#262 In this episode, Guy and Kelly talked about the significance of self-healing for parents, acknowledging that not everyone has the same resources or opportunities to prioritize self-care. While Kelly has the privilege of having a nanny and other forms of help that allow her to create time for self-care and meditation, she recognizes that people in survival mode and poverty may not have the same opportunities and may be doing the best they can. Nevertheless, she believes that prioritizing self-healing and self-care is crucial for all parents, regardless of their resources, as it can have a positive impact on both the parent and their children. She also acknowledges that being a parent can highlight personal areas for growth and healing, and encourages parents to do the necessary emotional and mental housekeeping to ensure that they are not passing on their unconscious habits and beliefs to their children.

Furthermore, Kelly discussed the importance of playfulness and imagination in clarifying and vocalizing personal desires and goals. She suggests that using our imagination can help us get clear on what we want and share it with the people we love who will support our vision. She also recommends vocalizing or writing down our desires to get even clearer. However, she acknowledges that negative beliefs and limiting beliefs can often block us from thinking that we can have what we desire. She suggest identifying these beliefs and overcoming them to move forward towards our goals.

If you enjoyed this podcast, you may also like: Kelly N Gores: HEAL. Why I Made This Documentary

          

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About Kelly: Kelly Noonan Gores is the writer, director, and producer of HEAL, a documentary feature about the mind-body connection and our body’s innate ability to heal. She also authored the follow up book HEAL and is host of The HEAL Podcast. A Los Angeles native, she grew up in front of the camera acting on and off in commercials, TV, and film from the age of 7. In 2012 she started Elevative Entertainment with the intention to create conscious media that informs, inspires, and empowers. She has a passion for psychology, wellness, and spirituality and an insatiable appetite for understanding consciousness.

Her intention with the HEAL platform is to empower people with knowledge about the incredible intelligence and healing ability of the human body, and inspire people to expand their belief about what’s possible. Kelly is a seeker, a meditator, and an investor, and enjoys traveling, sports, reading, writing and the ocean.

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Key Points Discussed: 

• (00:00) – Ayahuasca, Spiritual Awakenings & the ‘Heal’-ing Journey
• (02:43) – Recovering Catholic’s spiritual journey.
• (05:20) – Spiritual awakening through literature.
• (09:54) – Plant-based medicines.
• (12:55) – Plant medicine experiences.
• (17:20) – Ayahuasca as a Master Teacher.
• (20:15) – Healing from all types of cancer.
• (24:13) – Spiritual practices during illness.
• (28:38) – Believing in something bigger.
• (32:48) – Postpartum promotion and burnout.
• (37:57) – Social media and self-care.
• (43:58) – Group consciousness in transformation.
• (47:54) – Unconscious parenting.
• (49:02) – Conscious parenting and self-care.
• (53:45) – Manifesting through imagination.
• (56:53) – Taking a sabbatical.

How to Contact Kelly Noonan Gores:
www.healdocumentary.com
www.instagram.com/kellygores

 

About me:
My Instagram:

www.instagram.com/guyhlawrence/?hl=en

 

My website:

www.guylawrence.com.au
www.liveinflow.co

 

TRANSCRIPT

Guy (00:00):
Hey Guy here. Today I welcome back to the podcast the beautiful Kelly Noonan goes and she if you’re unfamiliar with her work she is the fact she created the documentary Heel which had a lot of success back in when it came out in 2018 and still does to this day. Today though I don’t dive so much into how she made the documentary and that if you want to listen to that you can go back to the first episode I did with Kelly quite a number of years ago now but today we dive into a more personal journey her spiritual beliefs and her experience with ayahuasca as well which I was very keen to dive into and what the pros and cons are doing something like that as well and how that’s impacted her as well and of course we touch on heel and what the definition of heel truly means. This was a great conversation I love my time with Kelly today and I have no doubt you’ll get a lot out of it too. We also touch on parenting which of course we’re both parents of young children. Anyway if you enjoy the show of course please let me know in the comments below if you’re watching this in YouTube or share this with a loved one a friend on iTunes, Spotify any way to continue to support the show and get out there is always deeply appreciated as I feel this information is critical in today’s day and age and of course if you want to learn more about living flow and what we’re up to all the links are below and you can even start without free meditations from there. Let’s go over to Kelly this is a beautiful conversation enjoy. Kelly welcome back to the podcast. Thank you for having me it’s so great to see you again. Yeah like we’re just speaking off air I’ve been it’s peculiar of social media isn’t it and podcasts and audio because you really feel like you get to know people and yet you’ve already spent minimal time with them and I know I get that from this end in Australia too so yeah I’ve been listening to you from afar and watching you for a long time and feel like I get to know you and just wanted to reach out and get you back on to explore a little bit deeper on your own journey because I feel there’s so much to share. Yeah I’m curious to know Kelly on your journey because obviously you’re out there you’re vocal you speak a lot about wellness in general and the things that you learn and there’s definitely a fire and a passion that’s driving that and have you always been that way have you always had spiritual practices or a spiritual backbone to your life or is it something that kind of evolved were you raised that way?

Kelly (02:37):
No I was raised I’m a recovering Catholic both sides both parents are Catholic and my grandparents were you know big churchgoers and my brother was an altar boy so but I always had this sense like growing up I was like I’m so into the parables and Jesus’s history and story as a as a man and his abilities to lead and do things but then there was just something that didn’t resonate about the whole fear tradition there’s just something that didn’t resonate so when I was about to get confirmed which I think you do around 13 14 maybe 12 12 I asked my parents I was like I kind of feel like if I’m gonna you know promise my life over to Christ like I should explore other religions to like make sure that I’m picking the right one you know so I didn’t end up getting confirmed it was probably just honestly like a teenage thing to get out of something I had to do but I like to think I was very enlightened back then but I was interested in like theology and and I had this sense that all religions were basically like fundamentally the same from the little I knew and they were just dressed in different cultural clothing so interestingly enough after that I was kind of like I don’t really believe in God I was questioning the the existence of God or any sort of power beyond ourselves in high school I felt it was very cause and effect existence and then I went to Berkeley my first two years of university and I think I experienced like depression for the first time and which but I didn’t know I mean there was no label back then for what I was feeling I was just like kind of angry and angsty and oh you know and and I thought it was just a weather thing because it’s really gloomy up in northern California and the East Bay and I’m from sunny southern California but really what I learned in hindsight is that it was because I didn’t have a belief of faith a belief in something or an awareness of something bigger than me I felt very small and disconnected and meaningless you know and and during that time I transferred schools and had some time off and actually traveled with my brother to Australia and this lifeguard from Manly Beach gave me the book Return to Love by Marianne Williamson when I was 19 years old and I read it on the way home on the plane ride home and I was like oh my gosh this is God to me it resonated so deeply that we can create heaven on earth if we come from love and that’s what God is that’s what source energy is but most of us have this you know muddy perception and we come from fear so that’s kind of what started me on my my real spiritual path.

Guy (05:39):
Fascinating that the lifeguard from Manly of all people give you that book. Oh no I thought it was a nice little Aussie anecdote there. Yeah totally I hear you I feel you because I was in the same boat for my entire 20s though it wasn’t until I hit my 30s where things started to light up for me you know and really start to question the bigger picture from that from that experience and reading that book then what I’m fascinated to know is when because we lead it when we read a text or a book or have start to have experiences we tend to intellectualize them all at first that’s what I found it wasn’t an embodied true faith connection experience. Totally. When did that start to occur for you then or what were the breadcrumbs that allowed you to really continue to leaning to have deeper experiences with that and I guess nurture the beliefs that we kind of live with now?

Kelly (06:39):
Yeah I think you know like anything it’s peaks and valleys so I that book kind of like opened me up and then you know college life got in the way and I was acting I was an actor and it’s a it’s a real struggle when you’re blonde hair blue-eyed and you’re like one of five million that are like you competing for a job and but I’d acted my whole life and it was something that I felt you know there was a lot of growth in it but I felt that I wanted it at the time to be a career in acting and then I dated this guy that was like a quintessential bad boy with tattoos and long hair Harley Davidson riding you know drug user drug seller like the whole every my mom’s worst nightmare and so through but but he was very spiritual like he had like the upon a shots in the back of his toilet and dancing wooly masters so I was like oh this guy’s so connected you know so interested so I but I didn’t really like have a practice or anything it was just like surviving in this like you know your mid-20s you’re just like surviving and and after I broke up with him I came back to LA and I started going to agape which is Michael Beckwith’s spiritual center and it was the first kind of you know church group they call it a trans denominational church group because it just it touches it reads scripture from every religion if you look around it’s just like this beautiful rainbow of culture it’s like a microcosm of the globe and the energy in the space and what you know the field that Michael created with his with his word with his teaching with his channeling was what just like totally felt like home like truth and love and expansion and and high vibration like you left just like high you know on the good stuff and so I started meditating around that time and that’s when so I was probably like 28 a real practice and a real embodiment started.

Guy (08:57):
Wow I had no idea you went to agape because my business partner Matt who I run the retreats and workshops with over here he studied under Michael back in 2003 yeah he’s American and I’ve had Michael on the podcast and he’s yeah what a beautiful so what an experience I would love to go to agape and experience that that’s incredible yeah no wonder yeah I certainly didn’t get that in Wales growing up that’s for sure so once you start leaning into that I’m curious as well because I know you’ve lent into correct me if I’m wrong plant-based medicines as well in time which was something that opened me up completely and did all this come before when you created the documentary Heal or did this come afterwards what happened?

Kelly (09:46):
Yeah with like the plant-based medicine yeah yeah I’m fascinated yeah yeah it was after um it was yeah I didn’t have any Heal was such a calling and it was like I’d go to the agape bookstore and I’d pick up a book by Bruce Lipton and you know you’re just reading and learning and I would I would be you know training for marathons and I’d be running for you know two hours at a time and listening to Abraham Hicks or driving to auditions in an hour of traffic and listening to Wayne Dyer or Eckhart Tolle and just like infiltrating you know consuming that content in my brain and just which it just you know helped me navigate a career of constant rejection and LA stresses of the high-paced life you know fast-paced life so um I felt this calling to do Heal and then as I was doing it you know you just meet different people and then my I had a facialist who had kind of apprenticed for this shaman and had done like ayahuasca like like 200 ceremonies over the last five years and I was like wow that’s crazy and so I was intrigued but I wasn’t ready until like a year later maybe a year and a half later and then once I like decide to do something I’m kind of that Aries that just like leaps and jumps like I’m I’ll try anything you know apart from something that’s like really dark um so I did ayahuasca I did it in the absolute wrong set and setting I did it in a first floor condo in in Century City like with a people a group of people I did not know there was no there was no instruction or kind of um guide plan for the ceremony laid out ahead of time which I think is really important um and there was no kind of interaction with the shaman beforehand so I didn’t know I was just going on the trust of my other friend um and I was just like whoa this is it was super aggressive it was like a full battle with myself and I got I got two really massive insights out of it but it was like it was like a it was like a war for you know six hours of myself and um I woke up you know I got out of the ceremony I was like that is not my medicine um and then interestingly enough as the universe would have it and I didn’t judge it I was just like you know that I think just for different people and different souls who are different sensitivity levels you know it they require um and resonate with different medicines and I still believe that so I was like okay that’s a bit aggressive like not my not my jam and then uh because of heel heel came out and and and Michael is part of this uh center called Riznia in Costa Rica and so they invite and I knew the girlfriend the wife at the time of the founder and so they invited me down there to speak and they’re like come down hang out for a week so I was looking at the calendar and I didn’t know that all they offered was plant journeys like it was four days of ayahuasca which again like one day was too aggressive for me so like four like forget it so um I looked at the calendar and I and I saw a week that combined breath work and ayahuasca I was like great I’ll just do breath work because that’s some of the most transformative work I’ve ever done really it’s my own instrument and um I’ll go down they’ll show heel I brought my best friend who’s never done a drug in her life you know apart from like smoking weed once in high school and um so she was like very clear like there’s no way in hell I’m doing ayahuasca you know and I was like don’t worry like me either I’m good so we go down there we do breath work on the first night and my best friend has this like transcendent experience I mean she has visions she sees stuff she was she like left like we went back to the hotel room and um she was just like mind blown and then she’s like I don’t know maybe we should do the ayahuasca and I was like who are you I’ve known this girl since we were 10 years old we’re best friends she’s my sister and it was the like I would I would have bet a million dollars those words would never come out of her life or her mouth so anyways long story short we um go to the informational meeting they totally lay out this road map what the journey is going to be like what the week is going to be like and and we both felt I just felt so much more comfortable and I was like look if my best friend who’s never done anything like this um is willing to try then I need to be there to kind of shepherd her and make sure she’s fine because I know that it could be intense so I talked to Michael Beckwith’s assistant who’s very gentle um and and she’s a yoga teacher and I said have you you know you’ve been to arrhythmia have you done the like that’s like intense she’s like it took me 13 times teaching yoga down there before I decided to do the plant medicine and she said just set an intention for a gentle experience and you know and we’ll check on you you’re gonna be fine so I was like oh yeah I forgot you can set your intention and really like frame your experience so I set that intention it was it was so profound um I got what I needed in one day which they were like there was these three steps you go through um and I I went through all of them in the one ceremony so then after that we kind of went off and did our own thing but it was like I understood why the first ceremony was the way it was like it was just so profound and um and yeah and I actually was I learned later I came home and like two weeks later found out I was pregnant so I had conceived my child like two days prior to going to Costa Rica so I was like is that good for the baby but I guess it’s pretty you know it’s like a sacred thing in in native cultures um totally on a journey like that pregnant so it was it was really magical and then you know I’ve gone on to do a few more things but um yeah.

Guy (16:07):
Wow well a I can I feel you when you say leaning into that second time the courage to to do that is is I think immense because when I did it I’ve only done it once and I actually my whole body thought it was going to die I was that terrified before I went drink the medicine because I’d had a bad experience when I was a kid I was eating mushrooms and I didn’t even know what I was doing and spent as a 13 year old tripping my balls off not wondering what the hell was going on so I kind of never touched anything ever since and that was my reinitiation back into it and so so I hear you you know the to lean into that how what was the lessons you’ve learned from that then how would you describe it when people ask you what was your experience like what do you do like how do you find words did you have um a transcendental experience or was it just an inner kind of inward exploration?

Kelly (17:12):
Yeah mine was very inward um the three the the road map that they lay out is like there’s going to be three things that you find out you know have a conversation with mother ayahuasca and what I truly believe um is that the the medicine gives you what you need right and I also have talked to like I have this you know amazing group of healers I work with just different and and there’s a few women who like can’t work with people that have done a lot of plant medicine because it opens it’s like a sacred thing and if you do it too much almost in an addictive way um which can happen because you learn so many profound insights about yourself you want more but what I found and what I’ve learned from these kind of master healers that literally like turn people down because they’re just like they’re just they’ve opened too many portals like I can’t work with that energy um anymore so I just I’m very respectful of the medicine I have learned how deeply wise ayahuasca I think is a master teacher plant um iboga which I have not done but I’m just involved in the documentary because it’s got tremendous transformative healing powers for opioid addiction um and PTSD and in servicemen and women um so I just the the wisdom of nature in these plants and what have been practiced I mean the plants really do give you what you need and what you can handle um so that to me is so fascinating but to be respected you know um and not to be abused because like anything else there’s just personalities that want more and more and more and it’s like you really I mean it may take a year to integrate one session it may take a month you know everybody’s different and and I’m not judging anyone who does many many things but it’s just definitely to be respected and it but I am in awe of the wisdom that these plants can um give someone and healing.

Guy (19:08):
Yeah I couldn’t agree more I couldn’t agree more so looking back then through these experiences when you um leaned in to make the documentary heal was it was it inspired by Kelly Turner’s book is it my it kind of?

Kelly (19:30):
Yeah so radical remission I’m like just a massive fan of possibilities so all these teachers that I was reading um Abraham Hicks and Bruce Lipton you know who when I read the biology of belief um and we I learned that we’re not victims of our genes but epigenetics you know our our beliefs and our lifestyle choices actually turn on and off genes like switches so that our our genes are just a blueprint um we have so much more power over our life and our you know experience and expression than we’ve kind of been taught or led to believe so um that was one of the books Kelly Turner’s book for sure radical remission because you know she did actual scientific research on all different types and stages of cancer and and people healed from every one and I was like that’s possibility you know and if it’s possible for one it’s possible for all in in you know just in reality and then of course there’s um karma and destiny and you know souls contracts and all these things that play play a role but um and then the final kind of straw as I was like just marinating and like feeling called to do this film was reading Anita Morjani’s book Dying to be Me of course yeah because she to me is the ultimate poster child of what’s possible because her physical body was so far gone that not a human on the planet would think that she’d be able to recover and you know with the change in consciousness from a near-death experience she healed within three weeks.

Guy (21:02):
Yeah and she’s a beautiful soul she’s so sweet she’s so sweet yeah so when the documentary come out to where we are now in 2023 when did it come out 2017 yeah 2017 December so really 2018 okay so you know there’s been a good five years under the bridge five and a half years do you feel humanity is changing on a whole and this work is getting more accepted or do you do you think there’s there’s a shift in consciousness that’s making more people hungry?

Kelly (21:33):
Totally it’s wild to me um you know I’d been thinking about doing it eight years you know prior then when it came out I was like oh this is perfect timing you know we were too early back then now now that’s perfect timing and then it turned out like and then Netflix released it a year later after so it’s kind of just on Apple and VOD for the first year and it was like doing amazing and all over the world you know but it was to the audience that was already ripe for the stuff then it hit Netflix and it kind of got a little broader to people that were kind of interested but not really familiar with all these teachers and then COVID hit and then it became you know people were just passing it around like this will help you you know with dealing with your fear and anything else that you’re dealing with physically and mentally um so for sure there’s a shift in consciousness I think you know the mental health aspect right now is I think mental health is just on a downward spiral so any tools that are empowering for people is what we need right now so.

Guy (22:32):
What what what do you I heard Gabor Mate speak um recently and he spoke about you know and I feel it’s obvious that we kind of separate the physical in the medical system to the the emotional the mental and the spiritual is kind of like and we just fixate on the mechanical aspects of symptoms that arise but could have been um when it turns up on pathology it could have spent 30 years brewing for it to be actually seen and then we just address that right right but when we’re leaning into this work the first time and you must have people coming up to you all the time asking questions and talking about this but it when you look at the and I hate the word alternative um but when you look at the industry in general there are so many modalities there are so many things we can lean into it can be overwhelming and confusing and what have you learned that I think that would help people listening to this that we should kind of focus on because obviously we’re all individual souls we all have different diagnosis but how do we create a roadmap for ourselves if you like to get back to which bits do we focus on is it the spiritual is it the physical is it the emotional is it the mental or how do we do all like it’s it quickly feels like I want the ground to open up and swallow me because I don’t know.

Kelly (24:13):
Yeah it’s so overwhelming and then of course if you get a diagnosis then you’re just in fight or flight you know you’re in panic and so your aperture just closes and you can’t you know all of a sudden you’re blocking out potentials and information and people helping because when you’re in panic just everything just kind of narrows so I mean to me it off always comes back to spiritual like we are spiritual beings having a human experience I fully believe that and so any practice that can you know cut out the outside noise and reconnect us with ourself and that’s you know meditation prayer being silent in nature and just you know we’re so overstimulated with social media and you know 24-hour news cycle which is all negative that we’re not giving ourselves space for inspiration for truth for divine wisdom for guidance and I believe that when we you know first step is to just like cancer you know does not develop overnight and I see cancer like sprouting up you always have time you know and the like you said western medicine tends to pour gasoline on your fear because they’re like we got to do this now because it’s it’s got to spread and you got to go into chemo and radiation on monday and it’s friday you know so I always kind of encourage people to just like take some time to get still and and be quiet and grieve you know if that’s if it’s like a diagnosis like that um and move the energy move the emotions and and create space go on a walk go in nature go jump in the ocean go in the mountains and just quiet all the noise sit with yourself feel all the feelings and that is going to create space where then wisdom can come whether an inner voice or whether it’s a miraculous encounter with the right healer or the person that is like you know but if we’re overstimulated if we’re in this fear loop and if we’re surrounded by people that are just pouring gasoline on our fear we’re not going to be open to that guidance but I trust ultimately that guidance is always there we just have to get still quiet and create space in order to welcome it in.

Guy (26:36):
Yeah and then you’re sparking more questions like because then how do we then develop that trust to that guidance to know that we are spiritual light beings in a human experience because on my journey I kind of was leaning in but I just felt frustrated it wasn’t making sense even after my ayahuasca journey I had an experience but it’s like was that the medicine was that oh was that real does it you know it was so profound and then I had a Kundalini awakening in 2015 which really went oh just from meditation and that’s what really tipped the scales for me because I had an embodied experience I was like ah that’s what all the books mean that’s what everyone is saying now I get it yeah exactly I found myself fortunate to have that but if we don’t it’s like we’re flying blind.

Kelly (27:39):
I know that’s the like Anita Morjani had a near-death experience so how do we tap how do we access that shift in consciousness without you know almost dying dying dying so I agree and I think it’s just really being yeah I mean it’s it’s faith right it’s I can only speak to people that have faith in some sort of experience or touch with something you know bigger than us and you know like Anita and many others that that have had near-death experience they all describe this going to this place out of their physical body where they just feel connected to everything there’s a kind of an all-knowing awareness there’s a peace that passes human understanding and a love that is so warm and indescribable and like big that there’s not even a word to describe it and so when I hear those stories and when so many stories line up it’s just like it resonates with me so I believe it you know so I think it’s important to a have your practice and b just constantly consume content that resonates with you you know and it you know it might be about aliens or the Pleiades or Atlantis you know whatever it is for you if it resonates and gives you something bigger to believe in you know again I just feel like you set yourself up to be on a frequency that’s going to bring you the answers to what you need you know and it’s trial and error but it’s it’s also it’s a it’s a path it’s a growth it’s a journey it’s an unfoldment like you you know you were like frustrated and I just I believe that that’s all part of it you know it’s not yeah yeah I’m constantly questioning like you know is what’s the is the you know we’re all searching for this like happiness we just want we don’t want to be challenged we want everything to come easy but like honestly if everything was easy we would be miserable too you know what I mean so it’s just really being becoming okay with what is and knowing that the challenges and the triggers and these people that you just like wish would be removed from your life they’re actually the friction that you need to polish the stone that’s going to be your greatest  yeah thousand percent in our resistance it’s in our resistance of all of those things where we get in trouble we suffer unfoldment you know.

Guy (30:11):
Totally totally yeah no I hear you so with the leaning into your practices and and what what you do with the with the movie coming out in 2017 to Kelly of 2023 and we’re always changing and evolving how much would you change anything the way you did heal at the time to to like if you redid it now or how much of your beliefs continue to change from that time if that makes sense?

Kelly (30:52):
Yeah um I mean there’s always I wouldn’t change anything as I’m kind of like one of those people that like doesn’t look back and like I almost don’t want to look back because I will find things to nitpick and regret you know um so but I mean just the feedback that I get it’s like it was perfect for what it needed to be you know thousand percent yeah and uh of course there were so many things I could improve but it was where I was at the time and I you know I feel like um it was exactly what it should have been so a lot of people asked me you know are you going to do a heal too and that to me feels overwhelming because a I’ve met so many people in this world like I wouldn’t even know where to begin and who to put in it you know um but yeah and then I’ve I it’s interesting I feel like so right after heal the the dvd publisher who also did the secret they said wow you know this film is really reminding us of how well it was you know the secret was received and you know right after it came out we told ron to burn to write the book and she wrote it in like six weeks or something and so they told me to start writing the book and it was like it was like six weeks it took me like months and months and months um and so at like a you know six months later I was going to take September off and finish the book um and then I got pregnant in the beginning of September and I was nauseous like sick for three months and so the book kind of got delayed all of that to say I struggled to finish the book because you know all of my creative juices were in the uterus but I was really just curating experts you know knowledge and wisdom so it wasn’t that hard and um released the book then I did promotion for the I was like okay I’m going to do promotion for the book with a newborn um for two months and then I’m just going to take I’m fried like the creative outfit for the film the book and the baby I was just taxed and then so I I did promotion through January of 2020 and then COVID hit and I was like wow it really manifested this whole you know pause thing um and then of course because of the nature of the pandemic I felt like you know he’ll needed to get in the conversation and help share wisdom and abate fear and um reboost our our confidence in our immune systems and etc etc so then I started the podcast so all of that to say I kind of took last year off because I was a true burnout and then in January of this year I was like whoo I kind of woke up to and in 2022 even though I took it off was kind of one of the most intense stressful toxic years of my life just peripherally with stuff going on um and so January of this year the last five months I’ve just been on this insane lane putting me first self-care express lane of healing and it feels like I’m finally getting my energy creativity inspiration back you know but it’s it’s a lot

Guy (33:57):
Yeah wow yeah I remember I remember I can’t remember who it was I was I was chatting to on a podcast um but he said yeah you’re got to be careful all this wellness is making me sick and it really stuck yeah really stood out to me at the time it’s like wow burnout what are the lessons you have learned then and how do you manage that moving forward because it’s challenging like I’m finding that a delicate I have a daughter you know three years old she’s about to be three um we are running workshops almost once a fortnight at the moment just to give you an example we were in a little country town called Theroux and we had to put sold out in it two weeks prior because we didn’t have enough space like we had nearly 100 people turn up great in one event so wow like it’s hungry and and you get excited because you really have a message to share to help people find their own wisdom within themselves but it’s it’s hard work.

Kelly (35:06):
It’s hard work and I think that you know and your intention is so pure I think there’s a lot of um I mean I can tell your intention and heart are pure so it’s just about just staying in tune with your body and knowing when you’re and trusting again having faith that if you if you take two months off or three months off of workshops that a you’ll be fine you know abundance and finance wise and b because you’re when I just feel like when you’re when you make take steps and have the intention of taking care of yourself and being aware of when you’re getting burnt out and having that awareness like I want to serve I’m here to serve but I’m not serving I’m not my best and they deserve my best so it’s it’s and it takes time and it takes practice and I’m I’m preaching here but I’m not perfect at it by any means but it’s that like it’s that dance of really really in being intimately connected to yourself and being aware of like when fear is hooking you and I’m like oh okay I’m exhausted but I have to show up to this event right I’m exhausted but you know and just learning that balance and that flow that you know which is the name of your podcast live and flow um to to have that dance of like taking care of yourself in such a way that you can show up and take care of others in a in a bigger way but maybe less often and right now I’m learning like I’m going through all of these intense healing things and I’m unfolding I know that I’m like stepping into the next version of myself and I’m excited about it and a part of me wants to share everything on Instagram but when I think about it it’s like it doesn’t feel right like you don’t I don’t have to I there’s things that need to integrate there’s things that need to be private and you know maybe I’ll share about it later maybe I won’t but um just really like honoring if I’m not feeling like not forcing you know having to do anything because I think that’s what people should do or I think that oh my god this is such great content I’m going to share it so that I get another 10,000 followers or whatever motivates people um I’m really just like all of that extra energy I need so I’m I’m I’m learning to flow and I’m learning not to if there’s any resistance or if there’s any like feeling behind it I’m just like let it go I want I’d rather be present with my daughter and I’d rather really um take care of myself so that’s kind of in the mode I’m in right now which I haven’t been in for six seven years it feels really good

Guy (37:57):
No amazing yeah there’s so many bells and whistles and distractions isn’t it especially when it comes to having a business and social media and and I do wonder how much it all serves anyway and I’ve even found in my own life that it’s very tempting to lean into those things because you then get distracted of some of the things that are wanting to get your attention to actually sit with and be with and even in this game or the the spiritual context we can bypass and use spiritual to actually bypass the very things that we need to address or sit with and trust and lean into which is so common.

Kelly (38:32):
Yeah and that’s what I feel I feel like I woke up you know in January and I was like wow I am a master bypasser because I have been surviving and like dealing with all sorts of craziness for the last you know four years or whatever and um and I’ve grown of course and I’ve learned but what I haven’t allowed myself to do is really feel and sit long enough to and and and take care of myself so that the truth and the feelings and the grief and the whatever these emotions are that I’ve kind of I’m just really I’m a master at like kind of like you talk about Kundalini I was talking with a friend of mine who’s a healer and she’s like you just your heart is so closed and there’s like some heavy stuff and some trauma stuff that but I’ve become such a master that like the energy just goes up and kind of around it but like I want to I need to like feel and be and sit and slow down and stop doing so much so that I can crack open so that the energy can go straight up and then you know then you’re just in a whole nether kind of frequency and and power right now it’s just like so disjointed because it’s it’s bypassing it’s literally passing so I’m that’s what I’m exactly what I’m focusing on

Guy (40:00):
Yeah incredible and I’m just thinking of everyone listening what is what would your practices or space what does that look like today to allow self-care and nurture because I do find people don’t even know well how do I self-care and nurture what does that mean?

Kelly (40:13):
Yeah it’s weird I mean once I’m like in the work things just flow and the new opportunities come up and you know and then I quickly feel into it I’m like yes this is something I want to do and and I think for many years I didn’t allow myself to do that because I live you know my husband’s very busy and his life commanded a lot of my time and I would travel a lot for his work and I always I didn’t put myself first and then of course I have a child who’s a year older than your daughter and of course you’re putting the child first so I’ve just been second third fourth fifth in the world so it starts with me putting me first and knowing that carving out whatever time I can to read you know get resourced and refill my cup and do the things that inspire me which is like read a book you know for so long for the last few years like I haven’t had time to like even read new information you know it was like it was just like on a hamster wheel so just reading and being in nature and playing just playful art creativity like not not doing things to be productive like I really I lost that you know so that stuff just like you know it just fans your flames and and it feeds your energy so doing more things that feed me and and putting me first but I’m gonna go to Dr. Joe Dispenza’s advanced week long in June which you know we’ve been friends since I did the film and he’s always asking me to come and now I’m like okay I’m coming have you not done one yet I haven’t done one have you?

Guy (41:57):
Yeah yeah I actually spent a week with Joe in Costa Rica back in gosh 2017 I think it was oh cool yeah yeah yeah I’m excited yeah it’s it’s that’ll get things moving okay good any advice any advice keep doing what you’re doing for sure let go let go of expectations it’s a lot like when I when I when I kind of crossed paths with Joe he wasn’t as well known as he is now you know I think even before the documentary I think I explored his work back in all that time when I had the Kundalini awakening and I’d been leaning into sound sound was a big component for me to move energy it really was around about 2014 so to I mean there’s a lot of people there now that’s all I know like yeah it’s a big crowd

Kelly (43:00):
That’s why I avoided it yeah because I’m not a big crowd person but I also just feel like you know the field is one such that you know the transformation where two or more are gathered or in this case like 1200 are gathered the field can really facilitate like deeper work and I know his work has gotten a lot deeper so I’m excited to just have that time to myself.

Guy (43:21)
Yeah no I think it’s it’s powerful like we work in groups of 32 to 34 the three of us facilitators and we hold people for three or five nights and it’s incredible what group consciousness can do and then emerging the emerging themes that come out of when you’re held in a space together and people feel safe and they can lean in and surrender it’s quite it nothing beats it I think personally totally hence why I do it.

Kelly (43:50):
Yeah and that’s what we need right now right we need the collective to come together in a intentional way and then in a you know loving way you know just to find our those those groups of people to impact the field and yeah without a doubt are you optimistic like after everything we’ve all gone through the last three four years and I come out the other side I you know maybe it’s a fault of mine but I’m a total you know eternal optimist um I also believe that like you know breakdown before breakthrough I just feel like it’s uh Peter Crone my friend said the other day um the other day um a podcast like it’s like the birth canal you know it’s or the cocoon right it’s messy and there’s like goo and blood and and it’s painful and it’s suffocating and it’s claustrophobic but you know you’re in between worlds you’re pushing out some like a new um paradigm a manifestation and I feel like we’re in that dark disgusting uh period that’s like really challenging but that it’s that pressure to kind of alchemize um a new future you know or not and we all go away and we start over and hit the reset button and that’s that’s fine too you know um but yeah I am I I just I just have to be I kind of just sit back a lot of the times and just I’m like this is a bad movie like we’re watching a really bad movie.

Guy (45:23):
Yeah but what’s the alternative right what’s the alternative yeah I mean you get what you focus on and I’m a huge believer in that and the one thing I kind of lean into is is is just to put my energy into what what is going to support and help us move along because if we keep pushing against what’s there we’re just manifesting more of what’s there totally but it feels it but sometimes it can feel um if we’re not doing that it feels wrong right as you know you’re not doing anything about a kind of thing but.

Kelly (45:55):
I know Marian Williamson told me the other day um she said if you have a child under five you have a past to not be an activist because she said for so many years I had you know I was so focused on the external and fighting and resisting and like having that energy and I was a missing out on some of my you know children at their most beautiful age um a b but but also like my children are just being programmed with that so I think there’s that truth of like rather than and and of course like there’s going to be things that come up especially if it’s directing affecting directly affecting our children like we’re going to be mama and papa bear and we’re going to fight right um but in the general sense of things like I do ever since she said that I’m just like there’s so much to fight for you know um but for me I’m just like I’m just going to focus on being the healthiest most vibrant most centered most loving most forgiving just I’m focused on healing myself now because she’s four so I have another year of the get out of jail get out of activism free card um and and then you know and then you show up and just like you said with your groups it’s like rather than going out and fighting and that’s wonderful for people and that’s going to be a lot of people’s missions and there’s going to be times in our life that we do that um but you’re creating something you’re creating a field you’re creating a community you’re creating healing for people um and and like you know I really do believe like be the change you wish to see in the world so the more of us that are doing this kind of work on ourselves and facilitating for others you know high tide lifts all boats and things shift you know yeah under our necks.

Guy (47:47):
Beautiful I have to ask you one one question topic before we wrap things up and that is parenting unconscious parenting and what has being a parent taught you so far because boy it’s it’s yeah it’s beautiful but it’s like wow it highlights so many things within myself that I needed to work on.

Kelly (48:09):
I think yeah I think that’s what it is right I think when I was pregnant it was just this natural inclination to like oh I gotta clean up I gotta do some housekeeping of my emotional and mental affairs because I don’t want to pass these things down to my child so there was like some real rapid housekeeping and clean up there and healing and then as you know they become it’s just such a good mirror and reminder and like you know we can’t just we can’t get away with our normal bullshit you know we have to practice what we preach because our children are just little sponges right now and I’m going to do my best not to kind of pass on these unconscious habits and beliefs and um things that I got passed down to me you know and that I’m unpacking and at the same time not put pressure on myself to be perfect because regardless of if we’re the perfect conscious parents like that little soul your little daughter soul my little daughter soul came in with their own journey with their own lessons that they chose to learn in this lifetime and there’s going to be stuff to unpack whether you screw them up or not you know so you do your best and I’m just using her as a mirror to constantly check myself because we’re clever we’re intellectual we get away with shit you know and um I think that they don’t let us do that anymore and it’s it’s a really beautiful thing because um it’s just such a such a powerful mirror back to ourselves and what we need to still kind of heal and and address.

Guy (49:43):
Yeah it’s definitely a dance between being hard on yourself and being loving on yourself you know and like you say doing your best doing your best I always remember um Wayne Dyer speaking about like about your cup and filling your cup up first to ensure then if it was sitting on a saucer it would then overflow and then everyone that really matters around you couldn’t have enough to drink on and you’ve kind of lent into that already about your your self-healing how important you feel that is because as parents we always lose ourselves and put ourselves last yeah and it feels almost impossible to get back to actually putting putting ourselves first.

Kelly (50:40):
I know I feel a little not guilty but I feel like I’m it’s a little unfair for me to speak on this because I have resources I have a nanny I have so much help that I’m afforded the luxury and the privilege to have time to be able to create time to take care of myself and meditate and like people in survival mode and poverty like they don’t have that opportunity they’re just doing the best they can they’re working two jobs and so it’s like in theory it’s absolutely correct and I and I’m and I’m seeing it with me and I’m trusting and also like me taking care of myself and modeling that for my daughter like we have our morning routine and now she drinks lemon water in the morning because mama drinks lemon water in the morning and and so she she knows that I have my morning routine that sometimes I don’t always get to but I’d like to meditate and I’d like to journal and then I make her breakfast you know and it happens maybe three out of seven days a week but she’s learning that these things are important to mom and not only does she respect that and like want to support me but she’s I know that in the future she’s going to feel validated in the worth to to do what she needs to do in the morning or the afternoon whatever so all of that to say I think it’s so important and for people listening that are in survival mode it’s like you know maybe you’re starting out with 20 minutes but that’s why that’s why we need to get back to this village concept and community you know we we’re not meant to do this on our own you know we we need the village we need our community to help us with our kids so that we’re able to take care of ourselves and that’s kind of what’s happened we’re just society is isolating us more and more and that’s why people are sick and in survival mode so I would just encourage people that are are in survival mode and it’s like oh easy for you to say I don’t have time or the ability to fill my cup that’s when we lean in and ask for help with a family member a neighbor a community just give me I need 30 minutes of the day just to get silent or to take a nap or to refill my cup and lean into the village.

Guy (52:50):
Yeah beautiful it’s once we’ve set the intention to change I think things will slowly start to move in that direction but we’ve almost got to make up our mind and go okay enough some something has to give here and then and then the way appears but sadly we hold on to it for far too long after time don’t we yeah um last question to wrap up the podcast Kelly and that is um we’ve covered a lot of ground today but is there anything you’d love to leave the listeners to ponder on?

Kelly (53:41):
That’s a good one um this is just the first thing that came to my mind I think so often we um I’m a big manifestor I love playing with uh you know using our imagination like I think it you know I learned this from the secret and everybody has their opinions about the secret but one I practiced I took away from the secret was gratitude journaling and acting as if you already had what you were desiring so like writing a new journal I’m so happy and grateful now that I have the man of my dreams or two healthy babies or you know a promotion at my job whatever it is and you just write that and at first it feels silly but you’re just practicing and what you’re doing is as you starting to use your imagination and feeling the feelings of gratitude of the thing already being a reality that’s what kind of shifts your frequency and and it really works like it really works um and and then you just have to let it go and trust in divine timing it might take eight days it might take eight years but just do it because the worst case that happens is you’re flooding yourself with healthy life affirming chemicals every day you know gratitude and love and excitement and and joy um but all of that to say like last night I was at dinner with my girlfriends and I said let’s go around the table and be like if I could snap my fingers this is what I want you know we don’t ever fantasize as adults because we’re all caught up in the how um and so like if someone’s dealing with a relationship issue or you know all this fear around a breakup or if someone is stuck in a job that they hate it’s like if I could snap my fingers then I would be doing this for a living and I would have all my needs met if I could set my fingers I would you know consciously uncouple from my wife and um we’d be so much healthier but co-parenting our our son in the best way and be best friends and supportive and everything is amicable you know blah blah blah and and so I just I love that if I could snap my fingers and to like give yourself permission to fantasize because then you get clear on like what you really want and I believe that the universe is miraculous and when you when you are in that mindset of using your imagination like a child and Jesus said this you know enter the kingdom of heaven to the you know heart of a child or whatever that saying is um it’s like we need that playfulness we need that fantasy we need to use our imagination to get clear on what we want to you know share it with the people that you love that will support that vision and just just get clear just just even vocalizing or writing it down what you desire gets you clear and then you got start to see okay what is what are the beliefs the negative beliefs about myself the limiting beliefs that are blocking me from thinking that I can have that it’s totally possible we live in an in a world of infinite possibility so that’s all I say like play with that with your friends with your closest friends with your partner because why not like we all deserve it you deserve your if I could snap my fingers then.

Guy (56:53):
Beautiful what’s what’s next for you then you’re taking a sabbatical you’re you’re create space for yourself and what’s anything on the horizon or you’re just going to continue to be for a while.

Kelly (57:05):
Yeah I think um I think that’s what I’m trying to uncover you know I know that um and I’ve just been really called to to be creative you know whether it’s writing or writing songs and learning the guitar like I just really want to um I think that will be revealed you know maybe at the meditation retreat with Joe but just over the next few months as I’m like filling my cup I just I feel like what that new inspiration of what’s next will be revealed so we’ll see I’ll let you know yeah and the podcast I noticed you you still drop an episode here and there is that something you you think you’ll lean back into long term yeah I’m doing it like like I said like I’m I’m paying attention I don’t want to do anything that’s stressing me out so I do it kind of as I’m inspired um and then of course once you start doing them then there’s all these inbounds of like people wanting to do and then I don’t want to say no and so then I just have to be really careful but um and then also the whole thing about doing it on my own is I I didn’t ever feel right to do advertising like it just felt like an energy drain to vet the companies and do all the things so so I’m not doing it for money so I really have to do it when I’m inspired you know um but I also feel like I love having those conversations so so.

Guy (58:27):
It’s a beautiful thing like like just being able to sit here today and reconnect with you and have this conversation like I feel for me podcasting is such a privilege and and has fed my soul in so many ways and I know it reaches many people and people come to our workshops or retreats and and they listen and they tune in and it continues a dialogue because it’s not out there enough in my view you know.

Kelly (58:58):
Yeah totally it is a privilege and it’s been such a fun it’s been such an honor to be here today like what a great conversation we’ll have fun yeah and where if people want to follow you anywhere where can we send them if we link to something below yeah um I’m most active on Instagram we have a heel heel documentary page at heal documentary and then my personal is at Kelly Gores so you’ll see a lot of pictures of my daughter there I’m sure um Riley um and then and then anything about the film or the book you can go to heal documentary.com and then of course the heal podcast is on Spotify and iTunes .

Guy (59:34):
Yeah yeah well all the links will be below for everyone anyway wherever they’re checking this out and jump in Kelly thank you so much for coming back on the podcast it’s been a while yeah and um I just want to acknowledge you for all that you do and you’re just an authentic beautiful soul and you know you’ve you’ve affected me from afar over the years and given me inspiration to to lean in as well seeing what you do and have created out there so just um yeah thank you thank you thanks guy thanks for having me you’re welcome.