#182 This week, my amazing guest is Dr. Doug Matzke. Doug is a scientist, researcher, and presenter in areas such as hyperdimensional mathematics, quantum computing, real intelligence, and metaphysics. During our conversation today, we discuss Doug’s latest book, Deep Reality, and the new knowledge that it adds to the current discourse of quantum computing and the human potential. We talk about hyper dimensions, the law of attraction, lucid dreaming, and how we can grow our minds and heal ourselves if we can understand hyper dimensions.

If you’ve ever wondered whether there is more to life than our physical existence, and or if you are a sceptic wondering if science can prove all this, then this is the episode for you.

“If quantum is that powerful, and it’s the basis of all of physics, well, why isn’t it also the basis of mind?”

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About Doug: Dr. Doug Matzke is a prolific scientist, researcher, and presenter in his areas of expertise about the limits of computation, hyperdimensional mathematics, neurocomputing, quantum computing, real intelligence and metaphysics. During his 45 year career, he was chairman of two PhsyComp ‘92/’94 workshops, contributed to 15 disclosed patents with 8 granted, has published more than 50 papers and presentations, and earned a PhD in Quantum Computing. Doug has adopted the moniker of “Quantum Doug” because he combines these deep-reality subjects as the source science beneath his quantum mind-based model of humanity.

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Key points with time stamp:

• Deep Reality: The Extraordinary Understanding of Our Sacred Nature & Human Potential (00:00)
• Are you a quantum computer? (00:45)
• What even is quantum? (04:13)
• The western mind and the gap between science and spirituality (08:02)
• Is our mind able to create? (09:17)
• What does hyperdimensional mean? (12:15)
• Quantum entanglement 101 (16:58)
• Dissolving your ego to learn about the unknown (18:31)
• The importance of quantum computers (19:26)
• Spiritual experiences as backed by quantum physics (21:59)
• The spiritual journey of Doug himself (23:39)
• Could understanding hyper dimensions heal us from trauma? (25:40)
• Do we experience a richer life if we possess more Prana? (29:20)
• For the skeptic (31:11)
• Using the law of attraction in our lives (34:14)
• Infinite intelligence and tapping into our potential (40:24)
• A spiritual IQ? (43:46)
• The future of an awakened state of being (46:33)
• Doug’s intention for Deep Reality (51:18)
• Turn off the negative talk (53:12)

Mentioned in this episode:

• Deep Reality: Why Source Science May Be the Key to Understanding Human Potential, Doug’s book.
• Professor Donald Hoffman
• The Case Against Reality, A book by Donald Hoffman
• Fred Alan Wolf, American physicist
• Cubism
• EBIT, an entangled bit
• William A. Tiller, Doug’s co-author
• Prana: Life energy
• Anita Moorjani
• Sparse distributed coding
• Caroline Cory
• Dr. Jeffery Thompson
• Dr Quantum

Doug’s Website:
deeprealitybook.com

Bruce’s Book:
deeprealitybook.com/product/deep-reality

 

About me:

My Instagram:
www.instagram.com/guyhlawrence/?hl=en

My website:
www.guylawrence.com.au
www.liveinflow.co

 

TRANSCRIPT

Guy 00:01
Beautiful quantum Doug, welcome to the show. Thank you. I am you know chatting to you off air as well. This is going to be an absolutely fascinating conversation today. I, I in all Honestly, I get a bit nervous sometimes when I bring scientists on and I around the research because it can get so deep, so fast. And even just trying to keep up in them levels. But But you seem like a really nice guy. So I’ll show you We’ll go easy on me today.

Doug 00:32
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, that’s why I wrote the book, you know, if you really need the gory details, then go look at the book. But the goal is here to try to convince you to go read the book in spite of the gory details in the book.

Guy 00:45
But both both are needed. Both are needed in this Yeah, exactly. 100% Yeah. But I’ll start the show, like I always do. And that is if you are at an intimate dinner right now. And you sat next to a complete stranger, and they asked you what you did for a living? You say? Well,

Doug 01:01
I’m actually a professional programmer, and an electrical engineer by training by trade. So, but my, but my passion is quantum computing. And so so I usually lead off with that kind of save and see, see where they you know, what interest what level of interest they have in that subject, and that biting and, and then I usually say something like, Well, you know, we’re quantum computers, humans are quantum computers, even if you don’t know anything about quantum computers, we’re quantum computers. And so why How is that possible? And what does that you know, so, so once you once you realize everybody is a quantum computer, right, then you and the reason I say that is because we, in the same way that quantum computers have behaviors that are not possible with classical computers. And I can go into great detail about that. Humans have behaviors that are not possible with a classical computer, also, you know, the whole metaphysics area, so and you say, okay, but my goal here is an intuition and sort of my intuition, and my guides, if you want to call it that taught to me about this for years and years, and you’re saying, Okay, let’s connect those two. So thought, you know, in quantum computing, are related to how we’re metaphysical. Right? So, so that’s right. And so people who automatically discount physic metaphysics, especially if you tie quantum computing to it, or quantum physics to it, I’m trying to make that bridge just as it’s it’s not metaphysics, it’s, it’s completely it’s pro physics. It’s the normal physics, you know, this is how we’re intelligent. So I use the term real intelligence to, to talk about it, to differentiate it from artificial intelligence rich, nobody. You know, that’s the whole field that everybody’s working on right now is artificial intelligence. And that is with the presupposition that the brain is a classical computer. And so therefore, we can mimic it, right. But yeah, realize humans are quantum computers. Oh, then all of a sudden formula changes, because you can’t build an artificial intelligence machine. Alright, so yeah, so that’s, that’s kind of how I sort of like dance around the topics and see which part of the subject they’re interested in. So I’ll do the same view and see which part of the subject you’re interested.

Guy 03:17
No , totally, and it is mind blowing. And it’s like, I often wonder, because the old me like, because we were talking about hair, and I was sharing some of my experiences and why I’m so passionate about this work now. And like, but if the old me from Wales, you know, 20 years ago, you’d what you just said, it would just be like, a ha, you know, it just would not land. But the fact that I’ve been exploring the inner work and connecting to the aspect of ourselves that is the metaphysical is that part that we can’t seem to measure or quantify? Yeah, but at the same time, in my world, it is as real as this conversation, you know, as seeing you see new across. So for me, it’s so important that we’re able to start to bridge these and have people like yourself, write books that take apparently you said 20 years to write your book.

Doug 04:06
I’ve been threatening to write a book for 20 years. And then I actually took five years to write it, right.

Guy 04:13
Which is just not, you know, and there was one thing I because if I want to break this down as simple as possible for a moment, and that’s even the word quantum, because even if I go to a workshop, where we hold a meditation workshop, and I love to speak to the science and the people that I’ve had on the podcast that are sharing different aspects of it a bit of a different meaning around why we have practices and do the work, but literally out of 50 people, only a small handful will even put their hand up that they’ve even heard the word and this is people wanting to learn the work. Yeah, exactly. So how would you even define that quantum? Well see,

Doug 04:53
ultimately that’s why the name of the book I mean, I’m part of this is all because I wrote this book right called Deep reality and and The good news is, is my my publisher came up with that title, which was good, because I probably wouldn’t have come up with that good title. But the idea is, is that deep reality is it’s, I use the analogy that says, if some, everybody knows about their car, right, they know that they has an engine, it has a transmission, it has a carburetor, it has fuel, fuel pump, anti lock, brakes, electronic ignition, so everybody’s a buzzword engineer about the car, they couldn’t fix it, they couldn’t design it, they couldn’t build it. You know, they can, some people can’t barely drive it, right, but yet they know about the car. So my goal is to sort of like get the buzzword in engineering terms about human mind. So that everybody’s familiar with it, even though they don’t know how to meditate yet, or how to have an astral projection? Or how, you know, it’s the same metaphor as getting familiar with the terminology of your car. So

Guy 05:55
go on it. Okay. Okay.

Doug 05:57
So then the quantum, the aspect of the quantum then is, is that it’s the fundamental aspect of how the universe is graded. So there are many physicists much smarter than I am, he says, you know, Fineman said, you know, the world is quantum mechanical, dammit, it’s not classical. You know, so if you believe that, and you realize that quantum is fundamentally different than classical computing, and classical physics, then you go, Well, if it’s that powerful, and it’s the basis of all of physics, well, why isn’t it also the basis of mind? Okay, and so we just had to stop talking about quantum computing and quantum physics, from a physics perspective and start to start talking about it from an information perspective. Okay. And if you look at anything that’s going on with, like, transcendent experiences, you know, even things like law of attraction, and infinite intelligence, all of those concepts, what do they all have in common? They have nothing to do with energy has everything to do with information and computer science kinds of ideas, right? So that’s what the book is doing. It’s kind of connecting. It’s saying, look, the old domain, classical physical universe is all about energy. But the mental domain and the quantum physics is all about information. And let’s talk about the information. So this, this particle wave duality, Energy Information, duality, this, you know, we’re focusing in on the information side and starting to have the conversation about the information and most transcendent experiences. You can’t explain by quote, energy, you have to explain it as some informational process, like astral projection or remote viewing, you have to say that there’s a mechanism there, but it’s primarily informational. Right? Yeah, yeah. And so that’s, that’s, that’s where I’m coming from is that physics? is the basis for the source of everything in the physical universe. And so I call it source science. And the source science is the basis for the our mind to, so that’s what ties it together.

Guy 08:02
Yeah, no, that makes perfect sense. And for me, when you when I hear you speak, it’s like, it feels like we’re taking the wool out of the wool wool. And we’re actually then taking my science and really starting to meet these aspects from both ways. Because once we start to have language and an information and a process to bridge that gap, it really allows us to then lean into this as opposed to dismiss it without even looking at it, which absolutely, as Westerners we get encouraged. I don’t know whether I don’t know if it’s encouraged is the right word, but it’s just not in our radar. Yeah, any people?

Doug 08:40
Well, in the UK, they’re probably more keen on metaphysics just because because of the history of metaphysics work, research was done in the UK, right? But, but in the US, it’s it’s really the critics and the physics people. And the critics that are in the classical physicists, people that are the that are the people who are attacking, they’re the attack dogs of the industry, right. And so but even the people who invented quantum mechanics, they all believed that there was something bigger the classical physics, not only from the quantum physics, but consciousness, you know, they talk a lot of those people talking about consciousness. So,

Guy 09:17
yeah. And you talk about universal mind and mind as well. I’ve heard you mentioned a couple of times when I pick you up on that. What’s your thoughts about our mind then? Because I know, there’s a lot of theory about the fact that the brain is more of a receiver, as opposed to creating consciousness and right, what are your thoughts on this and what’s your research led you to believe? Absolutely. Well,

Doug 09:42
once you realize that, that a lot of these behaviors that we have from metaphysical behaviors, right, like astral projection and remote viewing and retro causation, they don’t deal with normal space and time, right? They they violate what We would consider, you know, if you have remote viewing session, you’re violating what we know about classical physics because you’re looking at something that’s remote. So how is that possible? And same thing with precognition, if you have a remote viewing experience, experience and an experiment, even that they’ve done, where you’re looking forward in time, and you’re looking at a newspaper from two days from now, and you’re describing what’s going to be in the newspaper two days from now, how is it possible to do that, both in space and time? So you have to have a mechanism as an engineer, I’m just saying you have to have a mechanism, some way that that’s allowed, right? And it turns out, quantum mechanics can do that. And the way it does that, is that the fundamentals of quantum mechanics is that says that there, every quantum system has these own independent little private dimensions. And it turns out, that’s what I did for my dissertation, which showed that those dimensions were literally bits. In other words, it’s not just the bits that we have in computer science, but this is the bits of physics. That’s why I call it bit physics now. And it basically says that physics owns bits, as well. And once you start realizing, oh, there’s a bit infrastructure in physics to support quantum mechanics. And that’s what I did my PhD on, showed that you can do quantum computing using bit physics using a different kind of math called geometric algebra. And you can show that it produces cubits and bits and, and standard model and all this other good stuff. So once you realize, Oh, these bits, what are they though, they’re an infinite dimensional hyper dimensional space, with each little thing is like a little toothpick. But there are an infinity of them. And those are the dimensions that form the substrate of the physical universe. That makes sense. So it’s like the matrix, it’s like a quantum version of the matrix. Okay, the movie The Matrix, where you have this, this, this infrastructure, this layer in physics, that is an infinite dimensional, hyper dimensional bit physics domain. And in that it’s powerful enough to simulate anything, including the entire physical universe. So our classical universe, essentially is simulating running on that giant simulator.

Guy 12:15
This two, there’s a word I want to pick you up on hyper dimensional. And I’d love to break that down a little bit more, because what you just said made me think of my interview with Professor Donald Hoffman I had on last year. Okay. And, and he he the case against reality, and he spoke about something giving rise to physical form, and I kind of Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. So what does hyperdimensional mean? Does that mean it’s coming out in and out of our 3d reality to somewhere beyond or,

Doug 12:47
I mean, you’re familiar with flatworld ideas, right? Where you have a two dimensional world and, and there’s some, there’s some good YouTube videos out there by Fred Alan Wolf, about flat world, okay, so essentially, imagine if everybody was two dimensional being, they would just live in a plane, right? us as a three dimensional being would be able to look down on top of them and see inside them outside of them see their house inside their house and outside the house at the same time, right. And they wouldn’t be able to see us because we’re outside of, we’re in an extra dimension that they can’t see. So So if you take that analogy and raise it up, one level says, Okay, now imagine that we’re in a three dimensional box. And now there’s a four dimensional being that can actually come down in and in look at us the same way. That’s what Cubist art was all about. Cubist art was all about looking at both sides of the woman’s face at the same time. Hmm. Okay. So it once you start realizing, oh, this, how do artists represent multi dimensional higher dimensional spaces? Well, now imagine that, that you have an infinity of those dimensions, but they weren’t full fledged dimensions, like we were these little tiny little pro dimensions. And they’re made basically bits. So it’s like a computing infrastructure for the simulator that runs the universe. And it turns out that it’s powerful thing to do, you can do, you can you can build things with that, including space, time, matter, energy, just using our infrastructure. Okay. And there’s other people that are working on these ideas. Well, so does that make sense? So this hyperdub so it’s hard for people to imagine if you can go from a two dimensional to three dimensional, and then from a three dimensional to four dimensional, you kind of get the idea what I’m talking about. And so one of my if you want to think of it my superpowers, is that I can visualize this hyper dimensional space without getting lost. Got it? Okay.

Guy 14:40
I this. I remember when you mentioned Fred Alan wolf there and there’s, there’s a fantastic cartoon on YouTube with like, quantum Yeah. Yeah. I’ll link it in the show notes. I remember watching that. Yeah. That’s a really great way of looking at it. Sorry, everyone. Yeah. And have that very thing where we rise above demand. Yeah. So you see in that every time we rise above that, that can be infinite backtest. Essentially,

Doug 15:10
it turns out that each qubit, you know, so we have bits, okay. And each qubit can have two of those dimensions. And that’s what I showed for my dissertation. But then it turns out to guilt to build an entangled bit, you have to have two cubits. So that means every entangled and this is the same no matter which Matthews, you have to have a four dimensional space. Well, just like you can’t represent a sphere in flatland, because there’s not another dimension for it, it’s a two dimensional thing, right? All you can show is the shadow of it on two dimensions, right? So the same thing is true, if you have a four dimensional space, you can’t show it in three dimensions. Right. And so that’s the that’s the problem with it is you is you can’t represent higher dimensional spaces in lower dimensional spaces. For example, right, if you have a two dimensional space, and there’s properties associated with a number of dimensions, if you have a two dimensional space, you cannot create a knot in it, because you have to have a third dimension to loop it. So once you have a three dimensional space, you can make a lot. But if you have a four dimensional space, then the NA has an extra dimension, and you can pull it out like a magician’s loop.

Guy 16:23
Wow.

Doug 16:24
Okay, so the properties of what we think about is physics has totally to do with the standard are assuming that we’ll even realize that we’re doing it we’re just unconsciously thinking it’s a three dimensional space. Right? So

Guy 16:39
it’s amazing. Yeah. And because we’re so conditioned to think linearly, like, yeah, on a three dimensional linear, every,

Doug 16:50
every EBIT. Turns out it’s four dimensions. Well, where is it that so that’s what’s so spooky action at a distance about ebbetts?

Guy 16:58
Because usually nothing.

Doug 17:00
Yeah, see. So entangled bit, an intangible bit is where you take a single photon, and you put it through this crystal that generates a pair of lower energy photons that are in especially way talking to each other. Okay? They’re they’re, they’re combined set. So if you were to do this with coins, you would say, if I flip these coins are no special Communications at anytime I flipped either coin. The other one’s going to be the opposite. No matter how far apart they are. Okay, that’s what’s it called? tangled. Okay. And so the thing is, is that you can have them light years apart. And instantly, if you flip one coin, the other one’s gonna be the opposite. And there’s no local communications between them. And in fact, there can’t be because they’re late, you’re apart. So I signed in like this. He called it spooky action at a distance. Right? And, but the reason it works is because it’s a four dimensional thing. It has this extra connection that you can’t simulate in three dimensions. In fact, even Fineman says the best way to simulate a quantum system is to use a quantum system, because you can’t do it with a classical system. So Wow. So this is tying all these ideas obviously, takes a little while to start getting your head anybody’s head around, which is why I had to write a 350 page book, it’s an elevator speech doesn’t do it. Right. So.

Guy 18:31
And also, I think, like, for me, personally, like I’ve been very passionate about this worked for years now. And each year as each year goes by, I’m learning more and more about myself and realize I actually know nothing. And the more I learned, the more I actually don’t know, and good sign in. And I’ve had enough. I don’t talk about it too often. Because I don’t want to be other people’s experiences. But I’ve had enough mystical experiences and enough, even out of body experiences that have made me come back and go, Wow. It’s like I’ve got a new reference point. From that new reference point, it allows me to come and then look at this information and the things that you’re speaking about. And it’s like, there’s a part of my ego that’s dissolved and disintegrated this allow me to really try and understand what’s happening, as opposed to just shutting down before even around hearing what you have to say, you know, and yeah,

Doug 19:27
so I have one more thing to add about the hyper dimensional definition. So please, once you have at least four dimensions, which you can’t represent inside three dimensional space, you just can’t, right? It’s the same problem with with flatland, right. So if you have, let’s say 100 ebbetts. Well, then you have 400 dimensions. Well, where do you put those four dimensions? When I say a dimension, I mean that mathematically, they’re all they’re not like they’re they’re not like Bits stored in a three dimensional space. They’re actually their own independent dimensions 400 dimensions that are orthogonal to each other. In other words, he would like to have up down north, south, east and west and another 99 or 396 other dimensions that are other directions to go with. Wow. Okay. You can’t simulate that in a lower dimensional space. So that’s the, that’s this quantum computer I’m talking about. That is the infrastructure and it’s outside of space, and it’s outside of time. Why do I say that is because it, it has a kind of concurrency that precedes what we know about as time. So it’s massively parallel. And in fact, it’s big enough to simulate the entire universe. Which includes black holes, supernovas, atomic bombs, you know, you know, the difference between a simulator and a and a. Here’s an example of how you can accept term in a simulator, right? If you have a simulation of an atomic bomb, you can do it all you want, you know, do all thing, but the computer doesn’t melt. The simulation is independent of the computing infrastructure, right? Yeah, did you have an actual atomic bomb, then the energy is released and it releases all this energy. Now, you could simulate all that energy released, but it wouldn’t melt the computer. Well, the same thing is true with quantum physics world, you can have an atomic bomb in it doesn’t melt the simulator that’s running the atomic bomb in our physical world. So yeah, so So I believe that that that we are running a simulator that’s so powerful, it can simulate nucular events. And, and that’s pretty powerful. And supernovas, and black holes and everything else that we see in physics. So what?

Guy 21:59
So as a science, community and evolution of humanity, what are we doing with this information? And where can we take this as we learn more? Yeah, because if there’s if there’s a subtle energy that’s beyond space, and time that’s given rise to life? Are we able to tap into that? Are we able to bring that more into our lives? How are we able to, then,

Doug 22:26
yeah, that’s the back half of my book into the direction is, like, if you understand this, you realize you have, you can have mystical experiences, you know, it’s not, it’s not the, you know, we’re born we live, we die. And that’s the end of it, you know, we we are eternal beings, because these quantum dimensions have no space and no time in them. So if our mind is made of the same stuff, then it is eternal. Right? And, and you it has to be that way, we don’t have to invent anything new for for metaphysics, because quantum physics is powerful enough already to do everything we need to, we just have to talk about it in the right way. And once you do that, you can create predictions about other experiments that you can do. And that’s what my co author bill tiller did for you know, he had a lab for many years that he got funded to just study, interesting ways of looking at physics experiments. Okay. And so that’s part of the story of the book is making sure people understand what what his contribution was to the to society. So does that make sense?

Guy 23:39
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it does. It does. And with you on your own journey. What? Because there’s, because for me chatting to you, uh, you’re a rare breed, I think, you know, honestly, like, you’re you’re extremely passionate about the science, but clearly, you have a very deep connection to your own spiritual sciences as well. Yeah, absolutely. I

Doug 24:03
meditate every day for 15 years. So,

Guy 24:06
yeah. So So which, which, for you came first?

Doug 24:10
Um, I think, I think I was technology as a kid, you know, if they didn’t have computers when I was born, right, barely, you know. And so by the time I was in high school, I ended up going to the Technical College, learn computer programming, you know, this was in high school, okay, no, and this was in 1967. Nobody had computers, personal computers that they could use. So I was using a technical, you know, Technical College computer, but then it was one that was on the side, nobody was using it. So I had a personal computer in 1967 that nobody else could get access to. You know, so I would I learned I was like, learning about computers from very on. So I’ve lived in brief computers since 1967. And so I look at everything from an information and computer processing. And then I realized, well, metaphysics doesn’t solve that problem. You know, it doesn’t, doesn’t fit into that model. So I’m looking all of that from an information perspective, too. And so I think everything that I’ve done for my book, essentially, was guided by spirit, because that was sort of my path that was my destiny is to connect these two. So which came first? I think I look at stuff that I wrote in the 80s. And in the 90s, and even 10 years ago. It’s the same stuff I’m saying now in my book, but I didn’t even know I didn’t even knew I knew it back then. Right. So does that. Explain the connection between Yeah,

Guy 25:40
yeah, yeah. Yeah, totally. Totally. Yeah, I’m always I’m always fascinated. I’m always fascinated, you know, and from your experiences, then and looking at both and moving forward? What do you think? And I think about the majority of people that we work with here in Australia, and that, I guess, we’re always kind of looking for answers and wondering, why is this happened and, and there’s always trauma or there’s healing to be required, you know, there’s a pain that drives people forward into this work. General, not always. But generally, what are the implications, then if we begin to fully understand what you’re seeing from the science perspective? Then? What could that do to us to help support us when it comes to healing ourselves and healings, such a broad term, it can create so much healing for anyone anyway? So I don’t want to get caught in that trap. But if if we are, if we are information, are we able to get to that source information to actually affect the physical aspects of ourselves to help support us? Yeah, moving forward? Yeah.

Doug 26:53
Well, because because we’re, I mean, if you look at dreams, right, people who have lucid dreams and stuff like that, that’s the probably the easiest gateway to get, get into this, okay? Because then you all of a sudden, you’re, you’re experiencing this trance, you know, people have near death experience to have a transcendent experience, right. And then they come back and they’re interchange permanently, or if they have a Kundalini awakened, they’re changed permanently, right. And but if you can, you could taste that without having to die. Right? By having lucid dreaming, right. And so once you realize, Oh, the universe is, you know, essentially, I can have a virtual reality in my dream every night, and I can do whatever I want. And I can be resting and doing adventures at the same time and learning things. If everybody could get to that point, as a society, if everybody could have what I call tasting the divine, that they taste, the mind that having this mystical, some kind of mystical experience, then they would realize, Oh, the universe isn’t the way they teach us that the universe is that it’s really this fundamental thing. So people use the term, there’s two terms that that I try to not use. One is, even though my co author invented the term, subtle energy in the 90s, he came up with that term. I don’t like it, because it’s talking about energy, like, humans are a battery. You know, right. We’re not we’re more like an information computer than we are battery. Right. Right. So so there’s that term. But but so there’s, so it’s this that subtle energy term, but but also, it energy is the wrong terminology. Nobody’s come up with a good term for what subtle energy is. So I tend to like the term prana. Because Okay, East in the West, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s not something that has an energy context to it, right. So, so anyhow, so that’s the other term that I saw, I use the word product rather than suddenly energy. And I also talked about, I mean, the other thing is that people who are interested in God say, Well, God is all powerful, and all knowing. Right, but God isn’t a bomb. Right? But if you’re all knowing you’re probably all powerful, too. So again, it’s information side of it is the powerful side of it. Okay, so that does that mean? Yeah.

Guy 29:20
Yeah, no, it does. It does. And when, when so if we use the term prana, and then bring prana into our bodies. Do you think then the more prana we have, the more the more lifeforce we have then the greater the richer the experience that we’re having here.

Doug 29:41
Yes, I believe that the product is these hyper dimensional space and the auras that we see. an aura is really a measure of the amount of number of dimensions that we have as part of our spiritual self. And the more dimensions we have the The brighter we are. But it’s not. It’s not again, like a battery. It’s more like a complexity. You know, if you look at the chakras, they have the lower level chakras are have a few petals, and as you go up the petals, it has more and more petals at the up as you go up the chakras, right? Well, that’s not, that’s a measure of the complexity of that state of consciousness, okay. So we just have to do is we have to brace include more dimensions in in it, so that we rise above our four dimensional space. And eventually we’re going to be spending spending all of our time in this higher dimensional space. And it’s kind of like heaven on earth. It’s like, we’re in both. We’re not stuck in three dimensions anymore. We’re more in this hyper dimensional space, we’re more insightful. We can have non local communications with other people with other things. That’s our mind is really in that domain. So our higher self is there. We’re tapping into the future in the past there. Those are all things that we can do when we’re, we increase our dimensionality. Increase the prana. And, and then we’re more in balance, right?

Guy 31:11
Yeah, have you? I’m just thinking that for some reason, I can hear a few skeptics sitting in the car listening to this right now going, Yeah, that all sounds great. But is that possible? You know, have you met people that are doing these things?

Doug 31:25
Absolutely. I mean, I have real good friends of mine that I even talk about in the book, you know, healers and remote viewers. And I’ve done experiments with many of these in research, and I mean, how can a healer who’s working with an MD for 30 years? You know, be anything but right. You know, Totally, yeah, you’re right. And they have, she has people from all over the world coming to Dallas to be with her because regular medicine doesn’t have anything else to do with them. You know, she has, she had this one person who came with the careflight out from from Spain, and then spent months with her and then went back Normally, you know, resists, you can do this kind of things, right? You can have instant healing, I mean, the person who did heal by the lot, you know, Maharani, who did who had a near death experience, and then was cured of cancer afterwards, you know, it’s like, Moorjani. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, and even even Alexander, you know, he’s an MD, I mean, there’s, there’s all these people that probably shouldn’t be alive, you know, angels in the alar, kind of those are other. Another example, you know, so I think there’s these higher, if you look at these higher dimensions, they have a lot of properties that we’re not used to in the classical world, such as order. You know, entropy is a three dimensional concept. It’s an energy concept, it’s about disorder. But if you’re in a higher dimensional context, you don’t have a three dimensional limit, you’re not bound by energy. So you can reorder things, and it shows up as more order rather than less order, we would call that healing, or we would call it negative entropy. So you can start at least mathematically talking about it, and saying, you know, that’s one of the things that my co author did is he showed that you can change the pH of water with an intention. And not only can you change the pH of water with intention, you can store that intention in an electronic device called an intention host device. And that intention, host device can be in the lab, telling the water to either go up a pH or down a pH, and it works. Wow. So so if you can change if thought can be encoded in a, in a structure, and then use it to affect the physical world. This is what my co author said, he says it it completely defeated. De cartes assumption that the mind does not affect the physical world. So again, there’s all this science based on it, that’s that’s kind of baked in with our classical worldview. As soon as you kind of started dissolving all of that all of a sudden, you go well, and then anything’s possible. Law of Attraction kind of idea. So

Guy 34:14
which was going to be my next question, okay. Because that how much then is because you often hear the way, the way we think and the way we feel is, is creating our reality. And so the way like the state of being the way we are being, we tend to attract more of I mean, what are your I’d love to hear your thoughts on all of this. Yeah.

Doug 34:38
Well, first of all, law of attraction. I mean, I’ve studied it a long time. I love Esther Hicks. Okay. And Abraham, okay, so I’ve studied I’ve got a stack of CDs this talk been getting every month, you know, and listening to and I would just listen to it in the car because I would want to be ingrained in that kind of thinking and I didn’t have enough sources for it anywhere else, you know, Over the last 20 years, okay, so, but the idea that law of attraction says, you can have similar things like you like birds of a feather like minded things are attracted to each other. Okay? Well, again, there is no magnetics that did that there are no electromagnetics that does that there are there are no forces in nature that physics can point to that is a mechanism for attracting things of similar meaning. Why is because we don’t understand what meaning is, you know, meaning is the fundamental idea of what I would call real intelligence, humans are the source of meaning, and meaning comes from this hyper dimensional space. Okay, and if you don’t have a hyper dimensional space, you really don’t have meaning. So all we can simulate is this mathematical thing. We say, well, we’re going to attach this label to this thing. And we say, well, we’re going to it’s going to mean the apple or the chair, right? But in computers, they don’t have computers just have these bits, they don’t have any meaning associated with anything, of course. Okay. So once you have meaning, you have to have a mechanism for how meaning can be the basis for law of attraction. Right? What’s the difference between asking for the lava law of attraction, the meaning for having the pH of water go up one point versus down one point, that’s a different meaning. Right? And yet it works. So you have to be able to discriminate at the level of up versus down, right? For something as complicated as Ph. Okay? So, so meaning is important to law of attraction. And it turns out, there’s a whole mathematics of hyper dimensional spaces called coral atoms. I worked in this area for five years. And I showed its correspondence equivalents to got $100 million grant from the government to study neural and quantum computing. And that was part of my inspired path that I did is I was looking for my next job when I finished my PhD, and all sudden, this job shows up. And then it’s perfect for what I do to write my book, you know, here, this is all 15 years ago, 20 years ago, practically. So the universe kept inspiring me and opening the doors to make sure that I learned all the stuff I need and to go, why would I need to know about neural in quantum computing? And here’s the reason it’s because we’re neural quantum computers. And it’s built on this hyper dimensional space. So you can go and see all my technical talks about what is what is correlate them. memories, okay. Another term is sparse distributed coding, Kanerva memories, correlate them objects, but the math works. And I tell you that because if it didn’t, our cell phones wouldn’t work. It’s using CDMA, sparse distributed coding techniques. But think of it as a general quantum computing system that uses sparse distributed coding, as its computing infrastructure. So now we do our communications with it, but we’re doing all computing in that infrastructure too. So pattern recognition and stuff like that. So.

Guy 38:12
Wow. So taking that with what you said, how would we bring that into what we should become aware of in our everyday life? Yeah. From this point forward?

Doug 38:26
Yeah. Do what you are doing, you know, do the lucid dreaming, do the meditation, do law of attraction, in other words, spending all their time watching the negative news, then we’re attracting the wrong things. You know, even if we hate it, we’re still spending too much energy thinking about, so we’re still attracting it. Right? So yeah, so the one thing I’ve learned by all this, like, even with with the divisiveness that’s COVID is happening, right? You know, it’s like I’d rather die than wear a mask. Okay? Your wish is my command law of attraction, right? But it’s like, don’t spend any energy on them. Because otherwise you’re just giving them your energy. Right? So this is, this is all law of attraction laws. I mean, this is what law of attraction tells you. And all my spiritual friend says, Yeah, this is part of the awakening of our society is to realize, Oh, we can’t spend so much time spending our time focusing on this negative thought right patterns and we have to start focusing on positive thought patterns. But the other thing you can do with intention host devices, you can put an intention on it and broadcast it. And it actually affects things so they’ve done experiments with with tiller’s work where they work with autistic kids and and did that exact same thing where they would broadcast to autistic kids and change their behavior. Because autistic children are really highly sensitive, energetic beings that don’t interact with the physical world very well. And so There’s Suzy Miller, I talk about her in the book. So she’s worked with kids who, you know, she teaches their parents how to be telepathic with their kids. I mean, if you if you believe in anything become telepathic. Now my next language is going to be not German. Not French, not Spanish, but a telepathic light language. So there there’s an, and that’s what I want to be able to be good at. So

Guy 40:24
yeah, it’s incredible, isn’t it? I remember having Caroline Cory on here a few months ago, she made the documentary superhuman. And I love that I remember what, yeah. What they were doing with the children being, you know, blindfolded. Absolutely. still being able to interact with the world around them was just, you know, if that’s not enough evidence that something’s great that’s going on here. Yeah, I don’t know what is.

Doug 40:47
Yeah. Which is plus, plus, a lot of these people exhibit what I would call, you know, what, this is a term from the law of attraction group, actually, it’s called Infinite Intelligence, you know, the Abraham is considered to be an infinite intelligence. Okay, well, what does that mean? Yeah. And well, it turns out, we’re all spiritual beings. So we’re all Infinite Intelligence, we just have to learn to tap into it. And what does that mean? It means becoming more complex, having the lotus flower being even higher than the chakras that we can know about, you know, and having more and more complexity, more and more, how do you really represent represent a hyper dimensional ball in a three dimensional space? It looks like an aura. Because what are we seeing a three dimensional version of it? Right, I’ve seen the shell, the surface of it, but all those dimensions are in there. And by the way, a black hole is also an infinite dimensional space, everything you throw into a black hole just turns into bits. And so all the bits are the same kind of bits I’m talking about where the mind actually show up on the on the surface area of it. And the volume of the black hole is on its surface here. There’s no inside a black hole. And that’s this notion of singularity and stuff like that. So all of these things are tied together. And they’re retired into the physics and math of hyper dimensional spaces.

Guy 42:07
I’ve been listening to this podcast back myself. Because there’s so many moments of like, I’m getting it, I’m getting it. But yeah, like it’s

Doug 42:14
a story that weaves all of those ideas together, knowing that we are three dimensional beings. You could say we’re spiritual beings, but we’re hyperdimensional beings. And so we are outside of space outside of time, we’re separate from our brain. And people have people trying to prove this right, Dean Raiden is with his double slit experiment, you know, he shows your mind can directly affect this PK device, which is quantum experiment. That’s a perfect experiment, because guess what, there’s no energy that can affect a quantum system. Right, right, quantum states directly that that’s happened so. So I use the terminology that our mind is of the same ilk. That’s why I call it soar. Science represents the same dimensions as the rest of the physics is for the for the universe. And so our mind can program it’s like the source code for the universe. For the source science, our mind, we can program anything we want in the universe. And that’s why people can levitate and he’ll do all this stuff is because they’re introducing order into a system that’s really not closed. Entropy only works if you have a closed system. And if it’s seven, eight infinite dimensional space, you know, brick, pulling the nod apart in four dimensions, if you if you have a backdoor to any system, no amount of electromagnetic shielding is going to keep you out of that lock room, right? Because you have a backdoor in it from a hyper dimensional space perspective.

Guy 43:46
Totally. And my mind here is thinking as well, it would be so amazing to be able to measure this really accurately with people and say, right, this is where you started when you started doing the work. And as we’re going on even to be measuring the entropy, you know, and and how much more order we bring in into ourselves. Like, I don’t I don’t know if we close. But if

Doug 44:09
there are this the are these metrics called power versus force. By Hawking’s, you know, the way people do muscle testing stuff that they can test whether you’re from zero to 1000 or 1000s. Christ. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. And so that’s the rudimentary measure of that right now. Okay, yeah. The, the, the, this is like a spiritual IQ. Okay, and you go, Well, that seems interesting. Well, turns out that just like regular IQ, 100 is considered normal, you know, the average for intelligence, you know, and so then they’re inserted, like the highest known IQ in the world is like 198 or something like that, you know, probably people above that. We can’t even measure it. Right. So the question is, what’s what’s, what’s the average for this for the spiritual IQ and Hawking’s scale. And it’s it turns out, it’s 200, just from zero, and it’s a nonlinear scale. So, but when I test, people who are above 500, are considered pretty enlightened. And so you can you can go through this process and test yourself or have somebody people test you for where you are in the scale. And the book itself and the title soar science and the book itself test. Seven 700. So this book was written, I only wrote it when I was inspired to do it. And so, so it has a higher the book has a higher score on Hawking scale than I do. But yeah.

Guy 45:40
So the information is coming through you.

Doug 45:41
Yes, that’s what I’m trying to say. is a measure for it. And it turns out using intention host devices, you can change, people use the thought, just like IQ, they think, Well, you can’t change the IQ of somebody. Right? It’s an it’s an eight. Well, the spiritual IQ, they think, well, you can change that either. It’s not true intention, those devices, they broadcast to people and change their, their, their spiritual IQ of people by combining more dimensions and changing their, their collective intelligence. So

Guy 46:13
yeah. Wow, amazing.

Doug 46:15
So there’s all kinds, there’s all this broadcast technology, using attention host devices, that could absolutely be an important technology for this.

Guy 46:24
Yeah. And it just keeps reinforcing me about how important it is to set your intention be have

Doug 46:31
certainly

Guy 46:33
have purpose and meaning behind each day get up in the in the right space. And what do I want to create today? Where do I want to come from? You’re so right. I love your five step process that you’re talking about this? etc? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I am. I’ve made I got a few questions for you. I ask everyone on the show. Sure. And we wrap things up in that. But one question that’s coming to me is, who are you? How do you see the future of this going? Are you optimistic, you know, with everything that’s going on in the world, and where you’re at? With the old brain? Like, where’s the taken? Yeah,

Doug 47:08
yeah, I’m, I am quite as optimistic. You know, it’s, it’s, I think, spiritually, we’re going to survive no matter what any, right? Because we’re eternal. So it’s just matter whether or not we’re gonna, we’re gonna screw up the planet for them. Right. So, so. So I think, but that if humans can awake, right, and they can touch the divine, then they can realize that all of these bad decisions that collectively we’re making individually and collectively we’re making, we can change the direction even faster than it is. And there’s this. I don’t know that COVID did a nice thing, because everybody went virtual for all these seminars, there are more seminars on the subjects than I could watch if I watched them solid, although I would not get any work done if I watch them all day. So you can see all of these people who are having these transcendent experiences telling their stories over and over again every day on the internet. And it’s it’s inspiring. It’s inspiring. So

Guy 48:16
yeah, it is it is I had I had recorded a podcast with Jeffrey Thompson yesterday. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with his work in Los Angeles. But and he’s he’s just broadcasting a YouTube live every week as well and is gone quantum and he’s got some incredible information, you know, is there’s definitely a hunger for it. I just wonder sometimes. Am I just looking through my little lens? And I’m creating my reality the way I want to see it, which of course I am to a degree, but at the same time, I’m certainly optimistic. Yeah, where things will move forward. So you’re optimistic today? Yes, I am. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely bigger. Because even even in our retreats, we run like we’ve run eight now. And unfortunately, because of this current circumstance, we had a postponed our most recent one. But, you know, if we can bring a collective group of strangers, like 35 people together, and within three nights create this unbelievable connected coherence within a group that is beyond words, that is connecting to something far greater than us. And these people haven’t even a lot of them haven’t even done the work before. And yeah, by the end of it, we’re just like, blown away. So it to me, it just proves that we can change, like, if we choose to if we want to step into that we we are not our circumstances,

Doug 49:38
right. You know, we can we can accelerate this process by using these focus techniques, right. Yeah, I mean, I’m pointing to the Monroe Institute as an example. He’s a hero. Yeah, he’s, he’s an engineer. You know, the, the, the better. Tibetan monks would go to the Monroe Institute to see what it was all about. Right. And they’d been Wow, okay, just to see what it was about and he says We, they, the week always started on Friday, and then it would go to Friday, and then the next group would come in, okay, so they says, On Wednesday, we get to a state with these tapes, they have tapes that guide your brain, change your brain frequency and stuff like that, you get to a state that would take us 20 years to get to a meditation in the mountains. There you go. So and so I believe that we can accelerate these techniques like using Monroe Institute using brain synchronization techniques, and drumming and subtle energy techniques. And, you know, I have been wanting to do it, and I haven’t done it yet. I have my own meditation, which is an energy building meditation. And it combines sort of the best of class of attention, focus, breathing, all of those in someday I’ll put it out, make sure you get a link to it. So I’m on YouTube channel, just, it’s like, everybody, I’ve exposed this to go, Wow, I’ve never experienced anything like that before. You know, it’s, you know, it’s the same thing that you just said, you can actually know that something happened, you know that there’s a lucidity, there’s this consciousness, there’s this feeling that there’s something real here. And you can’t ignore it anymore. You don’t know what it is yet. But you know that you can’t ignore it anymore. And that’s, that’s the kind of thing please get springs.

Guy 51:18
Yeah, please get it out there. I’d love to try it. Yeah, that’s for sure. You know, um, what’s your intention for this book?

Doug 51:28
My book, actually, my book is to kind of like, set the vocabulary and the tone, that this is real. This is real science. Right? It’s not it’s not metaphysics. It’s proto physics. It’s real. And, and I believe my, my book represents sort of like a business plan that says, there’s somebody out there who believes in what I’m in these ideas, not just what I’m doing, but believes in these ideas, and is and believes that we can go in invest as much money as we’re doing an AI and quantum computing and space travel, and actually turn it from a nobody wants to touch it, because it’s a hot potato to this is the hottest new technology that we can do. I mean, so it’s essentially a business plan for an investor to come in, who has who has a balance between science, spirit and business. And if you and I talked about it in the book about what that means. So, so I believe there’s, there’s somebody who has $50 billion $50 million sitting around and doesn’t know what to do with it. And that they, you know, and every time I think about that people go, you know, Doug, I believe you. You know, I don’t know when it’s gonna happen, or how it’s gonna happen. But I, and it might be 20 years from now, but, but I think it’s,

Guy 52:50
they might be listening to this right now. That’s amazing. That’s amazing. I have no doubt you’ll achieve it. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Doug 53:00
I think it’s good. Yeah, it’s sort of like, my life path is leading to that. And so far, that’s, that’s the clearest direction without setting any particulars about it about, let’s make it happen. So

Guy 53:12
yeah. Last question for you, Doug. And that is, with everything we’ve covered today. Is there anything you’d like to leave the listeners to ponder on? Yeah.

Doug 53:30
I think your your approach, which is helping people to experience this stuff, with meditation, and all of these people should figure out how to get in touch with us and in their own personal meditation, through lucid dreaming, through healing through whatever and, and realize that turn off the talk radio, negative talk ratio, figure out law of attraction is real. And that we’re spiritual beings. And, and, and that we’re spiritual beings that are represent real intelligence with meaning, and intent and attention and infinite intelligence and infinite emotional intelligence to law of attraction is about emotional intelligence. Right? So amplify, imagine if there was joy and love. That was 100 times more than you’ve ever experienced before. And people who have near death experiences say that’s what’s out there. And they can’t even talk. It’s it’s, it’s so beyond what we can experience. Yet people tend to focus on being 10 times angrier than they ever were before. So try to figure out how to get 10 times happier and loving, and that you’ve ever been before and figure out how to get into that state and stay in that state. Because if you’re in that state, your emotional state is the dominant thing that attracts the law of attraction. It’s the it’s the fuel It dries law of attraction and you will attract whatever your intention is, if you use the positive emotion for that, so that’s my tool. And I talk about that a lot in the book too. So

Guy 55:12
yeah, beautiful.

Doug 55:14
Is your book on Audible energy isn’t yet. Yeah. So it’s um, but it is available on Amazon and so they’ll ship it anywhere in the world practically. So, okay,

Guy 55:25
yeah, no, I will grab a copy. I’m, Doug. Look, I just want to say thank you, man. You’re a bloody legend. And a thank you everything you should. Everything you shared today was was phenomenal. And I’m so happy we connected and thank him on the show. Honestly, it’s just been one word, because you know, this, this is the same message. So 100%. And, yeah, it was just just a great conversation. I have no doubt we’ll, it’ll happen again. Yeah. So Doug, thank you for everything you’re doing.

Doug 55:56
Yeah. Thanks again. Yeah, I’m looking forward to having these more conversation. If I if I was retired, I would do this kind of conversation all the time. Even it was one on one with everybody in the world. So this is my talk about.

Guy 56:11
Yeah, it was amazing. Thank you so much. I agree. Take care. There we go.