hammer. So the archetypes are really important. So you have father, mother, you have teacher healer, mystic, uh, warrior, and you have to have them in the, in, in the context where they function. So I’ll give you an example. When I was working for a neuropsychiatric hospital, I didn’t shift those archetypes and I wasn’t feeling well and I would get home and I would continue to be the doctor with my kids and they didn’t need that. They needed my father or their father. So what I did is I thought, okay, when I leave the hospital, I’m gonna get in my card and I’m gonna have a, a sensory signal.

Dr Mario (47:31):
So I’m gonna turn on the car. And when I hear the sound of the engine, that is my cue that I have to move from, from doctor to father. And it took me 30 minutes to get home. So I was practicing fatherhood for 30 minutes. When I got home, I was father things changed. Uh, that’s what they needed. And, and that’s a very important thing. You wanna be aware of what architect you’re using and with executives, what they do is they have a visionary archetype and they take it everywhere. And it doesn’t work. Steve jobs, my, one of my, uh, heroes, he couldn’t get out of the visionary archetype. And he, even on his deathbed, he said, I, I should have learned, I, he didn’t say architect, I should have learned how to deal with my family. Not like an executive, but like a father and a husband and that kind of thing. And, and, and I think, and, and if you can burn out, you can, he was in the visionary 24 7, you couldn’t do that. He burned out. And then he has a propensity for cancer and the crazy diet that he was doing and that kind of thing. Well, yeah, gone.

Guy (48:35):
Wow. That’s powerful. Thank you for sharing that, Mario, that really, uh, hits home for sure. I believe, um, I believe you, we spoke off as well. You got a, uh, seven week course coming out, uh, is that soon, uh, to help people with the, the biological, is that correct?

Dr Mario (48:52):
Yes. It’ll be coming out, um, at the, uh, yes, it’ll be, uh, at the end of, uh, of March, I believe. And it’ll be through, uh, shift, um, uh, network, which is really good. They’re gonna have seven, seven weeks and, uh, it’ll be one and a half hours each week and there’ll be techniques and there’ll be, um, many, many things set you learn. And it’s basically about how you can learn, um, longevity culturally and how you can trigger the cause

Guy (49:19):
Of health. Amazing. Well, for everyone listening, I’ll make sure there’s links in the show notes below if they wanna, if they wanna jump on and check that out for sure. So if you’re watching this on YouTube or listening on iTunes, they’ll be, they’ll be a link below I as well, uh, for your websites and everything, Mario. Um, I, I always ask one question wrapping up the show, Mario, and that is, um, with everything we’ve covered today. Is there anything you’d like to leave the listeners to ponder on?

Dr Mario (49:51):
Yes. To get out of the helplessness of the reductionists science that set your genetics and, and begin to see yourself by a cultural being that was shaped by a culture and take the best of your culture and drop the worst of your culture and begin to live your life, being aware of what kind of archetypes you’re using and what context. And usually we overuse an archetype that works best for us, but it best only in one context, if you take it somewhere else, it doesn’t work as well. So that awareness alone would be worth everything that we talked about.

Guy (50:24):
Amazing. Mario, thank you so much for coming back on the show. Um, thank you for all the work you do, and it’s so important, the work that you’re doing, and I, I really feel it’s a hunger right now, um, for, for us to be all learning and leaning into this work and actually starting to empower ourselves and take our power back and, and, and live live from that place and live from the heart with full of gratitude as well. So,

Dr Mario (50:52):
And success. That’s wonderful.

Guy (50:56):
Thank you.