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Guy (00:00:00):
Hey guy here and welcome to my podcast with the awesome Christopher Dean. If you’re press and play, you are in for a retreat. And listening to this right now, I met Christopher at our five night retreat here in January, 2023 with Live and Flow. He came as a participant and over the five night, six days, I got to know Christopher. And were an incredible soul. And it just brings me joy that I have a platform to be able to bring people like Christopher onto the show. I just wanted to share all his life experiences with you, his wisdom, his spiritual quest, uh, I guess you could say that, and how he lives his life these days. There is so much to learn from this podcast, and I have no doubt you will get a lot out of it. Just one caveat, Christopher does use strong language towards the end.

Guy (00:00:48):
Uh, if strong language does offend you, maybe best not to listen to this episode, but I’d left her in there because it is all in context of the conversation. So just a heads up, just to let you know that of course. And if you wanna learn anything more about we are doing this, living flow, links are below. And of course, if you enjoy this conversation or you’ve got comment, please leave, uh, comments below. If you’re watching this via YouTube, hit the, like, hit the love heart, hit the subscribe. It all helps us get this message out there as I continue to drive this podcast forward. Much so for me. Enjoy this episode with Christopher. It’s awesome. Christopher, welcome to the podcast.

Christopher (00:01:39):
Thanks, Guy. Delighted to be here.

Guy (00:01:42):
I’m, I have to say, well, the first thing I wanna ask you is, is, and share with listeners as well, cuz I think there’s great wisdom, um, in the question I’m from the conversation today is that we met obviously at our retreat in January recently. Correct. And I’ve slowly been getting to know you since and, and your journey. And what was clear to me when you came into our retreat, Christopher, was that you’re, you’re somebody that embodies the work already. You, you live it, you’ve created a life on your terms. And it, it, it’s clear to see in, in, in not what you say, but how you are. Okay. And why, the question I want to ask you, cause I think it’ll be very valuable for people listening, is from somebody that is already on the day pass. Why did you come to our retreat at this stage in your life? Because

Christopher (00:02:42):
<laugh>,

Guy (00:02:43):
Does that make sense?

Christopher (00:02:44):
Yeah, it’s a good question. Um, look, and, and thank you for that observation. One is never complete in this journey. I know that infinitely, I say that infinitely. Um, but there has been a journey in my life that has been a, a delight. I feel I’ve had a blessed life and a great life. Um, and along the way I’ve picked up learnings and teachings. I did the path of love. I did a kashk course, I did a few self-reflective things, uh, uh, up at the golden Door up in, um, Corbin, self-development stuff. You know, you try to get yourself to somewhere. And that has been holding a space for me, or I’m holding my space in it for some time, which includes meditation. Meditation was a big part of this life. I’ll tell you about that as we go along. Cuz I did the most fantastic course called Alpha Dynamic that transformed my life and has made everything else work more easily.

Christopher (00:03:49):
And here I hit 72, right? And you start going at the seventies, very big numbers. Somehow I didn’t give a, I don’t give a damn about getting old. I love getting old. I love my age. It’s not as slight as worry to me, but when I hit 70, it sort of said, okay, you’ve crested the hill. There’s a kind of slide. A lot of people are dropping like flies around me, 75, you know, that’s about the average. Might make it 80, 85. Who knows? It’s 10 years at the most in my life. And it’s, it’s not a time to start building an empire or creating some fabulous new thing is my question. And the question I came to the retreat was, what, what’s a useful way for me to use these last 10 years? And I wanted to refresher course, um, to bring me back to, said I did not have a perfect life of harmony and bliss.

Christopher (00:04:47):
And like some yogi not at all. I, you know, I’m not, don’t pretend to be in that space. I’m, uh, I’m very active in, in loving my life. And, you know, busily trying to make things that will make money and do stuff and be creative and, and enjoy lots of dances and parties and friends, people. So I know Sin Yassen gone out and his last journey walking the road on his own. Um, so I came to your retreat thinking, what’s a useful thing for me? One of the things I’m trying to do with my wife is use up the inheritance for my kids. Because we, we had a windfall, got a nice pocket of money that gives my life comfortable and, and we are happily spending it in various ways on ourselves, philanthropically, gifting, where we can, uh, creating things that I think are valuable.

Christopher (00:05:38):
And I’d like to talk about that. What I got from your trip was wonderful. I gotta tell you, I’ve been to many and I really loved it. I’m not pissing in your pocket here. I I was pleasantly surprised how deep it took me. You brought me to another level of meditation that I’ve never touched before where my whole kini shook. And it’s been one of those things I’ve heard about and read about you. You opened that gate and, and I think we had a little anecdote where we went into the forest and I found a big old tree that had crashed in the forest. And it was, you know, instead of looking at all the life and all the things are energetically growing and the the beautiful bursting green sap of life, I saw this old big dead tree lying there full of mycelium, full of holes where little animals lived. Obviously feeding the earth opened up the sky to allow young things to grow. It was a clear metaphor for me. That’s what I need to become as I’m gonna be that old dead tree one day soon <laugh>. And you could still do a lot of good <laugh> in that role and, and not try to be the tourists tree in the forest. I’ve long, long past given up that aspiration.

Guy (00:06:55):
Yeah. Nobody’s getting out of this alive no matter how we look

Christopher (00:06:58):
At it. Exactly. Yeah,

Guy (00:06:59):
Exactly. Absolutely. And, and thank you for the kind words. It, it means a lot coming from you, Christopher. It really does. Yeah,

Christopher (00:07:05):
That’s a great cause.

Guy (00:07:06):
I’m curious to know what led you on looking, leaning into this work initially. I’ve, as you know, I know, and I know you listened to the podcast, I’ve had many, many different guests and many, many different experiences. And there’s normally a point, um, that makes people hungry and want to lean in as opposed to avoid the challenges and things that we have in our life. And it, it generally, at some stage in our life, where was it for you?

Christopher (00:07:36):
You know, I, i, reflecting on this thought, um, I, I could go back to when I was five years old. I can remember, you know, being dragged into a Catholic school environment, you know, and, and they were teaching us about eternity and hell and donation, and they got the whole Catholic, uh, full bottle. I was born in Africa. It was pretty wild there, the priest there. And, and I remember at five pondering these questions and thinking, what’s it all about? You know, the way past the meaning of life became an obsession at some point. And I did follow the Catholic ideas for a while until I finally came to the obvious adolescent conclusion at about 17. Any God that allows this shit to happen is not a bene benevolent God, you know, uh, with pedophiles and murder and war and shit, you know, some things mm-hmm.

Christopher (00:08:29):
<affirmative> fucked up in that, uh, uh, analysis of life. And I rejected Catholicism, but that left the big vacuum. I didn’t know where the meaning was. All I knew it was wasn’t the dogma that I’d been taught. So I was, you know, 18, 19, going off to uni, took a few good drugs, had my fun with, with a better acid, and then marijuana. And I got badly sick on red wine once and didn’t touch it again for 20 years. But, you know, I, I like the colored lights, but it was always, what’s this meaning? What’s a real meaning? Why are we, you know, why are we here? And there was a big hole in my life. It was a vacuum. Uh, here’s a quick anecdote. I don’t often say this out publicly, but, uh, at 20, I had just started an arts degree. I’d been science for two years.

Christopher (00:09:23):
I switched to arts. I’d done fine arts. I wanted to go down to Melbourne and see the brand new art gallery, the National Art Gallery. It was Easter weekend. We had four days off uni. I met a girl I knew for one week who was doing the course. We said, why don’t we hitch down to Melbourne together and go and have a look at this, you know, just a casual acquaintance. We hitchhiked for 24 hours. I had about $20 in my pocket. That was year student days, you know, we weren’t wealthy and we were gonna stay at a Y M C A or something. We hitched, hiked, we couldn’t get anything to eat the whole way down. Drove into Melbourne on Good Friday, symbolism of Catholics. Melbourne was dead. I’ve never seen a dead of town in my life as good Friday of Melbourne at that time.

Christopher (00:10:11):
Uh, remember, this is 50 years ago, nothing open. Not a seven 11, not a Y M C A, not a garage, nothing. Nothing. Could not buy a hamburger. Could not go and find a bed. Well walk around empty streets, nothing, no cars, everything shut, all black. I’m going, oh my God, you know what to do. She said, well, funny, I’ve got these two tabs. They’re called Hawaiian Sunshine. Apparently some of the purest acid that ever came out of, of Switzerland. It’s an eight way tab. Normally, you sit there and divide it up into eight little splinters and eight people would have a happy party trip. But what the hell? We’re here. We won’t be able to sleep. There’s nowhere to sleep. So let’s take one, each empty stomach fasting inner search, good Friday, took this monstrous tab of acid. I’m telling you, well, guy, about half an hour later, you know, I’m starting to lift off the vibration’s happening.

Christopher (00:11:07):
It’s, it’s hitting me like a rock. This was nothing like any party drugs that I’d ever had. And I went into this extraordinary space. I, you know, I was trembling and quivering. I basically threw all my clothes off. I was jumping around all over the streets, jumping on, you know, I did the crazy shit. And then at some point, as the full effect hit me, I knew I was gonna die. I was absolutely certain I was gonna die. This was it. It was goodbye. And I remember standing on a, on a little wall and spreading my arms. Bit of a Jesus complex. I felt like I was nailed on a cross. And I felt, you know, that scene in the mission where their guy is crucified and goes over backwards in the, in the waterfall. That was, I fell backwards into this void. And I knew that was goodbye.

Christopher (00:11:58):
I, I actually surrendered to a death. Wow. I’ve always been a bit embarrassed to say this near death experience because people get smashed up in cars and, and die on the operating table. And taking drugs isn’t usually the, the method. But I had a complete death experience and I felt like I fell into this void that went for, uh, a thousand miles. And I was just falling, falling, falling. And I had completely surrendered. And then this angelic creature, something picked me up, something got underneath me and said, come with me. I want to show you. And there I suddenly, and this was after completely accepting I was dead, now took me onto this extraordinary journey. I I liken it to traveling for 4,000 years around the universe being shown everything. And I suddenly got to see why there is evil in the world. What the balance of the yin yang is all about.

Christopher (00:12:57):
How we are all consciousness evolved. I’ve got the whole, whole thing in a download. And guy, I can only wish it on every person on the planet. I, I consider it the greatest gift of my life. I got this moment of just, um, being taken and shown. It all made sense in a very beautiful, uh, geometry of, of, you know, consciousness coming together in one huge thing. And I was just a thread in this thread of extraordinary being. So, uh, the end of that story was, I ended up in a hospital having been dragged in by the police with leather straps on my arms and strapped to a bed with Valium in my arm to bring me off the, you know, from the external world. It looked like I was having a horrific time. But it was by far the most profound thing that ever happened to me those years. This is 50 years ago. I had no one I could talk to about that one bad. No one, no one got what that was about. And thought, oh geez, a crazy fucking tripper. Now, excuse me, I swear now, I didn’t swear till I was 20 Catholic upbringing. Now I overcompensate, <laugh>, <laugh>.

Christopher (00:14:07):
So you can blip the bad if you’re worry. Um, I noticed you. Don’t worry. So, so that, that’s my blessing. I took that on. Wow. And I, what it led to was a complete fear. Uh, lack of fear about anything in the world. Anything. I mean, all the terrible things we read in the papers and all the bombs that go off, and the kids that have molested the whole nine yards. I, I have, and I can’t put it in words, it’s called ineffable. Have a realization of why, you know, Hitler existed to make us enjoy bliss. I mean, at some point you have compassion and love for all of those people who’ve done the most terrible things on the planet, because that is a realization that comes from this gift. I saw extraordinary journey. So a long time I couldn’t talk about that with anyone.

Christopher (00:14:58):
And it was locked, locked up in my head. And by the way, never took acid, said again for it. Was it, I’d been through the gate and I had had my gift and I was so grateful. Uh, some magical things happened as well. I take all day to tell you the whole story. But that took me along, um, to say, well, there is meaning in life. There is purpose. Uh, I’m here and I want to do some good. Uh, and I wanna find how to get connected to that journey in a more fulfilled way. So that was the turning point. Wow. There’ve been many others. Um,

Guy (00:15:35):
Can I, can I ask you a question on, on that while we’re still on that point? Because it, it’s in, in, you probably don’t know this, but it relates to, um, an experience I had with an ayahuasca ceremony where I was facing my own inner innermost fears because of taking mushrooms when I was a kid and not understanding and having this, didn’t know how to conceptualize what happened to me at 14 years old. Right? And then in, in my thirties, I lent into a shamanic journey with ayaka to really, in a ceremony, ceremony obviously, and, and to lean into whatever was coming up to me. And that, and that night I actually thought I was going to die. I didn’t. But, but that, that complete surrender was the first time I’d ever experienced that in my life. And I was relating to what you just said about, you know, 100% go, okay. You know, and, and then you, and then you finally let go.

Christopher (00:16:32):
Yes.

Guy (00:16:33):
What that moment do for you then moving forward? Because that’s a huge deal because I think un unconsciously, we kind of fear these, like, nobody talks about death and, and <laugh>, you know, and, and all these different things. Not generally. Like we kind of, we kind of, there’s like a one we like always removed, don’t we? One layer back until it’s in our face. Um, yeah. That, that moment of surrender

Christopher (00:17:07):
To me, it’s a gift. It’s a gift because, uh, from that day forward, there’s nothing to fear. And that’s, that holds people back too much, that holds people from doing things that they might otherwise take the chance on. Um, so yeah, I can relate to that. And by the way, I didn’t instantly become, oh, you know, a saint walking on water. I was still a crazy mixed up person and wondering what the hell to do with my life, and went through all sorts of turmoils and issues and stuff. But I did, it did start me looking, you know, more deeply. And every, it was about 20 years later when I finally started to hear stories of near death experiences for the first time. Cuz I tried telling people and got no responses and I was then able to go, oh my God, I’m not the only one.

Christopher (00:18:00):
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, ah, there’s a whole field. I started to hear these incredible tales. I started to read them and listen. And so that was very reassuring that I knew I wasn’t crazy. Now, one of the reasons I fell in love with you all podcasts is you talk to my heroes. Um, and I don’t pretend to be in the class of these people, but people like, uh, my dearest friend, actually Bruce Lipton, who I’m gonna see in two days time in Melbourne, I’m so happy to go down and join with him. Um, Jo dispenser, Lin Mc Tagt, um, these are the people that have, have always been my heroes. I call them, um, Neil Walsh. I, I think conversations with God was a turning point for me, uh, as an old Catholic. And then I read Nell Walsh’s View of Life, and I went Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Christopher (00:18:49):
All the way. Fantastic series of books. So I love him. And, and I think, um, finally I got to Michael Newton. And again, I think the very first podcast I heard of yours was the Australian guy. I can’t remember his name, but Peter Smith. Peter Smith, thanks. He was the man who held together Michael Newton’s work journey of the soul. And if I could summarize in a, in a sentence what I’m about, it’s to understand this journey of the soul because it’s way bigger than this physical stuff. Uh, that’s important. Our bodies are important, but they’re not the whole story. And so those heroes that you interview, heroes to me are about consciousness and the understanding of the exploration of, of the meaning of life and where we are and why we’re here and what it’s all about. It’s all, that’s the whole journey to me. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Christopher (00:19:44):
And, and it’s a joy to, to be part of it. Uh, and I don’t profess to know it or understand it all, but I do feel it took me a long, a few steps. Um, I, I started a business career and I, I enjoyed that I, this man, even though I don’t look like one now. And I ran a company called Thursday Plantation where it made tea tree oil. And, and it was a fabulous company. I loved it. I loved everything about growing it. We started an absolute abject poverty and living in the bush and an old tin wow. Recycle wooden shack in a swamp. I mean, I had no money at all. And, and just built this through the love of tea tree and what it could do for humanity. And got that going and it became a fantastic business. And in the end, 33 years later, uh, we were able to sell it for a nice, handsome sum.

Christopher (00:20:39):
And it, it was a business fulfillment in a way that set me up with a pocket of cash, uh, and a good feeling that I’d done something. And that led me to another journey with a company called Organic India. I became the chairman of this company company, founded on the most pure principles you can imagine. But that was floundering from a business sense. And I was able to bring the experience of that help the fantastic people in that company orientate themselves get going. And organic India went on to become a very successful company and 10 years there.

Guy (00:21:16):
And these are the things I find fascinating as somebody that’s, um, I guess kind of grown a company and, and then sold out and, and now really trying to align in my passion and grow a company at the same time and really bring something to the table that I feel will, will truly benefit people and, and humanity in general. And I’m fascinated by you, Chris, because of your experiences and your success with companies. How much did they support each other in terms of mo going in that trajectory? Because it’s so common. I see, especially that people come to our retreats in workspace, they’ve been just in a corporate ladder or they’ve, that’s been following the steps as as I guess as we perceive to see or do. And there comes a point where there’s, there’s a, there’s a much deeper inner pull and they don’t know how to work with it. But yet you’re somebody that kind of, like even just saying when you set up your tea tree, all you know, you had no money out in the jungle. You’re just, you kind of go with it.

Christopher (00:22:22):
Yeah. <laugh>. It’s true. Well, again, with nothing to fear, you don’t fear living in the jungle with no money and, you know, worrying how you’re gonna feed your kids next week. It’s just, I, I think you are doing it in your own way, going exactly the same as I did. You’re doing something you need to be sustainable, you need to make money, you need to make, you know, make it keep growing. I wanted to put a bottle of tea oil in everybody’s home. That was my mission. And I thought of ways to get that done and eventually got there. Uh, the, the thing that drove me is I was now doing a business that was doing good on the planet, was bringing something of value to other people. It was helping save the environment. We planted millions, millions of millions of teas. We brought this essential oil that was fantastic for people’s personal bodily needs, you know, medicine kit a bottle.

Christopher (00:23:18):
But way beyond that. And I remember you talking about this in your retreat. Um, it wasn’t just my business. I respected all the people that worked with me. My wife of course was a big partner and then a lot of other workers. We ended up with close to 300 employees and, and, uh, business around the world, contacts all over the place. Every one of them was important to me to make their life better by making their life better. I was making the total sum of humanity and, and consciousness better. So it wasn’t just, it was a very selfish motivation. I wanted to feel good by knowing they were feeling good. And so the business had to be sustainable. I worked that. It took me a long time cause these think profit was a dirty word. And then I came to the conclusion, actually profit done well allows you to continue to do what you need to do to make a good thing happen.

Christopher (00:24:11):
A good thing is a business people feel good about coming to that gives them money to buy their swimming pool and go on their holidays. That, that does good in terms of delivering something that doesn’t toxify the planet. You know, I’m not making napalm or God awful things that I could have been as a scientist. Um, so that, that need to do good. And, and that was tenfold true of the second company that I had a, a part of helping, which was organic India trying to help the farmers who were being poisoned by the Green Revolution with chemical poisons to become organic. Believe it or not, we had to go and teach Indians how to be organic farmers cuz they’d been so, uh, poisoned, no other word by the great big green farmer, uh, approach to drug, you know, drugging the earth to, to squeeze out every center of, of whatever you could get.

Christopher (00:25:08):
And so that was another goodness. And the, the company was run on incredible principles. The founders are, are just the most amazing people. And they said, our company is a vehicle of consciousness. And I think that just resonated so well with me. This is a company I can support to the max because everything they do, the way they treat the employees, the way they make money and share it and give people participation, uh, like in my, our company, we made all the employees available to device shares and to become part of the company. And our company grew and that those shares became very valuable and a lot of people did very well out of it. And to me that was the thrill wasn’t about how much could I make? Yeah, I wanna make a lot. And I did that and I, I did well, but making it on my own would’ve been a much, much less achievement than seeing so many other people benefit as well. And I think Guy, your business is a beautiful example of a vehicle of consciousness. Uh, and it deserves to be profitable and deserves to make money. But that’s not the motivation or the reason you do it. But it’s a necessary, necessary condition to allow your business to flourish, to become bigger. Cuz your business can reach everyone on the planet. And ultimately it’s got such fantastic opportunity there for changing people’s way of thinking in life. Yeah. As it did mine. Thank you. Yeah,

Guy (00:26:33):
<laugh>, you’re welcome. Thank you. Absolutely. I wanna talk to you a little bit about intuition as well and leaning into those aspects because clearly you live intuitively as well. And, and again, I think through modern Western society, we kind of remove ourselves from that aspect and we just keep going more logical ma more logical brain, and we get rooted into the analytics of everything, which is needed. But obviously coming up beyond that and trusting something far greater. And you seem, from what I can see on the outside, have navigated your life in such a way. Cuz even when we spoke off air the other day, you were make, you made certain big decisions, intuitively not through what was presented in front of you. Is that something that you practice and developed because of this kind of work that we talk about what we do with the retreats? Or is this something that’s innate in you or came from after your near death experience? I’m fascinated.

Christopher (00:27:36):
Yeah. It’s a very good question. I, it’s not innate of me. I think I’m a, I’m a cite when it comes to using intuition and, and believing it. I, I believed it, I wanted it to be true, but I wasn’t. I was very thick, I’ll tell you. And another blessed moment in my life was actually because my business was floundering. I hadn’t had bloody clue about business. That’s, I had six years of university academia, I didn’t know what a spreadsheet was, didn’t have a clue how to make a business work. And I was struggling with this idea. And every time I did my calculations, my business was going nowhere. And so I went along thinking I was gonna do a business course and I saw advertisement on tv. Uh, fix your business, fix it for relationships, fix everything in your life, come and do this alpha dynamic course.

Christopher (00:28:23):
And I honestly thought I was gonna be taught how to teach a spreadsheet cuz I’ve been told by a business advisor, you need to learn business. I went longer this course. It was a four day course. A again, the most mind-blowing thing I’ve, I’ve done almost in my life. It was up there, peak turning point. And this guy brought this teaching where you went into an alpha meditation and you can do it very quickly, but he said it’s very active, it’s creative visualization. Before the secret, before all that stuff became commonplace, the first time I’d ever heard anything like this, he said, we get into the Alpha State, then we get into a workshop of the mind. It used to be called that in, in America, the Workshop of the Mind. It’s now called the Silver Method, still going. And from this workshop, when you’re in this alpha state, you have a screen, it was also called screen of the mine, a big white screen.

Christopher (00:29:15):
And on this screen, you don’t project, you allow the universe to bring you images. And the most extraordinary thing is you predict the time in the future and you put on that screen, or you allow to come into the screen, you know, whatever day it is, the middle of, uh, March in, in 20, 33, 10 years from now, we’re going to, uh, what will be happening with my life? What’s the state of my business? What’s the perfect outcome for my journey? And you would, I would sit in this meditative state, which you can get into in five minutes. And I do a chakra thing from <inaudible>. That’s why that sits behind me. Uh, I love the, the whole chakra balance. And, and I would start to visualize where will I be living? How will my business be going? And images would flash up. And I, we were taught to trust that intuition.

Christopher (00:30:14):
And amazing how so much of what I saw, I I put it at 80% at least, came absolutely true. Very high. You know, you get a high distinction at uni for 80%. Um, everything was showing up with a, a huge amount of accuracy. Now, I, I couldn’t believe it. The, I’ll give you the anecdote at the course, day three for the scientifically minor, cause I was a scientist. That’s where I first study. And I love facts and data. There were 40 people in the class. You said, pair up with someone you’ve never met before. And, uh, I, during the break, I want you to write on a piece of paper, uh, something about someone you know that they couldn’t know who has had a me an illness, a physical illness of some sort. And I want you to write the details about that. It will be sealed in an envelope and handed to a third party so no one can interfere with it.

Christopher (00:31:06):
I love this sort of science. And he said, now find your partner. You’d now do your meditation together. One will do it, the other will stay with normal. And so I got to go into the meditation first, and I’m there. I’m sitting there, okay. And he said, now bring that person in your mind. Uh, what we were told you, you tell ’em the first name, their age, and where they live. Just say you couldn’t get confused and pick the wrong person. So I got married, 42 Perth. Okay, I’m looking for Mary 42. Suddenly this woman comes into my thing, she’s hunched over, she’s small, she’s got long, wavy, brown hair, she’s breathing heavily. Asthmatically like really wheezing. I see this woman in my breath, in my thing. I go, so I describe her, by the way, at a third party describing one of the helpers, writing down all that I was saying.

Christopher (00:31:57):
And I’m saying the description. Um, and then I said, and then he said, use your intuition. See what you can do. So I looked at this woman, I said, well, look, the problem’s inside here in her lungs, I, I need to get there. So he said, you can do anything, you know, it’s a magic world. Go where you like. So I made myself very small. I went down her throat and I’m climbing down into the air passage to see what’s going on with the lungs. And I came to where the lungs should bifurcate into two. And I said, I remember the very words I said, oh my God, I’ve got here. But there’s a big hole where her lungs should be one of her lungs. The other one’s there. But this one’s, it’s, it’s like she got shot in the chest with a cannonball. That’s words I used.

Christopher (00:32:41):
And, and there’s a hole there. I said, well, I’m going into the other one. I went into the lung and it’s covered in brown, sticky tar. The whole thing is, is C clogged. And I wonder she’s having trouble breathing this problem. And he said, well, if you could do any good, do something, you know, on the basis of do no harm, see if you can help. So I’m in there, I said, oh well, you know, I’ve gotta get there, rid this tar so she can breathe. So I’ve got myself, you had a magic toolkit. So I got down a scraper like the side of a boat, scraping the barnacles off. I’ve gotta spray thing. And I sprayed it down and hosed it down. I realized all this gunk was going into the bottom of a lung and I didn’t know how to get it out.

Christopher (00:33:18):
You know, I did 10 minutes of this work. I was sweating at the end of that. I felt like I’d really worked. And, and it all sounded crazy to me. How the hell would I know what’s going on with this woman? So then I, that was it, you know, session over. I pulled up, open my eyes. This poor guy in front of me was white as a sheet. He said, oh my god, you know, you’ve described perfectly my twin sister. Uh, we lived in Wollongong at the foot of a oil, uh, a coal collary. And the coal dust would come up every night and settle down all over us. All the clothes lines went black, everything. She breathed that cold dust. She got emphysema at the age of nine. She had her left lung removed, the one I’d seen. And of course, this cold tar, it’s a permanent condition, does not leave the lungs.

Christopher (00:34:08):
So she’s had emphysema all her life. She’s had to go to Perth for dry air. Uh, this is a long time ago. Guy, probably before you were born, they were not mobile phones. They were not, you know, instant communication. A phone call to Perth was, you book it up or you had a long telegraph call. So he goes home. This guy was a very wealthy man. He made a fortune in microwave technology. And he had one of the world’s first answering phones, which was a real to real tape recorder, like this size big. So he goes home, you know, cuz I’m blown away. I I got it accurate that that was one big amazement, remote viewing. I now believe in it. So obviously. But then I, I got, you know, we went home that night. We had one more day left of the course. We came back and he said, Chris, you won’t believe it.

Christopher (00:34:59):
I got home and there’s a message on my answering. And my sister rings me twice a year. She rings me at Christmas. She rings me for my birthday. That’s how it works. And we, you know, that’s all. You don’t just have a chat. How’s the weather? Uh, but there’s this answering phone. And she said to her friend, her, her brother, um, I was having a terrible week with emphysema. I was struggling. I was feeling really down. And then I had this strong sense of your presence. Not me but him. Remember I was channeling through him. You came into me and I, I suddenly felt better and everything improved. And I had to ring and tell you, I needed you to know <laugh>. So fuck, what am I to do? I’m a skeptic. I thought this was all bullshit. I didn’t believe in any of that fairy magic, honestly.

Christopher (00:35:52):
And here I am as a, so now 40 people in the class did that. He got everyone up at the end of that session and said, who, who registered something that was really definite. 27 people out of 40 had an experience like that. I wasn’t unique, but that gave me such confidence that there is more to life than you can measure in a lab. It was so much more going on. And so that was a huge thing for me. And I started to use that alpha dynamic. I still do to this day, uh, when I have an issue and I want to know how to resolve it. When I want to think through, you know, the house I live in, I saw 10 years before I, I bought it. It was the last sort of house I think I’d want. I I didn’t want a place, I wanted a place with a view.

Christopher (00:36:38):
Thought I’d be looking over water. I wanted all aluminum and sliding and, you know, no maintenance. And I ended up with an old wooden house, <laugh> with no view that I, it’s this perfect house. But I saw this house 10 years later. I, I discovered it. By the way, don’t pin it on the wall and pray for it every day. Once you’ve done the work, it, it happens. It manifests. So this alpha dynamic gave me a tool that I have shared with everybody. I could. I even did it with one of our associates at, uh, at your retreat who was needing to help work herself into another place. And I did it with my board. I did it with my employees. We would all sit around. When I went to Organic India, the first thing I did, I got 30 people in a room. All the middle management and that, the team that we needed to transform.

Christopher (00:37:32):
And we spent three days virtually working through alpha visualizing what would this company look like in 10 years? And we saw things like Deepak Chopra and opera being, you know, part of us. We, we saw our products all over the world. We saw ourselves doing great. We saw all the farmers being happy and successful 10 years later. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. And we built the most amazing factory, uh, that is like a, a university campus and a delight. A place with gardens and where the workers get really looked after beautiful meals that is also very profitable company, not frightened of profit. I was as a radical left wing student thinking profit was a dirty word. Mm-hmm. One day I had a course that said, no, you need to make a profit so you can sustainably offer goods and services that people need. Not just want, but need and can do good for them. So alpha has been a blessing for me. And I guess that’s,

Guy (00:38:37):
That’s, that’s an amazing story. And, and what I love is that when we have, there’s nothing compete an experience. Cuz once we have an experience and feel it and see it and witness it for ourselves, it changes it, you know, a shallow’s belief systems that, that are bubbling under the surface then dictating our, our our thoughts, right? So are you envisaging a screen in your meditation? Is that what you’re doing? And then

Christopher (00:39:04):
That, that, that was the device. This was a guy who traveled the east for 10 years and then said, look it, it’s the McDonald’s version of living in a bloody cave for 30 years and kinda become that enlightened guru that we all kind of know about, but nobody wants to do. And he said, I’ve got a short circuit this, I’ve gotta bring it down. And by, by creating a workshop, which is just a room in some imaginary garden, somewhere in a peaceful place, you walk into the workshop, um, and you put up a white screen and you have a beautiful chair. I mean, you always have the best business class lounge, fantastic comfy chair. You’re looking up into the screen. Why do you do all that? Because it gets the western mind out of the way. Yeah. You’re sitting somewhere, you know what a screen looks like now, let’s see what comes on.

Christopher (00:39:49):
And that’s the real magic as things start to show up, that you are allowing yourself to connect with the conscience consciousness of the universe. A as you’re probably aware, everything has already existed and exists now. Everything everywhere is now. There is no other time. And all we are doing is feeling our way through this moment into different places and, and creating this perception that we’re, we’re growing older and all that. I, look, I, I struggle with this as a scientist cuz I <laugh> it seems to be one dimensional to me. But there’s even moments now where scientists are saying we can interact with the past and change it. So there is, uh, a lot of exploration of consciousness going on at the moment. And this is one of the manifestations of that. But I’ll tell you how hopeless I am at intuition and, and this, uh, one of my loves having read Lind tags the field mm-hmm.

Christopher (00:40:45):
<affirmative>. And then she did the intention experiment. And I love that book. And I love the fact it was scientifically saying, how can intention affect matter? Like how did I affect that woman’s lungs? And I’d never even knew who the hell she was. And yet she gave us that positive reinforcement. So I, I’ve kind of explored that arena and the, the, the thing that tickled my fancy was, is spoon bending real? You know, that’s a practical demonstration. My wife was a deep skeptic, said, it’s all nonsense. They just put some chemical on. They just bullshit. They bend it when you’re not looking, blah, blah. You know, she’s a very practical woman. Beautiful woman, but very cynical. And I’m going, I don’t know, I think there’s something in there where a friend of mine coincidentally said, look, I’ve met this woman in America. She’s just extraordinary.

Christopher (00:41:36):
Went to a spoon bending party. Chris, you’ve gotta meet her. You’ve gotta meet her. You know, gotta see us. I went, oh, alright. So we got in contact and I said, why don’t you come to Byron Bay and if you, you know any good, I’ll set it up. You can do some spoon bending over here. The first time she came, we just did one little exercise, but she was so blew me away. I said, you gotta come back. And I took her to Byron Bay, of course Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, gold Coast. I had five big sessions and I advertised them, you know, and Facebook or whatever. We got 40, 50 people to most, some 60 people would come to these sessions. I said, bring your spoons, you know, we’re not gonna do any fake stuff. And she had her little technique of getting you off your mind and out of this marina and take out your, your spoon and do this now.

Christopher (00:42:27):
Boom. Watch it bend. And it just, they bent, bent like wet spaghetti. I mean, his spoons were just unbelievable. Wow. Again, around 80% of that group all did it. Guess who couldn’t fucking do it? <laugh>. I could not still bend a damn spoon. <laugh> shits me <laugh>. So I go, come on Ben fucking <laugh>. Because that’s my mind. My mind is very linear and wants to see things and understand why they work. So, but guess who can bend spoons on her ear. Wow. My wife. No problems. Wow. So she could just, she had a pad, she’ll pick something up and just going watch, boom. And off it goes. And there’s no doubt this is real. We are intention affecting matter. That, and that’s been a fascination in my life for a long time. This whole story of how our consciousness interacts with the universe and things change.

Christopher (00:43:22): }
I, I had the great thrill of bringing mess Emoto to Australia the first time. And the guy who did the water magic, you know, uh, and I met, uh, I met him in bath. I got fascinated by water. And I went to one of his, uh, sessions in, in bath. I said, oh, you ever in the area come and visit? Anyway, he turned up in Cairns and I said, we’ll fly you down. We’ll have a session in Byron Bay. He said, well, before he became famous, he became famous through, I think it was what the bleep though. What the bleep. Yeah. Uh, and I was just fascinated by his, I was also very suspicious of, hes of genuine scientist. You know, I thought this, he’s just selected a couple of slides and, and you know, making an interpretation on it. But in fact he, he turned out to be an extraordinarily wonderful man.

Christopher (00:44:15):
And, uh, watching hair manifesting change in water by just putting words on it. I, I did the same thing. I got to prove to myself whether he was nonsense or not, I got some carrot juice and a week before he was due, I put the carrot juice in two jars. I did it properly. I sterilized the jars, I made it identical. I put ’em in the same space. And I wrote, I love you on one and I hate you on the other. And every day I would look at the jars and I’d send love and I’d send hate. And one week later is all it took, that carrot juice that been hating had turned into its brown stinking fecal mess. It looked disgusting. You didn’t wanna take the lid off it, it was gonna be awful. And the one I love you had turned into like clarified tea, tea before you put the milk in.

Christopher (00:45:06):
It just looked like that. And it was, it looks sweet. And they do this with rice all the time in, in Japan. They, they separate the rice. And I think you’ve even mentioned it. If you or guy, um, Matt might have mentioned it, you put the rice in the I love you’s position or I hate you. And they sometimes do it. A third one that you ignore. The, I hate you turns into the brown, stinky, you know, looks awful, smells awful. You don’t want to touch it, but I love you. It comes like me, like sweet, the sweetness comes out and that you could literally eat it a, a month later. And it’s, you just know it’s gonna be safe. But the one that’s worst of all is the one I that you ignore. So our children who ignored people who don’t get love, people who don’t get affectionate, touch, wither and die.

Christopher (00:45:57):
It’s just tragic. I’m a great believer in affectionate touch and living in a community where we share. In fact, your noble question, which I was ready for and you never gave it to me, was <laugh>, what do you do? What, what do you do in your daily life? <laugh>, you never gave me that <laugh>, but my, I had an answer for you because my passion is to create community. And so I’m using my superannuation money to build little communities on farms where we can add cabins legally. Uh, we are allowed to build these expanded pavilion homes. We build a house with six bedrooms and they’re, each one is a self-contained unit on a beautiful environment. And they’re cheap, they’re affordable. Byron Bay is desperately short of affordable accommodation. We’ve gotta bring it down to where people live. Cuz we are losing all our wonderful creative people and hardworking people all going out to Koga or well young.

Christopher (00:46:55):
Exactly. They just can’t live here anymore. It’s a tragedy as well. I’m trying to do a bunch like that and get, uh, I’ve got a little cluster of 22 I’m trying to put together and it, instead of having a, a wanky place on Lonzo where I get, you know, two and a half thousand dollars a week I’m doing this, I’ll get as much or more. But I’ll now have 20 people living there in a happy environment. Creating a sense of community. Community guys is one of the best drugs on the world in the on earth. It’s, it gives you immunity, it gives you strength, it gives you longevity, it gives you happiness. Uh, you know, when you are sick, someone brings you chicken soup. It’s all of that. And we’re we lacking it? We’ve driven it away so much in our lives. I wanna build it back.

Guy (00:47:44):
Amazing. Amazing. Thank you for sharing all that. Yes. Hence why we call our work reconnected, our retreats. Because that connection that coming back together, you know? Mm-hmm. And it, it is fascinating what you, what you share. And just to reinforce people for listeners, because with the, the power of intention as well and everything, if you like, like you share everything is vibration. And we’ve like, cuz I’ve done Lynn Mac’s work, I did her Better Healing Course, become a better healer quite a few years ago and was fascinated. I had her on the podcast the worldwide actually, but um, was fascinated about her power of eight groups. And, and we kind of morphed into our own healing circles at the retreats. But we have, for one instance, we had one lady who fully surrendered in the middle, uh, I think this was at the last August retreat, the, the last five night of before yours.

Guy (00:48:43):
Um, but she had been told she was going to die and she had been preparing herself to die and, but she had this hugely strong will and in that healing process, she completely surrendered and saw her future self come to her healed and she connected with her future self in that moment. You know? Right. And it just, when you have these experiences, it just like, like it lights lights something in you, doesn’t it? I know it did for me. Yeah. A flame gets fanned and you’re like, oh, you know, and she’s still doing amazing, taking amazing strides to this day now from these things. And I’m just a huge fan of curiosity and I, I, my wish, and the reason why I do these podcasts as well, is to allow people to have access and hopefully become more curious as a and skepticals find, but lean in and explore the possibilities of it all. Because I think it’s like the biggest kept secret that only if everyone knew about and could have a taste of what, what it is, I think would be a much more compassionate, caring, loving, <laugh> race. Full star. That’s right.

Christopher (00:49:57):
Your work is so important. You are opening gates for people. I know that. It’s, yeah. So I’m grateful to touch base with you and I repeat what I said. I love your podcast. I love that you bring these my heroes. And I don’t put myself in the same category. I’m just, I’m an ordinary guy figure to figuring out. And I’m a businessman and I like sex. I never even told you about my passions. Um, my passion is for the feminine, the need to bring the feminine back onto planet. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I even heard you say that in, in the sessions. Um, I did anthropology in, in my major at university and I learned the roles of male and female, masculine and feminine roles. Doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. We all have both. And the feminine is, is what nurtures relationships, what keeps people together, what grows things.

Christopher (00:50:50):
The feminine is, you know, kashko another fantastic course I did about, uh, human sexuality and its place in the universe and everything, everything on the planet they say is sparked by the masculine spark that incubated in feminine. The, the feminine is what grows and makes things happen. The masculine has to spark it. So we don’t deny the masculinity. It’s important, but it’s not everything. And we’ve got such a fucking planet now that wants nuclear subs and let’s have war with China and, you know, is belly aching on about who they hate. Such masculine bullshit going on. I can’t stand it. And I’m, if we bring that feminine of care, you want to make everybody’s life better, richer, healthier. That’s the feminine rule. So my real passion has turned to carving marble. Yes. Cause I’ve always loved art. And, uh, so I thought, well, you know, I, I want something meaningful in my art.

Christopher (00:51:51):
I went straight to the womb. The womb. People think it’s the vagina, but actually like the womb is my, my mecca. But the doorway to the boom happened to be a vagina. So I love vaginas too. And I do a lot of sculptures about that area. People think, uh, they probably don’t really get what I’m on about. A lot of people think it’s just a, you know, a pornographic art. But in fact, I’m saying the biggest swear word on the planet today in English is cunt. You know, if you’re a cunt, you’re the worst of all the types. It’s my favorite word. I love that. And the, the, uh, uh, very good lesbian friend of mine is cherishing that word and saying she really wants people to love and appreciate that word and understand that at why would we denigrate that organ to being the worst thing you could call somebody when it is the most sacred thing?

Christopher (00:52:45):
It’s the opposite. We are, we are demeaning and putting down what is the most sacred thing on the planet. This energy that grows and nurtures and love men are great. And don’t get me wrong, I’ve been in men’s group and I love men too in, in, in the nonsexual way, but they fix the gutters. They get the roads working, they make sure planes go on time. They, you know, it’s a masculine energy that drives things in the built environment to work well. And you need that. That’s not in insignificant, but the feminine remembers Uncle Charlie’s birthday remembers that funeral we’re supposed to go to remembers that we, we gotta celebrate, you know, Christmas and have you done the shopping and all that, that bringing together the network. And that’s what’s so lacking in this planet today. It’s tragic how we’ve crushed that underfoot and, uh, women are so put down or have been, thank God they’re coming back. I, you know, but that’s what my art’s about. So I happily carved this beautiful Italian marble and I’ve set up a little sculpting school and,

Guy (00:53:54):
And I was gonna say, for people listening to this and they happen to be passing Byron Bay, are they able to come and see your sculptures or do you do workshops and things like that?

Christopher (00:54:03):
Uh, we, we have couple of workshops a year. They’re very small scale. I don’t advertise them. Uh, and word of mouth, basically, if anyone wanted to try and hook in on it, get on, find me on Facebook and send me a message. That’s the best way and we’ll, we’ll link you up. I have this brilliant teacher, Samma Ssar from Italy. He’s a, he lives and works at the foot of Michelangelo’s Quarry right up in, in the mountains of marble in Carrara. He’s a brilliant artist and a brilliant teacher. And he is also fallen in love with Byron Bay. So he comes and spends a couple of months a year with us. We get people in and he loves to teach from absolute beginners to the most advanced sculptors. Uh, and, and there again, I like to make sculptures, but I, I get a much bigger thrill from watching 12 other people making beautiful works. And I know that I’ve helped facilitate that. That’s my passion, so I’m loving it.

Guy (00:55:01):
Beautiful. Last couple of questions for you before we wrap it up, Chris. Um, the first one is, are you, what, how do you see the future going in terms of humanity? Are you hopeful? Are you excited? Are you ready? Like, where do you sit on everything?

Christopher (00:55:20):
I’m an octopus and I’m a very hopeful about humanity. I think we are a part of a very extraordinary time unfolding. I’m, I’m a great believer in this. Uh, it’s a long story guy take another 45 minutes, but I’ll go as quick as I can that, uh, many years ago when I was 20, uh, just after that experience, I read a book 1968 called The Star Seed Transmission. And I got together reading that book and a a, a theory about where we’re going as a human species. That time of a 4.2 billion people on the planet. This book predicted there will one day be 10 billion, but we will never exceed it. This is 50 years ago. Remember it’s, uh, the book predicted all that would happen until 2030. It’s been absolutely spot on. This was a prescient piece of channeled work. The guy said, I channeled it from, from the play eighties, from the Stars, and I’m telling this story.

Christopher (00:56:17):
And in that book he talked about the power of 10 10 to the power of 10 as a paradigm shift or a consciousness change. Smallest thing in the world is a hydrogen atom, physical matter. So we’ve got a, a proton electron, tiny thing. Not very much happens, but if you link up hydrogens and join ’em up, you get carbon dioxide and, and EU tridium and you get, you know, stuff, physical stuff. You need, and this is an approximate, don’t get me scientifically bogged in this, but approximately 10 billion, 10 to the power of 10 of these hydrogens linked up. You have a paradigm shift available when they hook up and create the first ribos nucleic acid rna. Now you’ve got a sophisticated molecule that can unwrap, make two of itself. That’s a virus, right? A tiny, it’s a consciousness change from inorganic stuff to something that’s now living.

Christopher (00:57:10):
10 billion strands of RNA that decide to get together and cooperate will create a thing called an ameba. A single cell now has a nucleus, has a cell wall, has cytoplasm. It’s a consciousness shift. This is a much more complex thing than a single RNA strand. And it’s able to move around and eat and separate and, you know, get on with life. 10 billion of those, the frontal lobe of your brain. The, this area that was, is very intense. 10 billion cells hanging together. A heart, a lung, a kidney, a shellfish, um, a mollusk, uh, a snail, 10 billion AERs that decide to cooperate become a very much more complex creature and a much more sophisticated, it’s a consciousness shaped paradigm shift. So go back to who we are, Gaia. Cuz the real answer to your story in my book is Gaia, is the thing that is coming alive.

Christopher (00:58:09):
Gaia is this lump of rock that manifests into that space that got fertilized. Somehow we got fertilized with life in this book. It said, you’ll go to every other planet. We’d not even got to the moon then. And you’re not gonna find any life on them. Bad luck. You’re gonna go out thinking, where is it? You are the one, you are the egg in the, in the womb of the solar system that got fertilized. You got it. And your fertility is now manifesting. Everything is evolving and growing. And guess who the peak intelligence of earth is? You are humans. It’s, it’s not white ends and it’s not dolphins. They are extraordinary intelligence and they’re all part of this Gaia manifesting of course. But you’ve got a stewardship role. Human beings are gonna be very integral to the governance of this planet as we’re learning. And so we now are looking at having fucked up this planet for a long time.

Christopher (00:59:11):
How can we restore and re re repair it? So go back to 10 billion. You said 10 billion of you humans, you’ll freak out and think, oh, that’s way too many, too much resources. No, there’s tons of water, there’s tons of energy, there’s tons of everything you need and you’ll get to 10 billion won’t get beyond it. And that’s exactly where the curves are. I’ll be watching these curves for 45 years. They do not exceed 10 billion. So we’ll get to that number. Excuse me. It said, at this time, as you approach that number, we’re at 8 billion. Now you will start to see a web emerge. None of this existed in 1967 when the book was written. A web will emerge, which will link everything with everything. And this will become a consciousness of your planet. And you will be searching for your, your origins. You’ll be putting up Seti, you know, search your extraterrestrial and tell, you’ll be sticking up Hubble in its equivalent.

Christopher (01:00:07):
James, James Webb trying to see what’s out there. Where’s mom? Where’s dad? Where do we come from? What’s that? You’ll start to connect. And this is actually Gaia becoming alive. It’s the consciousness, the planet that will start to morph. And at 10 billion it predicted here, take my word on that. There’s gonna be a paradigm shift. There’s gonna be a understanding that you are not you guy and me, Chris and her Mary. We are one consciousness. We are one entity that will start to travel through the universe, not in a tin can with a bit of petrol. That’s a nonsense. I knew as a scientist, that’s never power. We’re going, the stars have get around. We’re gonna get travel at this quantum level, at this experiential level where we will instantly be anywhere in the universe. And as I know, I could be in Perth inside this woman’s body like that.

Christopher (01:01:04):
I know that we could be anywhere in the universe instantly, and we’re gonna have full awareness. And that’s our, that’s our destination. So I I I don’t have any doubt that humanity, we’re, we’re better than cockroaches at survival. We can survive anywhere on, you know, the anta up on the top of a mountain in the bottom of a, you know, a crater. We can, we’re survivors. And I’ll tell you another story. Pinker’s done this study over 10,000 years, humanity has never been in a better position than it is today. There’s much less morbidity, much less death per capita, much better health, life expectancy, all these things. None of which you read about in the press. All you ever read about is a car bomb in Teran where 12 people got killed. Oh, for fuck’s sake, guy. The g in the box of rebellion, a tiny little rebellion in China, 115 years ago, 20 million people got killed.

Christopher (01:02:04):
I mean, in relative proportions were much less. And we, you know, ukraine’s horrible and we’re worrying about stuff, but it’s a, it’s a flea bite in a population of 8 billion compared to what used to happen. Uh, and, and there’s been every a hundred years or every 10 years they’ve done it, there is a lessening of violent crime of violence against humanity. And that counts World War I and World War ii. It’s a very, very interesting study he did to show that we are actually as a species getting better and our life expectance is, are better and our opportunities are better. When I read that book, there was 15% of the world that had a middle class existence of health and, and education and living a good life. Today it’s 60%. And that was predicted in the book 60%. That’s the biggest increase in wealth and, and sustainability in humanity that’s ever been by far.

Christopher (01:03:04):
So if we stop focusing on the negativity that is fed to us as a fear thing, you understand that, you know, to keep you reading the papers, to keep Murdoch richer, um, and start to see the big picture is wonderful. And look where we live. You live, I live in paradise. We live in this gorgeous world. You know what, I travel all over the world. I’ve just recently been in Mexico and, and Italy and, and San Francisco. And yeah, I saw some poverty and I saw some sad stuff around the edges. Of course it’s there. I’m not denying that. But what I saw was millions of people loving where they are, loving their life, living in paradise, but terrified to pick up the paper because they might read about this horrible thing that’s happened on the other side of the planet. So where am I?

Christopher (01:03:50):
I think humanity’s gonna do fine. I think we’ll get past this fear laden decade that we’re in. And I, I believe there’s a, a huge hope for us to become citizens of the universe, citizens of the galaxies. We, I’ve, I’ve gone down the rabbit hole, by the way, from the total skeptic thing. It was all bullshit like I did about natural medicine once and remote viewing. I’m down the rabbit hole of alien contact now. And uh, watching out. And again, I’ve had one tiny experience of seeing three little lights whizzing around in the sky that could not have been explained by anything than other than some sort of extraterrestrial or some sort of energy that we can’t control. Amazing stuff. I saw that when I was in my late twenties in Sydney. But I see so many people having these experiences now. There’s so much of this going on.

Christopher (01:04:44):
And there are extraordinary stories about people connecting with alien, uh, entities and, and craft that can do amazing things. Travel through the universe, travel through time, or granny people with alien contact now, they’re not all lying, they’re not all bullshit, they’re not all crap. You know, there’s something in that. And while I haven’t had that experience personally, I’ve gotta stop being a skeptic. Like I didn’t believe people could bend spoons once. And I’ve seen so much of that, that even though I can’t, I don’t doubt it. And that to me, there is this, it’s, it’s, it’s a, it’s a bit of a so what to all of this. So what, so who cares? I mean, it’s gonna happen or it’s not gonna happen. Doesn’t matter. We just live our lives, we get through the day. But I’m an optimist. I think the world is getting better.

Christopher (01:05:34):
I despite, you know, having some horrible things forced on us by big pharma and blah blah blah. And you know, I could give you all the bad stories cuz I know them personally. I got fucked over by big pharma when I did my teacher oil business. And we, we had an example where they completely dish, honestly, uh, treated ol uh, created a headline in in Europe to make out. It was a toxic, poisonous, dangerous substance. And it was such a lie. And they did a very effective e word from selling 90 tons of riol a year in Germany to selling four tons overnight. Wow. Because they knew exactly what they were doing. They wanted to shut us down. And it took me three years and millions of dollars of government help to prove that that was all bullshit. And it was seven years later that a director of of you won’t name the evil company based in Germany that did the work, but they deliberately set out to scuttle teacher. Cause it was too good to affect. I can tell you the bad stories, but let me tell you, the good stories far outweigh and we should realize that there’s a lot of good in this point.

Guy (01:06:45):
Yeah. Thank you Christopher. I’m glad I asked the question that I, I can see that being a highlight reel when I let people know this podcast is out. Truly. That’s, that’s very inspiring. I’ve never thought of it like that. Um, last question to wrap things up and considering all the listeners that’ll be listening, tuning in and wherever they are doing circumstances, everything and the conversation we’ve had today, is there anything you’d like to leave them to ponder on?

Christopher (01:07:19):
I would like to share something Anita Moorjani taught me. Uh, I met Anita and even Alexander, both extremely interesting near death experiences that people should read if they get a chance.

Guy (01:07:33):
Is that Even Alexander.

Christopher (01:07:34):
Even Alexander, yeah. Proof of heaven, fantastic book. And Anita wrote Dying to Be Me. Uh, an Anita says it best. Um, that having had that experience, there is absolutely nothing to fear. That’s the first moral, uh, uh, first li thing I’d like to leave something with. And the second thing is, whenever you have to make a decision and you’re in some sort of dilemma and you’re not sure what to do, choose what will bring you joy. Because when you choose joy, you are choosing the path, your path and it’s ac effective and that will affect everyone you, to bring them joy. So nothing to fear, choose joy. That’s, that’s what I’d like to leave with people. <laugh>.

Guy (01:08:23):
Beautiful. Christopher, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I really appreciate it. Honestly, I’m so happy our paths crossed and, and to be able to sit down with you today and, and have this conversation and, and share it with people, um, for many, many years to come. People will be tuning in and chopping in and and listening. So it’s, uh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Christopher (01:08:45):
Thank you so much. I love the way you bring this stuff out of us. <laugh> done it with me too, so it’s a pleasure talking with you Guy.

Guy (01:08:53):
Thanks mate. Thank you.