#144 This week, myself, Matt, and Petra will be answering some of your amazing questions. As always, we love hearing from you and answering you to the best of our knowledge and abilities.

Our conversion this week centres around a wide range of topics including healing, the act of surrendering to the unknown, supporting our loved ones through difficulties, and fitting our obligation as parents into our spiritual journey and meditations.

We really enjoyed answering your questions and we hope that you find the answers you were looking for. We also hope that you find other questions and answers helpful to your journey.

If you enjoyed this podcast, you may also like: Q&A: Surrender, Wim Hof, Finding Purpose & Meditation Struggles

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About Petra:  Petra Brzovic is a certified transpersonal and clinical hypnotherapist, regression and Past life regression therapist, Life between Lives therapist, yoga teacher and aromatherapist.

Petra has been working on the latest Body & mind medicine discoveries. With an international team of scientists she is running research on brain, mind, body and soul connection, consciousness and healing.As Master Trainer and Instructor Petra is training and teaching therapists around the world, helping them learn how to help others heal.

About Matt: Matt Omo is a leader of the sound healing movement in Australia with over 15 years of experience working with a variety of sound healing techniques bridging cultures and traditions from around the world. The work and awareness around sound healing and its benefits are growing every day. Matt is developing new programs and products to meet this need and continue to support people in discovering the benefits of the healing power of sound.

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Key points with time stamp:

• How to be at peace with the future and things we cannot control (1:22)
• How to support loved ones through hard times while respecting our own needs (7:02)
• What does “surrender” mean to us? (11:59)
• “How can I spiritually support my son with reactive airway syndrome?” (17:29)
• Does the Wim Hof method clear and or activate the energy centres? (23:46)
• What to make of the “charged” feeling after group intentions? (28:25)
• What to do if our children interrupt our morning meditations? (35:25)
• Is it normal to lose one’s sense of self during a meditation? (40:28)
• Tips on where energy blocks are stored in our bodies (44:51)
• What does it mean to feel lightheaded after meditation? (50:09)
• Where do we find music for meditation? (53:06)
• Should we journal daily? (54:10)

Mentioned in this episode:

• Bill Bennett
• Alberto Villoldo
• Wim Hof
• Scott Buckley
• Barry Goldstein

Matt Omo’s Website: www.omosoundjourneys.com

Petra Brzovic’s Website: petrabrzovic.com/en

 

About me:

My Instagram:
www.instagram.com/guyhlawrence/?hl=en

My website:
www.guylawrence.com.au
www.liveinflow.co

 

TRANSCRIPT

Guy 00:02
Fabulous, good to go. How you feeling nice to see Petra, Matt, and doing all the talking at this moment in time.

Matt 01:14
Did a good job, mate. 58 more minutes to go.

Guy 01:22
All right. All right. Let’s get on with right. So first question was from Hannah, and in doing the what-do-I-want one documents. So in the in the on ramp program guys and let it in, I have what do I want documents and it starts to break down and gets the wheels turning about what it is that we want from life and the direction we want to go and what gets in the way, right. And she said it has brought some profoundly emotional stuff from my childhood and my marriage. This shit is hard and uncomfortable doesn’t even come close to describing it. I had no idea how much anxiety I was…am creating by ruminating on the future and things I cannot control. Do you have any thoughts or input?

Petra 02:12
Matt? Are you gonna answer?

Matt 02:13
Are you looking at me? I’m looking at everyone else. Yeah, as you were reading that question, Guy, I was just thinking, it’d be good if the person was here. But, um, yeah, because then you can dial into where she’s actually coming from. So I’m just trying to get a bead on it, it’s like, absolutely, it’s it brings shit up, you know, and it’s, it’s challenging, I can only speak from my, my experience, it’s like, I think he talked about it in your work as well, it’s like kind of when you can get to that place of being the observer, and start to, you know, remove that measurement that we have, like we, you know, it’s like, we’re not our emotions, we’re not our body, we’re not our mind, you know, we’re this, this spirit, this source that is much bigger than that. And when we can, you know, do the work, do the meditations that allow us to go into that place where we actually build that relationship with that, that soul self or that spirit self, or that expanded self, whatever you want to call it, then you have like a place of footing a place to stand as you you start to allow these things to move, you start to then, you know, look back at like, Oh, look at all these experiences that I had, and stuff that I’ve identified with that has brought me to where I am. And then I can like look at it from a larger vantage point. So I’m not so much in the swirling of it in the whirlwind of it. And then from that space, you can let the emotions move, you can let the thoughts on why and you can rework how you actually are perceiving things and, and I think that’s the best way to move forward. It’s like realizing that differentiation between these are things that I’m experiencing my you know, like, that’s what’s the saying, it’s like, we’re, we’re spiritual beings having a human experience. And when we get really immersed in the humanity and the physicality of things, that’s when we can get thrown around by that it’s really up and down duality. But if we actually embrace that spiritual part of ourselves, which is the larger part of ourselves, then we have an anchor and that this waves in the ups and downs can throw you around, but you’re just still anchored.

Guy 04:21
So to just add to that, and I’d love to hear your thoughts, Petra, the just to add to what everything you said without going back governor and saying that awareness that metacognition, the things we talk about, like for me to move through stuff and have, you know, because we literally go into a fear, place response because of the way we feel and when we think right, yeah, I once I realize I’m not necessarily my thoughts, and I’m not necessarily my feelings, just like you said, I was able to really observe them and instead of actually buying into them, I can detach and go Okay, I’m actually feeling anxious right now. I’m feeling fearful. But instead of shutting down, I’d start to observe how I think and I feel and I would breathe into it, and relax, and start to try and see situations for what they are without the clouded pneus of the thoughts and feelings and realize they like weather storms that can blow in and blow out, that can come, but if we can remain kind of observant of them, and not necessarily get caught up all in hammer can make a huge difference.

Matt 05:22
Just in the languaging, that you just said that, like, that’s the key, you said, I am feeling anxious, instead of I am anxious, or I am thinking that instead of I am these thoughts, you know, I mean, so it’s that little separation in the wording is huge, huge. Yeah. What do you think Petra?

Petra 05:43
Well, I would add that, although it’s really challenging when you become aware of everything that you’ve been carrying in yourself, and that brought you to this moment in your life, actually, this is a moment where you’re taking your power back, Hana. So this is a moment that you can actually be aware. Okay, this is a this is what I’ve been going through my whole life. And this brought me to this moment, and now I have the power to change it. So just switch the way you’re looking at a situation and instead of freaking out because all this is coming up, just be aware that now you’re gaining control. And now you can make the changes with Guy’s guidance, and then Matt and I are here as well. And there are other amazing teachers that can help you. And you just go through the meditation and just deal with one layer after the other. I mean, we are all on the same path. But as more aware we become the more powerful we become so yes, it’s really freaking I know. When you really realize, Oh, my God, it’s a mess. I’m leaving in. But now we can start cleaning the mess. So it’s good. Actually, you’re in a good place right now.

Guy 06:52
Yeah, I’ll add that Hanna is coming to our retreat in August. So amazing, she’s been doing the work, and it’s just gonna unfold further. Beautiful, guys. Okay, so this next question is from Wendy. So Wendy was obviously at the last retreat in Jan. And she said, how to really know if it is your heart or your head talking. What to do when you are trying to support someone else through changes, and they are taking so long it keeps pushing you outside your comfort zone, and you just want to relax and enjoy life. But the struggle is constantly there.

Petra 07:33
Okay, should I start? Feel free? Okay, the first two questions in this question. So how to really know if your heart or your head is talking? Well, if you take time to settle down, and to go into yourself and be in contact with yourself, your heart and retreat from the outer world, you will know that your heart is talking to you. So it’s really important that we all take time during the day to meditate and retreat from our environment. And then we will really get in touch with our hearts and our souls and that higher consciousness that is really giving us the right answers. And regarding the second question about other people, who are who we dearly love, but are much slower than us. Well, it’s their journey. And all we can do is respect their journey and know that they have their reasons why they’re going, this pace they’re going, and also be aware of what is the triggering in you. So how does that make you feel? And why does that make you feel that way? So that person is in your life for a reason, that person is here to teach you something. So just turn it towards yourself and see, okay, how does that make me feel and what I want to do with it from that one? It’s not about them, it’s about us. They have the right to go. And I mean, I’m sure they’re doing their best.

Guy 09:05
Exactly one of the one of the hardest things I struggled with was having to flip it. You know, because we’re constantly like a movie screen that’s been projected. And I remember hearing once it’s like running up and trying to tell the actors to stop on the TV, stop, stop, stop, you know, and you you just, it’s just going up against deaf ears where you really need to turn that project around and like, well, what am I how am I actually seeing this situation? And what is it I need to learn what can I see in them that I can’t see in myself. And, and from that point, I then started to, you know, a bug without jumping on the blame game either because then it’s easy to become my victim story and say, I always cook up, I always make mistakes, and then I can hold on to that that can stop me from moving forward to you know, so I just wanted to add that in and just to reiterate rate, the between the heart and the head, we’ve got to be doing the work daily, like we’ve got to be tapping in and getting that quiet time to really tune in. Because that’s the only way you’re gonna get familiar with it. You know?

Matt 10:12
Yeah, for sure. The, the Yeah, what you’re saying about turning that mirror back is critical. That’s one of my favorite practices. In my, in my book, I was just thinking your members should have a copy of that book, The E book, the…, there’s a process called owning your sound lens. Because basically, we can only look outside of ourselves and see our own perception of reality, we can’t see beyond our perception. So we’re always looking out through our own lens. And that, so it’s just everything outside of us is an echo of what’s going on inside of us. So we’re layering our story on top of everyone else. So it’s when you become empowered is when you’re able to turn that lens back, turn that mirror back on yourself and start to then see the wisdom of that triggering is, is setting off in you to embrace in yourself. So it’s pretty awesome. Like that’s, that’s a very powerful thing to do. And then the, I just want to share one little like, head heart hack that will, like just, this is what really helped me like bring it home is like, if it’s from your head, it’s usually laced with, you know, a do dualistic or contractual kind of thing. Like contracts. It’s like a fear or insecurity or doubt or limitations of these types of things are all coming from the head. But if it’s an expansive kind of thought, or feeling like joy, bliss, love, you know, something that’s more hold, and that’s coming from the heart. And then the other component of that is, the first thing that hits you is from the heart. And then once you sit with it comes from the head, the head hits first and then the heart hits first and the head so that’s good rule.

Guy 11:48
Yeah, Love it. Love it. I hope Yeah, maybe we can put a link in the forum. And

Matt 11:53
Yeah, feel free. Like just because there’s all kinds of practices in there. So say, I think it might help your members.

Guy 11:59
Yeah, no, I appreciate. That’d be awesome. Thanks, guys. Hope that helps. Wendy. So Belinda said my word for 2019 is surrender. I am discovering this takes many forms, I would be interested in your definitions of surrender, because I’m finding it means different things to different people. Shall I

Matt 12:24
go? Again, guy

Guy 12:29
look for from the for me, okay. For me surrender means I believe there’s like a universal laws of life. And there’s almost like a universal flow like a river that we can we can jump into, and allow it to take us almost tapping into our, into the connection to our higher self or source, however, you want to look at it from doing this work. And there’s a congruency between the heart and the mind and what we’re doing. And I found I notice in life, that if I, if I get too much in my head, I stray from this flow, and this flow is taking me places, but I strayed, because then all my beliefs and fears and different things might get in the way. And then it’s it’s, it’s stopping this, this flow comes through me. But if I’m willing to really sort of work on becoming the conscious observer, and not running from the programs of who I think I am, but coming back to my truth, there’s an element of flow. And once I realize I’m there, because I believe you need to be able to stress responses to really surrender and lean in to what that might be. Then I start knowing from the heart that I have actions, or I take actions, and I’m making decisions in line with all this and then I continue as an expansion of myself moving forward. So that surrender is then a detachment from not necessarily outcome because all we have is now on life is happening now. So if I can keep reminding myself this, this moment, right now is where it’s at. Then flow will come from that and surrender comes from that and it all comes back to the moment. Thoughts?

Petra 14:19
Well, for me, surrender is just trusting, trusting life, trusting that the the higher wisdom knows better than I do and just realigning every day and really letting go of control. And just as you said, going with the flow to Yeah, just go and just don’t doubt and trust and whenever some fear arises, just act despite the fear and just again, trust life. Just go and trust and trust and surrender and trust and then life will really start rewarding that trust. really start sending you little and big synchronicities, serendipitous that you really can get like a confirmation, okay, this is the right way to go. So just continue surrendering and trusting, and then you will really know that you’re on the right path. It’s a way to we all learning to do that. And we all have moments when we fall down. And it’s just, we have to get up and continue. What do you Matt think? What is your

Matt 15:30
feeling about it, I just keep thinking of this. This story that my one of my teachers used to tell me and he said, if you want to know how much control you have in life, go stand like in the center of an intersection of the stoplight and then tell the traffic to stop or go. And it’s like, that’s kind of like the the, like a metaphor for life. Right? It’s like, if the stoplight is like creation or life that’s you know, stopping and going and just flowing and just moving where at once you know, one time chap is going this way, one time is going this way, one time is coming right at you at one time, it’s just going with you. And it’s like, you can sit there and say, Oh, fuck the traffic’s coming right now I gotta stop. It’s done, that it’s not gonna stop there that light changes, right? And so it’s like that, to me is surrender. You just got to kind of be there under that light. And here comes a traffic bullshit. We’re gonna deal with that. And then oh, it’s going that way. Cool. It’s going that way. And that way, but you’re in the flow with it, you know? So? I don’t know. That’s just what kept popping in my head as you guys were talking.

Guy 16:22
Yeah. And I keep thinking, Matt, about the q&a we did with bill bennett from PJs classes. Yeah. Yeah. And he was saying about making the movie, right, because he said, Look, it’s not about me getting lazy and just sitting on the couch. I surrender. Yeah, no an open things will will come to magically work out. You know, there’s, I think we have to meet everything halfway in our actions and our intent and what we do. Yeah, but what was wonderful why he was saying every time he hit a roadblock and field grip in and that is it, that everything wouldn’t work like, but the moment he surrendered into it and just trusted and almost just come back to heart. Then he said the film actually picked up speed and the way it evolved and turned out even better than he could ever imagine. But it was learning that surrender the attachment and coming back.

Matt 17:11
Well, yeah, it was like, Oh, he didn’t he also say that those moments were when love was something to be learned. Right. Some growth was coming forward. Yeah. Like, just not working, hammer down and push through it. It’s like, wait a minute, why is this so hard? I know I need to learn here.

Guy 17:29
Exactly, exactly. Yeah. Beautiful. All right. descender, my son is three, and he has a condition called reactive airway syndrome. The doctors say it’s a precursor to asthma. I’m wondering how I can help him overcome this. Spiritually speaking, what could cause this How can I help him heal? The the look, there’s I think that’s a loaded question in some respects. And that like multifaceted, because I keep thinking back down to what Dr. Mather Alberto Villoldo was talking about hardware and software and things, I think there’s a lot of lifestyle factors in there. descender have no idea if you’ve been speaking to an integrative GP or as well and looking at other aspects of the three year old that could be causing that. And, and even chatting to Linda earlier was naturopath she said the first thing she thought about was to explore as well. She would explore would be the what Chinese medicine say about the lungs being around grief and sadness, as well embodied. But that’s as far as my input would go on that. rowboat. Anything. Any thoughts to add to that? Petra?

Petra 18:55
Yes, sure. As you ask, what could cause this spiritually speaking, well have in mind that your child I mean, all all of us choose our parents before we arrive here. So there is a lesson for you for sure. And I would say like guy says, of course, go and seek additional help and support him in this process. But at the same time, make sure that you work on yourself that you change, fear for love. And our children are very connected to our electromagnetic field, especially when they’re so small. So see, and observe what could have been happening while you were pregnant. Did you carry any sadness and grief right guys? Like I said, what was happening in his early development stage when he was already born. So he could pick up something from the environment but also there is a big load For him, for him as a soul he is. And again, don’t worry about what doctors doctors say in a way that it could cause asthma just don’t go that way. We working in this field, we have seen many, many, many miracles, despite what doctors said, and I’m one of them now, because I don’t know if some of you maybe know that I broke my leg few weeks ago, two months ago, and Doctor said that I won’t be able to walk and I just came from gym now because I go every day and do my rehab and I’m working on my toes. So I had to learn to walk again. And I was working on healing my body with meditations and and changing the way I’m looking at the whole thing and I know this thing, it’s really hard not to go that way with what doctors tells you especially because it’s your child. But just have in mind that there are other ways to heal and just support your child in any way you can. Whether seeking help, like Guy said from integrative doctor or naturopath, for sure. But also don’t invest your fear and your thoughts in Okay, this is going to become an asthma or he’ll have problems that his whole life whatever his little, and he can really, really grow and become a strong kid with amazing strong lungs and you can be an example to him.

Guy 21:39
Beautiful. We lost your video there. Petra, I think you’re back now.

Petra 21:44
Okay. Am I back?

Guy 21:47
No, no. Okay, let’s see now. No? Why not?

Matt 21:56
You heard the voice or the whole thing? Yeah, Guy?

Guy 21:58
Yeah, I hear the voice. Yeah, the voice.

Petra 22:00
Okay, I’m back. There you go. You’re back.

Guy 22:02
Yeah, there you go. Just in between world

Petra 22:05
Exactly. All right.

Matt 22:08
I just can I just want I want one thing. Yeah. This is what we weren’t gonna do. Right? I’ll answer the question. Just, it’s really easy to, like, you know, being a parent, I find it’s, um, and watching other parents as well. It’s such a challenging gig. And that it’s, it’s easy to put an over responsibility on our shoulders, especially when there’s like something that’s, you know, out of balance. And just to keep realizing, like, the idea of, you know, it’s like, at the essence of what we are, we’re holding a complete where there’s nothing wrong with us. And it’s like, I always, you know, want to find that space and want to go into that place of letting go of blame, letting go of an overall sense of responsibility. And just realize there might be, you know, sometimes the most challenging things are what were the greatest wisdom comes from the greatest growth comes from and maybe this, your child’s soul came in to wants to learn how to actually breed the fullness of life and or something along those lines. And it’s like, and so this is the journey for that discovery. There’s a whole a million different interpretations of what could be going on. But it’s like if you can hold that it’s so easy as a parent to do as well as to hold the Divinity that you see in that child even though there might be something that they’re really struggling with. And then that that helps them to move into that and move past the restrictions of limitation.

Guy 23:32
Beautiful, beautiful Yeah, I certainly didn’t feel qualified having no children myself to speak on that, that’s for sure.

Matt 23:41
Naturally.

Petra 23:42
Getting there, getting there.

Matt 23:44
We’ve all been children. So you’ve qualified.

Guy 23:46
Yeah, True. True. No, that I can remember my wife’s ways. All right, next question. Alana. When doing the Wim Hof breathing meditation, I sometimes find different energy centers feeling activated. Does the actual practice of doing the Wim Hof Method, activate and or clear the energy centers? And is it best to just observe or would mindful intentions at the time be useful for increased effects, healing, opening, releasing etc. Well, we could we could qualify Wim Hof Method as just breathing right, you know, and blanket it. I mean, I’ll stop but I’d love to hear your guys’s thoughts too. So from the Wim Hof Method, put hundreds of hours in of that breath work over the last couple of years and actually explored and I’ve actually explored seeing and holding the breathing and the breath work around the energy centers. Now what I find is is at the end of the day, if we’re awareness and we have consciousness and when we place a conscious workplace awareness. That is the ultimate. For me the ultimate trigger to shift energy is through that awareness and bringing in an intent behind it, which is bringing that force in. And I look at the breath work, as if the breath is connected to us spiritually, that’s our source and the connection, then. But we’re also having a physical experience, and we’re having chemical responses. And we’re stressing the systems within the body at the same time. So there’s two dynamics going on. But to answer your question, I actually started bringing my awareness to different energy centers. So I wouldn’t be surprised if it couldn’t be activated, because you’re already working on energy centers, or no Alanna through the work. But I would then bring my awareness to there. So I’m almost emphasizing the energy centers more from the breathing the chemical responses going on, and then holding my awareness and holding my intent there. And I was able to move that energy and opening it up. So to answer the second question around healing, open and releasing, absolutely. Like if you can bring your intent and visualization like we just did with like we do in the group intentions to different areas of the body, I find you intuitively start to realize where things are blocked with for things don’t feel good, you can connect in and you can drive the breath and the intent there and hold it and stuff. And when we use the metaphors of visualization or light, like for me, that’s just again, it’s just a way of guiding that intention and energy to we need a visualization to bring our interpretation of what we’re actually trying to do from it. That’s what I’ve kind of played around with. I mean, what are your thoughts, guys? Matt?

Matt 26:44
Petra, Petra is the energy center, okay, Goddess.

Petra 26:46
God bless. I would say it goes two ways. So one way is what guy was telling you about putting the attention in, which is really important if we want to enhance, enhance healing and support the whole process. And also, the other way is to surrender like Belinda was asking and let go and trust the process. So I would play with both, sometimes I would really put intention. And using symbols or visualization or certain feelings that I want to imprint in certain energy center, but also I would at some other times I would play to with the energy and surrender and allow the energy there is so much wiser than us to go through my body and do what it needs to do. So it’s, I would be playing with both. And that’s what I do, actually, sometimes I really focus on each Energy Center and explore and observe and play with it. But sometimes, and I really enjoy that other process is really learn to surrender, let go. And the more I surrender, the more I let go. I have the most amazing mystical experiences, and I wouldn’t change that for anything. So play and and it’s, explore it. There is not one one way to do this. And Matthew, you know, with sound as well, I mean, the same thing happens, right? You can influence each Energy Center in the right way with a sound as well. And yes, you can support that with intention, but also sometimes we need to let go and trust.

Matt 28:23
Absolutely.

Guy 28:25
Yeah. Beautiful. Okay. Next question. This one has gone on in, but I have experienced an electric feeling after some of the group intentions. And other times to that, that varies in intensity and can last for days. It feels like I’m plugged into a charge. And sometimes I have what feels like a tremor going through my body and especially my legs. I experienced this quite intensely after mats sound session, which was awesome. And while it feels amazing, I’m always left trying to work out what I’m feeling. Is it that my field is supercharged? Am I in more sensitive state to feel the field after certain practices? Should they be more mindful of what I do? And I feel like the supercharged meditation, yoga Healing Sessions, or just keep observing and see what happens.

Matt 29:25
I love these like four or five word questions, you know? God, I don’t know where to go with that one. What do you think?

Guy 29:37
I think ultimately, at the end of the day, the if you were to break the question down, there’s, there’s, there’s definitely an energy charge that can go through the body. We’re doing the group intentions, we’re doing this work. And sometimes and I even noticed it like more of done and I’ll be sitting there watching TV and the next thing and my legs start shaking and my feet start feel like they’re getting sucked into the ground because this energy is just moving, and it can be disarming. Yeah. And my thoughts around working with this and feeling that energy. And the more I’ve worked with, especially after the group intentions as well, because it can move stuff. I always think my new I always, the way I relate to is that my autonomic nervous system and nervous system is slowly starting to upgrade. And it’s starting to learn, and be able to transfer energy and frequency more freely through the body. But then we’ve got, it’s almost like, I don’t I think I even you this analogy, Matt wants like blowing crud out of a hose, pipe and clearing here. And I feel like that energy is finding its way into different block paths and so forth. And we do become more sensitive to it. You know, and this energy, but I always know, since I’ve worked with it for many years now that I, I feel like this, my body is actually evolving to cope with higher levels of frequency. What would you say? Petra, I mean, you use you see this all the time with working for Joe and everything?

Petra 31:07
Yeah, exactly. I said all the time. What I know today is that there are actually two reasons for that to happen. One is what you’ve been saying is that the energy has been just downloaded and our bodies and minds are trying to adjust to that and the energy just is going through our body and and clearing blocks. And also, our bodies and minds are trying to integrate this new information that we are receiving. The other thing is that our bodies remember everything that we’ve been through in our lives. And we store on subtler level with source information. So any trauma that we could have, whether it’s a small or a big trauma, and we didn’t deal with it properly at that time, and we left it where we live the memory, that emotional charge contracted in our body. And now when we are starting working to work with energy, that’s stored energy, just trying to find its way out. And our bodies are shaking, because they are releasing what what we have been carrying for years or decades. So it’s just a chance to free ourselves. So why do the does disease develop? Usually it’s because we’ve been carrying so long memories and stuff that we didn’t process sadness, shame, guilt, fear, and it just starts to weaken our physical bodies, if we don’t deal with it properly, and then the illness develops. So this way, when we allow energy to flow, we allow that source energy to go out and we are going back to the balanced and centered state. So I would say those two cases actually happened. And then what happened? I mean, I’m really working with lately, with so many people. And that’s it, what I can tell you, it’s like, hundreds of people.

Guy 33:17
And interestingly enough, right guys, the first default mechanism, because it’s a new experience, we just put fear to it. But yet, it’s actually a very liberating, freeing thing to happen. And when that’s the body, we know, right?

Petra 33:32
It’s a blessing, just go with the ride, yes,

Guy 33:35
it’s amazing.

Petra 33:37
You’re healing, and you’re gonna make, you don’t need to understand what is happening, just trust the process, again, trust your body, and the energy knows what to do.

Guy 33:48
Totally. And, and, you know, just to add to this, when you look, and this is what I remind myself of this work, when you look out there, and you see people struggling and, and coming up against it themselves and running in the program day in day out. And, and and i think how lucky we are to be able in a position to know this work exists, and that it’s actually happening, and it’s our time to lean in and learn. Like it’s such a beautiful thing. It’s such a beautiful thing. You know, and I’m so grateful for that every day. And I think if we can bring that beginner’s mind and that exploration, just like a child again, I want to learn to surf and it’s happy to write a couple of waves now and he’s not going to get hurt, you know, and then all of a sudden, you get on the thrill of the ride, which is, which is exciting.Cool.

Petra 34:40
And Matt we see that with your music as I mean, we did the sound as well. Like, I think we can share a lot as well. Regarding the vibration and the energy that is moving, right.

Matt 34:51
It’s all there. Yep. All vibration.

Petra 34:54
I’ve been all over the place on our retreat when you were doing your son’s session and I was I had a chance To be just one of the participants and I could really feel sound going through my body and then releasing whatever my body had to release. I’m sure you remember me arching on the floor? Being all over the place. So yeah,

Matt 35:18
yeah, What a weirdo.

Petra 35:23
What are you making me do?

Guy 35:25
The things we do? Hey. Alrighty, next question, Shane. What should you do when your kids interrupt your morning meditation halfway through? And can you have an extra 15 minutes sleep after morning meditation

Petra 35:47
15 minutes of the day.

Matt 35:50
That’s it. Like I like the kids one. Like, I always like, when my kids are running, I’m trying to do the meditation in like, I used to go out on the veranda. Like I get them sorted with food or whatever it is, they need no. Blackout, there’s been a blackout, whatever they need. And then it’s just, it’s, it’s hilarious. Because as I drop in, like, I always do a practice where I tone into the divine to turn into the sword source. And like, as like clicking just as I’m dropping in, like 990 9% of the time a child is right there. Daddy, daddy. It’s like, they just sense it. As soon as you start to like your attention, your awareness, it goes away from them. It’s like food and you’re into like, all of creation, or in your meditation or whatever. So when I’m on my game, I usually stay grounded in myself. And I use it as an opportunity to actually really anchor in my practice. And they’ll the, I’ll let them like, come out. Sometimes they’re like, you know, they’re five and seven. So they’re just crazy lunatics, but I’m coming the jump on my head, or they’re like, you know, start poking me or like, Katie likes to open my eyes when I’m and, and all this kind of stuff. And if I just sit there long enough, eventually they’ll drop in, and they’ll drop in with me. And it’s fascinating. There’s been these moments are like, I’m toning, and one of the kids have just come and sit in my lap and just feel the vibrations with me. And it’s like, it’s, it’s so fun to just play with that. But I know it’s challenging. So yeah, what I like to do it when they’re not around, or, um, you know, get up before they wake up and do it that way. But yeah, just play with it. I would say kids are playful kids are actually more connected to source and where we’re wanting to be anyway. So why not utilize that as an opportunity to play an explorer on energy?

Guy 37:40
Yeah, beautiful. And as for the 15 minutes extra sleep after the meditation, I’ve had some of the most profound moments when I lay back down after meditation, because then you you, you slip between delta and Sita, you know, and then four, that’s when you can induce some great experiences. So I definitely play around with it. Sure. You know, but do you find guys that from your experience, especially when first learning this work that the body was getting tired all the time from the adjustments?

Petra 38:18
Yeah, it can go both ways. Either you’re super energized and all over the place, or you’re like, half dead? Yeah.

Matt 38:29
That’s when that’s when you pull in the cold shower, the ice bath, right?

Guy 38:34
Exactly. But I did I did find I was sleeping a lot when when I started having to make some major life changes that I realized that were either embodied a certain way and I’m going up against my old self, and I was meditating and I was coming up against those barriers all the time, just like Hannah spoke about at the beginning and everything that I found I was quite drained because my my nervous system was starting to change and of course that operates everything and I realized how much shit I’ve been holding on to you know, so and I gave my myself the time I did slow down and I was resting when needed, the first time where you were used to just charge charts really,

Petra 39:18
really helpful. Yeah, that’s what I’m doing as well. Now whether I’m I’m at Dr. Joe’s retreats, or my retreats is I really take time off after the retreats because we do need time to adjust. And we are not even aware how big shifts we are making and whatever we what process we are going through and it’s the more I do it, it’s I’m more aware of the importance of the time we take after the retreat. So also guys, you could come into our retreat in August make sure that you have Can you will go probably back to work, but just at least leave time after work to decompress and just digest everything what you’ve been through. Totally, the process continues after the retreat.

Guy 40:05
So next question. And this is from Helena, who came to our last retreat and i think i believe is coming again to the new orchestra. Hmm.

Matt 40:14
haha sweet

Petra 40:15
Yeah, no no with Marlene.

Matt 40:18
Yeah, we’re gonna work that into the sound healings now. Yeah. gonna work out just like we’ll have to set it in itinerary of violin healing right here, boom.

Guy 40:28
Just Just to fill everyone in. Helena is a musician. She’s a music teacher, she plays a violin, she’s phenomenal. And I caught her playing in the octagon by yourself. In this, I think the second day of the retreat, and there’s like, there’s no way you’re keeping that to yourself. So beautiful. So she played for us on the third day, and it was just a magic moment. So Helen asked do most people enter a quote unquote, black space. in meditation, I would be interested to know if this is a natural step that most people go through in which they lose their sense of self. I think Petra, do you want to start that one? Because I know, Joe was always talking about the black space or whatever he speaks and stuff,

Matt 41:19
good imitation.

Petra 41:23
Well, what I can say well, is that my personal aim is to get there to really lose perception of myself and the environment and time and space. Especially because my brain is super active. And it really takes me probably, I’m sure half an hour to go through all the to do lists, and all things that are just running through my head, I have a zillion of thoughts. And my aim is really to reach that moment in meditation when I’m not dealing with my thoughts anymore. And I’m really am unaware of myself as a human being and just keep on surrendering to that blank space that we call it. Because for me, the magic starts there. And there, that is the place place again, which is not place, but there’s a space where we actually create and where we can really engage with a higher source and explore so many amazing, amazing things from Yeah, I won’t go too deep into it, but from different dimensions and downloading information and creating whatever he wants to create. So yeah, I would aim to go there that that is what I do.

Guy 42:44
And it’s phenomenal, right? It’s a brave new terrain when you haven’t been there before. But when there was like for you guys, I know. It’s like this moment. And then all of a sudden, it just boom, like, it’s like I’d finally drop in. And then I’m like, Whoa, there’s this huge awareness. But normally for me, there’s a rush of energy that’s that moves with it now, when I’m there. And and I actually get excited because I’m I play with myself, but the moment I think too much, I’m out of it. And you can shift. So my my challenge has been over the last probably 18 months has been able to extend that time and hold it and then hold it indefinitely. And then that’s when you lose track of time. And you can like you said, you can actually start exploring, exploring and visualizing and tapping into different energy frequencies.

Matt 43:37
We, that’s the moment is your de-activating your prefrontal cortex, because that’s the part of your brain that allows you to perceive time, and it’s the part that allows you to have body awareness. And that happens all the time in the breath sound Sessions is people lose that. And so like, you just go into that space. So it’s a place to be where you realize and that’s what’s happened in your physiology, you just, you’ve just learned to deactivate that prefrontal cortex and allow for that then expansion into a hyper conscious state. So yeah, powerful place to be for sure. Yeah.

Guy 44:14
For some, and again, but it’s

Petra 44:17
the process Helena so don’t be discouraged because it really takes time and practice to to get there and then we are all learning together. I mean, every day is a chance to move a little bit deeper. So it’s you’re on the right path. Don’t be discouraged if you’re not experienced in the blank space or whatever. There is no such thing as a bit meditation. So every time you sit in your meditation, you did a huge thing for yourself. Yeah. Yeah, cool. Okay. Okay.

Guy 44:51
Next question. Alia, doing this work. I A times get caught in between two worlds. I’m not my own. Self are not quite there yet to where my journey is leading me. Usually when life gets busy work demands, I continue to meditate daily educate myself further in this field in order to overcome it and step into future potentials. Any tips on where these resistances is usually stored in our bodies as energy blocks, the best ways to overcome it? A broad question, hope it makes sense, many thanks.

Matt 45:27
That two questions only reckon. Or, well, I mean, like this in between world thing, right? That sounded like a whole different topic than the last bit of that the resistance marking.

Petra 45:43
Yeah, didn’t do between two worlds would be like the old self and the new self or 3d and five years.

Guy 45:49
So you’re not you’re not the way I’m interpreted Is that you, you know, I call it the North Star, right, you have your future vision of yourself and where you want to go and what you want to do. And you start learning to connect the field. And that’s where creation is coming from. And you’re, you’re, you’re being pulled by your dreams more than been pushed by problems through life, right. But then we still get caught into our old self, we’re trying to catch into the two and we’re in both worlds. And it’s usually but but I then work it demands, I can meditate and they keep educating yourself into future potentials. But then this resistance is usually stored in the bodies.

Petra 46:34
Of course, it is.

Guy 46:37
The best way to overcome it.

Matt 46:39
Yeah. But that’s where you want to be like, that’s what we’re always going to be is, is in between, it’s like, that’s what that’s what this journey is about is like being able to maintain that in between space, because you’re always striving for something more, and you’re always going to be pulled back to where you are. It’s like, you’re tethered between those two worlds, always. So it’s like, that’s, that’s like, the hotspot is in between? Because then you know that you’re you’re moving, right?

Guy 47:06
Yeah. And the way I see that man is right, so then we’re we’re slowly trying to expand, there’s an expansion of ourselves, there’s growth, we’re raising our consciousness, right. But ultimately, in a raising our awareness, and that’s, that’s human evolution, I see it as, and, but when I’m driven by a future vision of myself, that I think, wow, I want to lean into that I want to go with that. And, but as that expansion still continues to happen, I come against roadblocks that are my belief systems that that then get in the way, but it manifests in a way because my body has given me signals, like for instance, what we might make a decision, I made the decision to do the PGS, three months ago, right. And then I could feel old traits and habits kicking in, that reside in so I had to come back to be come in the awareness to observe what my body was going on and making me feel because there was still a belief system. So you know, this veil is this going to work out. But then it was coming out emotionally in the body. So I would meditate and breathe and just really learn to tap into that until it would expand and move through that I always felt almost felt like it was like me rinsing a sponge, or still the ship that’s not in me, you know, that’s still there. And I just keep doing that. And but then what happens and where I think most people fall down, is that we buy into that so much we retreat, and we don’t allow ourselves to continue in that expansion and flow that we spoke about at the beginning has taken us towards a congruency of our heart and head of where we want to live. So to kind of I think I’m hoping I’m answering that is then I just go back to go, Well, how am I observing right now, because now is all there is this moment, and every moment, and that hasn’t happened yet. And I can still improve the probabilities of these things coming in. And if I don’t get in the way to my, it’s gonna work out even better than I could imagine. Which is exactly what happened with the PGS. The other week.

Petra 49:17
It’s an everyday process, it’s just being aware of what is coming up from the old emotions, like fear that you mentioned or doubt. And just switching and raising energy every day, just working in meditations and being aware during the day and switch, switch switch. And with time you one day you’ll realize, okay, I switched it, it’s not here anymore. But it takes effort and it takes really, we need to invest energy, and we’ll into that,

Matt 49:47
Totally, totally.

Petra 49:48
because we’ve been carrying for years for decades, the fear and the doubt and we are programmed the old way. So we are changing the programs and we need to change the neural structure in our brain. Then we need to play the body from the older chemicals, which are emotions, the old emotions that are going through our body. So it takes effort to do that.

Guy 50:09
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Beautiful. Are we doing for time? 10 minutes? Yeah, yeah, we’re doing… We’re doing great guys. Yeah. Okay. q&a asks, after my meditations, sometimes I feel lightheaded or light bodied, not in a bad way. Just wondering if you knew what this could mean.

Petra 50:33
Feeling light headed after meditation?

Guy 50:35
Yeah.

Petra 50:36
Okay. Do you wanna go?

Guy 50:39
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I’ve even past out from experimenting with things. But But I think to pull it back, I just think it’s the body adjusting. That’s all I can put it down to, and you’ll get different phenomena starting to happen. Because again, if you think about the autonomic nervous system that’s connected to every single system in the body that send an every single signal around part of the subconscious. And as those adjustments come, we can start to there’s a recalibration going on. That’s how I perceive it as at the end of the day, and I just kind of observe it and, you know, trust the way I feel to be honest with you. Will you guys agree with that?

Petra 51:25
Yeah, well, I can share what what I experienced with my clients after the recession is the day that I need to ground them. And it’s very, very important that we ground before they go out of my studio, or if I work online before we finish a session, because when we work with subconscious mind, whether it’s in meditation or in therapy, and we expand our coach’s consciousness, so much part of us is outside of our body, right? So we need to, because we are getting information without our conscious mind. And then we need to ground that energy back. So when we are feeling lightheaded, we are still out of our body or just like part of our energy field is still out. So we need to ground back. So what I would recommend is just take a few minutes to really feeling your body feeling the ground beneath you. Taking some water or drinking some water, getting some food, walking barefoot on the grass, imagining you have roots and just letting go. letting them go throw your feet down to the ground. It’s important for to ground so we don’t go out and have an accident or something because we are not present in this moment. So yeah, it’s a way of learning how to be connected but also present in this reality.

Matt 52:49
Damn, quiet down Petra.

Petra 52:52
Yeah.

Matt 52:55
That’s it.

Guy 52:58
Take a cold shower. Yeah.

Petra 53:01
Yeah, or take a cold shower. Yeah, just engage your senses any way you can.

Guy 53:06
Yeah, yeah, totally. Um, a couple of more questions here. So this one’s from Megan. Where do you get your background music for the meditations, please? I’m finding I’m walking around with Petras Energy Center and Guy’s meditations music playing in my head outside of the meditations and the music is so awesome. The moving Thanks in advance Miggs. cool to be quite a few others there wouldn’t there. No, Scott. Scott Buckley is one

Petra 53:34
is one Bear and Goldstein Goldstein, how do you pronounce his last name?

Guy 53:39
I Goldstein.Barry Goldstein Yeah. Yeah, and I forgot the other name. We should actually create the link in the forum actually have different music we like to meditate to be good idea. But yeah, Scott Buckley? Definitely on your energy center ones for sure.

Petra 54:07
Yes.

Guy 54:10
And we got Brent asks, should my journaling still be a daily task? I think you’re nodding your head. Petra.

Petra 54:24
I am nodding my head. Yes. It’s an amazing tool to be self aware and to get in touch with yourself your feelings, your thoughts and everything. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think?

Guy 54:37
Yeah, I think I think it’s, I think it’s a tool and if it resonates, then 100% do it. You know, to start observing the subconscious itself. And even if you can freehand write without thinking too much and see what comes up is a good process as well. You know, I tend to handwrite everything to be honest here. Whether I’m journaling or making notes on setting goals or intentions. I tend to handwrite it all for me, but I journal for a while. I don’t personally journal every day now, but that’s not to say I wouldn’t recommend it. 100% for sure. Cool. :Chris here I just want to say hi guys.

55:25
Hey,

Guy 55:27
Pierre: I’m still vibing from Sunday need to learn to play the drum man.

Matt 55:34
Boy, Pierre was 20 questions on Sunday? He kept me on my toes, man. That’s the deep ones.

Guy 55:42
I don’t doubt it. I don’t doubt it. And, and Paul said, Petra, how are you going with healing your leg?

Petra 55:51
I’m amazing, Paul. Thank you. Really. I’ll be wearing high heels in a few weeks. Just wait and watch.

Guy 55:59
How many weeks has it been? Petra?

Petra 56:01
It’s been exactly eight weeks now.

Guy 56:03
Eight weeks. Wow. And how many times have you had many intentions on it as well?

Petra 56:10
Well, I had one in Bonn when the team other team leaders were doing the intention. I had one with or two with you guys. And another two. So like five of them? I would say Yeah.

Matt 56:28
Yeah. Good. All this intention you get?

Petra 56:31
Yeah. And learn to receive Matt. Find a good one.

Matt 56:37
Take it all.

Petra 56:40
So thank you, Paul Paul, for asking. It’s really it’s an amazing journey. I’m more than grateful. grateful that it happens. And I’m learning so much. And I will write about it. So. Yeah. It’s amazing teacher. Amazing lesson.

Guy 56:57
Yeah. Beautiful. Beautiful. Well, there you go, guys, we’ve covered all the questions. And bang on the one hour. Fantastic. So if you’re listening to this later on, and you want to get any more questions, or pick up a conversation, just put them in the forum, because other people learn from the conversations too. And be sure to engage as well don’t just passively read and sit on the sidelines because you’d be amazed what can can happen by by contributing as well. So Petra, Matt, thank you so much for joining us. Yeah, yeah. And guys, thank you guy and guy. Yeah. And we will be hopefully we’ll we’ll have dates for next month coming up as well. And of course we’ve got the retreat coming up in August when there’s about I think recording of this 10 spots taken with so there’ll be 20 left. So if you want to join us and go deeper down, be sure to hit me up, ask me questions, whatever. This stuff is awesome. Beautiful guys. Much love to you all. And thank you for all for those that watch tonight. Hope you enjoyed. And I shall see you all very soon.

Petra 58:13
Thank you. Bye, guys.