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Robin:
When has there ever been a time where you have not been able to transcend what it is that you have experienced? You are capable of surviving what it is that you have created. You have this universe around you that you are creating by what you are observing and feeling and thinking about. This is your personal universe.

The most important thing that I’ve learned in the entire spiritual journey is to just really trust that you That you don’t need to be perfect and that this connection is available to you. Put yourself in the driver’s seat and know that you’re the creator of your experience.

Guy:
Guy here. My beautiful guest today is Robin Jelinek. Who channels Athena in truth. And we had a fascinating conversation today that I found. We’ll be very helpful to you and support you on your journey. I have no doubt because. There’s a lot of conversation around moving into five D 3d world has all ended.

Like what does all that mean? But what are the practical steps we can start taking as well around actually embracing this more loving kind. Expression of consciousness that I feel is innate in all of us. And we dive into it. Robin also. Spontaneously channels as well through the podcast today, expressing about the future of the humanity, what is going on in the planet right now, all fascinating stuff and all very practical as well.

If you are a regular listener to my show, Please be sure to connect. And leave a comment below and let me know where you are in the world. It’s awesome. It was wonderful to connect with many of you in Adelaide in here in Australia, I always asked for a hug. If I meet you in person. And I certainly got a few hugs on, uh, In a one day event this weekend, I’ll be running a retreat next week as well.

There’s so much going on. And then heading to Europe to Croatia. For our five day retreat there as well. If you want to learn what we’re up to in 2025, be sure to click the links below. There’s also a free meditation, which is a great place to start as well. Enjoy this podcast, Robin. It’s beautiful. Yeah, hopefully our world.

Connect with you at one day, somewhere in the world. Much love.

Beautiful. Robin, my lovely, welcome to the podcast.

Robin:
Thank you for having me.

Guy:
If you were at an intimate dinner party right now and you sat next to a stranger and they asked you what you did for a living, what would you say?

Robin:
Um, well, if you asked me that, uh, maybe a year or two ago, I would probably say, uh, nothing, or maybe I would, might eke out that I was a life coach and assisted people in getting better lives. I might’ve said that. Um, however, now I’m kind of at a point where when someone does really ask me that directly, I do tell them what it is that I do.

I’m a little surprised by it. It doesn’t have the stigma attached to it that it once did in the beginning. I was really worried about people finding out, uh, you have to. Realized that I was in my early sixties when this started for me and people knew me a certain way, you know, my husband and I ran a water wheel drilling business in Northern Wisconsin.

Uh, a very small town that, uh, wasn’t where I was living primarily when this occurred. I was half the time in Florida, half the time out in the state of Washington. But, you know, people know you a certain way, you know, I was a tennis player and, uh, active in the gym and, and things like that, and a grandmother, uh, all of those things.

And so, you know, there was this concern or worry that, you know, I was going to be perceived as crazy, you know, or, uh, people would, uh, be shocked that I was doing that and they didn’t know it. You know, I had a couple of people find out that actually emailed me and were shocked they were Googling channeling for some other reason.

And my face comes up, you know, and they’re very shocked by it. So I would say today, uh, I’m pretty comfortable with saying what, what I do often. I’ll say I, I’m a trans channeler. Um, and some people will know right away what that is and really be, uh, gravitated towards it and interested in it, and others will look at you like you’re a little crazy and may not want anything to do with it.

Guy:
Yeah. Beautiful. And I love the fact that you kind of share so openly about it now. When was, when did you make the decision not to kind of be in the closet anymore per se? Because people even come to our workshops and one day events and are actually embarrassed to be there. They’re frightened that they’re, and this is just a meditation.

We’re not actually talking about channeling or, you know, it’s like, let’s just, let’s just get grounded here.

Robin:
Well, you know, I

Guy:
yeah.

Robin:
funny you bring that up because I used to say I know what it’s like to be a different sexuality or something that’s not mainstream because that hiding that goes on or that feeling that you can’t really be who you are, um, is kind of a stigma that goes with this and it goes with those things as well.

Um, but what I’ve, what I’ve realized is that, um, a lift in consciousness, um, is something that occurs in a human where what used to bother them isn’t there anymore and they don’t understand why it isn’t there. Um, I’ve recently started to have a lot of telepathy where I would hear word for word communication, maybe from my husband or my kids.

Yeah. Uh, and I thought, well, boy, how’s this going to work? You know, maybe I’m going to have something coming to me that, uh, I don’t really want to hear. Or that would make me feel a certain way. Um, and then my group quickly let me know, uh, well when it occurs you’ll shift into a different level of consciousness of which telepathy is a part of.

Uh, and then that negativity, that judgment, that condemnation that normally would come with the third dimension of reality, it just doesn’t exist there. So, that’s There’s different levels of consciousness that we very gradually start to rise into and we don’t even realize it and it comes with the letting go of certain beliefs.

It comes with the letting go of certain choices of emotions that we used to choose that we just don’t choose anymore so that that I don’t take credit for that all of a sudden confidence and saying what I do. There was a shift that occurred in me and I didn’t really have anything to do with that.

There was like a level of consciousness that kind of notched up where that fear no longer existed.

Guy:
Wow. Wow. And just on that quickly, do you hear it in your thoughts or their thoughts? Is it like tuning into a radio station when you, when you

Robin:
It comes across the same way as my channeling comes across, um, and it’s really hard to explain what a block of thought is or, uh, it’s just an automatic flow or a download of words. It comes the same way as the channeling experience, but it comes from person to person. And actually, eventually, as consciousness rises, everyone’s going to be able to do that.

And I used to think about that option. What are people going to do when. Every stinky thought that we’re having becomes available to everybody that we’re in front of. Um, and what I didn’t realize in that scenario was the receiver is now different. When a person is able to receive that kind of, uh, information, they don’t contain that kind of response that we might think that they do when we’re not doing that.

Guy:
Yeah. So I just want to close one other loop before we kind of dive into your own journey, if that’s okay, Robin. And you mentioned at the start, you were a trans channeler and I thought that might be good to just get clarity around that and what the different kinds of channeling there are.

Robin:
Yeah. So, um, you know, I think there’s different levels of transchannel. The reason I call myself a transchannel is I definitely know I’m doing it, but I don’t recall or remember the exchange once it’s over. Um, I very much shift out of the exchange. But I can be called back in, so my consciousness is there enough that if someone says I want to talk to Robin or, um, something like that occurs during a session, then immediately I’m back in.

I have, so I have, I wouldn’t say I’m withdrawn to the point where, um, someone has to be there. It’s not like that. Um, but I definitely don’t recall the exchange. It slips out of my awareness very quickly after the session is over. And, and. Oftentimes when I get a client a second and third time, I can’t even remember him facially.

It gets rid of all of that data. Yeah,

Guy:
does it feel like when you moving out of your body? Like, are you just, where is your consciousness while the channeling is happening? Like,

Robin:
well, you know, first and foremost, and you’ve probably heard this statement before, is we are all channelers. We’re all projecting our consciousness into the bodies that we have. So first, I would say it’s very natural. It doesn’t feel that weird. It doesn’t feel all that different. But there is, uh, No, there, I would say there’s almost no awareness of Robin.

There’s no, uh, place really. There’s, there’s no feeling that I have, uh, but there is awareness that I exist. That’s the only way I could explain it to you, but not in a, uh, not in an emoting or feeling way. It’s just a, a pure awareness.

Guy:
wow, that’s interesting. I, I remember the first time I went out of body and, um, I absolutely freaked out, even though I’d read about it logically, I’d researched it and everything. And there was this aspect of me was like, Oh my god, like we really are photons of light having an experience in a human body and and I and I felt myself come up my top of my head and I was Beside in a void witness to knowing I’m not in my body and it was just wild But what pulled me back in straight away were all the traumas all the belief systems that it was starting to highlight From that I needed to start to dive into and that’s why I feel that actually happened to me at this particular part of my journey Do you feel that through through channeling that through your own healings?

That’s how you’re able to do what you do

Robin:
Well, uh, you know, you bring up a out of body experience. I had one of those two and it came to me as I was posing a question. I was always wondering, am I going to know who I am when I’m not in the body anymore? I think that was the question I was posing over and over to myself and I was just lying down on the bed when that happened.

Um, and all of a sudden I felt that feeling and I went out and I saw myself laying on the bed, um, and was quite surprised by it. And there was a voice in my head that said, well, are you still you? And I was. I didn’t really feel that much different. I couldn’t move the body. I couldn’t make myself speak. I was looking at it on the bed, but the essence or the, um, the way about me was existing.

It was still there. And it was almost like a, like a humorous thing, uh, to whoever was giving me that experience. So, um, and what was the question? I kind of veered off there again.

Guy:
So so the fact that you’ve been healing your own Your own beliefs, your own traumas and, and through the evolution, it’s allowing you to actually hold space for yourself while you channel.

Robin:
Yeah. Uh, one of the things that I, I really consider myself an expert at is chakras and really understanding the, the human, uh, connection to the divine part of themselves. And, uh, from, uh, in my early twenties, I was always interested in them and I would say, you know, I was busy raising kids and we were running a business, but, but by the time I got to be around 40 and I’d had that Kundalini awakening experience, uh, I, I was doing a lot of, uh, concentration on my energy centers, breathing into them, uh, asking myself to release things that were held there, noticing areas of my life that maybe were not reflective of what I wanted to see in it.

Um, and knowing that they were, each center was actually related to a person. A place in my life, you know, your communication, your, uh, relationships and so on. Um, and so in, while I was doing that, uh, that’s what precipitated for me. And I’m not saying that’s what precipitates Kundalini rise in everyone. But although I think, uh, lightning, what’s in those energy centers definitely gives an opportunity for that energy to rise.

And it’s actually what I do in the Kundalini activations that I do for people is we really work at looking at, um, where they’ve not accepted and love themselves and what they’ve chosen to feel in their life. Uh, we’re all going to have. all kinds of stinky feelings in our, in our life and, and, and things that we do.

That’s part of the human experience. Uh, but what we do is in the judging and condemning of how we lived and, and what we felt in those experiences as a result of our life, uh, we actually create a disconnection between the divinity self and ourself. That’s what actually happens. So there’s never the divine ever denying you.

Um, it’s you hanging on to something that’s opposite of love. And so, uh, what I really teach is helping humans to connect to the love of self and the understanding that they’ve never done it wrong. They don’t need to do it over. They don’t need to be perfect. Uh, and it’s quite, um, satisfying people to find out that you don’t need to police yourself, that there is a really good system in place, that you just go out and live your life.

Uh, but what, uh, Uh, it is really important is the observation of yourself because that pure awareness, that observation is the divinity aspect of yourself. So when you say, hey, take a look at me, what I’m feeling and what I’m doing, you’re actually inviting that energy into your field, which has the ability to dissolve negativity, uh, in you and then your energy starts to rise as a human.

And you simply become a match the divine in the love of yourself, which matches unconditional love. And that kind of opens up the floodgate to flow. That’s when people start to really get the lives they want to and are very satisfied in their exchanges. Um, and so, you know, it’s really, uh, uh, thrilling to people to find out that this is something that everyone has access to.

It’s not something that you have to be special or that you have to govern yourself or effort or sit all day and hum in a corner. None of that is necessary. Uh, certainly if that brings you into a love state and you love doing it and you have the time to do it, then I would say, great, you know, follow that breadcrumb.

Um, but there’s nothing that you have to do to have your spiritual connection other than match it in your love of yourself.

Guy:
I love that explanation. Thank you so much. It’s fascinating, isn’t it? Because those energy centers was a big part of my journey too. I just didn’t understand them, but I would just turn up every morning and meditate on them. And I had a, I had a, um, a guided practice where I just Be awareness and sit with them every single day for months and months and months.

I didn’t even know why I was doing it.

Robin:
Well, and that’s happened to me too, but that awareness is the divinity aspect of yourself that’s driving you into that direction. And, you know, a lot of people don’t understand that, you know, our energy centers are responding all day long in every moment to whatever we are experiencing. There’s a contraction or a movement of energy.

Um, and so it’s just to really understand that, that, you know, doing that practice is really a good practice to do because everyone’s going to be affected. by something. Uh, even I am. I’m having to do it. You know, I have different things that I encounter that maybe get me, you know, and so it’s just a good idea.

And as you run that energy as you, you are the conductor of light. That’s what you are as a human. And so you have the ability to focus on those energy centers, invite more light or enlightenment. into you. That’s people call it enlightenment, which indicates you got to do a lot of work and you got to be special, which this isn’t true.

Uh, you invite that light to yourself in the knowing and in the understanding of who you are, what you are and why you’re here. Uh, and then more light starts to come into those energy centers, which creates a rapid spin, which actually conducts and sucks in or pulls more light into the system, transferring it into each one of the energy centers, enhancing all areas of your life is actually what’s occurring with those energy centers.

Guy:
How good is that, huh? So when you were on your journey because you said you were interested in them in your 20s What really and? What really surprised me was that I, I just used to think about that metaphorically until I actually felt them open and spin. And it, my, and my second center took, I, it must’ve been years before I really connected into it fully. When you kind of went on this journey, at what point did you realize it was more than just a book and information and actually really a person? Starting to it’s starting to show up in your life Was that when you had the kundalini and were you familiar with kundalini at the time when that started to arise within you?

Robin:
Yeah, I was, um, yeah, I, you know, in my early twenties, I would just say there, there was something driving me and, and what I’ve learned now is that we all have Kundalini energy, uh, running through us to some degree. Often it’s contained in the three lower energy centers. It hasn’t moved up yet or had, uh, we come into the plane, uh, in that density and it actually compresses everything down into the lower base center.

And so there’s enough of that energy leaking, of course, to keep you alive. But not enough to create from not enoughness we’re creating in the three lower energy centers where there’s lack, there’s not enough, there’s lust, there’s jealousy, there’s all of these emotions that are going on. And everyone talks about the ego.

Well, you need the ego when you’re in three lower energy centers. That’s all you believe that, that you have to effort. You have to work hard. That’s how things come to you. And so you use your ego in order to do that. As that energy starts to rise and it, and it’ll rise in everyone’s life. at some point in their evolution of their soul.

It might not be this one, but at some point it will start to rise. Um, and then with it, uh, comes that spiritual desire, comes that, that seeking. Uh, I used to say, I don’t know if it’s chasing me or I’m chasing it. I just didn’t really know. Um, so I would think even in my early twenties, the insatiable desire that I had to come to Continue to read and to know more and to ask questions.

Uh, even though I had not had any personal experience and I was not aware of chakras at that time, I would say that that came later, like in my late thirties or early forties, where I really started pursuing the, the energy centers, uh, doing the breathing into them. doing focused concentration on them. Um, and that, then, then having that experience and actually confirming it.

Um, yeah, it was very satisfying to get confirmation. It’s satisfying to know you’re a human too. It’s satisfying to know that you can become something as a human. Um, and I think the reason we’re gifted with spiritual experience is, is it confirms. that you are a spiritual being alongside of being a human.

Uh, and once you have those, uh, then, then you can go out and teach. You can go out and talk about it because you’ve had the personal experience. Um, I wouldn’t say I ever really doubted it. I don’t think I would have continued to pursue it to the degree that I did. Uh, and most people that come to me, are the same way.

They’re, they’ve been on that path. They’re looking, um, for something. And a lot of people have told me, you gave me the key. You know, the key is just to love yourself. It’s not to, um, control, uh, effort, drive, uh, condemn, judge, uh, carry on in that way. Uh, and you’re just going to create more and more resistance and disconnection in your field.

So, um, once people get that key, uh, that, uh, Understanding that they come from love and that they are loved unconditionally. Uh, that’s the agreement you came here with free will. And what is it? Uh, you get the right to choose based upon your past life, your present life, uh, and what you’re going through right now, how you feel in your experience, you’ve got a whole deck of cards to choose from.

Uh, in the emotions, none of them are bad. The divine doesn’t look at him that way. They look at them as intricate signals in order to know what you prefer in your experience. And the divine said, I will receive you and everything that you feel. Uh, and I will lift you to the higher octave of that or vibration of that.

And I will create experiences that will make you feel how you really want to feel. But in order for me to transfer those to you, you must become a match to me. And that’s where the self love comes in. Oftentimes, uh, people who are jealous or rageful or angry, uh, or controlling. They don’t like themselves in it.

They decide to condemn and judge the emotion that they sent out as a signal. They forget, they become the human. They forget that the human is a tool, that it’s not going to live forever. It’s going to pass on. Uh, and that, that divinity part of them, uh, actually is always there, uh, but it’s not able to flow through them because of what they hold in regard to themselves.

God, yeah

Guy:
beautiful. So, in your own Kundalini awakening, when you were in your early 40s, I believe you said, was it like, was it a gradual, like, blossoming of a flower? Was it a bolt of lightning that, that, not, not,

Robin:
a volcano erupting, uh, I would say it was a little painful, a little sharp, uh, got stuck in a few areas and backed up and punched again until it would get through centers that were blocked. Uh, I actually had what was a partial rising, it veered off at the heart center and didn’t rise all the way up. Uh, two years later, which I didn’t even know this could happen, and I’ve actually not read about it a lot, but it came down through the crown.

It actually opened me to from the top down and to get into the heart center. Um, so there was some problems actually there. Uh, so I went through what was called the dark night of the soul, but I realized that the dark night of the soul is nothing more than judgment and condemnation of all the things that you are seeing, uh, in yourself, that that energy is allowing you to see.

Uh, you start to realize when you’re talking about someone, you start to realize when you’re, uh, doing or thinking anything that Denies you connection to the love source that you are so that gets revealed to you So how are you going to look at it? Are you going to judge it and condemn it and hate yourself in it and think that you’re backsliding and doing something wrong?

Or are you going to decide to uh Be really a grateful and appreciative and know that you asked for this process that you wanted to see what was actually denying Your connection and then move to gratitude and appreciation and let the universe receive you that way Um, and then you don’t get stuck in that dark night of the soul.

That’s something we do to ourselves

Guy:
Wow, okay. So do you mind sharing a little bit because if the dark night of the soul came after the awakening, I, I feel for especially listeners, there’s a lot of fear around this, like to think that, Oh my God, am I going to go into, is my life going to completely fall apart? Everything going to be thrown in my face.

Do I really want to do that? Can I just go on for another five years before, you know, I start to lift those things up. Do you, are you, do you mind sharing a little bit about your story, your journey there and the lessons.

Robin:
you know, after the rise, uh, what I found was I, I didn’t sleep well, I didn’t need much sleep. Um, however, you never really feel yourself or rested when you go with just several hours a night. And that went on for a while. I can’t even remember the length of time. I wish I would have documented a lot of this stuff, which I didn’t do.

Um, but I just know that there was a real shortage of sleep and that went on for a period of time. For sure, months and maybe longer, uh, from then that, and so, um, great sadness, uh, just have no idea where it’s coming from. Uh, my kids had gone to college, thank goodness, because I wasn’t like an emotional person.

I, if I had to have them see me in that state, they wouldn’t know what to think of it. It just wasn’t who I was. Um, so I had moments of like, uh, emotions. And, and not really understanding or knowing why I would feel that way. Uh, there was like an outpouring that happened for a while. Um, and then my, uh, experience with, um, things that I used to love to do, like maybe shop or go out to eat or, um, certain friendships, everything kind of went flat.

It’s like everything lost its luster. And I felt like, um, the only way I can liken it to anything, uh, after my father died, I went through a period of time like that. It’s like a loss. It’s a grieving period, uh, that you just, uh, nothing, Satisfies you or makes you happy. And then you stood then like I get a lot of clients and I understand them when they say it.

And I think it’s why I had the experience I did. I just want to put that thing back in the bottle. I can’t stand my life since this happened. Nothing’s fun anymore. And I very much felt like that. But there’s no putting it back. Once that cap has been popped, you’re not. putting it back. Uh, so I just remember feeling at times that I wish this would go away because this isn’t fun.

Um, and then seeing lots of things about myself, uh, that I was trying to govern and change, you know, that I didn’t like, uh, not realizing, uh, your experience causes you to, feel certain ways. You’re not a bad person. Uh, if you’re jealous or if you’re controlling, uh, you had something occur in your experience that caused you to choose an emotion that simply got stuck in you.

That’s basically what happened because you don’t like the feel of it. Um, and then you start to see it represented in a mirror over and over in your life. And, and the more you see it, the more you hate yourself in it. And so I went through a lot of that. Um, and it wasn’t until later and I actually had the channeling experience.

No, this is like 20 some years later, um, that I started to really recognize that I was doing that to myself that, and I don’t think a lot of people understand that you have a choice. You can decide that when you feel something, uh, or you see something that you know that you’ve asked for this, that you really want this awakening.

You want this awakening. Uh, to let this process pass through you, uh, hopefully as quickly as possible. Uh, and when you are grateful and appreciative, when you see things, um, in yourself that you don’t prefer, uh, they move out very quickly. It, they don’t stay with you. The universe is always connected to you in the way that you feel and your spiritual journey is no different.

You have a right to experience that in the way that you want to. Uh, if you start experiencing something in negativity that you don’t like the feel of, you can make a decision that you. You want to be grateful and appreciative for what you’ve been shown and then ask that these things be moved out of your field very quickly and you will be accommodated in that request.

Guy:
Okay, so looking back on that journey, and I know you, you would never change anything because that’s how and who you are today now because of these experiences, but let’s say the Robin of 40 came to you as a client now, and you’re here with all this wisdom, what would you advise her to do differently in those moments to help navigate through?

Robin:
Um, well, one of the things that I do the most and, and I would describe that when I’m in a session with someone, I always say it’s like slipping on a jacket, which is them. Um, I can really feel what it is that they’re carrying and, um, how they feel about themselves and their experience. And so, uh, You know, I remember being that way, and I very quickly, um, do my best, my very best, and I do this in interviews, too, to let people know I am far from perfect, and I’m not living a perfect life, but yet I wake up every day, and those buggers are still here, using me as a vehicle, so it, it, and what I’m getting better at is is not judging and condemning myself when I’m not perfect.

I’m getting a little better at that, but I’m not even doing that. Uh, now that I’ve realized that key, now that I understand that as long as I don’t judge and as long as I don’t condemn, I won’t separate. Um, then the flow is very natural. And, and so what I really spend a good part of Uh, time with people is, is getting them to be likened to me, to understand that I’m a human just like them, and I’m not, they don’t have to be different.

They have to get this belief built within themselves, this perception of, of, uh, what they have start, um, been passed on to them to believe about themselves. That is not true. Uh, and I feel like I do a good job doing that. I think people find me to be relatable. Uh, you know, I’m not afraid to say that I have negativity.

I’m not afraid to say that, uh, I have some stinking thoughts sometimes that I wish I didn’t have. Um, but what I am getting better at with the assistance of flow. It’s not me doing it. Uh, and it’s just an understanding. It’s a knowing that this is what it takes to be human, that you’re never going to stop feeling.

You’re never going to have a puffy life, a cream puff or whatever you want to call it. Um, and, and of course, uh, it can get better. Uh, you can start to create from joy and happiness because as your tone raises. Based upon how you feel about yourself. It doesn’t have anything to do with being perfect as you start to lift in the opinion that you have of yourself, then things that are matched to that that have already been created because everything that we want is culminated in the moment that we feel something and it doesn’t matter whether that’s a positive or negative thought.

The divine vibration is very high. And it knows the preference that you have by what you feel. Um, and so people will say, well, I’ve been doing this for years. When am I going to, you know, get what I want? And I want to make them understand that what they want is created. So what isn’t created is their connection to it in the way that they love themselves.

Once they get that understanding, um, Then then this life, whatever it is that would satisfy them, you know, it comes in automatically. Some people think getting stuff is a bad thing. You know, we are creators and we are in a plane, a material plane. Um, and so experiencing things and, and, wanting things isn’t a bad thing.

And certainly after we get them, we can decide, did they make me feel in fact the way that I thought they would? Maybe they don’t. Uh, maybe you do become one of those people that say, I don’t need anything. I don’t need things. Great. Uh, that doesn’t mean you’re better than everybody else. It doesn’t mean that you’re higher than someone else.

It means that you’ve experienced something and decided that that thing wasn’t the right thing for you. Okay.

Guy:
I love it. I love it. Otherwise, we’re just playing from the ego. And we’re going back into a hierarchy. Oh, I’m spiritually better than you. You know, it’s, it’s ridiculous. Really. Um, you know, and one thing I’ve really learned to.

Uh come with my life is that if i’m not having fun along the way what’s the point You know to to ensure that there’s joy laughter love in our life and um And that for me, that’s the nucleus of of our house our family and and what we we emanate out there You know first and foremost.

Robin:
You know, and I don’t know. I can’t speak for you, but a lot of people and including myself, the spiritual journey is not fun. It wasn’t fun. And it wasn’t a lot of laughing. It was a lot of judging, a lot of condemning, a lot of suffering. And that’s just not how it should be. I think that there’s some dogma somewhere that’s gotten attached to this, where this Efforting and this struggling and this, uh, uh, watching over ourselves in the way that we think and feel, um, has kind of just sucked the pleasure right out of it.

Guy: and Like, like I spoke of, I get the, the joy of being in front of people all the time, okay, and, and presenting that place and the work can get really heavy. , the situations can feel really heavy because naturally people are dealing with some really challenging traumas and aspects in our lives.

And. We always say at the start is that while we, uh, take the work very seriously and what we do, we don’t take ourselves too seriously. And it’s amazing how much you can lighten a room and just create some laughter and joy in between the moments so we can actually self reflect and, and it really, um, It really is a healing energy and it really can diffuse certain situations and allow information to be received and bring people together in such a way, otherwise we’re just closed off, we’re just completely removed from each other and that disconnection is not allowing us to feel connected to ourselves and the divine.

And we see it all the time. So it’s, it’s a good thing. Yeah,

Robin:
I’m just curious if I could ask you a question, uh, when you had your Kundalini rising, uh, did you have any indication or anything that you look back on that you saw was starting to occur that, uh, maybe would have given you a hint or an idea that that was coming or was it just a spontaneous thing? Uh

Guy:
it was coming. I’d been I’ve been heavily Meditating for months and months and months and months. I was clearly on a a quest Several years before that. I actually did a shamanic journey with ayahuasca and that really opened up something in me but I wanted to see if that was the psychedelics or was that actually the experience and so forth and it really sent me on a different trajectory because I kind of felt like I knew what I was looking for now because I’d already had that reference point.

So I would literally every morning without fail, And I remember I used to live under the Sydney flight path airport. I bought these noise cancellation headphones because the airplanes would start coming in from 5am onwards, but I’d sit there and just go through the centers. Now during that time, there were In the space of about a month, I had done a sound healing session who I now work with Matt where I felt a huge amount of grief pour out my heart from the healing of my dad

Robin:
Uh huh.

Guy:
and that was really profound.

Um, so I felt there was these, these movements and then I had this one on one with this lady Um, who actually got in with the body. She was using the breath. Um, but then I felt by the end of the session for the first time, I felt this energy start to move through my body. And I was like, Oh my God. And by the end of it, I actually felt really expanded out almost outside of it.

And that was really fascinating. So there’s these two components that I think really started to move the needle. And then I was in meditation and the next thing I know I could feel it wanting to go and it just went and all my muscles contracted. Everything started to happen. Um, I wasn’t actually aware of the word Kundalini at the time, believe it or not.

I was just exploring. I knew energy would move and, and I had the foresight to lay down and surrender into it and, and let it move. And I had the most absolutely beautiful experience. And Um, a being came in and started to work on my shoulder. And I remember just laying in this orange cocoon. I don’t know how long it was in this, in this meditation.

I’m just surrendering to as my body settled down and it was just mind blowing.

Robin:
Yeah. So did that precipitate a channeling experience for you? Are you a channeler presently or, or is that, and anything like that occurs afterwards?

Guy:
well, it’s, it’s, it’s interesting that you say that I, I, I, when I hold space, different beings come in and they, they use me as a conduit of energy. So Um, it’ll come through my voice or it’ll come through my hands. Um, but they come in like a cloak and I can really feel them merge with my field as that resonance, not every time, but majority of the times now when that happens and they work, just use me as the conduit to work through me as we, as we hold that space. So,

Robin:
not all channelers are, uh, Kundalini activated, but those that are almost always become channelers.

Guy:
right. I, I actually, I’m resisting a part of it still. I can feel. There’s something more my my son is eight months old. My daughter’s four And my life is chaotic right now in a beautiful way. Don’t get me wrong Um, you know, so it’s up and down all over the place. So meditation routines and all that it’s like well have an eight month old son and see how you go because it it really is, um, And I surrender to it.

I love it. Like, you know, it’s that for me Being as present as I can as a dad is the most important thing right now. So there’s, I feel there’s, there’s a, there’s a baton I’ll be picking up again

Robin:
Yeah. Well, you know, those entities know that when someone has fully activated Kundalini, they have great magnetism and they want to operate through people who have active Kundalini because there’s a large spread rate or ability to be, um, teach or spread that teaching more. So it’s very attractive quality.

It’s not that you can’t channel without it, but it makes you more spreadable if you do have that going on. Yeah.

Guy:
It makes sense. And for me, I still meditate on my energy centers to this day when I can, um, and still work through them. I think it’s, it’s a critical part of the journey. I really do and and i’m a simple guy from the welsh valleys, you know what I mean, and I I need things presented to me simply so I can understand them and apply them and for me There’s a logic part of my brain that With the energy center, especially once you start to feel them and work with them and feel those traumas releasing or moving or whatever It might be coming through it makes perfect sense and Allowing your vessel to be more open for more prana and light to come through At the end of the day and become more of your whole self without a doubt.

Yeah, so, um talking of channeling when did You realize that um, you were going to be channeling like when did they start showing up or what started happening for you?

Robin:
yeah. So, um, you know, it’s really kind of funny. I don’t know if you had, well, you’re not doing the channeling yet, but I had a feeling, um, well, I had the Kundalini rise in my forties. I knew that channeling could be related to it. Cause I had done enough reading to understand that concept. Um, and I would forget, you know, what’s odd about the Kundalini and I don’t know if you could, uh, agree or not agree with this is, uh, it can, it can go dormant.

Like it can go years where there’s nothing going on and then all of a sudden you’re thrown all over the room doing kriyas and you’re drawn to all kinds of practices and you’re back on the horse again. Um, and it just, it comes in waves. It comes and goes. It’s not always, and I don’t know if it’s related to periods in your life because mine’s pretty constant now.

And I feel as though there’s something impending, you know, maybe there’s something else I’ll, I’ll channel or in a different way. I automatic writings definitely, uh, been a big part. Now it’s something that I do all the time and I find it to even be. Uh, higher level and more detailed than what I do verbally.

So, there’s things that are always coming, like the telepathy, things are changing, and it’s based upon what you can perceive and believe and hold. So, even the channeling experience, it’s no different than, uh, becoming anything else in your life. You have to, you know, uh, Make a little bit of an effort or have some understanding of what you’re doing in order to create that in your experience.

So, um, yeah, I’ve just noticed that especially now that I have more time and I don’t have Children at home and, you know, my husband and I are retired, uh, there’s a lot more activity, a lot more of me being drawn to sit time, a lot of facial contortions, noises, uh, you know, my body being shook and moved around in all different, Ways and positions, uh, lots of mudras, which I’ve never been taught or know how to do that come automatically over my body, things like

Guy:
what a motorist

Robin:
uh, there are automatic signs and oftentimes they’ll, uh, come in my hands and, um, I can repeat 30 different ones on one hand and I’ve recorded it and the same thing will happen on the other side.

So it’s, it’s this, uh, automatic, uh, yeah. I don’t know, automatic mudras, uh, some type of healing, uh, that goes on that’s coming through one of the entities that I channel, um, I used to ask names, I don’t do that anymore, uh, they, they go under that name, Athena in Truth, but, um, what I’m beginning to understand is, uh, merging or, uh, telepathy, that’s a concept that’s used throughout the universe.

And that’s how people, or if you want to call them people, or consciousnesses, let’s call them that, communicate by merging, just by feeling and knowing, um, uh, what it is that, uh, someone thinks. And, uh, the reason the name Athena and Truth, uh, was, meaningful or why it was chosen. Um, and what my group tells me is, is truth is love.

Uh, and that’s why when you move to the stage of telepathy and you hear the pure truth of what someone feels and thinks, you’re not offended by it. You’re, you’re at that same level of perception that they’re offering it in. Um, and it doesn’t have the same effect as maybe our words would in third dimensional reality.

Guy:
wow, and When you started channeling, are you able to have your own conversation with them

Robin:
No , that’s what I say. They’re not a whole lot of good for me. Uh, once in a while, uh, I will, um, I definitely will get a, a knowing or uh, an understanding. And it’s difficult because, um, if I wanna know something and I’m thinking about it, my consciousness is obviously in ’cause I’m thinking. So they can’t come in and answer.

Uh, and then if I run outside and ask my husband, Hey, you ask him for me, then I start listening for the answer. So now. out of commission again. So it’s not that much help for me, but what it is a help is there is a natural lift in my consciousness that’s occurring just by doing the work, just by allowing the transmissions to go through me and to be in that state of channeling or that level of vibration.

Um, there’s some very nice changes that I’ve noticed in myself that have come without effort that have just kind of showed up. Um, so that’s how I would explain it. And you know, what’s odd about this is When you become a channel, you realize that you have the ability through those energy centers to draw in an answer to whatever it is that you’re asking, so I don’t have that many questions anymore.

I pretty much know I have a knowing or an understanding in my experience about what I’m feeling when I’m feeling it very quickly, and that’s just coming through that. open state or those energy centers being opened, that transfer of information. And so one of the lovely things, and I used to enjoy it, but I felt like when I was on a spiritual path and I was reading all these books and doing all these things, that I was desperately looking for something outside of myself.

And the minute that I, um, had this, uh, channeling experience occurred, that search stopped. There’s no more looking in a book. There’s no more looking outside of myself. There’s just me, um, having a thought and getting a knowing and accepting that. As the response that I need to get and so it’s it’s peaceful again.

I think life sometimes for people that are into this journey for some of them 1520 years and even longer, they’re frustrated and they’re they’re irritated and and feel as though it’s a lot of struggle and work and I get that because I went through that phase, but I’m not in that anymore.

Guy:
Yeah, I hear you. I hear you and What would like they’ve they’ve showed up and they’re they’re channeling through you if you had to summarize What their overall arc and message is like, why are they doing it? Why are they here? Why now in this in this particular period in time?

Robin:
Well, I would answer that question probably in in two ways. First of all, in my experience, and I think if other channelers pondered this, it would probably be the same for them. We are attracting to ourselves the type of entities that we channel that are a match to us. So in, in my, I think I’ve done recordings before that I talked about having a lack of confidence.

I carried a little weight when I was a child and, and all of those types of things kind of eroded my confidence. And even when I lost the weight and went out into the world and got good at things, I never really felt that way. I never really felt confident in a lot of ways. And so in, in my sit time or pondering time, I was, asking myself or the universe, uh, when am I going to get some confidence?

I’m 60 years old, you know, it’s getting kind of to the end of my tennis grip, you know, at that time. And that’s when, uh, the breath of Athena, uh, came. That’s when I felt my head go back and a voice in my head, uh, which again is like, uh, it’s not really talking. It’s just, uh, unknowing. I don’t know how to explain it.

Uh, but there was a transmission that came. This is what it feels like for a woman to be in her confidence. How do you like how this feels? And I knew it wasn’t me. I felt my whole body move in a different way. I felt my head get thrown back. So that was my first experience with it. Um, so in, in my estimation, uh, I brought that experience to myself in the way that it satisfied me.

There are many things that satisfy in the channeling experience that I’m doing. Uh, I’m not a really. outspoken or person that’s going to tell somebody what I think I’m not that way. However, the group that I channel is very direct and very quick to, um, be pungent if they have to be, uh, in any exchange that I’m in.

And so I get to experience as Robin sometimes, Oh boy, what would that feel like to actually be in wholeness, to actually be able to communicate in confidence and in, um, Uh, that open state that they come through and so, uh, you know, to so that’s how I would explain it to you that that’s kind of how it came to me.

What was the second part of your question that I kind of veered off again? I’m sorry about that.

Guy:
No, that’s pretty much, that’s answered it. That’s fine. That’s fine. I just, as we come towards the end of the podcast though, I’m, I’m thinking of a few things. You, you’ve got a book called Choose Your Universe, which I love the title, by the way. Um,

Robin:
Oh, I know. Let me let them come in and tell you why they’re here. That’s what you asked me, I think.

Guy:
ah, okay. That’s right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Robin:
Uh, we’ll tell you why we’re here. Yeah, we are the debunkers, the ones that are coming to get rid of what’s been actually causing a lag time, uh, or a not expansion time on your plane. People have lost their common sense. They’ve lost their ability to know themselves. They’ve lost their ability to be in their truth.

Uh, it is why we have come to the plane. Yeah, we are here to let humans know that they are of love, that they are, uh, completely and unconditionally supported in all that they feel in their lives, that there’s nothing that they have to do over, that there’s nothing that they need to do differently than what they’ve been doing, uh, that they, they can just surrender to life.

That’s what we want them to do. We want them to stop policing themselves, stop governing themselves, stop judging, stop contempt, condemning, go out and live. Have some fun. Yeah. Many humans on a spiritual path, as Robin said, and her being a sufferer herself, we would tell you, was a good candidate for us to come in and relieve her suffering by letting her know that she didn’t need to be perfect.

She didn’t need to hum in a corner. She didn’t need to meditate all day unless, of course, she loved it. Yeah. She is here to live her life in the way that she chooses to, that makes her feel connected, that makes her feel joyful. Uh, this is the message that we have come to teach. We’re activators and activators.

Guy:
Absolutely. As a society, one question I have for you. How have we lost our way? Why has it got to this point? I feel many of us, including myself, was very disconnected from, from spirit

Robin:
Yeah, well, many humans, when they lived during times when they were responsible for their own food, when they were responsible for their own roof over their head, and all of the things that they needed to provide for themselves, were actually the things that caused them to have the good sense. To have the good direction to feel their fellow man in what it is that they are going through that is similar to them and to be able to offer to them what it is that they need at the time, uh, in order to make their struggle a little bit less, uh, as you moved into, uh, what you would call how more socialistic we’re not, uh, trying to, uh, uh, favor one side or the other.

It is not our desire to cast a vote. That is not what we were doing. But what we want you to know that is as a human becomes powerless. Okay. Thank you. As a human becomes looked out for or taken care of, they actually have no need for their power, do they? And so they begin to disconnect from it. They begin to lose their knowing of it and rely on others for it.

You see?

Guy:
Wow. How beautiful. Start to love thy neighbor again.

Robin:
Yes.

Guy:
With the challenges that are going on in 2024, I mean, not that I watch the news or media, but there seems to be a lot of projection of how much turmoil there is in the world and how much we must rely upon the systems that are in place for them to be supporting us.

And I feel it’s very disempowering. This is just my perception.

Robin:
Uh, we do not subscribe to any type of, frenetic or worry, , condemnation or judgment of what the future might hold. Yeah. Uh, if you were to understand that every single thing that every human is capable of, Feeling is being lifted and that a solution is being provided in the moment that they are asking for one in whatever way that they are feeling, then that worry would just go out of your head, wouldn’t it?

When has there ever been a time where you have not been able to transcend what it is that you have experienced? Those that come along with the fearful explanations or the things that you need to worry about are really exposing one thing. their own fear, their own vulnerability is what they are exposing.

Uh, if, if you were to look at COVID and someone was to tell you that you were going to be locked up inside of a house with a mask on for a period of two years, you would have gone into a state of panic, but yet you did it. Didn’t you, you navigated it, you got through it. Uh, and now as you look back on it, uh, you realize that there were even some things that were benefited.

because of it. And so what we want you to understand is no matter what it is that’s coming, no matter what it is that you have to go through in this rise of consciousness for this new world to enter, you’re going to survive it. You are capable of surviving what it is that you have created. But what we want you to tell, really understand today is that one person in alignment In an alignment we mean in the knowing that they have created a wonderful world that is waiting to enter into the plane that they are now upon.

One person in that perception or belief has such a huge influence over those that are unknowing of it or don’t understand it, yeah? And so, worry about yourself in feeling joyful, in feeling aligned, in feeling hopeful, in feeling knowing that everything that has ever been felt has been satisfied by the divine part of you and the part of the whole at the same time.

And so there is a third dimensional reality that you live in, of which contrast is a great part of, or what you would call suffering to create. But there is also This fifth dimensional level of reality begins at fifth dimension, where you create from happiness and joy and love. And this is the level of which the source begins to receive you and then lift the emotions that you are feeling to the higher level or octave of what you have felt.

And so right alongside what you do not prefer, something that you do prefer has been created. We have told you that in order for a human to receive into their personal experience, what they are wanting to experience, they need to align to themself in the love of themselves. More and more people who do this will eventually create the tipping point where the new world as a whole, uh, your whole population together will bring in the new world right alongside of this old world.

You will be lifted into it and be able to perceive something quite differently than what you are presently seeing. perceiving. You have this universe around you that you are creating by what you are observing and feeling and thinking about. This is your personal universe. And then as you choose in that personal universe, this is added to the whole, or what you would call your mass conscious.

As you, as a conscientious being, start to recognize the power that you have in holding in positivity, in holding an expectation of what it is that you prefer, instead of the fear of what others are projecting, you will start to align. to the new world, and you will suck it right into your universe. So basically, everyone around you could be in financial trouble.

They could be, uh, having all types of difficulties, but you yourself in your universe would not be experiencing the same result they were. You see, you would feel quite differently.

Guy:
Wow. So, ultimately, the most self empowering thing we could do is become the person that we want to see the change in the world.

Robin:
Absolutely. Uh, you probably have seen on many spiritual channels where, uh, there is a great deal, uh, or number of watchers of information that is panic driven. Uh, well, look what’s coming in 2024. Uh, watch out. This is going to happen. Yeah. Uh, the aliens are going to arrive. There is all kinds of panic based predictions that are all over your news and your Internet.

And so what we are saying again is what is stimulated in you as you view that. That’s what you need to pay attention to, not the fact it is not about any circumstance or situation. It’s about what it provokes within you. Then you know that you are fearful. Then you know that you do not feel you have control over your own experience.

Then you know something, don’t you? You know something different than you knew before you got that information. So we’re not saying it isn’t useful. It’s useful as a tool for uncovering the negativity that a human is unknowingly holding within themselves that is causing them to be fearful in those situations.

Guy:
Beautiful. Thank you so much. Is there anything else you’d like to leave the listeners to ponder on before we wrap things up?

Robin:
Uh, well, we know that you have talked about the Kundalini energy and what Robin has said, it is true that this is an energy that entities such as ourselves and others are anxious to use because it does have a spreadability or a magnetism that is created in a human when they have this. Yeah. So what is a Kundalini rising?

Uh, it isn’t necessarily, uh, the, uh, channeling experience. Uh, what happens when a Kundalini rising occurs and it reaches the crown, the human becomes connected to the divinity part of themselves. They begin to channel the wisdom and the knowledge, uh, of every lifetime that they have ever lived is available to them.

So the same kind of flow or the ability to speak publicly would be, uh, added to the human, uh, who was actually, uh, So they would, uh, in their state, uh, in an interviewed state, uh, would have the same type of flow that we have. You see,

Guy:
Beautiful. Thank you so much. Thank you for sharing your wisdom today.

Robin:
good day.

Guy:
Wow, Robin, welcome back. Do you do it? It’s interesting. The switch there is just wow. You’re like

Robin:
Yeah, there’s no lag time for me. I kind of like it that way. Um, it just in and out, uh, I don’t ever worry about like negative energies or doing any kind of a practice or any of those types of things. Um, they’re thought provoked. So if I, if I think about them, they, they come forward. Um, I’m not thinking about them.

I just go about my life and, and it doesn’t happen.

Guy:
Wow. Yeah, that’s great. I’m so glad you uh spontaneously they come in Um, so just to wrap things up you do have a book choose your universe Is that on? Um, is that just hard copy? Do you do an audible version as well? Do you know

Robin:
Paperback, Audible, uh, it’s, it’s both ways, uh, Kindle, I think it’s on there too, um, and it’s on Amazon, and I do have, uh, a, a lot of courses that are offered on my website at Athena Truth, uh, I have another website called Athena Universe where I do, um, automatic writing, transmissions that go out regularly, recorded transmissions that people get regularly, and I also have, uh, Uh, a new option called Ask Athena, where sometimes someone has something pressing in their life that they need an answer to or some assistance with.

Uh, so I take emailed questions, uh, from people and generate a response to them rather than them having to book a session. Uh, and all of that is available either on athenaandtruth. com or athenauniverse. com.

Guy:
beautiful because I noticed you got youtube as well. Are you

Robin:
That’s all.

Guy:
on it? You

Robin:
Yeah, Heidi and I, my sister, do that regularly. At least we’re trying to get real current doing it at least once a week. We invite other channelers on there. Sometimes we pick a topic together and we just do that. So yeah, there’s a lot of other things that and free material of recordings that are on that website as well.

Guy:
Wow, look at you go. Busy, busy. That’s fantastic. Getting it out there. Well done. And is there, um, the links will be in the show notes for everyone if they want to book a session with you or come and check out your work for sure. I have no doubt you’ll get quite a response after today. But, um, is there anything else you want to leave the listeners to ponder on yourself, Robin?

Robin:
Yeah, you know, I I just think the most important thing that I’ve learned in the entire spiritual journey is to just really trust that, uh, you don’t need to be perfect and that this connection is available to you. Um, but it does come through belief, you know, anything that we do, we go out and do things that make us believe that it’s possible.

And, and it’s the same with your spirituality. You can experience it any way that you want to, uh, you don’t have to stand there like this. There’s a lot of people that want to channel, um, and they think they’ll take it any way it will come. You don’t have to do it that way. Uh, you can watch people and love what they’re doing and add that to your universe.

You very much can direct that. How you want to feel in what it is that you do. Um, and that’s the advice that I would give to people to really put yourself in the driver’s seat and know that you’re the creator of your experience. And that includes the channeling experience. If you want to do it, um, you have to look around and decide, uh, what would really feel good to you, what really aligns with you, and then add that to your universe and that’s the way to get it.

Guy:
Beautiful. Thank you so much, Robin, for coming on the show. Thoroughly enjoyed our conversation. And, uh, yeah, thanks for sharing so honestly and openly. I really appreciate it.

Robin:
Thank you. Likewise.