Please note, this is an automated transcript so it is not 100% accurate.

Guy (00:00:00):
Hi, Guy Lawrence here. Welcome to my podcast. My beautiful guest today is Dr. Kim D’Eramo. I hope I said your surname correctly, Kim. And what a beautiful woman. Um, she was, lemme get this right, a board certified emergency medicine physician, also an osteopath. But today we dive into her, her journey and her own spiritual awakening. What she did with that then, from working in the medical industry to then transitioning out to what she does today, I truly feel that there is something in this conversation for everyone, no matter what part of our journey we are on. It is beautiful. If you enjoy the conversation, please let me know in the comments below, hit the, like, hit the subscribe, anything to help me continue to get these conversations out there as I feel they’re deeply important to me. Also, if you wanna learn about the work that we do here in Australia and in Europe with live and flow, we host six night re six day retreats, uh, where we come together. We also host one day workshops and in prior to all of that, we also have free seven days of meditation. And no matter where you’re on the journey to come and join us, if you, any that interests you and you wanna check up more of our work, just click the links below, whether you’re watching this on YouTube, Spotify, iTunes, whatever. Let’s go over the Kim, this is a fabulous episode. Enjoy.

Guy (00:01:29):
Kim, welcome to the podcast.

Kim (00:01:32):
Thank you. Thank you so much for having you. I’m so glad I got to meet you.

Guy (00:01:35):
Likewise, likewise. I truly, literally stumbled across you a few weeks ago and reached out and very grateful you’re coming on today. I’m fascinated, and I tell you what hooked me in instantly wanting to, to talk to you because when I went to your website, it said expand your consciousness and heal. And also you’re a board certified emergency medical physician and you don’t see those two together very often. And I was wondering if you wouldn’t mind expanding on that a little bit about what you mean by expand your consciousness and heal.

Kim (00:02:12):
What I’ve, um, learned through my own personal journey and coming through this life being really empathic, energy sensitive is that our, uh, thoughts have a direct effect on not only our, uh, body and ourselves, our emotions, but on our experience, you know, our reality. And, um, having had, you know, like we were touching on my own awakening experience, you kind of start to see that and live that and it, and life starts to teach you and show you the true reality. So, you know, we think we’re this physical thing and we’re taught that we’re separate. And that, um, you know, especially in medicine, if you have a physical issue, you need a physical remedy. But it’s not true. It’s not the true nature of reality or the true nature of our body. And so I was inspired at a really young age to bring this awareness to the space of medicine so that people could begin to approach disease from this deeper perspective of how we truly impact the cellular and the physical and the genetics and, uh, allow resolution of disease. So, you know, I’ve had a lot with my own journey with like an autoimmune disease and you know, how the body heals like learning firsthand to apply this and then developed the work that I’m doing now.

Guy (00:03:37):
Yeah. Amazing. And before I, cuz I really wanna jump into your, your own personal journey in a moment, but do you feel that the medical industry as a whole are embracing this and looking at this now? Or, uh, do you feel, is it people like yourself that are sort of coming forward?

Kim (00:03:55):
Individuals? Yes, and I think there are many doctors awakening, even if they’re in the early stages of awakening, where they just realize I’m exhausted. This is not sustainable. Or in the latter stages where they’re beginning to realize, whoa, maybe there’s a different way to do this. So on an individual level, unquestioningly, there’s like a mass ex exodus from the institution, but on an institutional level that isn’t possible, we’ll actually have to which we are create new systems, systems that can contain this level of awareness and this consciousness because those systems will be based in a different foundation. The existing systems are based mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, in a, it’s not a life giving structure, it’s more of a, you know, it grows the corporation, but it’s not actually about healing. And so the answer is can’t come from the institutional level.

Guy (00:04:50):
Yeah. You

Kim (00:04:51):
Won’t be supported by that institutional level. And so I, I wanna add, since having been a board certified emergency doctor doing this work, I had to leave the institution. I had to leave the system. And so I have not continued as an emergency medicine doctor. And in the last, uh, I guess eight years now, I haven’t done any emergency medicine. Um, and I think it’s the last five years I let go of my, you know, certification and I’m not functioning in that system because I knew it wouldn’t support what I’m here to do.

Guy (00:05:19):
Yeah. Incredible. It’s almost, uh, I I, I always ponder on this question, Kim, because we, we actually hold space for people. Uh, we just run a retreat recently that was six days, five nights, and, and we go deep with the work and, and allow people to move through whatever they need to move through, but also they start to have experiences and awakenings from that. And it’s extremely powerful and, and I ponder about it, wow, if more people were ready to look at this and actually have those experiences, what that would do to shift and allow us to then start to create new systems from that,

Kim (00:05:54):
You’re in perfect timing because more and more people are, every moment of the day, there’s huge exponential increase in the people who are ready to open to a new way of doing things and ready to learn and see life from a new vantage point.

Guy (00:06:10):
Were you always, uh, an empath even before your awakening? Because I, I believe yes, kind of happened at 16 and there’s a few questions Ra I’m trying to contain myself here because the other thing I’ll, I’ll say in advance is that I’m fascinated that you stepped into the system after you had your experiences. And I, and I’m intrigued to know what that was like for you as well. I

Kim (00:06:33):
Was really clear during that awakening experience, that was my path. That was exactly okay, what I would be shown, what I would be brought through, I’d be assisted because it was like, how am I gonna do this? And then I would be, um, yeah, assisted. And I felt that even though part of me was just in my residency and, you know, going on my path, um, maybe didn’t necessarily remember why, you know, what the path was. Um, I always knew somewhere deep inside I was being guided and I was being shown and I knew along the way. I remember in residency having times when I thought I’m not having the same experience that other person’s having where they’re on medications for depression and anxiety and they’re having like really, um, challenging challenges that it was like this, that the doors were opening for me that for others they had to bang their head up against a wall for three years.

Kim (00:07:24):
And I realized I’m, you know, in the er they have a term, you’re that you’re a white cloud or you’re a dark cloud, like, oh, so-and-so is on tonight. It’s gonna be a tough night. That person’s a dark cloud. Or you know, if I’d come on, they’d be like, oh, it’s gonna be an awesome shift. And so things will go smoothly or certain things are taken care of and it’s a different vibrational frequency. Most people don’t understand that our consciousness affects our experience, so they just, they don’t know why it happens. But you’ll find in the er there’s a lot of intuitive people in the ER that they’ll say that, oh, it’s a white cloud, it’s a, or you’re a dark cloud and it really is that you are, um, supported. And I think we’re all supported on our journey. So we’re gonna be given, like, I got the residency exactly where I needed to be. I applied to one residency, I got accepted in, thankfully in that residency. Um, but it wasn’t where other people where they applied to 23 residencies flew over the country and interviewed methodically, figured it out. You know, there was divine clarity and divine guidance. Um, but I knew that I would do it from that space as being a part of that system, but bringing a new dimension and a new path.

Guy (00:08:33):
Yeah. Got it. Yeah, interestingly, we, we’ve had a lot of nurses come to our retreats, interestingly enough, and they’ve very em, uh, empathetic. Yeah. And they’re also, um, yeah, very in tune. But there’s also, they’re holding so much and, and once they start to have those shifts even greater, it’s, it’s quite phenomenal.

Kim (00:08:54):
It’s all to happen mm-hmm. <affirmative>, there are so many more people in the system that are ready to be a part of a, a new system. Yeah. And, and you know, the part of a was I empathic before? Such a great question because I, a lot of years of my life I focused around that awakening experience being like the be all end all. And since it was also around, like, I used marijuana with my boyfriend and it really expanded my mind in a kind of like an ayahuasca journey that people explained about. Wow. But it wasn’t, you know, there was no shaman. I didn’t understand what a spiritual experience was and I thought I was being punished cuz I shouldn’t be using drugs. Um, and it wasn’t until years later, and my mom was really the one who helped me see this, like, you were always empathic, you were always tuned in, you were always able to see things and understand things and know things that people didn’t know. And it sort of like got me off the hook of like making that one thing like wrong cuz it, I realized like, oh, I was already built this way. I, I was already created this way and this just accelerated that dramatically.

Guy (00:10:00):
Wow. So was that your awakening and how old were you at the time? And could you share with what happened?

Kim (00:10:05):
So I was 16. I, I was 16. I was with my boyfriend, who is also kind of a spiritual guy, thankfully, because I remember telling him I saw God, I had no words to describe the massive, like, downloads of intelligence and insights. And not only that I understood things, but I experienced, like someone lifted the veil of that like, buffer between intention and creation. It was instantaneous manifestation, which for someone not practiced, you’re just like fumbling around the room. It was a catastrophe. It was the scariest, most intense experience I’d had. And it was also experiencing the duality of the back and forth of like, unthinkable bliss clarity, um, communicating with angels, seeing the, the, the higher, um, mastering beings. And then this deep, deep profound terror of, of hell and dread and unthinkable demonic heaviness. And it was this back and forth of very quickly of integrating all of that.

Kim (00:11:11):
Um, it took me years to actually integrate this experience and get, you know, you say get your head around it or just, uh, fully let all of it in because it was so destabilizing to everything I thought was true. You know, I’m physical and I’m a human being and that’s all there is to it. Uh, but it definitely unlocked the into more, more of what I already had as intuitive capacity. So I could hear people, I could hear their thoughts. I mean, you could imagine that’s kind of a disturbing thing when you don’t have a context for it. Um, I could feel people very, very strongly, which also had already been there for me. Um, and I also could hear that divine intelligence and the distinction between the, the the, the divinity and clarity versus like ordinary thought or hu human thinking.

Guy (00:12:09):
How long did that experience go on for then? Did you black out or something and like it was hours or minutes or

Kim (00:12:15):
It, it went on for hours and the blacking out seizure part of it was I’m sure just minutes. Uh, and you know, here it was at the movies with my boyfriend. So the ambulance came.

Kim (00:12:33):
Um, when people ask, you know, we, we talk about it like a near deathlike experience. Did I die? Did I cross over? I wouldn’t have known anything. But I do know the downloads that came in. It was a timelessness. I mean, I was not in ordinary time. Uh, I was not in this level of consciousness, but I could see that what we perceive as physical was really just an expression of the metaphysical of the consciousness that we hold. And that when we work our way into a higher consciousness, everything that gets created is, is smoother, is life giving, is collaborative and cooperative and is a contribution. And I could see who I’m here to be and how I’m here to contribute to that. I could see that we all have, um, pure love at our essence, but we have lost that. We’re not as connected with that.

Kim (00:13:28):
So we’re like playing out this program of who we think we’re supposed to be and what we think we’re supposed to do. I could see that people were on a program, I could hear them thinking, but they couldn’t hear it. And I’m like, why are they lying to me? But they didn’t know. They really couldn’t hear. So that was perplexing. Um, so it was ours, but it was very dramatic where I was battling, right? Because I, here are these demonic energies, and I didn’t understand this at the time, but our energy field lets energy in. And so to let in these lower frequency energies is, is profoundly disturbing. And I didn’t know how to come into alignment of peace so that I was, you know, that wasn’t getting in. I didn’t know any, I was raised Catholic. I had no spiritual context for anything. And so I was battling and screaming and writhing.

Kim (00:14:21):
And so they just kept giving me more drugs to sedate me. But the sedation was actually weakening my oric field and letting in more demonic energy. So I battled harder and I battled harder and I was freaking fierce. Nothing was gonna stop me. And so they kept sedating me and they, somebody told me the next day, like, we use multiple times over of drugs we’ve ever used on any kid. Wow. To sedate that kid. And I thought, well, fuck <laugh>. Yeah. But I, I mean they wouldn’t have known how to guide me through that. I did feel angelic beings there. The nurses, there were some nurses that were praying for me and holding a space of such profound compassion would never have the words of gratitude for how much that stabilized my field. It was protective, it was uplifting. It was, it was so, um, powerful.

Kim (00:15:14):
And then I could also hear the voices of judgment from some of the other people there who, like this kid’s on drugs. What the hell is she thinking? I could hear all of it. There was a lot of judgment, a lot of judgment. And for me there’s just a lot of fear. So having the, the angelic frequencies was like unthinkable. And I felt you’re going to make it through this. And I also felt the awareness that, um, this was, I, I didn’t know it at the time, but it was an initiation. What I felt at the time was, there’s a purpose. There’s something happening in strengthening who you are here to be and assisting that so that you can be who you’re here to be for the planet.

Guy (00:16:02):
Wow. As a 16 year old to see there as an initiation and take that on board as quite remarkable. I, I remember doing my first ayahuasca journey many years ago and that was, I guess my first experience into expanding into something far greater than we perceived through our senses. And even then as an adult, that took me, I think years to process to really start to integrate and work with it and, and really feel like a fish out of water in my life because of people are not there. They’re not there on their journey with, with whatever, whatever’s going on. So I, I can really relate to everything you said. So my question is then as a 16 year old, what do you do with that? Did, how do you then move on or you don’t?

Kim (00:16:52):
Okay. Um, I was aware that I, there really were two pathways. One was not gonna be my path, but you know, in other cultures the greatest healers and shamans have come through a path of, uh, like a mental illness or a mental dissolution. The, the, their, they’re completely dissolved. Everything they thought was true and they have to reintegrate in a higher truth. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I, I didn’t know this till years later and it really validated me. Cause I thought like, oh, I have this shameful past of having had like this psychosis and mental illness, like everything was falling apart. And I did have the awareness that that would be a path. Like it could be so destructive that I I, because I could never put that reality back together. And if I tried to, it was gonna be that mental, you are just crazy person for the rest of your life and you’ve never stabilize back into this reality.

Kim (00:17:49):
So that was there, but I knew I was already on a higher path and that I would be shown that I would be guided and if I would stay open, the new integration would come in, the new foundation would come in. And so that level of surrender and trust, you know, there was no choice. It was like you complete an destruction or I could feel the frequency of that. There is, um, guidance here for me. And so there’s already a surrender on a really, really profound level. Like I surrender my will to the will of God. Um, and so the guidance that came in the path that came in, I started reading everything I could about, um, spirituality. But it wasn’t even really spirituality. It was like the psychiatrist I saw cuz you know, I I, my parents really only knew the conventional medical field.

Kim (00:18:37):
So they had somebody see me and put me on medication and, um, they, this one psychiatrist gave me the book, the Road Less Traveled. And, you know, thinking of it now, it’s not this like super enlightened spiritual book, but at the space I was, this was really high frequency and I thought, oh, there’s insights here that are opening for me and clarity coming in. So I started reading more books and more books. I found, um, Joan Boris Sanko who was one of the heads of the Harvard Institute for Mind Body Medicine. And I read every book on her recommended reading list. I just delved into this mind body medicine stuff and spirituality. And that was, you know, later on like college. And I started just more and more and more finding my path. And one of the thoughts I had was, even though there’s not a single person in my reality who wouldn’t think I’m crazy if I shared anything, cause I learned really early on, suck it up, get undercover and you gotta wait until you find your people because they’re just gonna keep medicating you. So even though I didn’t have anybody, I, I would read these books and realize like, well this says bestselling book, so there’s gotta be people buying this. There’s other people in this reality. Maybe I’ll meet with them like here we are right now. Someday we’ll connect and we’ll freaking get this together and the power that we can cultivate is unlimited and what we can do together. And so I kind of held out like somehow some way I’ll find my people

Guy (00:20:07):
<laugh>. Wow. I I just had a low battery. One sec. Keep going. There we go. Thank God for warning signs. That’s incredible. So the, the question that’s screaming at me to ask you is at the moment then, cuz I had, um, gabel mater on the podcast and that prompted me to look into his work and I’ve been studying a bit of his work on compassion and he spoke about, he quoted a gentleman, I can’t remember his name, but he spoke about biology. You can’t separate the biology from the psychology and you can’t separate the psychology from the environment and you can’t separate the environment from spirituality, which I find fascinating. But in the medical industry, we’d literally just go all the way back and just keep it to the mechanical aspects and completely throw away the others. So at what point on your journey did you start to put two and two together? Because even when you were studying, um, to be a medical doctor, you spoke about, uh, an autoimmune disease and things like that and that started to happen. So I’m really fascinated about that part of your life as well.

Kim (00:21:13):
Okay, so at, at, at time zero, you know, that awakening experience, it was all revealed to me. It, it was all that I would later unpack and understand, but it was all there as far as how are consciousness creates our reality and that that’s happening and showing up physically in the body and that what we call disease is not an actual thing that has its own power and entity, but it’s our power that we’re putting into that thing and that we can really allow disease to completely resolve and not be part of our reality. Okay. When I then was in medical school and had this autoimmune disease, but I didn’t know it was an autoimmune disease, I just knew I was very sick. I couldn’t figure it was wrong. I felt like crap. I had these chills and joint pain and fatigue and it was a nightmare.

Kim (00:22:01):
And understanding mind body medicine, I tried to heal myself, tried to heal myself mind over body and it just made it worse. Everything got more complicated, more convoluted and more intensified. And so once I then got like the right person and the right diagnosis and here you go, we understand you have blah, blah, blah blah syndrome, here’s what you need to do. You’re not gonna be a runner anymore. You’re gonna have to control your environment. You’re not gonna probably be able to do medical school because I was gonna live in a different hospital every month. And he went on and on and on about the solution. And that’s when I broke free from the whole delusion, this is not my truth, this is yeah, where he lives and that’s okay. This is not true for me. And that’s when I finally dropped in to listen deeply to life, you know, to my, the wisdom that creates us and to surrender and stop running away from my symptoms or try and improve myself, overcome the problem and let go. And the message really was, um, you don’t need to fear yourself. I was afraid that I’d fail or I’m not good enough. I need to keep going and push harder. And so my life came this like ongoing self-improvement program and it was very intense. I was pushing, pushing. And that day was when I realized, oh, I can let life live through me and be what I am. And that will emerge into the greatness that I’m looking for.

Guy (00:23:49):
Wow. I heard you say the word surrender and let go in those sentences, do you, do you feel that’s the key that if we are have some misalignment within the body that we tend to push for it to be healed or fixed? And the fact that you kind of just let it all go was the defining shift?

Kim (00:24:14):
Yes. The, the ailments were a result of my contraction and my closure and where I was responding to life from the fear response. And they were actually just there to show me what that creates and what does it create when I close, what does it create when I control that’s where you’re going so that I can make a new choice. And the truth is, when we so, so to let in source energy, cuz everything I learned about my body medicine really was about what source energy can do in the body. If I opened a source, it’s, it’s got it handled, boom, boom, boom, rearrangement of the cellular and the genetics. I just didn’t know how to do that. I thought I was gonna heal myself. So the real, the truth is like though, to come into that openness, to let more of source energy come through to me, let more life force come through requires that I let go, that I be surrendered, that I be, you know, the virtues, right? Compassion for myself or for others. When we are in, you know, the judgment and the closure and oh cutthroat, I’m gonna, you know, get the highest grade or whatever that is. We’re not in the virtue, we’re in a lower frequency. So we’re literally closing ourselves off from that life force.

Guy (00:25:47):
Yeah, totally makes sense. So then when you went into becoming a medical doctor, were you armed with all this information or was it something that still progressively revealed itself? Because I’m fascinated as well. At what point were you sharing about your own journey as well? So there’s two questions there, but Yeah.

Kim (00:26:10):
<laugh>, yeah. And there’s like a hundred things. So in, in one way there was already the clarity, but it unfolded. You know, day by day our life unfolds more of it. So we keep opening more to it. When I went to medical school, I went to an osteopathic medical school. So I learned about how the mind and body are connected, how the body heals itself and how as within, so without, you know, our consciousness affects our physical, it, it isn’t true that, you know, in osteopathic medicine that necessarily gets really instilled. It’s like a separate course over here and then you have all your allopathic medicine and you’re doing your work over here. So it’s, it’s kind of gone in that direction, right? Cuz it got taken over by the institutional medical realm because they don’t want any doctors being that successful at healing in the institution.

Kim (00:27:08):
And so it was like, all right, if you’re gonna stay in this institution, you have to abide by, you know, that’s a corporate entity and if people are healing, it doesn’t feed the corporate entity. So the mainstream isn’t gonna be that, okay, so here I am. But I did have that and I think that was really the saving grace of all of it. So I learned a lot and I did an extra year of fellowship in osteopathic medicine and I worked with some master healers who could read what was going on across the room and help impact what was going on at that table across the room who could put their hands on the patient and know, not only know what was going on, but witnessed the healing happening. And who taught me to do that, which I now understand so much more about what was happening.

Kim (00:27:56):
Um, but when I came to interview at, at that medical school, I heard about these workshops and about these people doing things and I thought, I didn’t know we could do that with everything I’d learned. I didn’t know we could function that way. And I thought, this is where I wanna be. So that was there. And then during residency I was in a very, very allopathic residency, a level one trauma center, which is, that’s the hub where they send everything out. You know, some car crash in Florida would get sent to our hub in Atlanta. Uh, any, any traumas that we had a lot of gunshot wounds and stab wounds and severe traumas and this is where we were. But I had this developed gift already where I had done healing treatment and osteopathic treatment and I’d had enough of a connection with it. So I’d always find people, whether it was through my yoga class or friends in my residency who were like, I’m really interested in that.

Kim (00:28:53):
And so it was still fringy but it kept it alive in my life and there’s no question that kept me going through and successfully completing that, that time and that residency. So I’d, I’d have these like sessions I would do for free and we’d talk and I’d get a huge read on everything that was really going on and, you know, yes, I know it seems like your anxiety disorder or your knee pain or your headaches, here’s what’s really going on. And then we would do the treatment and people would have these incredible experiences. So I had that and, and some other pieces that were plugged in through those years. So that was definitely essential and, and I think it, it kept me from getting consumed in that system, which wouldn’t have happened for me cuz I knew my path mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But, um, it kept something alive in me that was really the essential component.

Guy (00:29:44):
Wow, I can’t, I can’t even really imagine what it would be like in that environment. Seeing this conveyor belt of people coming through that are product or a symptom of the systems that is already set up and just that trauma and being around it. I like, I I can’t compute. I mean were there people, were you in there questioning the bigger picture is like, is this ever gonna end? Is this ever gonna change or are we just kind of putting out fires constantly?

Kim (00:30:17):
Okay, well during residency one of the major things that was there, and I think the reason why I went into an emergency medicine residency, there was a training for me to hold the space, like the eye of the storm that you’re practicing expanded awareness, you know what’s going on in the whole er. And the great greatest er doctors I worked with had that, um, that you’re letting yourself operate, know what you know, boom, this person’s sick, boom, this person’s not sick and then figure out all the details. So there was that intensity to it that really called me into my center. There was also the component of realizing that, um, when say expanded awareness, but connecting with higher mind was still the most essential thing. Even in a true emergency. Like, well yeah, we’ll connect with a high mind, but right now we gotta save a life.

Kim (00:31:11):
Come on, get clamped down into this. No, what would allow, uh, uh, the code to run smoothly and the teen to communicate seamlessly and my mind to know the timing of like two minutes is up, let’s give another dose of epinephrine was being in that higher functioning, not clamping down into survival functioning. And so going into fear was, was not gonna save a life. So I learned a lot that served me later on. But I will tell you it was years later practicing full-time er after residency that I’m like, okay, God, w t f like this was not the plan. That’s when I felt like I was dying. Please tell me we got a plan here. Where, where am I going? I, this can’t be it for me. This is not it for me. And so that was really hard because I didn’t know, um, how do I make my life work in, in a functional way in this reality and not be a, a part of this system.

Kim (00:32:17):
And so, but I did keep getting, like I’d go out on the porch, uh, there’s a big, you know, a bay where the ambulances would come and it was like a big veranda and I would just take a breath and get out there during my shift and I would say, okay, God, show me the way. Where’s my path? Where’s my journey? What do I gotta do? And I always felt a sense of like the still and no, it’s happening for you. Be anxious for nothing. And it was so clear and so certain, okay. And then weeks more would go by and it was again and again, I was dying. Please show me the way. Do I need to go knock on doors? Do I need to rent a space? I’ll do this, I’ll do that. I’ll do whatever I have to do. No, let go.

Kim (00:32:56):
It’s coming to you. He’s still a no be anxious for nothing. And so I’d go back into that certainty, it was clear as day. And then I, um, got a phone call from a colleague that I had done the osteopathic residency with and she’s like in this bright and shiny life doing her osteopathic work. I just bought Greg Thompson’s practice, this is great and I’m so jealous and I’m so dreading, why did I do this path? Why didn’t I do that? I could be doing what she’s doing. And I thought, wait a minute, you bought Greg Thompson’s practice. Where did he go? He was a very prominent osteopath and a mentor of mine in Maine in this huge practice and he’s been a pivotal part of my life. She said, well he moved to Tennessee to start a new medical school. Well we’re not far from Tennessee.

Kim (00:33:44):
So I thought, oh my gosh, I’m gonna be a part of this. I gotta find his number. How do I get in touch with him? I haven’t talked to him in so long. And it was like two days later I got a call from Greg and he said, what do we need to do to get you here? And then I was like, oh wait a minute. It’s four hours away. Four and a half hours. Wait a minute, I’m gonna sell my house. I’m gonna leave everything. I’m gonna leave my life in the city and wait, I’m not doing this. But it was clear as day, like this is your path, this is your step. But I booked a real estate agent to look at houses before I even interviewed cuz I knew this is what I’m doing. So that was the next step. And that had a profound effect on just my nervous system cuz now I’m in inner city Atlanta, moving to the middle of nowhere Tennessee, like <laugh> an hour and a half north of Knoxville. And my friend was like, are you sure you wanna do this knoxville’s kind of like a one Starbucks town. And I’m like, now I’m, I’m clear, clear, clear. So I I really, through those few years there detoxed a lot of the trauma, drama and integrated more of the clarity. And that’s when later I moved to Boston, I started my own practice, which later came online to be, um, more of course offerings and, and group teaching and group, you know, healing and what I’m doing now.

Guy (00:35:06):
Amazing. Amazing. I’m captivated. I I’ve, you all almost answered my question, but I’ll probe a little bit more cuz that transition of being the doctor and then stepping off, I, I can’t tell you how many people come to our retreats and things because they’re in that space, right? The the, the, I mean, I was in that space and I sold my company, uh, you know why I’m gonna go and teach this work. Like, are you nuts? You know? So, and I’m always curious, what was your biggest lesson for anyone listening to the, to this now? And I guarantee there’ll be plenty people in that space right now. Yeah. What would you say to them if, if they sat down with you and said, what do I do when I go, you know,

Kim (00:35:48):
That I would say this and, and I still go through contractions and I always have to remember this same thing and it’s, life is cooking you right now. You’re in the pressure cooker. It fucking sucks. And, and if, when I remember, okay, it is actually cooking off debris and toxins and density, something’s happening here that is growing me into the being who now perceives the solution, sees the open door, walks through the open door, but I can’t try to open the door. You can’t do that. You can only choose to be in the pressure cooker. And that’s a ti you’re like, why the fuck would I be in this contraction? It’s excruciating. Oh, it’s cooking me, it’s baking off the debris. It’s, it’s preparing me. It, that is a, that is a powerful choice. And that is the only thing. That’s why each time I was like, be anxious for nothing, I would let go and I would more willingly be where I was.

Kim (00:36:54):
And that is what created the acceleration for the door to open and something new to happen. But you, you won’t understand it when you’re in the pressure cooker. When I’m in the pressure cooker, it’s like, is there even a god? Is this even real? Is anything, is there really purpose to anything? Or is life just a big, you’re getting fucked and you’re just gonna keep resisting it? And, and each time it’s deeper and deeper distillation of those fears and of the darkness and of the density. And so in my most recent pressure cooker, the ask was really big, right? It’s always bringing me into who I, my heart is truly asking my next evolution of me. And th this ask is really, really big, right? So to choose to live in Christ consciousness, to choose to live le like full surrender is a big ask.

Kim (00:37:50):
And what came with that I know is greater capacity to assist healing, right? You, you I see suffering in the world and then there’s like, there’s still some powerless here, there I wanna have a bigger impact. And so we can only do that through the true self capital s through creator. You can’t do that through the small self. And so this is like a fricking massive crucible burning off this like last remnants of small self and it might have been hanging onto and letting it distill and it was a real cooker, but there was this little shred of this is creating everything I’m asking for. And if you only have that little thread, it’s, it’s enough light to transmute to, to it accelerate. And then when you’re on the other side of it, it it is always, that’s another useful thing is look at your wins. Like wait a minute, this did happen and that did happen and things did come to fruition. And so it’ll give you a little more willingness to be in the crucible when you’re in it cuz you remember, oh, okay, even though this really feels like nothing’s happening, I know that the truth is the truth. So then you be in it and you come and emerge and there’s even more powerful life on the other side of that.

Guy (00:39:07):
How do you ask, do you have a practice? Do you just hold an intention? Do you have reminders up? How do you do it?

Kim (00:39:16):
Okay, this is a great question because for me, I was always doing this from connecting with pure source energy. I didn’t know how to, how I was doing it, but I’ve had to work that through so I could explain that to other people. And I have a process called the Instant Elevation where you, you know, you just get present in your awareness, shift your breathing, so it shifts your physiology and then you choose to be in that higher consciousness. But I recently have learned, um, theta healing is a, a modality that’s being taught and she has like a really specific way of teaching it. And everything she learned was like, oh, that’s exactly what I’ve been shown. That’s exactly what I’ve been, how I’ve done it. But different verbiage. And so I liked her methodology of how she helps people get into theta, which is a different brainwave pattern.

Kim (00:40:08):
When I learned osteopathic medicine, you know, I’d be with my hands on the patient and witnessing very subtle things and my head would like nod off. Like it was so subtle that I couldn’t maintain ordinary consciousness over time. I did in fact maintain ordinary consciousness and perceive at this deep level, which is the theta or the delta, slower brainwave patterning. And so when she brings you through, you know, you simply ground from the root of mother earth, bring it through your body, come out the top of your head and you go through all the layers and dimensions of like ordinary thinking, ordinary human collective. You go beyond the human collective into the space of pure consciousness. So that’s exactly how I had been teaching it to go into um, uh, pure awareness. I have different words for it, but I really like how she helps people go there.

Kim (00:41:01):
So then you, you go beyond all the unknown and unknown, all the created and uncreate, that’s source consciousness. We are always connected with source consciousness. We are source consciousness embodied playing itself out in physicalizing. We just are creating it that we don’t know that <laugh>. Yeah. So I think that’s a great way to remember go beyond the, the known and the unknown, the created and the un upgraded through the heart also, like if I breathe into my heart, I can expand into that awareness much more easily. But the number one most important nothing else matters is that I connect with that space, not, oh, what should I do? Oh, you should do this thing. It’s really good. And I had a friend who did it. Oh no, you can’t do that. It won’t work. Oh, you have to take this medicine. Ah, you shouldn’t have surgery, you should heal yourself. It’s all bullshit, it’s all created. You have to go beyond mind in order to connect with sous and then the intelligence guides you to like needle and haystack.

Guy (00:42:09):
Yeah, amazing. And there’s the challenge right there, isn’t it? If we hadn’t experienced that before, are we not used to expanding our awareness beyond just our senses and connecting to something far greater than us? And we’re in those perpetual loops. It’s, it’s getting how, how we start to get beyond that and come back to having that experience initially to then go, ah, this shit’s real, this actually works. I’m, I’m going, you know, and, and developed a practice around it. When you work with people, what do you find? Actually, can I ask you one more question before I move on to that? Um, when did you start opening up and openly talking about all of this? Oh, because I, I’ve into like, I, like I said, I’ve been podcasting a long time, right? I’m not gonna mention names, but I’ve interviewed academics in the past and the one thing I’ve noticed sometimes is that they’re extremely intelligent and can articulate things in such a way. I’m like, oh my, I can’t even, I don’t even know what you’re on about now I can’t keep up. But at the same time there’s a sense or awareness that there’s something more, but they won’t talk about it, that they that because there’s a lot attached to their name to, to everything else. And I’m not saying that’s a common thing, I don’t know, but from my experience of speaking to certain academics, so, uh, yeah please,

Kim (00:43:32):
I love this question cuz it’s so in the moment. Um, so I’ve shared about all of this and my experience with having a chronic illness and being super intuitive, blah blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was about a month ago I was interviewed by a man who went through my be the medicine course, which is more higher level expanded journey of being and living as the being you’re here to be. And he got so much from this course, he’s got a huge community and it just revolutionized his life and his business. He said, I want you to come on and talk to my community. And when we came on, I started talking about some of these things from having had that experience when I was very young and he used to always call me Kim Waka. He said, this is better, this is bigger than any ayahuasca journey I’ve done is doing the the medicine course.

Kim (00:44:27):
So I thought that was so funny that he said Kim Waka. And so I told him about that experience when I was 16. We used marijuana, but this massive Aya Wasco like journey can’t put the gene back in the bottle happen. And, and I, I shared about it and he was floored. He said, I had no idea that is where you’re coming from. And it just hit me. And I thought, that’s crazy that even the people so close to me or you know, close to the work, um, really weren’t aware of this. And I thought like I, I not for any specific conscious reason, um, but I hadn’t really been sharing from that space. And I thought, well shit, that’s gotta change. So I shared with my community a whole lot more about it. I’ve shared, there’s been like three or four interviews already I’ve shared about it.

Kim (00:45:19):
I went on um, Jeff Mars podcast where oh my gosh guy. So his podcast is a lot of supernatural and near death experiencers and blah blah blah. And for some reason I just thought like, well I don’t deserve to be in that category cuz I, I didn’t actually die in flatline and blah blah blah. Um, then I saw this er doctor who’s now teaching mind body medicine who shared about A N D E like experience and this awakening he had and now his work is totally different. And I thought, oh my god, this guy’s like a carbon image me. And I never thought of like, I can be justified in my experience and it’s an nie like n d e like experience. Um, and it just opened me up to realize like, fuck, this is like really big and you can validate this and it’s okay to let people know what this is.

Kim (00:46:08):
So I went on Jeff MA’s podcast and shared and since then I realized like it was an N D E, like I was on the table and they were trying to not actively resuscitate my cardiac function, but I was slipping back in and out from these like seizures and passing out. And so there was a lot more there. And um, I think that there’s a shift in the frequency and consciousness of humanity where now there’s a lot more receptivity. So, you know, as the student is ready, the teacher appears something in me began to appear to speak at this level much more recently.

Guy (00:46:47):
Beautiful. I’m glad you, uh, shared that because I, I think that’s the video that popped up on my, with Jeff Mars. I think that was the one. And I, and cuz you were a doctor, i I pressed play. I was like, oh, that’s an interesting combination. You don’t see that very often. That must have been it. Yeah. Well, I’m so happy that you are because you, you’re given me, um, courage to do the same <laugh>. Absolutely. You know, when people come to work with you, what, why do they generally come? Where are they at and what have you seen with your own eyes from teaching other people this work?

Kim (00:47:24):
There are a lot of people with chronic illnesses that aren’t resolving. Um, or just situations that are driving ’em crazy anxiety and depression and just situations that aren’t resolving, realizing, wow, there’s gotta be a different way to do it and they’re ready to function in a higher consciousness. Whether it’s like, I can’t stand my work anymore, I’ve gotta be who I’m really here to be. Or oh my gosh, they told me I have blah blah blah disease. I know there’s gotta be a different way to approach this. So I think there are things that open us to start to let in a new dimension and a new reality and a new truth. And so all of them have had that. They’ve had, I’m ready to surrender what I think I know and the way I’m doing this because I know it’s not working. And so a lot of that is with like illness or chronic fatigue or like obscure stuff nobody even has a name for, but it’s also very empathic beings who are awakening.

Kim (00:48:24):
But you know what, it’s like the empathic beings who end up taking on the energy that manifest those weird illnesses. So I think it’s like a lot of us who are here to do really profound work to ashi sh sh assist the shift on the planet end up in that category of like, I’m stuck. What do I need? And so, um, that, that, those are kind of the two categories or the people who know I’m here to do something really profound and the people who are like, oh my God, they’re telling me there’s no way to to resolve this disease. But I know there is. And so the work we do is like kind of I guess two categories. Um, most people are in both <laugh> where they’re like, well, I’m still hailing myself, but I know I’m also here to be a leader of something really profound.

Kim (00:49:13):
And so we have, uh, embracing health, which is a year long integration where we really percolate in this higher truth. And it begins to come in cellularly and recreate your body. So people resolving, and I’ve seen un unthinkable, you know, resolution of cancer, you know, the ca the tumor is shrinking and they’re like, oh wait a minute, we saw five tumors and now there’s only two and they’re so much smaller and the surgery’s gonna be very minimal. So they just go remove the tumors and they didn’t have to do radiation and chemo and you know, who knows if we had gone on longer if, if she would’ve dissolved all of them. It doesn’t matter. Do the, do the journey that’s right for you. Um, I’ve seen cancer heal and resolve. I’ve seen, um, ms you know, where they say, oh, you’re in remission. You know, people just not have any, you know, they’re, they’re actually resolving where they start walking again on a wheelchair.

Kim (00:50:05):
I’ve seen, we had a really awesome woman who had, um, eler Danlos, which is a genetic condition of the connective tissue. And so in medical school there’s the guy with his, you know, neck pulled all the way across the page cuz they’re so, um, stretchy, but you know, the, the joints will sublux and go out of joint. Her back was constantly in severe pain. Um, she was in a wheelchair. She was at the chiropractor like three times a week just to be functional because there was so much pain, um, to being outta the wheelchair. Functional doesn’t need to go to the chiropractor. Um, aligned and staying in that alignment because of the new foundation, she grounded in her body. So that was huge because people say, well, yeah, but my thing is genetics, so therefore, but we actually see that in this shift in consciousness, we shift genes and we shift gene expression.

Kim (00:50:54):
Um, I’ve seen people with thyroid disease repair the thyroid hyper and hypo I’ve seen, um, not in my direct people I’m working with, but other people, um, have resolution in type one diabetes, which is kind of unheard of that like, no, once your, um, your pancreas isn’t making th uh, isn’t making insulin, it can’t do that. Um, I’ve seen that though in some of the children of people I’m working with cuz our kids are affected by our consciousness, have a resolution in type one diabetes. Um, all kinds of things. And I would say literally anything that we’ve named medically or perceived medically, it is affected by our consciousness. Doesn’t mean we’re meant to live without disease. Any acute illness or a learning or a slowing down, it just means that the reality of these chronic illnesses and the power we’re giving them is not true.

Guy (00:51:53):
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So that begs the question, and what is a, a disease like with all your experience now, how do you look at it?

Kim (00:52:02):
So it’s a constellation of symptoms. If you’ve got like, okay, you’re fatigued and you’re gaining weight and you’re this and that. Okay, like that’s a thyroid disease and oh, and it’s autoimmune, so it’s Hashimotos. You know, we can come up with a constellation of understanding what’s happening and that can be useful for things when we have a good awareness of what’s causing it and we have a good way of treating it. But it isn’t useful for like, pretty much every chronic illness we’ve got because yeah, we have a name for it. Oh, you have ms, but why do you have it? What’s causing it and what do we need to do to resolve it? Oh, well that we don’t really know. We can’t resolve it. So in the pharmaceutical model, that structure is created cuz they’re like, whoa, we’ve got this patent and this designer drug and we’re gonna sell it to you for this.

Kim (00:52:49):
And it’s a multi-billion dollar industry. That structure isn’t very useful for the way I’m looking at it, right? Because it’s all just energy. And if you are, let’s say you have certain belief systems like I’ve gotta suppress my emotions or I’m not good enough, I’ve gotta work really hard. You know, there’s all kinds of belief systems that are part of it or um, just genetic programming or, um, your own history and memories. Like there’s, it’s all living in the system. And so if I see a person with the, you know, Hashimoto’s thyroiditis or MS or um, chronic fatigue syndrome, Lyme disease, like I’m gonna approach it very differently to look at why is the body not resolving this, right? Because we know the immune system can clear Lyme disease and yet they’re not, uh, we know that the nerve nervous system can maintain integrity, but wow, this person that’s not happening.

Kim (00:53:43):
What, what regeneration needs to happen and what’s stopping that? And then I’ll see the whole universe of like the belief systems or the sometimes people have a commitment to like, I’ll always serve my family and I’ll never grow beyond them and it’s subconscious so it, when I point it out, they’ll see like, oh my God, that’s true. Oh my god, that’s true. Oh my god, yes, this did happen. And then we bring ’em back to maybe there’s a specific point when that vow went into place and you can unwind that. I mean, I don’t unwind that you don’t unwind, that you allow the source energy that is creating you in every moment to unwind that that part is done for you.

Guy (00:54:25):
Yeah, it is truly, it truly is getting out of our own way, isn’t it, at the end of the day.

Kim (00:54:30):
Yeah, but, and if you don’t embrace the truth that we are, part of all that is, well now you, you just s so l because you’re a separate being. You gotta fend for yourself and there’s nothing that can happen. And yes, you will live that as if it’s true and you’re right. And that person won’t be able to hear us.

Guy (00:54:51):
Hmm. Listening to, to, I always, I, I mentioned this book a few times, um, I’m not sure if you’re familiar with it, but, um, I had Robbie Holtz on and her husband wrote a book called The Secrets of Aboriginal Healing. And he was, it’s an, it’s amazing. It’s amazing. And he was an American white man that was taken into the outback of Australia. First white man they ever took in. I think he had MS in a wheelchair in the early 2000 or late nineties. They hadn’t taken him in and they worked with him for two weeks. And the number one key, or the number one thing was willingness this. And they had to work on his willingness first that, that if you, you truly have to be willing to go there and as in to do the work, you know, and get part beyond the belief systems and everything. Yes. There’s a remarkable story and, and the the key principles in that we are here in different ways. You know, when, when I have these conversations and so I always like to mention a book. Yeah.

Kim (00:55:50):
Oh, I’ve gotta read it. I, I’m trying to remember the name of it, but there’s a woman who journeyed in into the outback and was living with the aboriginals and she was from, I think United States and it was a change your life profoundly, but she witnessed them, you know, somebody’s got a broken leg and they healed that leg and used the healing powers. A lot of the stuff, you know, you, you’ll be shown, you can be shown this. Um, but it was such a game changer because she saw all kinds of things happen and then for herself, um, with ailments she went, and then the healing that happened, and I, I, I’ve gotta remember the name, but that, that’s where these things are preserved because in the, um, frequency and consciousness our society’s functioning in, that’s all just bullshit. You, they, they can’t even be comprehended.

Kim (00:56:42):
But hey, what have we, wait a minute, what have we done? Are we being mind brainwashed into that functioning because we’ve lost our own connection with divinity? We’ve lost po suppress our own healing ability and then we’ve bought into this industry that says it has to come from outside of you. And you, you could find lots of people to find really hardcore evidence of why everything you and I are doing is bullshit. And like, great, go there and that’s your life and you’ll live that truth. You’ve gotta let that die in order to see something else and then to experience that. So it’s, it’s awesome these people are bringing that aboriginal truth because when we live in harmony with nature, we would never suppress our own divine intelligence and our own infinite powers.

Guy (00:57:30):
I, I know, right? And then it’s being able to find a way of how we get past the mind just to invite people in to then explore the work and, and so they’re ready and willing to do that, you know? And I’m forever fascinated with it. And the conversations and the,

Kim (00:57:46):
Yeah, I got the name, the name is, um, mutant Message from Down Under, and I think she was a Texan

Guy (00:57:53):
<laugh>. Wow.

Kim (00:57:55):
She wrote like a, a sequel to that as well. But some of those are some of the best books I’ve ever read.

Guy (00:58:00):
Amazing. I I’ll check that out too. I’ll make sure that’s in the show notes as well. And just to wrap this up today, um, two questions for you. The first question is if people wanna find out more about your work, um, where can we send them to? We’ll make sure the links are in the show notes as well. Um,

Kim (00:58:15):
Dr. Kim d.com is my website and, um, on YouTube it’s, uh, Dr. Kim D’Eramo. I do Mind Body tv. So every, um, week I do a, a new broadcast to teach some of these principals, and that’s, uh, that’s on YouTube in Facebook. We’re in the mind body community. That’s where our coaches are and where I’ll, I’ll broadcast live to that group each week as well. But dr. Kim d.com is the main site.

Guy (00:58:44):
And you’ll be in Melbourne as well? I believe.

Kim (00:58:46):
I’ll be in Melbourne at the end of April for the Mind Heart Connect conference.

Guy (00:58:54):
Amazing. I’ll, I’ll make sure this goes out before then. And, um, okay, cool. So, so people will be aware of that as well. And so just to, just to wrap up the podcast, with everything we’ve covered today, is there anything you’d like to leave the listeners to ponder on?

Kim (00:59:10):
Yes. Um, we are accelerating and it’s inevitable that we move into a higher consciousness, so it’s going to be differentiated, um, the path of darkness, the path of pain, which is also a valid learning path of ascension. Um, and the path of light where we choose light and we choose to cultivate love, uh, which is as simple as soften my body when I’m scared instead of clamping down and controlling. Um, and so we are at a really pivotal point where we are choosing, which, you know, we’re either gonna double down on what’s not working and, and fear what’s being said here and, and close, or probably for everyone listening, you wouldn’t be listening to this if you weren’t interested in, um, choosing that path of light where we align with truth. You know, you’re, you’re at choice that this realm is about choice. And so you can choose to let that light in and let your life express that. And that’s beautiful. That’s what we’re doing is helping people make that choice and navigate that choice and continue to let the full expression of the self be lived.

Guy (01:00:22):
Amazing. Kim, I’m so happy I reached out to you and thank you for accepting the invitation to come on the show. What a podcast, mate. I can feel your energy bursting through the screen here and listening to you and your, just your sh your authentic Sharon is just gorgeous. So it’s deeply appreciated.

Kim (01:00:37):
Thank you. I feel the same. I love you. I’m so glad we met and I’m a friend and please stay connected for anything that you ever need that I can possibly be assisting with.

Guy (01:00:47):
Thousand percent. Thank you so much, Kim. Thank you.

Kim (01:00:50):
Bye.