#266 In this episode, Guy talked with Phil, who had a transformative experience during a four-day workshop. They discussed the power of going deep within oneself and the importance of human connection. Phil shared how the workshop asked thought-provoking questions that made him reflect on his life. Despite initially expecting a casual environment, he found the experience to be a lot of work, but ultimately rewarding. Both Guy and Phil emphasize the relatability of personal transformation and the gratitude for the opportunity to connect with others on this journey.
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About Phil: Phil Pollard is a commanding relationship and mindset coach, who knows what it takes to make people excel and achieve their goals in every area of life. Phil is a fully qualified trainer and coach in the area of Personal Breakthroughs and Neuro Associative Conditioning as well as a Master in Neuro Linguistic Programming techniques. He is known to understand what makes individuals, couples and businesses excel, and win in the area of relationships.
The last 5 years has seen Phil working in some of the remotest Indigenous communities in Australia assisting Community Leaders in getting amazing results. Phil is also a master of corporate training and exploring the vital relationships between managers and staff, and the all-important customer relationships. In 2013 Phil wrote ‘Launch Into Your Ideal Life’ which is available on Amazon, and is currently working on his second book ‘Launch Into Your Ideal Relationship’. Phil also hosted the TV program ‘Coaches on the Coach’ which ran for 2 seasons.
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Key Points Discussed:
- (00:00) – I Could SEE Other SOULS. Cancer Journey Ignites Spiritual Awakening
- (04:29) – The three parts of life.
- (10:05) – Connectedness and unity.
- (13:44) – Cancer and acceptance.
- (19:58) – Raising awareness on this planet.
- (24:00) – Sound meditation and community.
- (29:18) – Sound therapy.
- (30:01) – Removing expectations and connecting.
- (36:22) – Witnessing a powerful energetic shift.
- (38:01) – The power of transformative experiences.
- (43:07) – Rude disruption and self-discovery.
- (48:20) – Long-term strategy and accountability.
How to Contact Phil Pollard:
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My website:
www.guylawrence.com.au
www.liveinflow.co
TRANSCRIPT
Phil (00:00):
There’s somewhere where you imagine yourself sitting above yourself, like just take your imagination out and take a look around. I remember inside the meditation I could see other souls, like I’m not my body. We’re all connected, we’re all together. It was like, oh God, there was no such thing as a stranger unless we make them that.
Guy (00:35):
Phil, welcome to the podcast.
Phil (00:37):
Hey, my pleasure, Guy. What an honor. Yeah. Great to be in your company, mate.
Guy (00:42):
One thing I’ve noticed with the podcast is that when I bring people on that have experienced our work and gone through a bit of a journey and people always reach out to me, thanking me, I think because they’re so relatable, because we’re all human at the end of the day. And sometimes if we have a New York Times bestselling book and we’re filling seminars with thousands of people and I get them on the podcast, it feels very untangible. And so when I reach out to you and you said you’d come on the show, I’m truly grateful. So thank you, Phil. Thank you.
Phil (01:22):
It’s totally my pleasure, Guy. I mean, the four days I spent with you guys, the three of you, transformational would be an understatement. I came into that. I guess we try to put expectations behind us. I sort of expecting, well, that’s a great environment. It’s going to be like just a bit of a party. But it was a lot of work as in I had to like the questions you were asking was like, I had to go deep inside myself. And just that alone was like, oh my God, questions I hadn’t considered. Yeah. But to come out of that, to be connected to everyone, like we’re all traveling this, as you said, this one a blue blob flying around a yellow chunk of fire. And we’ve done this journey together. And you’re able to create that sense of, well, we are in this together. Totally. And the sense of oneness. We were all connected.
Guy (02:33):
So I want to ask you then, bringing that connection in. And I remember you wandering in actually into our one day workshop in Melbourne that we ran in, I believe it was February 2023. Correct.
Phil (02:52):
It was, I definitely remember these dates this year because it was 10 days after I was diagnosed with cancer. And it was for the second time. I was given a diagnosis two years earlier. And I went through a process about from between April of 2021 to August 21 where I went through chemo, radiation, and I had a major operation. I took my stomach out and well part of the esophagus. And I said, we’ve got it all. All good. You should be a cancer free. Six months was all clear. 12 months was all clear. 18 months. I’m expecting the all clear again. And it’s like, guess what? Shown up and it’s shown up at the joint. And I’m like, well, I’ve got to look at this philosophically now. I said, what is this? Because I was fairly fit for my age. You know, I was of good build. I’m 30 kilos less now. But and mentally what I do, my works in the, I work around mental health and I work in the, I work in the mindset field around coaching. And I was like, well, my head’s right. My body’s right. What am I missing? Oh my God. And it hit me in the face. And I thought, this is why I’ve got this kick in the gut. It’s my spiritual side. Whatever that looks like. And I found someone who traveled the cancer route and 19 years ago he was given six months to live. So I thought, well, there’s someone worth listening to because he’s traveled. And he said, there’s three parts to all of this. It’s not just our food intake and it’s our physicality as well as number two, but it’s their spiritual soul as well. And it’s a side of me I was aware of, but never jumped into it. Got it. Wow. And I was like, well, what can I do? I need to pursue this more. And the first step I come across was meditation. My friends have been telling me meditation and yoga. They’re the two best things to raise your awareness about where you are on your journey of life here and to understand which is where where this soul encapsulated in a meat suit, walking around thinking there’s division because we’re trapped within our five senses. And it’s like, what’s outside of that? And I started to become inquisitive. And the more inquisitive I became, the more came at me. Because as you wear guard the universe, as you start exploring things, we’ll keep giving you things that match your vibration and match your curiosity.
Guy (05:39) :
So a question for you then. Did when you were diagnosed and you said that you wandered into the workshop 10 days later, did you only find living flow within those 10 days? Yeah. Wow.
Phil (05:52):
Yeah, I did. It was like the universe just went, got a big slap and said, dude, we’re giving you this kick in the guts again because the first time around, you didn’t quite get it. And and everything just went, my friend said, you got to do this and this. And of course, when you speak to the universe and Facebook, it picks it up. And this intrigued me. I never heard of sound meditation. And I was like, I am intrigued. And then, of course, it appeared again the next day. And I thought, wow, OK. All right. Thanks, universe. I mean, and I hopped on my bike and rode into Collingwood. And it was probably the best experience. I still talk about that day as being a life changing for me.
Guy (06:44):
I remember it. I ever since that day, my then, when you came to the retreat afterwards, I was so happy because you really, you really went for it, which is beautiful. Beautiful, because quite often when we come to a one day workshop, I mean, there were 85 people in that room. It was it was a full, full house. And it’s obviously confronting for people to walk into a room full of strangers and to truly surrender. We understand that, you know, because we spend the day ensuring people start to connect and and get to know each other and feel safe. And our guards slowly start to drop. And, you know, as we build a relationship of safety and trust, it’s critical. Very well. Yeah. Thank you. And it’s critical for this work. Right. And so when you walked in, obviously, there’s a there’s, you know, there’s been a diagnosis. There’s a there’s a there’s a pressure that’s pushed you into action in a big way. So you’ve come in and just gone for it. You know, you know, you’re like 1000 percent all in, which is beautiful, beautiful. So how would you describe the day and your experience of what happened when you came out and people asked you, well, how did the one day, you know, mini retreat go with us in Melbourne?
Phil (08:15):
Yeah. And that’s what happened. Like the next day at work, I just wanted to share. And I was like, hey, was yesterday. And I went, I was like, mind blown. It was it was an experience that it would be hard to put into words like most experiences are because as far as experiences go, it’s an experiential program. So and there’s three meditations you do in that day, the first one sitting up in the chair. And it was it was interesting to listen to the feedback after you did the first meditation, because some people say, I’m trying to get it right. And you had a bit of a laugh to yourself. I remember because too many people go into meditation trying to get it right. And I’ve done a few meditations leading up quite a number of meditations leading up to this. And I was just like, I’m surrendering. And I think that was the that’s the word that my my cancer that appeared this time is giving me like surrender to moments. There’s no there’s no way to do it. There’s no way to do it. I surrender to it. And inside the surrender, you’re going to get transformation and you’re going to find ways and answers. So I surrender to it. And I mean, my memory is hazy for a fair because so much has gone on. But there’s some way we should imagine yourself sitting above yourself, like just take your imagination out and take a look around. And I remember inside of that conversation, inside the meditation, I could see other souls. I know it sounds a bit out there for some people. For some not not in our department. No, not in your department. Oh, God, I am like, I’m not my body. And there’s a whole thing inside of me, the that that spirit or the energy or the source of connectedness for each and every single one of us on this planet. We’re all connected. We’re all together. We’re like, oh, God, there is no such thing as a stranger unless we make them that. And there is no such thing as someone who’s not us. We’re all just reflections of us. And I am not in this alone. I don’t have anything. I am part of something. And that alone, like having that vision, even though I’m sitting on a chair with my eyes closed and being guided to a place that I hadn’t been before. Totally, totally amazing.
Guy (10:59):
And then and then because I remember I remember I was observed for whatever reason, because obviously we’re in the space and we get through the day. I kept getting drawn to you. And I was observing you throughout the day because I felt you know, here’s a man on a mission here. He’s on a journey. And I was observing you because you know, you were just you were just present and you were doing everything and just like a sponge taking it on. And then and then because just to explain to people through the one days, we have a process where we continue to build upon each other. So we ensure we get a big foundation set in place as we go deeper with each process for the work. And collectively, when you bring three processes together, it’s powerful because you start to build an understanding and the conscious mind starts to let go. So by the time the third process, which we work with sound in the afternoon and where everyone then starts to lay down, there’s there’s a really great foundation and an understanding of where we’re going with it before we get there and maybe share a little bit about that because.
Phil (12:13):
That experience was was the life changing month for me. I remember I think it was Matt that said the music’s going to get well, the sound’s going to get quite loud. And and you talk us through a breathing exercise to to cope with anything. And we we did this breathing exercise for a minute or two. And you said, no, we’re going to do for 11 minutes now. That was like, OK, this challenge. And I listened to the music and it was quite loud. My conscious mind would go, oh, boy, that’s loud.
Phil (12:48):
But I concentrated back on the breathing and the music disappeared. Even that was there. And I was in I began to go deep into a meditation. And I could hear drums like sound balls. It was the beautiful didgerido going and it was like a place of peace and love. And I felt this tapping right here. And I did a half square and you actually kept me and you point into your chest. Just so you know, yes. Yeah.
Phil (13:23):
I went to my chest, my breastplate. This felt this tap and I looked and you weren’t doing that through everyone. Some people you would just hold your hand over and others you might touch them on the shoulder and fall. And it was different places for different people. And I haven’t talked to anyone about my own like the cancer I had. I hadn’t spoken to anyone in that room about it because I was trying to keep that. That’s not the reason I’m here because I’m here to learn about journeys. But when you asked to share and it was it was definitely quiet. I remember it well. And you said surely someone wants to share. And I thought, no, I won’t put this into the room. And then I found my hand creeping up above my head. And I looked over my head, my hand was up and you said, yeah, the guy in the purple down the back. And I looked around. There was no one else in purple except me. And it just I shared my experience. I said, I don’t know how you knew how you knew anything was there with me. But I felt a shift. And when you did that tapping on my chest plate, even though my eyes were closed, there was an explosion of reds and purples and yellows inside my meditation. And I was like, oh, my God, that’s two of their sacred moments and things that happen to people in their life when you least expect it. And I mean, I’ve done some mad stuff in my life. You know, I ride motorbikes every day and I used to train as a most local trainer. I was like, we did some mad stuff. But that’s I would call that like talking about what I say mad is make a difference. And I was like that made a massive difference to me. I was like, oh, my God, that’s why I’m here. I got it. I need to explore more. And of course, you said you run the trades now. I’d be crazy not to go to one after that experience to find what the next level is going to make. And the retreat didn’t disappoint.
Guy (15:34):
Yeah, of course. Yeah. No, it was beautiful and it’s beautiful to witness and watching you come out of that one day. And because when I see that look in your face and that you can’t it’s priceless. You can’t fake that. It’s it’s it’s very real. And there’s a there’s a there’s a fundamental shift in a positive way. That’s beyond our awareness. When you had that shift, what do you think it’s done for you in life in general? It’s at that point, you know, because because I think people struggle to they go chasing it. They they they they chase the experiences quite often just to run away from their problems as opposed to go within and to to let let things reveal to themselves. You know, and for me, I was I was that guy once and I had those shifts, you know, and it was like, oh, OK.
Phil (16:33):
Yeah, I guess the biggest thing for me was the cancer is here. Like people fight cancer. I’m not about fighting. So it’s like, well, I’m not going to fight it because it’ll fight back. So I accepted it and and the way what’s it here for is here to teach me something. And like if this is what it’s teaching me, I’m at peace with the world. And it’s just like this. This is my reminder. And some people need a kick in the guts. And this is what happened to me. My kick in the guts has got me to a space of accepting life, not fighting life, surrendering to moments and just keep giving, giving and receiving, giving and receiving. And it’s amazing. And we told my share and experience I have. The difference it makes to others that I’ve had been sharing with that go, oh, my God, I need to be something like this. So it’s just like, oh, I’m having this ripple effect. And we’ve all got the ability to have the ripple effect. Putting things like I have no fear, but well, this fear, I have like it is feeling the fear of doing it anyway. It’s tackling different techniques. And it’s just like for me, it’s acceptance of life and the connection we have with others. It’s just it’s been a magic ride. And I have no regrets about getting hands up. So this is this has been come at the perfect time in my life.
Guy (18:17):
To lead you into then start to have those experiences. And I often wonder what the world would look like if more people were aware of this work and were able to, without the fear, have those experiences to start to understand the totality of who we really are and how we would live our lives from that vantage point as opposed to the stressed. I’m in fear. I’m in reactive mode. I’m constantly pushing against a society that wants to keep us in a box.
Phil (18:53):
Yeah, and that’s what societies are designed to do, aren’t they? They’re designed to keep people in boxes. But it’s stepping outside the box. And we don’t get opportunities like this stuff’s not taught in schools. We send our kids off to school and they come out learning how to be in a box. Learning how to serve the man. Whereas at the end of the day, we need to serve our heart. Our heart and soul is what is what’s going to live on and be the biggest influence on other humans is our heart and soul. I mean, you can learn any skill, but it’s not going to take you anywhere if you can’t connect. And you connect the heart level and the soul level to your fellow human beings. That’s a whole different relationship and a whole different way of being planet. And I guess we’re getting closer to a tipping point because of the work that you do and others like you in the planet. And it’s a tipping point, about one percent. We’re getting closer and closer to that. And I think we’re on the verge in your course, your retreat, I should say, even your one dayers. Gets you that big step closer to raising awareness on this planet where we just go, oh my God, here we are, all of us. We’re not separate. We thought we were. We thought we were different and we’re not. We’re actually all the same. The more we dig down, the more we realize we’re the same. And there’s no difference between anyone. And I’ve done a lot of work with indigenous over the years, five years working in remote communities in this country. And it’s just like, no matter where you live, your soul is just it. And there’s no difference between anyone on this planet at all.
Guy (20:48):
Yeah, I know. But until the pain is usually great enough that pushes us into look at what’s deemed alternative modalities, because if we’re so entrenched in the physical and we’re so entrenched in the egoic aspect of us, which we need to individualize ourselves from divinity, so we have an experience here. But once that becomes our identity, it looks so easy to look at this and go, oh, the hippie dippy shit, what are they doing? They’re just escaping. There’s so many ways that the mind can conjure up that keeps us severed from this work. And yet all we need is a taste. All we need is an experience and actually have a curiosity and an exploration into it. It’s dipping your toe in the water, isn’t it? Absolutely. Absolutely. So the question I have for you then, Phil, you had that experience. You I remember you. I can still see you today at the end of that one day workshop, wandering around like, like hair up in the air like wow.
Phil (22:03):
I’m still in the room going. I felt a little bit like punch truck. Of course. I was like, oh my God, and there’s no jokes involved. I was just like singing in my head. And I remember you coming up and you put a hand on my shoulder and said, are you all right, mate? And I went, I don’t think I can use many words. And I said, you never been better. Never felt better. And I was like, in that moment, I was just like, why feel anything else?
Guy (22:34):
Exactly. So I think you literally booked into the retreat the same day. I can’t remember.
Phil (22:40):
Yeah. I went over and said one of the dates. I said, all right, that’s it. Put me in the cell. I was only one spot left. I said, I’ll take it. They said, you sure there’s another one? I said, I’ll take the last spot. That’s right. The last spot. There you go. And of course, it was a perfect group that the universe put me with as well.
Guy (23:01):
So when you left the one day you booked in, you took the last part of the May retreat. And just for people listening, our retreats are selling out further and further out of date. We’re actually having to open them further out to give people an opportunity to book in because they’re full. Like August sold out the one we hadn’t run yet three months in advance, if not more. So just letting people know that. Yeah, because my first available retreat for that group was another two months out. And someone had just pulled out of an early one. And I’m like, I don’t want to wait. Why would I wait? Why wouldn’t they dive in? So exactly that one. Yeah. So you came out of the one day you booked into the retreat. There was a space of a couple of months before you got there. How did you integrate? What did you do? What was that journey like for you then?
Phil (23:59):
Well, for me, it was trying to search more of it. It was like, wow, so this sound meditation, I couldn’t find anything that was matching to that. Although there’s a local group down here on the Mornington Peninsula that get together once a month. And it’s a free session. And they do it at the base of a place called, here it’s called Arthur Seat, which is a mountain on the bay. And I had two of those experiences as well. I just went and sat with a group of strangers, sand bowls, guitars, and just an amazing community. So I started connecting with like, oh, it isn’t the whole planet is aware of it, but we’re just not singing together. And so I took a more meditation. I actually went to see Joe Dispenza when he came to Melbourne. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And he’s great with frequencies and meditation. And so I dived into his stuff a little bit, but I was still looking forward to this retreat. So it kept me in the space. Yeah, Joe’s amazing. He’s the scientist behind why what you do works, if that makes sense. It does. Yeah. Yes, to some people, it might seem all a bit woo woo. But the science is there that proves this works. Yeah. Didn’t you you were telling me at the retreat, didn’t you end up starting to listen to my podcast at breakfast every morning or something? Well, that was one of the things too, because at the end of the day, that one day, a little postcard, I’ve got it just here by the desk, comes out and it’s got the podcast. And I’m a fan of well, I’ve got to keep my mind positive, because one thing I don’t do and I stopped doing this for years ago, I was watching the six o’clock news or any news. And I just if it’s something like it was super important, someone will tell me, hey, there’s a cold going around. You have to be scared of all right. Great. Well, I didn’t know about it. So I don’t have it. So, so I’ll focus. Let’s have a listen. And the guest you have on there. Totally amazing. You know, some of my some of my fans growing up like Beckwith, he was like he’s someone who’s just an amazing character and listen to people’s experience that you and professionals as well as people have gone through near-death experiences and come out the other end. And it’s just like, oh, my God, the people you speak with, I get we can perceive them as they’re not us. But the more I listen, the more I feel connected to them. And and how would I have handled that? Would I have done that any different? So we become related more and more podcasts. They kept me flying. I know you got you got like 250 or more. 70. Who’s counting? 270 plus. I haven’t gone through them all, but I just love them. Susie, the last one pops up. So every morning I’m listening to you and your guests.
Guy (27:19):
I hope you’re not tired of my voice yet. That’s the main thing. Well, it’s funny. I sort of get it chewed out of your voice because I want to hear what they want to say. Exactly. Brilliant. Yeah. No, thank you. And I raise that point because for all of us, and it was I’m the same. I was a podcast junkie and they made such a huge difference. I removed all my media. I remember, you know, it was before social media was just kicking in. But I turned the TV around to face the wall. Didn’t look at our TV for 11 years. And podcasts were a way of of keeping me inspired and listening to like minded people and conversations that made me feel get it. You know, and it’s even we just ran a big event in Port Macquarie yesterday. One day I myself and Matt and I remember speaking to a lady right at the end. And, you know, she’s probably in her 50s or something. I’m not sure. But she didn’t even know what a podcast was. And I was like, what are you kidding me? You gave her your postcard. I did. Yeah. She said she’s going to start to figure it out. But I think there’s many people still that are a bit fearful of technology and unaware of that. This information is just so accessible and freely available. So, you know, I urge listeners listening to this today to please, if you get something out of this conversation, please share it with a loved one or friend. Show them what a podcast is. Because they make such a difference. Right.
Phil (28:53):
And they’re a way of influencing and getting knowledge out there that that there’s nowhere else to find this. Even with my guru, Chris Walk, he’s got he does podcasts. He’s exploring into alternative therapies all the time. And I think it’s like, well, I wouldn’t have known that. And it’s funny, this latest one has been around sound therapy. Hello. And this you guys been doing it for quite a long time now. It’s sometimes just a little bit like, OK, it takes people a while to find this stuff out, even though the research that’s made has been done back in the 1950s. I figure.
Guy (29:39):
Totally. So you made your way to the three night retreat. And you came up to Mount Warning. So near Mount Warning in Yucay. And from the morning peninsula to there, what was your first impression? Were you nervous? Were you excited? You mentioned about removing expectations.
Phil (30:04):
Yeah, because it was an interesting trip on the bus from the airport, which a group of people that were going to the resort and just listening to the to the conversations. And I’m staring at the window and I thought, am I going to connect with these people? And it was like, OK, what they had for lunch and dinner and. And I and this kind of a quiet listen to guys podcast and so on. Yes, I do. And it changed the whole conversation. And I was like, we’re talking about a couple that we heard together. And I thought, OK, it was funny how my mind flipped from what I could be stuck here with these people. So I had this great. And I had a funny experience. I went into my room and I was the bus in adjusting time for the start of day one. And people can arrive a little bit earlier in the day. And my my my roommate. Was had already moved in and he was up on the pool having a swim before we started. And I had met him, but I saw this sleep apnea machine on the bed and my thought, because this is what thoughts do. They’re insidious. What I’ve got a cousin and a brother in all who have sleep apnea machines and they’re very loud. And I don’t know because I hear him in the room next door whenever they stay. And I’m a guy. I’m not going to sleep here. I’m really long to the flight. Now, he comes walking to me and goes, oh, you must be Phil. I said, yeah. And he said, you probably saw my sleep apnea machine. Don’t worry. It’s as quiet as a mouse. And I went, oh, that’s what he’s saying. And it and I’ve been on my bed every night. I run this little machine that puts steam out healing things. And it’s got a very quiet hum. That sleep apnea machine was exactly the same frequency as my machine. He put his machine on like a sleep apnea machine. It was like, oh, everything tends to be working out. But I had this hideous thought. Initially, it was like, I’ve got the worst roommate. But you’re turning up being the best roommate. Of course. And, and so much says, oh my God, whatever in the bathroom, what happened in the room, what’s going to happen in the actual course itself, in the retreat itself. And I’m like, oh my God, everyone, we’re connected. We’re all the sense of wonders that I had from the very beginning before I even walked into the room, started to expand. And it was just like, oh my God, this whole retreat is to teach me something that we’re all in this together.
Guy (33:01):
Totally. Yeah. Yeah, it’s indescribable what happens in there then once we once we’re there, because everybody that comes wants to be there, right? They’ve come against their own objections, their own fears, and they’ve still stepped through the door anyway. And that is a very special place then to be.
Phil (33:20):
Yeah. So the lesson was to stop, stop expecting something. Enjoy the ride. Because it is a wicked ride. Go with the flow. Yeah. Live in that flow solidly for those four days. And I promise you, you’ll come out with this sense of, I get where I am on the planet now. I get how I fit into this world. I get what’s going on with my life. And there’s nothing to get. I’m already here.
Guy (33:54):
Yeah. I’ve got to ask you this question, Phil, because I still to this day, and I’ll just explain to people who are listening, but I got off. It was the Friday night, Saturday night, Saturday night. It was the last process on the last night. And I remember getting off stage. What was it this Sunday? I can’t even remember. It all blows. But I remember getting off the stage and just wandering over to see you laying on the floor after receiving up from a process of the group. And you opened your eyes and I just looked at you. And I thought it just brought me to tears, mate, and smiling at the same time because I was like, wow, this man is completely plugged in to the universe right now. And after seeing your journey from Melbourne to then revisit and witness in that, it was just the most it will live me live with me honestly for the rest of my life. It was the most beautiful thing to witness because for me, it felt like you’re really exploring this with wonder and awe, just like a child does. And that’s that’s what we really encourage people. And you just have just embraced it in that way. And because you’re there with wonder and awe, the wonder and awe just amplifies by like ten thousand fold of what’s possible. And just to set the scene a little bit within the retreats without giving too much away, but we teach people how to actually move energy. And we can use that energy to allow other individuals, including ourselves, by giving is receiving to really help reset the harmonization of the body. You know, Western life and the struggles of life and challenges create a disharmonized body and that energy gets stuck. And if we’re able to then move that energy and allow the body because we say the body that creates the body can heal the body. And if we allow that energy to really start to move, there’s possibility then starts to happen and amazing things can come out of it. How did you feel? Can you can you even remember that moment?
Phil (36:22):
Can I remember that moment? I think it’s probably had the greatest impact. I mean, yeah, it was on the last day for me. It was the price. OK, we did. Yeah, we do a similar one on the day before. Yeah, not before. And I was the following day and to be part of that process to feel the energy. And we talk about energy and the power of us. Yeah, well, resourceful things. The energy that’s in us that keeps us alive. It’s like to feel the energy of others and the presence of others, all with the same intent or the intent that’s pure. And it’s like it’s palpable. Even though you can actually reach out and touch it. And I felt a shift within me. And the proof of that was was last week when I went to have my cancer check again, just to keep an eye on it. And it had shape shifted. It hadn’t it hadn’t grown where they thought it was going to grow. It had actually retreated and elongated a little bit, but it retreated. So it’s enabled me to have to continue to to be a lot like it. There’s no pain. I don’t get any pain from my cancer, but it’s potential to block things. And it hasn’t worked. It actually unblocked. Now, where was that moment? I don’t know. But. I felt that something shifted in that moment for me. And it was in that moment that I swear the shape shifted and the healing process that I’m going through got deepened and accelerated at the same time. And it’s funny because it’s an experience which is always difficult to put into words, because unless you experience this. You could write about it to the cows coming home, people could maybe even read it, trying to get an understanding. But until you experience this, you I think I think you’re missing out on something like this. Like it’s like, wow, we’re all wanting to experience the power that we have and the power that others have. And that the experience of that cannot be compared to a cost you’re going to outlay. Like I could have paid you 10 times that amount still to pay for money out of those four days. Just cause this is an amazing experience. And if you’re into experiences and you want to get to that next level and you feel like things aren’t working out, I mean, I can’t say I’m not working out. But that doesn’t matter. It’s like the experience of this that whatever happens on the patient, I know. Like it’s just like this one place in the universe. And I’m going to continue to be this and that until I have my last breath. It’s nothing to do with anything with what I’ve got or what I haven’t got. It’s like, here I am. The message that we deliver, the awareness that I’ve got. Let’s bring this into the world. Let’s everyone I’m connected with get an understanding.
Guy (39:47):
Exactly. Cause you can’t undo those experiences. And once you have them, it really leans into it. It brings a practicality and embodiment to spirituality. It’s not just metaphysical. It’s not just kind of stardust sprinkled out there that kind of kind of get. That’s what I really frustrated me for so long. It’s like it didn’t feel like there was a clear roadmap. This is the way through. There’s many roadmaps. Don’t get me wrong. We haven’t got the only roadmap. But for me, it drove me batty. And I was only saying it yesterday. And I was like, I wish people would actually really understand that this is rare to have a proper through line and a roadmap into this work that’s applicable. And these are the things that you can do and bring into your life on a regular basis. Totally. Totally. The experience I had on that last day was so deep. And it moved me to tears. And I also would probably never be so ecstatic in anyone’s mind as well. So there was there was the excitement. There was the experience of it. I bathed in that emotion for as long as I could. And I was just like, I guess it was every emotion in a moment that I felt and no experience I’ve ever had. It’s match that. Yeah. Yeah. It’s beautiful. It really was. Yeah. Thank you for that. But then, no, thank you. Thank you for just throwing yourself fully in committed surrendering wonder and awe. And the thing is, I want to articulate to people and because of the way you approached it and done it, is that you have now new reference points. The body has new reference points to pull back to come to. It’s like you’ve been carving out a bobsled of behavior that’s been going down your entire life one way. And then all of a sudden, unconsciously, we think this is the only way. And quite often that’s to do with the mind. Right. And then you start to have these experiences that are so. So powerful, so energetically moving that we can remove ourselves from that bobsled track for a moment. And we can start creating a new one that will create a new pattern, new behavior, new feeling, new emotions that the body might not have never experienced. But the body learns and understands. And then if we’re willing to come out of there and keep practicing the new one, then that becomes the default and the old one slips away.
Phil (42:52):
Yeah, it’s the disruption. Disruption. The rude disruption that happens when you go to retreat. Like one of yours, you get a massive rude disruption. It’s like this doesn’t make sense to my mind. Yeah. Hang on. I’m not my mind. I’m not my mind. I’m not my body. Who am I? I’m this chunk of energy inside my body. Let’s explore that. And how have you been since the retreat? Like, oh, you came home, you came back. Life goes on, of course. Life goes on. Peace and love. You know, but I’ve been taking peace and love into the workplace. Wow. And I just I look at people differently. I look at my my kids and my grandkids and my wife and I look at everyone differently. And it’s just like I’ve where I thought strangers. There are no such thing as strangers anymore to me. And it’s having having conversations with people that I get a privilege to have the work I do anyway. But I take some of that and I just I use that in my work and I see people differently and nothing shows up as work anymore, if that makes sense. But taking this into my life and putting the practices in, you know, just totally amazing. Yeah. My my life was disrupted for those four days. And it’s just continuing to be that like I keep looking and understanding that we’re all connected.
Guy (44:45):
Beautiful. Totally. Last question. So what would what would you say to someone then listening to this right now that is kind of like, oh, should I go? Shouldn’t I go? What should I do? Where am I?
Phil (44:51):
Well, don’t hesitate. You can play safe and keep doing what you’re doing, which, you know, it’s easy to not go because you’ve got a life anyway. And how long am I going to afford it? When you come out the other end, money doesn’t come into it. It’s not that it’s it’s 100 percent the experience you get. And life is just a daring adventure. It’s nothing at all. Remember, Christine Kellis and that and it’s just like, if you think. There was something my mother always said, and she was saying, she said, well, take care. And I would say, I’m going to take a few risks as well, because risks are where we live. When you get that nervousness, that nervous energy, if you’ve got that nervous energy right now, go and register because this is what’s going to lift you. You’ve got that inner calling. You’re listening to this. You’ve come this far into the podcast. You actually want to go. So whatever’s stopping you, just thank you for that for what and do it anyway, because it’s you’re always going to have those thoughts.
Guy (46:02):
Yeah, thank you for what was that quote again? You just said what daring adventure. Life’s a daring adventure or it’s nothing at all. Life’s a daring adventure or it’s nothing at all. Christine Kellis said that. Wow, I love it. I love it. And I’m just to announce for our listeners as well, because obviously I’ll be I’m flying out the weekend. I’m heading to Portugal. Can I get you here? If I didn’t get in, I would have gone to Portugal. That was the next one. That’s commitment. I was flying to Portugal if I couldn’t get in. Yeah, well, we got about 10 Aussies come in, I think something like that. But people coming from all over the world is exciting. Our first international retreat. That’d be great. Absolutely great. And I want to let everyone know as well that because we’re actually setting up a ongoing membership for people that we will hold space online on Zoom to coach. So remember how we did the trios within the retreats that so we could authentically communicate, listen and share and come from the heart. We’re actually setting up in an online environment for people. So they’ll have the roadmap. They’ll have the space to log into each month and join a community. They’ll have a support system that they can put themselves into as well. And there’ll be some ongoing small group with small groups. There’ll be it’ll be both. So with Zoom, you can dissect it all. So we’ll be able to hold space and there. But we put people into breakout rooms and then they can actually start to connect and break down. And we teach people we’ve got a course laid out as well. So we want to remove the excuses for people. So we’ve got these the powerful experiences that really create the shifts and they connect with other like mine. And I mean, I’ve done retreats and I’ve made friends for life from them. That alone, that alone is priceless. Just that, let alone all the experiences and the things you learn and everything else you do. And then so we’ve got these really well in place. We’ve got the one day workshops. We’ve got the retreats. People have these experiences. Start to understand. But of course, then there’s a long term strategy. So how do we stay accountable to leaning in and doing the work? But not only stay accountable, connect because you can connect beyond space and time from anywhere in the world from your heart into. And we show you how to do that. So you can do it from your living room as well. And then what I found in my own journey is by having accountability, investing in myself and being around other people that get me, that understand. That’s where the transformation happens. So you have these two. You got the powerful, then you got the long term. You bring them together. People will stay on track. You know, it’s being with the community, being with a like minded is as opposed to. You only get caught back in normality. Yeah, absolutely. Look, I have no doubt people would want to drop you an email or say thank you, Phil, or on Facebook once they listen to this and everything else. Is there are you on Facebook if people reach out and go? Totally. Totally. Phil Paul ad. Yeah, that’s it. Dot. I you thought are you on your website to now on Facebook if you go put Facebook dot com slash your phone dot. You’ll get me. You say, oh, there you go. I scroll in through. People can DM you and thank you. Yeah. Look, picture me on the motorbike. That’s all right. That’s all right. My true true adventure seeker right there. I just want to I just want to thank you, Phil, a for coming on the podcast today, but B for just opening your heart in such a way that, like I said, will sit with me for the rest of my life as well. And to to witness the way you’ve just embraced the work as a facilitator, I can’t tell you how much that means, you know, and seeing that your journey, the trajectory and the impact of being able to connect in and just surrender to it. And the attitude you have towards yourself. Life is just beautiful, mate. And and I just can’t. Yeah. Can’t acknowledge you enough for everything you do. Thank you.
Phil (50:35):
Thank you. You’re certainly part of my life now and part of my life experiences that I’ll talk about forever. And you’ll be in the book. It’s just been a privilege. Thank you. You’re welcome. Thank you. Thank you.