#183 This week, my wonderful guest is Dr Jeffrey Thompson. Jeffrey is is the Founder/Director of the Center for Neuroacoustic Research in Carlsbad, California and his goal is to heal the body, mind, and spirit through the scientific application of sound.

During our episode today, Jeffrey shares many pearls of wisdom regarding the effects of stress on our lives, the connection between brainwave entrainment and your autonomic nervous system, and how we can cure the root of our diseases and problems by utilizing sound.

If you’re looking for an alternative healing method, then this episode is the one to guide you.

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About Dr Jeffrey: Dr. Jeffrey Thompson is the Founder/Director of the Center for Neuroacoustic Research in Carlsbad, California, a research center which is actualizing its vision of “Healing the Body*Heart*Mind and Spirit through the Scientific Application of Sound.” Dr. Thompson is considered the world’s premier sound healing researcher, brainwave entrainment expert, and high-tech personal transformation innovator, motivator and futurist. He is a physician/ musician, composer, inventor, educator and author.

His work addresses harmony between the body/mind/spirit and is clinically proven to foster deep personal wellness and expansion of consciousness. Certified in multiple healthcare modalities, Dr. Thompson draws people nationally and internationally to his clinical practice and to his cutting-edge auditory, kinesthetic and visual therapeutic products and services.

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Key points with time stamp:

• Fostering ExtraordinaryWellness & Expansion of Consciousness (00:00)
• Utilizing sound to heal and expand consciousness (00:26)
• Relating the autonomic nervous system to brainwave entrainment (08:36)
• Your diet and lifestyle doesn’t matter…? (25:01)
• Healing the root of the disease (30:44)
• The process of aligning your autonomic nervous system (42:12)
• The beginning of binaural beats (48:49)
• Your body, its need for safety, and the effects of panic (53:36)
• Jeffrey’s experience with ADHD, Depression, and Autism in patients (01:02:55)
• Working with your body and not against it (01:07:22)
• Can you have an appointment with Jeffrey remotely? (01:10:07)

Mentioned in this episode:

• Vedas, a religious text originating from India
• Gerald Auster

Jeffrey’s Website:
Center for Neuroacoustic Research

Bio-Tuning Resources:
The Bio-Tuning Automated System | The Center for Neuroacoustic Research

Jeffrey’s YouTube Channel:
Dr. Jeffrey Thompson – YouTube

About me:

My Instagram:
www.instagram.com/guyhlawrence/?hl=en

My website:
www.guylawrence.com.au
www.liveinflow.co

 

TRANSCRIPT

Guy 0:01
Jeffrey, welcome to the podcast.

Jeffery 0:03
Oh, it’s my pleasure to be here. Yeah. Talking to the AI side of the world.

Guy 0:09
You gotta love technology. I I’ve travelled the world a lot over the last 12 months via technology on my podcast. So it’s been great

Jeffery 0:17
as some of the ones I do from Asia, you know, I’m talking to somebody, and they’re like tomorrow.

Guy 0:26
Yeah. time travelling. Yeah. And I look, I deeply appreciate you coming on Jeffrey, the, my play. I’ve been jumping into your work. And I’m like, wow, there’s so many avenues that we could go down very quickly here. And I’m fascinated to see where the conversation goes. But I always start with the same question for every guest on the show. And it’s a very simple one. And that is, if you were at an intimate dinner party right now, and you sat next to a stranger and they asked you what you did for a living? What would you say?

Jeffery 1:01
Oh, that’s, that happens to me all the time. I mean, what you know, Einstein once said, If you can’t explain quantum physics to a six year old, you don’t understand it. You know, but yeah. Well, I mean, the short answer to that is I am a I have a PhD in other-ology. Other ology Yeah, so no, I’m I, I tend to shy away from saying that I, you know, am a sound therapist. because too many other things come to mind. Usually, the first thing that comes to mind is Tibetan bowls, or something, or maybe toning, or troffers, or tuning forks or something, and nothing wrong with those. But it’s more of I use scientific monitors, Eg heart rate variability, which I can explain, that allow me to see inside your brain inside your autonomic nervous system to see the master control centre of your body. And I combine these scientific instruments with high tech sound generating equipment to influence how my brain works, and how my body works for healing, and for expanding consciousness for sort of high tech meditation. That’s, that’s the broad stroke. There’s, once you start to dig into that, though, the, you know, the fact that you that we can hook people up to eg is we can see different research institutes around the world who are exploring what different, what does the brain look like when you’re in different states of consciousness. And so they hook up these fancy schmancy EEG machines. And now we’ve got an A brain mapping computers, with three dimensional displays rotating your brain around, and you can see where all the brain activity is on different areas of the cortex, and you can see how they’re communicating to each other. And you can see what type of brain frequencies are aware in unprecedented, you know, detail. And what you want to see is, what does what does enlightenment look like? or What does creativity look like? or What does the flow state look like? or What does the brain do when I problem problem solve or access my true creative juices where I get out of my own way, and the best stuff comes through new original ideas lateral out of the box thinking, what are those things look like? And that’s been very well catalogued? What does it look like different states of meditation in different from different cultures? What does what does that look like? And once we can see what that looks like, and then over here, on the other hand, we’ve got really sophisticated new technologies that can do things that have never been possible before. And one of those is something called brainwave entrainment. Which means that we can use various means I can use light that is pulsing or sound that is pulsing, or electromagnetic fields that are pulsing at a certain speed. And so the basic idea is if if I create a sound pulse that’s pulsing at a brainwave speed, my body clocks try to get my brainwaves to time to that, because that’s how my body works. My my body is always trying to time my body clocks to the external pulses in the world. Why? Because I want to save energy. Rule number one in the body is survive at all costs. Rule number two, get the most work with the least amount of energy expended. Don’t waste energy. So in order to do that I have body clock so my body clocks or time themselves to the world, if I can dance to a drumbeat that’s already beating, it saves energy to do so. So we can commandeer the system by exposing you to the most dominant pulse in your environment. Let’s say a samples, like like wood sound pulses through your headphones right now. And that would be the most dominant pulse in your environment. Because it’s closer, it’s louder. It’s more dominant and your brainwaves in a few minutes would change and start to change from wherever you are and slow down to match whatever that was. So I say the earliest use of that would be shamanic drumming practices. Yeah. And when you analyse recordings and videos of shamans, pounding the drums, I’ve done extensive work with that in my recording studio, and you can you can take those recordings, you can turn them out, what’s the speed of the drum beat, speed of the drum beat tends to be around five hertz. If I, you know, had something to pound on here, like, this is the drum. That’s about right. And that’s about five hertz. Five hertz, five cycles per second. That’s a theta, brainwave. It’s where you go in dreaming sleep. Your brain was slowing down as you go to sleep into alpha and then theta and delta delta deep sleep in theta is where dreaming happens. And so that means that if I started pounding this drum at five hertz, your brainwaves will try to time themselves to it. And right now, as we’re talking, our brainwaves are rapid in beta, around 15 to 20 hertz. And that electrical activity, your brain will start to slow down and slow down, it’ll go into alpha, at 13 hertz and keep going 12 1110 987 it goes into theta six and five, get matches onto that sound pulse, and locks onto it. And once it locks on, if I speed that pulse up or slow it down, your brainwaves will follow that’s called the frequency following response and eg. And essentially, once that happens, you’re hypnotised when you follow my lead, that is hypnosis, so but in the in the big sense if I’m awake, and I pound this drum at five hertz, and my brainwaves slow down, and I go into this five hertz thing and lock on there, I just took you from an awake state, into a dream state without going to sleep first. That’s a classic definition of a trance and a trance, on eg, is very similar to meditation, it’s all the same kind of business. I mean, when somebody hypnotises you, all they’re doing is getting rational mind out of the way, and accessing big mind that can do things that I don’t think, you know, I can increase my memory, I can access memories from the past that I didn’t think I had I can I can do superhuman things I can do sort of psychic things. Anyway, it’s interesting.

Guy 8:36
But once we are absolutely I’m gonna ask him a question to you is with that, to wrap it up for people listening, because you mentioned about the brain and the autonomic nervous system, and you’re measuring these. Yeah. My question is to you, why are we going in that direction? And why are you going in that direction, as opposed to if you look at Western medicine to healing, it’s like, Oh, I got a problem. I must take something external to fix the problem without looking at the root cause, per se. Yeah. But how do you tie in the brain and the autonomic nervous system for people to relate that to healing with the brainwave entrainment? That’s a good question you’re talking about so

Jeffery 9:19
that the work that I’ve done has evolved over the decades, and it looks very different than when I began. And what made it really different was 25 years ago, I gained access to a heart rate variability device. So in reality, I mean, I was I teach, I teach this stuff in a college course. So I’m in this college and I have my office there and one day some guy knocks on the door some guy I have never seen this guy before. An older man by At that time, I was getting a lot of press because I was doing, you know, crazy weird stuff and getting a lot of television radio and. And so this guy says, What are you I’ve been I’ve been reading about you. And I think you might be the guy who can use this machine I’ve got kicking around in my garage, I want to give it to somebody who might be able to use it as What is it? heart rate variability and going, what’s that? Well, it hooks up some, some sensors on your body and it measures your heart information, that electrical information from your heart does different math. Now, what pops out the end is these screens that show your autonomic nervous system. I’m going, really the autonomic nervous system, like the master control system in the centre of the brain that tells all systems what to do, like the master bio computer programme that that somehow synchronises all of it, everything under the hood. And it goes, Yeah, I guess you could put it that way. I’m going yeah, I’m interested. I mean, yeah, how much you want. I’m not looking to buy it. I mean, just sell it to anybody. I mean, I want somebody who could use it, and I’m going, Oh, he hands it to me, the guy turns around and walks away and never see him again, in my whole life. It’s like, you know, what just happened? You know, everyone’s so well, the clouds open up, and the big voice comes out and says, you know, you’re supposed to do this now. And was more obvious does have to be you know, so anyway, so I start, you know, exploring this device, and you put, you hook up some risk sensors and, and then a couple of minutes on the screens, you can see the sympathetic, parasympathetic. But it’s a snapshot device, it gathers 190 heartbeats and then stops and crunches numbers and pops up the screens. And what it was showing me was, it could nail my current state of health, on a graph of 66 possible states of health. That’s how accurate it is. It’s a gold standard in medicine, and allopathic medicine. It’s and and why is because by analysing how the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems, which formed the autonomic nervous system sympathetic person today, by analysing how they’re responding, it can accurately predict if you’re going to die, and win from disease, and particularly a heart attack. And the reason that is heart attack is the big one, because it’s the biggest killer. And it’s got the most, you know, insurance coverage. So modern medicine is hypnotised by it the ability to predict heart attack from what happens so, so deep into the heart rate variability just a little bit without getting too crazy. What HRV is doing is measuring the space between each heartbeat. So that Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, you’re familiar with is a space, which each of those heartbeats is measuring the space between them in microseconds, and the international standard is 190 of them to get a good sample set? And it turns out that the more uneven the beats are, the more healthy you are. And I would think, Well, wait a second, I think the more perfect, right, but no, the more imperfect, the more variable. That’s why it’s called heart rate variability. It’s measuring the variability between the spacing between each heartbeat. And the more irregular, the more healthy you are, and the more metronome light and everything exactly the same, becomes this super accurate predictor of death by heart attack. But also predicts death by any disease process that’s in your body. That really is super accurate. Anyway, so I was able to use this to measure before and after of my patients that I was doing my sound work with, for healing. And so I could confirm that the sound work I was doing was having an objective, good response, people were getting better by this device. But it wasn’t good. It wasn’t good enough. What I wanted was I want that device to tell me what sound frequencies to use to get the best response. So I started looking around for a company that made HRV to make me a real time system that wasn’t a snapshot that stopped after 190 heartbeats. I wanted to keep going. I wanted to be able to see the sympathetic, parasympathetic live on the computer screen. So if I expose you to certain very precisely tuned sound waves, I could see your nervous responding to it. Right So, and I’ve got this lab of very sophisticated equipment, I can tune between CNC sharp on a piano by 100 steps with a digital readout. And I can make that 1000 steps in my computer. So I’m getting very accurate to a few decimal points of a sound wave. And seeing that it can change the function of the autonomic nervous system under the hood here by tuning your brain. I mean, blows my mind. That’s amazing, right? Yeah. So now all of a sudden, there’s there’s a test that I learned in first year clinic when I was going to school, and that was 45 years ago. But this test of the blood pressure cuff test is a test for adrenal insufficiency, which means it’s really a test of your stress handling system. And so what happens is you take your blood pressure, when you lay down, you lay down, you wait for about five minutes for everything to cool down, heart rate, respiration should reach their bottom, called baseline. You take a blood pressure measurement of your blood pressure at baseline, and then you stand up and take your blood pressure. And what happens when you stand up is gravity starts to pull the blood out of your head, right? That the blood pressure starts to drop. And the barometric receptors, your carotid arteries are there specifically to monitor the pressure of blood in your brain. It’s important because you can’t live without blood in your brain, right, so. So as soon as it begins to drop, because of this gravity, these guys have an alarm go off. And that signals the autonomic nervous system, the sympathetic nervous system turns on that’s a fight or flight response. That signals your pituitary which kicks your adrenal glands which raise your blood pressure, just enough to neutralise that gravity. This is normal, functional behaviour of the autonomic nervous system. So that means that everybody’s walking around upright has got five millimetres of mercury, higher blood pressure than normal, or higher blood pressure than when you’re laying down and a little bit of sympathetic on. And if the adrenals were weak, if you were really stressed out for years and years until your adrenals just started to fatigue out, then when you lay down, and after a few minutes, you stand up, you faint and fall down on the floor. Because the blood pressure just goes out the adrenals aren’t there to kick in, or they’re sluggish. You stand up, you get woozy, and then it kicks in, that’s adrenal insufficiency, your adrenals are weak, they can’t they’re not snappy, they can’t kick in. So now that I’ve got this heart rate variability device that I had made for me, and I have a patent on it, this real time system, now I can do a reverse raglin test, where now I don’t have to use blood pressure anymore, because I’m now monitoring who tells blood pressure what to do downstream. I’m at the headwaters up here at the master control system that tells all system what to do. So now I’m observing it live. And when you lay down, I should see a little bit of sympathetic tone from the gravity of stress. And I shouldn’t see a collapse down to zero homeostasis, zero stress in the system in three minutes. And when I began beta testing this I’m seeing every single person coming in. Now i beta tested this for six years as 1000s of patient visits. Nobody has a normal response, no one. And I’m thinking this can’t be right. Statistically, that’s impossible. I mean, there must be something wrong with my machine. And Nope, nothing wrong with this machine. There’s something wrong with our world. That’s what’s wrong. Everybody’s got after three minutes after five minutes after 10 minutes to sympathetic, it’s just solidly on, it’s not moving. And that is a runaway fight or flight response. And this is not a good thing. Because when you when you look at how the body how the body is broken, and the brain is made. The autonomic nervous system is supposed to be always a neutral, we should be in this homeostasis don’t have zero stress in the system, where all my energy comes back into my reservoir in my body use that energy to work on a never ending maintenance list and repair list that’s constantly going on. There’s this magic act going on under the hood here. If we’re just not aware of, I mean, think of what happens when you cut yourself right that the blood kind of stops by itself and the thing kind of closes up and the scab warms, and the scab drops off, and you got a little line with what the heck just happened there. What, what is going on under this system that makes that happen all on automatic under the hood, without me knowing what the hell’s going on. I mean, it’s like amazing to me. And that is going on all the time. On a million levels, every minute of the day, there’s a Think of all the things that have to go on in here is healing tissues. I mean, every time I move my arm, at a microscopic level cells are being destroyed by friction at the Joint Service. But new ones are being born to replace them at the same rate. So you don’t need pain, and you don’t need inflammation. So for pain, we’ve got endorphin neurons in the brainstem that tops my body up with endorphins, so I don’t feel that pain. And my adrenal glands produce corticosteroid hormones that flood my system all the time to suppress unneeded inflammation responses. So what happens if we’re running this fight or flight response all the time, one thing that’s gonna happen is my adrenals are running all the time. Right, they’re running all the time. But what happens when the adrenals are running as part of the fight or flight response? adrenaline, kicks up my blood pressure. So I’ve got higher blood pressure than normal. Adrenaline suppresses the pancreas, it liberates extra glucose to be super strong to fight for my life. So I’ve got, by default, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, those are the two biggest prescriptions in the Western world. High blood pressure, pre diabetic pills, that’s it. And you know what, I say that over half, or complete misdiagnosis, it’s got nothing to do with your heart, it’s got nothing to do with your pancreas, you don’t have diabetes, you’re never did, what you’ve got is hyper adrenals, driving those up in the normal process of the fight or flight response that is abnormally stuck in an on position that’s rolling all the time. And you’re so I’m seeing patient who come in who I mean, I’m, you know, I’m the witch doctor, at the end of the trail. People have been everywhere, and they’re finally coming to make, really. So I see the gnarliest, craziest conditions, you can imagine, and everybody’s got this fight or flight response going all the time. And the more I think about it, the more I I’m, you know, bringing back my knowledge of anatomy and physiology, normal functional physiology, how the system is designed to work. I’m like sort of grokking out what would be the ramifications of running a fight or flight response all the time, and never pushing in the clutch never going back to homeostasis so that the energy comes to my reservoir. So I can start working on my maintenance list, right. And the more I think about it more, I realise that without the maintenance, that’s when that’s abandoned. I’m just burning, burning up all my resources, I there is no repair going on. That means normal joint motion, those cells are not being reborn and rebuild at the same rate is abandon and the adrenals are wearing out and adrenaline is going down and corticosteroids are going down and what’s going to happen. Everything’s going to start to hurt. Everything is going to start to get inflamed. Because now there’s nothing to suppress inflammation is throughout my whole system. And now it all depends, and I’m going to get fatigued all the time. So chronic fatigue syndrome, that’s the cause. fibromyalgia. That’s the cause it’s a throwaway turn, all the tests come back negative. Everything’s getting inflamed. So it just turns out if you’re now it’s Where’s your weak link in your genetic chain? If your weak link is your mucous membranes, then you have allergies. If your weak link is a collagen tissue connective tissue, then is your joints and you’ve got arthritis. I know that guy Arthur arthritis and his brother Harry, Harry Krishna. It’s it’s a throwaway thing. It’s crazy. It’s But anyway, so.

Guy 24:34
So question for you then Jeffrey. Because what you say? Like I listen to everywhere that and it’s mind blowing. And especially that the fact that you had 6 years and 1000s of people all coming in, in the stress response.

Jeffery 24:50
And that was 30 years ago. Oh my god, imagine it now.I’ve been I’ve been single, full time patients ever since then. So it’s 10s of 1000s of visits. So

Guy 25:01
would it would it be fair to say then that no matter the diet, the lifestyle or the things that we’re doing if we don’t address the underlying autonomic nervous system and the relationship to the parent that our actual getting our homeostasis back in check, we’re pushing shit uphill, because that’s the fundamental underlying root like you say that, yeah, the maintenance isn’t happening.

Jeffery 25:30
Yes, is why. As time has gone on, I’ve become more and more convinced that stress is the ultimate cause of disease. It’s not stress, it’s my ability to handle stress, my stress handling system, if it’s impaired is ultimate cause of disease. But when you the deeper you think about this, the more it becomes. And I can give some examples of that too, to flesh it out. But first of all, is not just the adrenal. So let’s think that we know what the cascade looks like, with a fight or flight response. sympathetic turns on sympathetic governs pulling energy out of that reservoir into my muscle to fight for my life. parasympathetic dominance is pulling the energy out of the reservoir into my gut, to digest my food and eliminate toxins. When those activities are not happening, when I’m not eating or digesting my food, and I’m not running for my life, then it’s homeostasis energy in the reservoir working on my list. So pretty simple concept. When I get locked into a fight or flight response all the time, then other things happen, right, my body is going to pull all available energy from everywhere it can get to a bay rule number one, survive at all costs, do whatever is necessary to survive, because if you don’t, then you die like an idiot. And the whole thing is for nothing, right? So yeah, devote all your energy to survive. And that means I’m going to pull all available energy out of my gut, out of my elimination system, out of my immune system, out of my higher brain centres, my brain goes on instinctive mode, and put it in my muscle to fight for my life, my adrenals are raising my blood pressure. So I’ve got more oxygen running past everything. And it’s suppressing the pancreas. So I’ve got extra glucose. So now I’ve superstrong the mother lifting the car off the little baby, you know. And now that’s my life, that’s who I am. That’s where I am running that all the time, not rebuilding anything, tissues or breaking down all over my body. Until eventually, somebody is going to drop off the edge and become a true you know, pathologic condition. Up to this point, what the body does, Beth is Rob Peter to pay Paul. So this system starts to get weak, and the body recruits this system to help this guy to heal. But the healing programme is disengaged, because this is a requirement for healing to take place. homeostasis, zero. Yeah, that’s just engaged. So this day never arrives. So this guy is like locked into doing his job plus this guy’s job, he’s getting weak. This guy gets recruited help him this guy gets recruited to help him. That’s how the body works. Right? It Julia reeks the situation to get through anyhow. To survive it, whatever you have to do. So now I’m at a deficit. And all of those balls are generally have symptoms that pop up. And when I go to the medical doctor with all these symptoms, and the doctor does lab tests, and x rays, or CAT scans, or whatever it is, and they all come back negative, you have to understand that all those tests are looking for pathology. They’re all based on looking for pathology, even your blood test, we’re looking for pathology, unless your blood test comes back with you know, an H for high or an L for low, then you’re fine. No, that’s that’s how it works. The body has symptoms when it’s out of balance functionally, to alert me to do something about the underlying cause before it goes far enough into the future where pathology actually does arrive. So when I go to the medical doctor, and he’s doing tests that only look for pathology, underlying that philosophical idea is either you’re 100% Well, or you’re pathologic. That’s not how it works. doesn’t work that way. We go through years decades of robbing Peter to pay Paul and jury rigging the situation with baling wire and duct tape in order to make it work anyhow. So nobody goes abnormal. That’s the reason. buddy’s doing it that way. And so What’s what are they going to do? They’re going to give you some kind of pill to silence the symptom that you’re suffering from? And what what about what’s going on underneath? What about the cause of that symptom, nobody’s doing anything about that. So what’s going to happen is going to get worse and worse and worse and worse and worse, more symptoms, more pills, until the does drop off the edge. And now you show up on my pathology tests, and Oh, now I can see it. But by that time, you’re an expensive true medical case, now you’re being dragged into the system. And now, you don’t want to be there. You don’t want to end up in a hospital operations and

Guy 30:42
mind blowing me.

Jeffery 30:44
Yeah, you don’t want to go there. So what it really means is that we have generations of a population of people that are the sickest that we’ve ever seen in human history. It’s like, the kinds of diseases are weird. And the pervasiveness of all the different conditions that we’ve got, in my opinion, is mostly two things. One of them is i attr, genic illness caused by your doctor, in this case, caused by your, by the medical systems negligence, in not manage your condition properly. What do you expect is going to happen if I just silenced the symptoms, I mean, it’s kind of like I’m sitting on my couch, and I’m watching my favourite movie and the smoke alarm goes off, and now I’m disturbed. So they, you know, they, they prescribed ear muffs.

Guy 31:46
take the battery out.

Jeffery 31:47
And then an operation walk along. From the smoke alarm, there’s the operation. And now this the fire is working his way to your living room, and it’s burning up your couch, and your arm is getting second degree burns. And so they prescribe cortisone cream, and painkillers. It’s like insane. It’s doesn’t make logical sense for anybody who’s got a brain to think I mean, so. And and here’s the thing that gets me is I took the same courses that they did, you know, anatomy and physiology and biochemistry is all there. I mean, we know that silencing symptoms is, is leaving the underlying condition unresolved, that will, it’s not going to get better, it’s getting worse. More symptoms, more pills. And we’re not even talking about the side effects of the pills. I mean, you know, don’t get me started down that road. I that’s another rule we don’t want to go on. So what I’m talking about is from a holistic standpoint, really what we’ve got, we have a we have a war of ideas between of what is health, and what is disease, and what do you do about it? That’s the war. And we’ve got two camps in that war, the allopathic view, which is silence, the symptoms, and the holistic view, which is dig deep and find what the causes. Now those systems need to work together. And when they don’t, it’s us to suffer, suffers. You know, modern medicine has got incredible technologies for saving your life in a heroic manner in ICU or in the emergency room. But when you use the technologies of pathology, for functional conditions that are not pathologic, you create pathology, you’re using the wrong tools, you’re using a sledgehammer when you need a feather. So So back to In my case, how I’m I’m myself using sound as a tool in a holistic model. For me, the body is is strategic, not tactical. And what I mean by that is the autonomic nervous system that gets feedback from every part of the body. But in all different systems are sending information up into the autonomic nervous system and is monitoring the the dance and how everybody is synchronised up together and is sending signals back out when things are drifting to bring them back, constant thing going on here. And that means that if I have a problem with my liver starts to get congested, I started to get some symptoms, then it’s not the livers fault. It’s the autonomic nervous systems fault for not managing it. In relation to all the other glands on systems and systems in the body. It’s supposed to be managing supposed to be synchronising, it’s supposed to be balancing it. Everybody’s supposed to be dancing in harmonious rhythms with each other. And when they’re not. Something is blocking the system from being able to do its natural, expressive job of holding it all together. These disease, quote, diseases, the liver disease you’ve got didn’t arrive from Venus and land on your body and invade. It came from inside you, right? And became from some balance inside you. And why would that balance unbalanced itself? what’s the what’s the cause, all roads lead back to the Master System that’s supposed to be telling it What to do? If so, for instance, let’s just say that I’m running a fight or flight response for 30 years, I see this all the time patients come in, they’ve got all these symptoms, it looks like a nightmare. I know that most of those symptoms are the balls juggling. They’re all compensations. For this one problem that began at all. If I could solve this problem, all of those compensation would disappear. The body goes, Oh, I don’t need those anymore, bang, they’ll go back to normal. All those symptoms disappear. So there’s this screen of symptoms that aren’t real. I mean, they’re real, you feel them, they’re actual. But from the standpoint of cause and effect, they’re not the cause. They’re the result of somebody getting weak and this guy get recruited, and these guys got recruited. And each one has a symptom. So when you come into me with a dozen symptoms, I can suspect that 11 of them are probably ersatz. And they’ll go away quickly if I could nail the problem. Right? And then I’m thinking, how am I going to disentangle this unmanageable mess? And the answer is, you don’t have to. Nobody’s smart enough to do that. Up here. The only place that’s smart enough is the quantum computer under the hood, big mind. The part of me that knows how to grow my body out of two cells and differentiate the tissues and make them all work on automatic without me knowing what the hell’s going on. My true biological identity, the life force, the internal physician programme. That’s me, that’s my real meaning. That’s my true cosmic identity, biological and up here, my personality who I think I am, is not me. It is it’s me like my finger is me is me, like my hand is me. It’s a tool, that big mind grew in order to do something, to have a conversation with you to get a job to fill out a tax form or to go to DMV, I don’t know you know, all that stuff, the stuff that I have to do to go shopping and make food and I use it I muscle this up all the time because you use all the time then I think it’s me. Yet, if I have a true transformational experience, a spiritual revelation or I meditate and meditate until something wakes up, or I you know, I take LSD or I take mushrooms or something and I have this like, God realisation experience, what happens in those experiences we all know what that looks like. We know what that looks like an eg it what happens is my ordinary personality who identify myself as being dissolved it vaporise vaporised and I come in contact with something deep inside something powerful, and ancient, and filled with wisdom and knowledge. A part of me that knows I belong here knows that I’m grown out of the universe out of the earth. I’m not a visitor. I belong, like a leaf, like a cloud, like a star. There’s some level of, of grok of you know that word? Just I, I get it. There’s something that’s so deep before a thought in the present moment before time that gets it and experiences it directly that I’m connected to everything intimately and all answers are laid bare that it’s a marvel that there could ever be that it could be anything could be a mystery because everything is so obviously laid out in front of us under under our noses if we would just look the sacred geometry trees in the math of nature. follow exactly music theory, the law of octaves and harmonics and overtones. the periodic table, the structure of atoms follow the harmonic series, we use the music, they even predicted a couple of atoms structure just by carrying the harmonic math forward. And incredible even in high school, you know, 50 years ago, we already know that my body is made of cells and my cells are made of compounds and compounds are made of atoms and atoms are made of protons, electrons and neutrons. And those you split them apart. They’re made of quarks and charms and head runs and leptons. And you keep going and keep going. Pretty soon you crack the smallest piece open, and there’s nothing inside there. Except energy pattern relationships in a state of vibration forming standing waves in a substance that can’t be measured. And Vedas, 4000 year old texts from India talk about the same thing. It’s like it’s consciousness at the root of the quantum field that is coalescing energy into standing waves. And when you back up from them, the standing waves nest together in harmonic sequences where they fold up together really nicely and fit together really nicely. That’s what a chord is a music until you’re backed up far enough away that all of those standing waves nest together look like a person looks like a tree, like you looks like me. But it’s all vibration. And it’s mostly space. It’s not solid at all. It’s an illusion. So, energy work. electromagnetic fields can affect this light can affect it sound waves can affect it through sympathetic resonance. The law of coupled oscillators is the physics law behind sympathetic resonance. And we can use that to find the frequency for your fifth lumbar disc or your liver. Or your okay. Yeah, so

Guy 42:10
it’s it’s.

Jeffery 42:12
So if we teleport you back to your the guy who just laid down on the table, and I’ve hooked you up to my HRV. And within three minutes, that the sympathetic should collapse down to zero. That’s normal. And it’s not, it’s not doing that. And so now my motivation is, I know there’s a sound frequency that will make it happen, that will make this push in the clutch. I don’t know what sound sound pregnancy is going to work. So I’ve created a sound sweep programme that sweeps every sound. through your body, I’ve got a sound table, and you’re laying on the sound tape with big speakers, and the sound is coming through your cells. And the sound is sweeping from 50 hertz to 200 hertz. So it’s going on oh, you know, like that. And I’m watching the HRV screen, or I’m seeing the sympathetic is stuck on. And as the sound is moving, and changing, tuning, and changing tuning is getting into the zone that works for you. Like the frequency that makes a wineglass vibrate, except the wineglasses in your brain. So as it gets closer and closer to that frequency, we can see your nervous system is starting to respond, it’s starting to do this thing is starting to come down as frequencies move forward is coming down and down closer until it finally hits the spot. And now I’ve captured a frequency that makes this happen. A frequency that resets your autonomic nervous system with the sound waves is accurate to a couple of decimal points. So it may be you know, 124.0 to five hertz, which is a sharp plus 23 on a digital keyboard, because I can turn between C and C sharp on this keyboard by 100 steps with a digital readout and old it’s a sharp plus 23 means is the note a sharp plus 23 divisions out of 100 sharp towards the next note. That’s just a notation with writing something down in your record so you can reference it again. Every and now we’re into the law of physics that govern sound. So when I take the wineglass, I ping that wineglass and I listen to that note, and I sing that note, the wineglass will vibrate, sympathetic resonance with its own fundamental resonant frequency. So there’s a class that the wineglass and that particular shape, density and mass has a certain frequency, I can tell what it is by pinging it. By the way, if I couldn’t ping it, then I could sweep my voice. Oh, and watch it vibrate. That’s what I’m doing except I’m a scientist. So I hook it up to a sensor and watch a computer screen when it hits its maximum vibration frequency, and then that would tell me what frequency to use. So essentially what I’m doing is your autonomic nervous system. But so now I’ve got this frequency. And just like the wineglass if I paint the wineglass and sing that note, any octave of that note will make the wineglass also vibrate. That’s called octave resonance. And an octave is one half the frequency or double, right, so middlee on a piano is 440 440 hertz. But a one octave lower, that key is still a bit, it’s 220 hertz, an octave lower, and that is 110 55, or 4880. That’s an octave. And theoretically to infinity in both directions, so also, any harmonic will make the wineglass five, any harmonic that would be in a chord, because those are intimately related to each other mathematically. So with the artists I’m using now, in your body is different. So now I’ve got you on the sound table. And we have a second system that we have to think about. We’re talking about hearing here, eardrum and the cochlea, and all that stuff in the temporal lobes of the brain for a hearing processing. But there’s the second system, and that’s the largest organ, largest sensory organ in your body, which is your skin. But 70 pounds of you is your skin. And it’s filled with billions and billions, hundreds of billions of sensors of all kinds, pain and pressure. So the vibration sense, is in the skin. And it’s four different skin sensors that have fancy schmancy names, and each one of those is sensitive to a different bandwidth of frequencies. And when you add them all up, all for the total frequency bandwidth that they’re all sensitive to is 0.3 to 500 hertz. That’s what your body considers to be vibration sense. Anything with them, you know, 0.3 to 500 hertz, that’s what you feel. So even if you’re deaf, right, you can feel up to 500 hertz of the music or whatever. So Beethoven, you know, when def was famous composers of all time, go, what a concept. Your greatest composer on earth and you go deaf, I mean, Good God, you know, and he composed three symphonies after he was deaf, and he heard those symphonies by putting his head on the grand piano and listening through bone conduction with his vibration sensor network. Those four skin sensors, the wires, the nerves from those foreskin sensors go into your spinal cord at the back part of the spinal cord, the posterior part of the spinal cord, and up into the brainstem, where there’s special neurons that process vibration sense crossover up into the cortex. So the sound table that I had to make is activating the vibration sense network. And nobody out there was making a sound table that had enough power, or was configured correctly to do the job I was trying to do, because I’ve got headphones on. And I’ve got this second thing, this brain entrainment thing which I haven’t really fleshed out yet, that requires headphones, because there’s different signals in either side. And the different sound frequencies tuning on either side forces, the hemispheres of the brain to synchronise across the corpus callosum in a process called binaural beats, so most people have kind of heard of binaural beats, but really what’s happening is the original research done by that was later carried on by the Navy with light pulses, proving that eg that your brainwaves would block on to a light pulse pulsing in a brainwave speed. There was an article in the D in the tober issue of Scientific American in 1973 by a guy named Gerald Auster who did the first experiments with scientific instruments to hook up eg and exposure to a sound pulsing brain speed and prove that entrainment worked and that the frequency following response work too. If you change speed. Then it was like like by pounding a drum then it was like I wonder if the brain would entrain to a phantom pulse. That wasn’t an actual pulse like a, like pounding a drum. And to make a phantom pulse, he did this binary beat thing. And he use sine waves, which are manmade tones with no harmonics are generated by electronic oscillator. So, now we’ve got two speakers, one speakers got 100 hertz, and one’s got 105, slightly out of tune. They’re not harmonious, harmonious relationship, but they’re slightly out of tune. And, um, you know, sound is a pure energy wave moving through a medium sound is the only thing in the whole universe is not on the electromagnetic spectrum, by the way, right. In high school, he learned the electromagnetic magnetic spectrum where you’ve got television, radio and X ray and microwaves and colour frequencies, and then cosmic rays and all the rest vibrational frequencies all based on photons, the electromagnetic effect. But that’s not everything. There’s only one thing that’s different that sound waves, not electromagnetic is pure energy moving through a medium for the speakers is air molecules bumping into each other, a sound wave pressure wave is pushing air molecules. And this is 100 air molecules per second in a column of compression, sound wave, meeting 105. So they’re slightly out of tune, and they’re bumping into each other five times a second, because they’re slightly out of phase. And you hear that as a wall wall. And that wall wall that you’re hearing is not coming out of either speaker is is coming by collision of air molecules Is this Mr. Wizard trick that happens? If I shut one of these two speakers up, the wall wide disappears, I just hear one tone. But if I bring the other speaker back up, I’ll start to hear this wall. Why appearing as a interference between the two. So so that’s what he wants to know, this, this sort of fake pulse? Also, if a set of brainwaves speed, your brainwaves will time to that. So the answer was, yes, whatever, wherever this pulse arises from, if it’s at a brain speed, the brain waves will try to time themselves to it. So then the significant thing that happened out of this research is what happens with headphones. What happens if you don’t have speakers, but you’ve got two headphones, and we’ve got 100 hertz here, and 105 here, and you hear this five cycle, a second pulse right here in the middle of your head, because that’s how the brain processes 3d. If the sound is hitting both ears exactly at the same time, the sound must be somewhere in the midline. So the brain will place that while while you’re hearing right here, and then your brainwaves will then train to it. And so that’s confirmed now that we don’t even have air molecules anymore. Where the heck is the sound coming from? Where does this pulse coming from? I’m hearing if there’s no air molecules colliding together, what’s what’s happening? What, Where’s it coming from? And the answer is a true quirk of neuro function of brain function. And it’s, there’s a series of things that go on with that, but one is survival. The body is always trying to obey rule number one survive at all costs. So all information coming in from my senses, is always being evaluated, in terms of is this a threat to me, that’s why I’ve got five senses stuck into the world to see if I’m being threatened. That’s why they’re there. When all of my survival needs are met, and I feel safe, and the clutch pushes in at the autonomic level, zero stress in the system, that means this is my safe place. I feel safe now. Soon as I feel safe, civilization can flower appreciation of art and beauty and music flow from that. But I remember one time I took a trip out to the Big Island of Hawaii and I drove 10 miles out a dirt road to the end of the mountain to a Hawaiian wilderness song. Holly Halina pally, it’s not there anymore, volcanoes went off and eradicated. And you could stand on the edge of this mountain and look down and watch the flow of the land out to these sea and I started a hiking out there. I hiked for hours and hours and I found a beautiful spot through the woods where there was a big field so I went through the little woody patch, got to that field and spent the day there. And It was a vision of perfection and beauty. I mean, it was ecstatic, beautiful. And then when I go to go home, I cross over those woods to get to the other side, I get lost. And the beauty of nature I was experiencing was instantaneously eradicated. The instant I felt my life was in danger, all that’s over, is all gone. Panic replaced, freaking out running around, eventually falling down tripping over things until you’re exhausted, and then it’s just you. And what most likely will be your death. Because you’re in a wilderness zone, it’ll take months if ever to find your body. And so as you and God, you start praying, whether you’re religious or not, you know, if this is my time, then make it quick. But, but then I started walking again, and I swear, 15 feet, I’m out. And there I am, I’m standing in the field. But I don’t know which field I’m in. I’m turned around, I don’t know if this is the field I came from or not, I don’t know where I am. I look up the hill and up on the top up there. I see my mother and my father and my sister who dropped me off that morning. My mom’s got her red parka, my dad’s got his yellow one. And my sister’s there, they’re waving at me. And because I can see where they are, I can see just the beginning of where the path is. So I’ve got my orientation back. And I find my way back and I get up to the top. And, of course, there’s no one there. And they were never there. Yeah, I had my first mystical experiences. But what I learned from that lesson was, my mind is now open to mystical experiences. And I realised that whatever I think is all about, I’m probably wrong. But at least now I’ve got an open mind. And I’m not going to poopoo anything anymore, because I had direct experiences myself, that wasn’t the only one but but the other thing I learned that was really important is that pursuit of higher levels of consciousness and pursuit of beauty and pursuit of music and art. And the flowering of the best things that civilization can bring is only possible when my survival needs are met. And I’m in this place. If my survival needs are not met, and I’m running something else, a fight or flight response in particular, then depression comes quickly. Because there’s no more beauty anywhere. I can’t, I can never reach the place where I can, you know, received soloists from Beauty or music or I can never quite get there. I can pretend. It’s ersatz. It’s not real. But so when I see all these patients after all these years, with all these symptoms, and every single one of them has the same underlying condition, runaway fight or flight response, which basically separates people into two massive groups. Group A, has the genetic makeup that they can run their adrenal glands and run a fight or flight response for 30 years and not be dead, is a testament to the profound resilience of the body, that it could do that and not rebuild any tissues and not and just run aground for 30 years, and have a dozen symptoms that are major symptoms, but they’re not pathological and even. And the other group that can’t do that, who can’t run their adrenals for 30 years, non stop. Their adrenal function collapses. And so those people when when they lay down, there’s there’s no sympathetic on its parasympathetic this on. And normally parasympathetic is the relaxation response. So when I see somebody laying there with the parasympathetic thing going on the other night, good and relaxation, you couldn’t relax. This is good, but no, not here. This is the absence of a stress handling of system. Your back is against the wall. You’ve got no armour, you’ve got no sword, you’ve got no ability to survive. Anything that comes along beard demise, the system is freaking out. You’ve got no bank account, no IRA, you’ve got nothing. And that’s PTSD, clinical depression. anxiety attacks. That’s that set of symptoms. But then other ones are any kind of thing you can imagine. You know, so to speak. So let me just say one more thing. So when the fight or flight is running all the time, one of the things that’s and the digestion is, you know, impaired, elimination is impairment, the immune system is impaired. Now, it all depends on what your genetic weaknesses are. So if my genetic weaknesses, my gut, then that’s who’s gonna fall first, that’s where the symptoms are going to attack first. If it’s my immune system, then that’s what’s going to attack for us. And so if the immune system has been offline for 20 years, it started to forget what was supposed to be doing what was my job, again, I’m kind of kind of forgetting here, what was my job, and pretty soon it starts attacking me. autoimmune diseases start to arise, is faltering, it’s not understanding what’s happening, and who is going to attack in my body. Again, it’s going to be my genetic weakness, whoever’s the weakest fenceline. In my genetics, that’s going to fall first, that’s who’s going to get attacked. So this person is the virus, so I get my thyroid attacked by immune system. That’s the medical name for that is hashimotos thyroiditis, big, fancy, schmancy word that has a billing code. But this person over here is their gut. So they’ve got Crohn’s disease, autoimmune, attacking their gut. And there’s a whole protocol for these two different conditions. And excuse me, they’re not to different conditions at all. The problem is not your thyroid and the problems now you’ve got the problem is the immune system is attacking you inappropriately. That’s the problem. And excuse me, that’s not the problem, either. The immune system is only offline because the sympathetic nervous system is running all the time, you’re walking into a fight or flight response, and he has been pulled, his energy has been pulled and is not engaged. So once again, all roads are leading back to the autonomic nervous system. So that’s kind of my practice. In a nutshell. That’s what I do. People come in, I mean, with gnarly Spanish and you’ve ever seen and the neurological conditions, now flesh out a clinical use of bilateral beats, because bilateral beats right now in the industry, are geared towards relaxation and meditation. So they’re their general kind of relaxation, perhaps to a certain brain state alpha, theta delta. And that’s where I began. I did two years of clinical work with a neuro feedback practitioner who was a previous student of mine at this college I taught at that gave me two years of access to the most sophisticated EKG machines of the time q eg brain mapping computers, where you can see the topical graphical map of where things are located. And we were doing major medical conditions, epilepsy, and autism and ADHD, and ADHD, and alcoholism and depression. So I could see the pattern of non communication of pathways. And I began doing serious clinical work with binaural beats. Because with this, instead of trying to make a plane fly on a computer screen with your brainwaves where they’ve set the plane can only fly with the kind of brainwaves you can’t do. Right? I’m an ADHD kid. My brainwaves are stuck in theta Daydream zone. And I’m given tasks that require beta function out external focus attention. I can’t do it because my brain won’t leave theta won’t go up there. It won’t speed up into beta, where I get external focus, I won’t do it. And so the eg is showing that and now they make this you know, Brain Gain ram hooked up to the eg, and I’m going to make this plane fly with my brainwaves, but the plane is set to only fly with beta. Excuse me, that’s what I can’t do. That’s exactly what I can’t do. And nobody can tell me what to do. So this is 15 sessions of unbelievable frustration, mostly with kids who don’t want to be there at 350 bucks each. And I’m thinking maybe I could help us with entrainment, maybe what we could do is use the frequency following response. Let’s see this kit on the eg with Brain circuit five hertz theta. And I’m going to start my binary beats at five hertz. So now we have instantaneous brainwave entrainment, because I’m in training you to what you’re already doing. And then all I have to do is untuned these a little bit and speed it up, speed up the pulse. So now the pulse is going to go to 5.1. And I’m going to watch your brainwaves on the eg, go to 5.1, because that’s the frequency following response. So once I like your one, if I speed it up or slow down your brainwaves follow, right. So I’m going to make it 5.1. And watch your brain follow 5.2, what’s your brain follow 5.3 What’s your brain follow 5.4 or 5.5, and then your brain starts to disengage, you can only stretch that far. But we just got you from 5.0 to 5.5 in one session. And now we’re going to set the plane to fly at 5.5. Something you can achieve. You have stretch, but it’s achievable. And like I said before, nobody can tell you what to do. I just told you what to do. You just got what to do on the inside, not through here. But through an experience of what it feels like to move from 5.1 to 5.2 to three to four to five, you just felt that inside your brain, your brain just felt that. So I just communicated straight through the the linear thinking mind that doesn’t have a clue into the deep mind that’s controlling the system, and show them what it feels like to do that. And so these kids now look at the plane, and they do what they felt happen. And it flies. And as soon as that happens, there’s not a kid that went on their programme, who wasn’t jumping up and down and excited and whooping and hollering and can hardly wait to come back for the next appointment. Right. And the next point, we started 5.5 and 5.6 and 5.7 until they disengage. And now we’ve set the plan to fly at the highest we could bring you. And now we could achieve what took 15 to 20 sessions in five sessions. With no strain and no pain and the kid excited. It’s

Guy 1:07:21
amazing,

Jeffery 1:07:22
is totally different. It’s a it’s working with how the system works. It’s working working with how your body works. And so you know, God does the healing and the doctor collects the bill, right? So it means that if you were somebody who came to me as a patient with all these symptoms, and you’re in a state of fear and depression because nobody says to have an answer. You’ve been to a whole bunch of people, fancy schmancy guys with a lot of diplomas on their walls and white lab coats and big hospitals. You know, they’re great. Well, let’s try this. Go ahead and work. Let’s try this one. And you go Whoa, whoa, wait a second, I thought you knew what you were doing. I mean, it seems to me like you’re like throwing spaghetti at the wall that if this doesn’t work, let’s try that one. What kind of a statement is that? That’s not that’s not what I’m looking for. I’m looking for somebody who’s got a handle on how my body works and can maybe do a Sherlock Holmes thing and figure out what’s going on, you know. But so you come to me, and I’m going to hook you up and see what’s what. And you now have when you see that screen, replay what happened. And I can show you that we were able to make this happen now and I can show you during a session that this was holding and doing well. We just broke a vicious cycle that’s been going on for years. As soon as this takes place, something big has just happened. And you have a new contact with a part of yourself that you didn’t before. Because what’s going on under the hood. I mean, I remember when I was going to school, I’m sitting in class, I’m learning anatomy and physiology and the wiring diagram of the brain, all this unbelievable complex stuff. And it hit me all of a sudden, wait a second, why am I Why do I have to spend all these years and all this heartache and all this money to learn what I myself grew in the first place. I grew this. I’m making it function. And I don’t have a clue. Why is that? How is it possible that I could grow this whole thing and make it all work and not have a clue because the body doesn’t make mistakes to buy I separated this out on purpose. The monkey mind should not be playing around with the big machine. So it’s disconnected. Yeah,

Guy 1:10:07
of course. Jeffrey, I gotta jump in mate, I got a hard stop in a moment. With everything. With the time in the I feel like I could have 10 podcasts with you, man. Like, it’s it’s unbelievable. What you’re what you’re sharing and, and I really feel we’ve we’ve captured the essence of, of the essence of your work today which which, which excites me, you know. And the ones that one thing I want to ask just before we wrap it up, mate is if people want to find out more, if they want to have an experience. Can this be done remotely? Can you can you work with people? do you have? How? Where can people go for the next?

Jeffery 1:10:52
Well, the the shortfall of what I’m doing is I have to hook you up. Right have to hook for this monitor. And so far, doing that long distance is not possible, I’d have to send you some kind of interface that you could hook yourself up with your computer through the internet. That seemed to be an easy idea. But the Internet has lag. And I’m doing a sound sweep and a single cent Jagger Yeah. So that’s not going to work. So it means that I have to, perhaps do it through an app. And that’s what we’re developing now. An app with the interface that would plug into your phone and hook you up and the phone would do the Rick, this sweep and the recording locally and not to the internet and then send that to the internet to us. And then we’d be good to go. But as it is now, that’s not you know, we don’t have that yet. So either have to come to me or we can start at we started out with generic soundtracks that I have on my website, which I’ve got 90 soundtracks, in all kinds of categories. And that’s a good place to begin. Is that way, perfect?

Guy 1:12:13
Perfect. Well ensure everyone has,

Jeffery 1:12:16
it could be any place instantly. So I could just walk into your living room, right.

Guy 1:12:21
Yeah, exactly. Well, it’s like it’s been a fascinating conversation. So Jeffrey, I really appreciate your wisdom and everything you’ve shared on the show, and I have no doubt, people will listen to that several times and get something different out of it. I’m sure your website is linked in the show notes below as well if people want to jump across and, and I’m checking

Jeffery 1:12:43
also have my I have my I do a live stream every Sunday. So chock full of information. And I give a free soundtrack away every week to listen to amazing

Guy 1:12:56
all on YouTube, right?

Jeffery 1:12:58
That’s on YouTube. So if you go to YouTube and type in Dr. Jeffrey Thompson, you’ll you’ll find me

Guy 1:13:07
a link to that as well. A link to a YouTube channel as well. I’ve been checking it out. Good. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Amazing. Thanks for your show. All of us out there doing our part. Right. 100 100%. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jeffrey. Thank you.