#161 My lovely guest this week is Bruce Lipton. Bruce is a biologist and an internationally recognized leader in bridging science and spirit. This is the second time that I’ve had the honour of hosting Bruce and I must say, the conversation is as mind-blowing as ever. On this episode we discussed Bruce’s best-selling book, The Biology of Beliefs, and talked about changing our subconscious programming in order to break through our mental limitations.

“Knowledge is power, and knowledge of self is self-empowerment,” as Bruce puts it. If you’re looking for ways to grow and become more empowered, then this episode is for you.

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About Bruce: Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D., a pioneer in the new biology, is an internationally recognized leader in bridging science and spirit. A cell biologist by training, Bruce was on the faculty of the University of Wisconsin’s School of Medicine and later performed ground-breaking stem cell research at Stanford University.

He is the best‐selling author of The Biology of Belief and the more recent Spontaneous Evolution, co‐authored with Steve Bhaerman. Bruce received the 2009 prestigious Goi Peace Award (Japan) in honor of his scientific contribution to world harmony and more recently in 2012 was chosen as Peace Ambassador for the “Thousand Peace Flags” project of the Argentinian Mil Milenios de Paz.

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Key points with time stamp:

• Welcome to the Evolution (00:00) 
• The story of Bruce’s book, The Biology of Beliefs (01:07) 
• Changing the subconscious vs. the conscious mind (04:51)
• Bruce on balancing spirituality and his profession (06:14)
• Changing our subconscious programming and breaking through limitations (9:27)
• How can conversations about love and fear change our perspective on the way the world is? (20:29)
• How does living with fear affect us? (31:21)
• Bruce’s advice on breaking stress cycles (34:01)
• Why don’t we hear about quantum physics often? (45:28)
• Bruce’s daily practices and habits (54:56)
• What Bruce leaves us with (59:19)

Mentioned in this episode:

• Reverend Michael Beckwith
• Biology of Beliefs, 2005. A book by Bruce Lipton
• Quantum Physics
• Epigenetics
• Michael Moore
• Tony Benn
• Greg Braden
• Darwinian Theory

Bruce Lipton’s Website:
www.brucelipton.com

 

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TRANSCRIPT

Guy 00:23
Bruce, welcome back to the podcast.

Bruce 00:35
I am so delighted to be here with you, especially all of my Aussie friends out there.

Guy 00:41
Yeah. Well, it’s exciting to have been officially I know, I’ve interviewed you many times in the past. But my personal podcast now is, I just passed the three year anniversary and it’s gaining amazing momentum. It’s reaching lots of people. And my intention for today is obviously have a wonderful conversation around everything that’s going on all your experience. And I have no doubt it’ll come through. For all the listeners tuning in. I wanted to mention as well, Bruce, I realized, I’m not sure if you knew this, but you must do. It’s been over just over 15 years since your book, Biology of Belief come up, which blew my mind when I looked at that the other day. And the question I have for you is, over those 15 years, did you expect that book when you released it to have such an impact on momentum, and the conversations that are still happening today, if not more, and more that are that are coming out? When you

Bruce 01:38
let’s put it this way, my life had changed so profoundly from a scientific point of view. And buying into the nature of, of spirituality as a scientific point of view, which I never believed in. And then my life had this profound change from, you know, the new science. And I thought, if people could just see this, maybe they could take their power back. I mean, I took my power back, and I offered the science of how that happened, and why it happened. And all that in our personal creation. And just, you know, to help our audience here for one second, that quantum physics is the most valid science on the planet, the one that’s been tested the most and affirmed to be truer than all sciences I go, relevance is the primary principle of quantum physics, actually, even from 1927, when it was founded, was that consciousness is creating our life experiences. Now, that’s mind over matter, of course, as that’s what’s happened, that’s what is said in physics as a as a primary understanding. And my research led to part of that, because it showed how mind was controlling genetics and behavior. Okay, so that was a broad statement from quantum physics. And then all of a sudden, epigenetics is like, oh, my goodness, this is a mechanism of quantum physics. And when I saw that, and I said, it’s very true story. I understood that all of a sudden said, Oh, my God, we’re creating this not just from the, the idea of quantum physics, but from the idea of epigenetics and new biology was so excited, I want to tell everybody, and I got a group of people together, and I said, let me tell you this new science, because if you understand this new science, you create the most wonderful life. And the people in the audience looked at me and would go, you know, let them for time says, you know, this stuff, your your life doesn’t look that good. And that was actually the most personal wake up call in the whole world. Because I was essentially saying, I’ll do as I say, but not as I do. And I realized, how can I talk about creating as wonderful life and I’m not an example of it. And I started to realize how to translate the science into behavior. And once that happened, then it was like, Oh, my God, it works. It really works. And that’s when the book really wanted to put the book out because I thought, if everybody understood, just understood this on their own personal level, it was empowerment, because knowledge is power, knowledge of self self empowerment. And I saw this because I was a student of this myself. And I just wanted to give an opportunity. And I hoped it would go far and wide because the consequences of doing this understanding and living this new science that it manifested what I what I’ve found to be true, which I never believe, but Heaven is right here on Earth. But you have to have the consciousness empowered to experience that.

Guy 04:51
Yeah, so true. What you say is a few things that because we can certainly fill our heads with information, because there’s a lot of information out there, but if it’s not actually changing us The behavioral level, and we’ve seen it show up in our lives. I wonder how much information can we actually consume? And then we worry about which information we are consuming in the first place?

Bruce 05:10
Well, as you said, the harder part, which is my experience, as well was, yeah, I can educate the conscious mind really quickly. conscious mind is very creative, but we live our lives from the programming of subconscious mind. So the original idea was, well, if my conscious mind becomes aware, so does my subconscious mind. I go, No, that was the big failure, because the two minds learn in different ways. So reading a book, going to a lecture, you know, just going, aha, I can change conscious mind because that’s creativity. But it doesn’t change subconscious mind. And that’s the disconnect in our world. Because if you understand all you want to change the program, you have to do it in a different way. Then all of a sudden, it’s like, oh, there’s a pathway. Because the biggest problem is people say, Yeah, I want to change my life. And they try positive thinking, and they do all this kind of stuff. And it doesn’t change, it doesn’t change at some points, like I’m a victim. It’s not made because I try not working. And then we give up. And that’s so unfortunate.

Guy 06:14
Can you I had many now, like, I think I’ve done 155, maybe 160 podcasts on here. So I get this incredible range of amazing people to have conversations with, like yourself, and I’ve had many different doctors and, and people are coming out and and some of them have always had reservations because of their profession. And they’re worried about thinking what people might think, or if I start touching the word spirituality, and they’re gonna think about, you know, but it’s always leads to the they’ve come out. And I was really interested to know, what was that like for you, before Biology Belief, or,

Bruce 06:51
you know, we’re talking about the conscious mind, which has creative wishes and desires versus subconscious mind, which runs off of programs, experienced, learned, downloaded, etc. And when I was trying to write the book, and I say, trying to write the book, as I started three times, I got, you know, because I knew the science of it. And I knew what I wanted to say, and and ended up with that spirituality in the form of quantum physics, energy fields. And, and I kept failing, I get halfway through the book, and it would fail halfway through the book and would fail. And then I met my friend who developed the process called psych K, which is one of the belief changing modalities. And when we tested my belief system, which is my program, it would not support writing the book. And I go, we tested Why? And the answer was because it would undermine my academic standing as a recognized scientist doing real research. If you end with spirituality, this is so far out of the field of science back 20 years ago, 15 years ago, that you can’t say spirituality and habit in science. It was like, No, that’s Voodoo over there. So my subconscious was saving my career by causing me to fail after the halfway through the book, I just wouldn’t, I wouldn’t go,

Guy 08:16
wow.

Bruce 08:18
And I had to change a belief. I had to change a belief and I was real critical, because I knew what I was doing now consciously why it wasn’t doing what I needed to do. Most people just experience that it’s not working and don’t recognize, oh, wait, there’s there’s an issue why things don’t work. In a world where we’re creators, that’s the first question while we’re really creators, why does not work the way I want it to work? And, and what I was learning, of course, was my subconscious had a program of being a scientist and an error, the recognition nature of a scientist and spirituality is not in the field. So if I end up with a book, trying to take science and spirituality in a world that doesn’t recognize it, it was compromised my career.

Guy 09:00
Yeah.

Bruce 09:02
When I changed the belief, and then the most beautiful part was changing that program. All of a sudden, the words came out, like it was gushing out. The words just came download, and everything was downloading, you know, but it couldn’t download. When the subconscious mind started to go off with the old program. Now, this is not good. Change the program and all of a sudden, Goshorn, the book came out right away.

Guy 09:27
Amazing. So one, thank you for sharing that because I think we can project ourselves onto other people as they are, they’ve just got it in the bag. They just, you know, it’s come easy to them and all the rest of it, where I think we all have our internal struggles, our beliefs and things that we have to move through to become who we are, as we as we move forward.

Bruce 09:47
Yeah, you know, and that lesson from the cells were very clearly this is that my consciousness, the picture in my mind, is translated by my brain into chemistry. The chemistry of the brain goes into the blood. And the chemistry is not nutrition, it’s information, chemistry of information, coordination of genetics and behavior, and everything to match the picture. So it’s like a paint by numbers in reverse, there’s a picture, and then the paint comes out, and colors, your body and your life to match that picture. Now, all of a sudden, where it becomes so important to recognize that the picture that we have in our conscious creative mind is the one of wishes and desires. And unfortunately, the programming that we get in our subconscious mind, which is working 95% of the time, that program came from other people who didn’t match your wishes and desires. And therefore 95% of your behavior in life is coming from these programs that you got from other people, and then you would go But yeah, but if I was seeing I was doing those bad programs, I would be, you know, I would stop it just so it’s not me and I go, a story that I probably had with you in 2019 2017 on the air, the same story, because 30 years, and that is you have a friend, you know your friends behavior very well. And you know, your friend’s parent. And then one day you see your friend has the same behavior as their parent. So you offer, hey, Bill, you’re just like your dad. And I said back away from Bill. Because the moment you say that, inevitably Bill’s going to say how can you compare me to my Dad, I’m nothing like my dad. And everyone laughs because they’ve experienced it. And I go, this is the most profound message in the entire world in one story, most profound message in the world. I go, What do you mean, everyone else can see the bill behaves like a Stan, the only one who doesn’t see it as Bill. And I go where to get the behavior from I said, Well, that was the first seven years where he downloaded the programs into his new brain computer to put Rams into it. And it copied his father, and that’s the program and then 95% of his life is coming from the program. And so he’s playing that father’s program 95% of the time, but then he says, but he doesn’t see. And I say why not? Well, first question, why is the subconscious running the show 95% of time, instead of the conscious, which is the creative mind, this is the program mine? I said, Why? And the answer is, because conscious has two options to look out at the world and create or to turn inside and think thinking is inside. Guy. What are you doing, you know, on Thursday, if it’s not written in front of you at this moment, and it’s not Thursday, and I said, What are you doing on Thursday? In a moment, you could tell me what you’re doing on Thursday. I said, where’d you get? I said, in my mind, I said, where’d you go? Where did you direct your consciousness? To answer the question, I said, Oh, and I’m not looking out. I’m now looking in thinking is inside 95% of normal average person’s life is spent thinking. So I say so why is that relevant? So that means that the conscious mind, which has the option of being creative, or thinking is now 95% of the time in thinking, creativity is not the program anymore, because the autopilot that takes over when you’re thinking to carry out the things you can walk, you can talk you can drive your car without thinking about it. It’s automatic. And I say automatic subconscious, I go 95% of that behavior is coming from subconscious. I say, and why can’t you see it? And I said, Why are you playing it? And the answer is I’m playing it because my conscious is not paying attention. I go, that’s why you can’t see it. And all of a sudden I go, so the idea that bill behaves like this, and then there’s a fronted by what do you, what do you mean, I’m, I’m like my father is Guess what? We’re all bill. Every every one of us is Bill, because every one of us is doing this every day, operating 95% of the time from automatic, not observing it, because that’s how much time we’ve been thinking what we’re going to do next, where we’re going, what happened, whatever. And I go, and I go, so why is that Robert? Because like, all of us are like sleepwalking through this thing, playing these automatic programs. But we didn’t put those programs in there from our creation. We put them in there from our programming from family and community. And so those behaviors do not necessarily support who we are and about 70% of the download of programs that we did get do not support our health, our vitality, our wishes and our desires. I go, then I go simple mathematics. Okay. 95% of your life is not coming from creativity. It’s coming from program. And 70% of those programs are disempowering and self sabotaging, limiting. And then you look at your life and go, Yeah, and I go, how do you get out of it? And I say, well, you have to stop thinking that’s called being mindful. I go That’s very difficult in this world where you’re getting called on to make every action from a thought and response and interpretation. And, you know, and I, and I go. So this is why the let me just shorten the whole story by saying the movie, the matrix is listed as science fiction. But I refer to it as a documentary. And the reason why is simple why. Because as the premise of the show goes, every one is programmed, I go, that’s given for seven years of your life is programming, that’s science, okay. And I go then what they have, but the cool part of the whole story was, if you take the red pill you get out of the program. Well, they didn’t really go fully into the meaning of that my life has experienced it for this simple reason. Because I understood one thing which science is now backed up. When you fall in love. Now, it could be with a person that’s most people’s experience, but you could fall in love with you’re an artist, and you fall in love with making pictures, you’re a chef, you fall in love with making the most fabulous meal. You know, whatever a gardener would have falling in love is when you what science has recognized. And what I’m going to say right now it is. You stop thinking when you’re in that moment of love, and you experience it. So how do you experience it? I’m not thinking, I’m being mindful. That’s the word. I said, What does that mean? It’s like, I’m being present, paying attention to what’s going on right now. And not taking my mind and going in thought, I see. So why is it relevant? I say, that’s the mind of creativity. So I say normally, it’s only 5%. But when you fall in love sciences recognized 90% or more of your activities are coming from your creative mind, not your program. I say so your life could be blah, blah, blah, blah, what 95% of my life coming from program, I fall in love the next day, 24 hours later, life is beautiful. Man, life is all guy love life, life is the most wonderful thing. It’s heaven on earth, I go 24 hours, you went from blah, blah, blah, and 24 hours is like heaven on earth. I go, that was the red pill meant that you stop operating from that creative moment, by giving it to the subconscious to play whatever the programs are, you took over the control of conscious mind grabs a control, and manifest what it does best imagination, which is what wishes and desires. And all of a sudden, I go that’s the red pill. Now, that honeymoon period disappears, only because at some point, you start thinking, remember, you met your partner and both partners are operating from wishes and desires. Neither of them are playing programs, their wishes and desires. And I go but when you start thinking and all of a sudden life is not coming from wishes, desires, now it’s coming from program, like all of a sudden these behaviors show up in your partner’s going, or how does that behavior come from? Or are you all of a sudden, it’s like a new person just under the eye go. That was the programming that you always live with. But you stopped playing when you created the honeymoon. And the more thinking you have to do because of life jobs, chores, responsibilities, the more thinking you have to do, the more these programs start to come up and become the takeover. I said, Well, remember you fell in love with two creative conscious minds. Now you’re dealing with what? Two program lines. And if the programs aren’t the same, the relationship is blown out in the water, okay? It doesn’t mean ever be blown out of the water, but the juiciness and creativity and the experience of heaven on earth sort of disappears and then life becomes life. Okay. And so I just want people to recognize it. That movie matrix is real that yes, we’ve all been programmed and 95% of our life coming from that program. And the moment you stop playing that program is the moment you create the life of wishes and desires. But then you have to stay mindful in that self sudden where the whole drawback comes from because like well now damn hard to stay keep your mind present when you have so many thoughts you have to deal with the carry out your life. So then yeah,

Guy 19:15
it’s massive. I yeah, no, it’s beautiful. I think I heard somebody say once, love what you do, and then the do what you love will come and to bring that in and harvest each moment.

Bruce 19:29
That’s exactly what it so I say you stayed in love. Why because now what you’re doing your attention is so present. Because this is what you do that you’re excited you keep that present. So when you wake up and you love your job, I mean I love you know, I love my job I wake up it’s like, I got a great job. And and the job doesn’t have to be at either the I guess I have a great life. Job could be sweeping up the damn bathroom at the station, you know, but the point is what that’s not My life, that’s my job, don’t have my life. And I could, I could have the most romantic, you know, Don Juan life whole experience kind of thing over here and push the broom over there for you know that, okay, that’s my contribution. And then my consequence of that contribution is my gift is what? Now create on your own? You did that job, you could go on create on your own, what do you want to create? Yeah. So

Guy 20:29
Exactly. You know, I think first, like, on my own journey like this, this work works, you know, if people are listening, because I’ve had to come over so many of my own beliefs, cultural beliefs, everything to be on my path now and my calling, and even to the point where about five, six years ago, I had a, I was in the middle meditation tree for a long time. And I’ve six days and I had a, an awakening, a huge awakening. And I felt beyond my body, I felt like there was this expansive state that I’m like, okay, I’ve read about this, I’ve heard about this, but this for me, it was as real as me, and come back and integrate that back into my life. And I thought, Oh, my God, like, what, like, what is going on, you know, and it drove a lot of passion for me. And then it helped to road a lot more fundamental beliefs and things like that. And, and I don’t know whether I’m in my little podcast bubble, and I’m having conversations that reaffirmed my reality about these things, and I’m just basically doing my thing, or that this information is getting out there. And when I look at what’s happened in the world, especially over the last year, you know, going into 21. Now, I still baffles me why these things aren’t spoken about conversation about in the information that’s being broadcasted in, you know, especially when you speak about love, and obviously the opposite of that fear, and who we are and what what we capable of.

Bruce 21:58
And it’s interesting, because there’s a simple dynamic, your love is empowerment, and fear is disempowerment. That’s simple law. disempowerment means I’m afraid somebody else has to help me now. I’m, I’m the victim, and I’m disempowered I got no power. So fear means you, you help me whatever way you think. And I go, Well, you let go the control in that point, okay. And the world is you can look at it and the and the world is in chaos and we’re it’s not just COVID COVID is just one of things sort of like climate change and and people don’t even recognize a real climate change and they always talk about the water levels rising and coastal cities like oh, yeah, that is a problem. You want to hear a bigger problem agriculture. I say what do you mean I say you cannot depend on the weather to get from seeds to harvest when you don’t know it’s not gonna rain now oh change Okay. Oh, it got too hot. Oh no, he’s got too cold there we go yeah, the it’s not in it’s not predictable. It’s gone out strange. So all of a sudden says oh my god yeah, water coming up is one thing no food not I might be another problem that’s coming up here right now. And I go Okay, so that not go Yeah, but there’s racial strife. There’s religious strife. There’s economic upheaval, there’s social disorganization, political screw ups, and all this going on simultaneously. I go, it’s not a coincidence. I go for very simple reason is this human civilization and its behavior, cultural behavior, the way we live on this planet. Human civilization has precipitated what is referred to as a sixth mass extinction of life. I go, Well, first of all, there must have meant there were five mass extinction of right over sex. I go, yeah, five times the history is life like a planet. Life was thriving, and some cataclysmic event up ended nature and caused mass extinctions last 160 6 million years ago. lush planet, tropical forests everywhere and dinosaurs all over the place. And then a comet hits near Mexico, a giant comet, but it really shakes up the environment. And the web of life collapses and the dinosaurs are gone, the forests are gone the whole damn thing. And 66 million years ago that happened. And now we come and we built it all up into this back, we’re back again to beautiful garden. And now it’s it’s dying faster than in previous, some mass extinctions earlier and I go What do you mean, I said, we’re losing species of organism faster than you can imagine. I mean, if you were alive in 1970, and they did a survey how many animals were on this planet? Today, they redid it. And two thirds of the animal life of this planet have disappeared since 1970. We’re down to 1/3 of the population. 90% of the fish are gone. And that They expect within by 2048, the remaining fish are going to be gone. I go, what’s happening here I go, human civilization is up, enter the environment. We’ve you know, rape and pillage the planet, you know, we’re monocropping where that’s antagonistic. The normal life I go human behavior by science, not by me, has recognized that human behavior is the cause of a mass extinction that we’re experiencing, and that humans are in that extinction process. And that this is not 1000 years from now, this is within within the century, within a couple of decades ago. So why is it relevant says, humans, the way we’ve been living, are killing ourselves and the planet. So there’s two choices, continue what you’re doing and enjoy the ride out, or change. And we’re being confronted with that. And I say, and guess what the change is happening? You say, Yeah, what do you mean, I see this thing is just collapsing and Cray crazy, and it’s chaos I go. That’s part of the evolution, why the structure that we’ve been living with the way we’ve been living is causing the extinction, you want to have a different result. You’ve got to chase the damn structure, because the structure is causing it. So when the chaos that you see right now is upon us as it is right now, guess what? That’s the structure collapsing. And I go, Wow, that’s scary. And I go, yep. a caterpillar is the most voracious of organisms that put a caterpillar on a plan that will lead all the leaves off a plan. And then I say what happens then I said, then a caterpillar stops growing and stops moving and puts itself in a cocoon. And I said, then what happens? I said, Well, there’s a transformation of metamorphosis from a caterpillar to a butterfly, I go from the most voracious of organisms to the lightest of organisms. And I go, that’s a metamorphosis. Yeah. And I say, well, civilizations in a state of metamorphosis, why the voracious appetite of human civilization is destroying the environment that are no longer supports us. So what are we doing? We’re stopping. I mean, COVID is a good moment of like, Hey, you can’t do this anymore. shops are changing. You can’t do this anymore. You got to rethink what’s going on here. Okay, we’re in a cocoon. I say, go back that Caterpillar cocoon made out of millions and millions of cells. And cells are like miniature people. So if you were in a caterpillar body, and all of a sudden, the world that was growing every day, and eating and moving and doing all the work, there’s no work anymore. No foods coming in, we’re not moving. The jobs, the cell start to the jobs fall apart, the caterpillar body starts turning into a soup of cells out of work, by no work going on here. And then in the midst of them, there are a group of cells that have a wonderful name called imaginal cells. And they have a vision of a future, the butterfly, and what are they doing coordinating the soup of cells to form something new, a new structure? Okay. So I says, so why is your elf I said, you can look at today’s world, we’re in the cocoon. And you have, it’s not just falling apart, it’s also rebuilding. And you have two choices, you could focus on the one falling apart, gone, oh, it’s falling apart. Or you can focus on the one like, this is the way to go from here into a sustainable future. new technology, new social organization, new respect for women, and race and new recognition. Every one of us is a cell in the same body of humanity. And I see you have two choices at this very moment. Look at the chaos live in fear, which will kill you. Or recognize I understand the chaos. And I know that I need to be building this over here and move your energy into the up instead of down. And this is what we’re being called upon. And so in every country, I mean, man, the fires that wracked Australia, you know, what was that? Humans interfering with nature? It was only the aborigines that knew they had controlled burns. Why if they didn’t do it on a controlled level, the whole damn thing would explode. And but nobody wants to follow the indigenous people lived here forever. Because we know better. It’s always interesting because your original mission statement of science, which is still pretty much the mission statement from Francis Bacon, back in 1600s mission statement to dominate and control nature, science. I go, how’s that working out and I go, it’s killing us. Because it’s not science. It’s really people that are capitalized. coal technology. And that’s an unfortunate situation because we blame it on science. No science came up with a principle understanding. It was technology, people said, How can I translate that into money? Yeah, that’s where the problem came from. It’s not the science that gave us pharmaceuticals. It’s a pharmaceutical company that saw the science and said I could sell you pharmaceuticals. Okay, so I really get upset because they all do science and science. I got no scientists, right? If you gave the control to the technology, people that manifest matter from that science. That’s, that’s where the it’s the technology, not the science, science is giving us answers are we going to listen, which is what return to the harmony of the planet that the indigenous people knew and lived in? Because it was a garden, and they took care of it? A garden is not a battleground, that’s what we turned it into a garden is the height of cooperation, like oh, cheese, that’s just a complete opposite of the competition, that we have been driven by competition. And it’s like, yep, no, that’s not evolution. Evolution is cooperation. Ah, inside the cocoon, baby, are we cooperating with the new one? And if you are successes in your life,

Guy 31:21
yeah, that’s beautifully put, you know, it’s funny, you, you talk about those analogies, because after hearing you talk, and other people, I always think about myself now as that individual cell, and my friend, my immediate family, ourselves, and then the people in my community are cells, and then it fades out, and it helps give me power to think, okay, if I can actually be a good influence here, just like within my body, as opposed to isolating something, and it’s all about me, but if I can have a ripple effect, that I can affect other cells around me, then hopefully that will feed into the bigger contribution. And like I said, it always makes me feel empowered by doing something like that, that I am contributing in some way, as opposed to being stressed, closing down and closed off and not letting any new information in.

Bruce 32:09
Yeah, well, that’s what fear does. Fear is a closed down fear is protection. Fear is put yourself in a spore, put yourself in a capsule hide, I say, you cannot survive in a spore, as more life stops in a spore trap. And the point about it is this. You cannot stay in protection. Because of walls you off from the outside beard nutrition or information, assimilation, whatever’s out there. To grow, you have to be open. If you close down for fear, well, if you’re being chased by a saber toothed tiger, you closed down for fear and operate a protection. But a saber toothed Tiger if you make it 15 minutes later, there’s no more saber toothed tiger, okay, and everything goes back to better again, and I go But in today’s world that saber toothed Tiger for most people is chasing and 20 473 65 they’re always like, I’m not gonna make it. I’m not going to get enough money. Am I gonna get health care? Am I gonna you know, I’m running. I say that that saber toothed Tigers we created that. It’s not really there. Unless you buy into the story of competition. Darwinian life is a struggle for survival with a competition for fitness. I guess Wow. That’s not the evolution of cooperation. That’s complete separation. I’m fitter than you Screw you. You know, as I said, well, that’s Darwinian. He wins because he wins. He could be Albert Einstein, you could be some jerk with an Uzi go, who’s gonna win that one, you know, and basically start to recognize we’re competing in a garden that is only based on the concept of cooperation.

Guy 34:01
Yeah. When it comes to stress, I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on this. Because when we’re in a stress response, we only see more stress, like you said, and most of it’s not even real. It’s like the saber toothed Tigers not there. But I’m filming right now and I’m getting caught up and I have to do how what would your advice be to breaking them cycles? Do we have to break first to then self reflect?

Bruce 34:25
Or do they first have to self reflect? And then you have to say, now that I see what’s going on? What can I do about it? You have to see what’s going on? Okay? Because knowledge is power. You can’t close your eyes and then pretend that I know what the hell I’m doing. I kind of see what’s going on. But then I have to then change my behavior. To not support an old story but put that behavior like you did, and to Can I take what is helping me and use it to help others as basically what cooperation is I want you to be as healthy as I am. I want you to enjoy what I, I’m enjoying it. How did I get there? Oh, let me tell you how I got there. And so basically it says this, as we talked about, we’ve all been programmed the computer that this the brain can’t work unless first you put programs in it. And that’s first seven years of life is the program period. And the Jesuits have told people for 400 years, nobody paid attention. But for 400 years, they said, Give me a child until it’s seven, I will show you the man, I say they knew the science, I’m talking about what they knew that the first seven years of your life is download programs from family and community, and that the rest of your life is 95% from that program, so they already were telling you your program, they are in telling people that already. So the fact this is not a new idea. But the reality says you have been programmed, most of the programming occurred before you were even near conscious when you were zero, you were programmed when you were one you were programmed at cetera. And so I said, we need to get out of this damn thing. I said, Well, first thing you need to do is understand your program. I say because it’s your program that is participating in creating what’s going on in here. So I said, Well, how do you know what your program is? You weren’t you weren’t there when the programs were installed? And like, Bill, you’re playing the programs, you can’t see him? How the hell do I know what the programs are? And then I go very simple. 95% of your life is from the program. Your life is a printout of your program. I said, Why is it relevant? I’m gonna just stop for a moment here. Look around and say, the things that you like that show up in your life? How’d they get there? I got a program to acknowledge that the things you want desire, you know, wish for. And you have to struggle and work hard and put a lot of time and a lot of effort and sweat to make all this make it a go. How come you’re working so hard? And the answer is, inevitably, you have a program that doesn’t support that reality. And you’re trying to override the program with effort. You don’t need effort override the program, you just need to shut the damn program off. It’s not run from the program, and then heaven on earth as a consequence of it. So basically, the first thing all of us need to do is say, Where am I struggling? The struggling is not coming from outside. I’m not a victim of struggle, I’m a creator. So then I also say, Oh, well, then I’m a creator of struggle. Yes. And I say, well, then what you have to look at is where Why are you doing this? And if you want to change it, yeah, you can change it. But you have to change the program. And the conscious mind, the subconscious mind, learn in different ways. And that’s been the monkey wrench in everybody’s life. Because people look at their life and said, I don’t like this, I want a different life. And they have imagination and wishes and this is what I want. And, and then they struggle, and they struggle, and they have wishes and imagination, and I go that’s the 595 wishes imagination. 5%. If you make it 90%, it becomes heaven on earth. Okay. But it’s only 5% and 95% of the program. I say so I I now have wishes and desires up here. I know what I want. I said, did that change the program? No. That’s the biggest problem because the idea was Oh, what the conscious mind can think about it, then the subconscious mind must agree with me, like, Oh, no, the subconscious mind is a different entity. It learns in a different way. So I can create the most wonderful vision of heaven on earth and everything I love, and I go, yeah, that’s 5% of your creative power. But 95% is coming from this program that you got from parents and family and community and school, wherever they put those programs in there. And I go, and what about that I said, this does not translate subconscious does not translate to subconscious. They talk a different way. I go why I said they learn in different ways. Consciousness creative point. Well, creative means I can learn anyway. Read the book, whatever video whatever. Go, aha, just change the conscious mind. I say what about some parents? It’s a habit, mine. So I say if the habit changes, it’s not a habit. So the idea is a habit mine resist change. Because the idea of a habit is I got the program, push the button. It’s always going to play in the subconscious mind where the habits are. A lot of people think that’s evil. I go, Hey, when did you learn how to walk guy? Probably before you were two. You’re still walking. Did you have to relearn. You could be up to 100 and you’re still be walking. I say that’s a program. You learn that before you were too. There are many good programs. When you have a good program. It’s wonderful. Because you don’t have to put any more effort into it. It’s automatic. Okay, but you got a bad program. That’s terrible. Because you don’t put any effort into it and it’s automatic. So I say you want to change the subconscious. You have to teach it in a different way that that subconscious learns. It doesn’t learn from creative read a book. No Yeah. learns and three different ways. Number one, first seven years of your life, the brain is operating at a vibration lower than consciousness vibration, meaning putting wires on a person’s head eg electroencephalograph read their brain vibration, and different levels of vibration reflect different states of consciousness. Theta is the first seven years that’s just below consciousness. And it’s also hypnosis. So for seven years, a child is unconsciously downloading behaviors from all those around them to what? That’s the behaviors that create culture. That’s behaviors that create family. How do I learn them? I watch download them. Now. I’ve already learned how to be a member of the family and the community. I didn’t even read a book I hypnosis. After age seven, no, you could still create new programs, I say, how do you do that? I go, repetition. You want to play music instrument, you didn’t just pick it up and played, you had to practice and practice you want to drive a car, if you can, the first day you got in there froze you maybe but you had to practice and now you can drive a car without thinking about it. Okay? You know, anything that you want to make, like into a habit, it’s practice repetition. So that’s second way of creating a program. And the third way is expedient very fast nature said we need to learn to change our behavior quickly because we’re facing an extinction and immediate future. And so there must be better faster ways to change a program because those first two are slow. And the third way is what’s called energy psychology. That’s a modality engages something equivalent to Super learning. Right super learner, most people don’t know what that means. I said, Well, maybe you’ve seen somebody read a book where they just move the finger down the page, just like that. As fast as I just did that they read every word on that page. That’s using a super learning technique. Well, if you can use super learning to reprogram, then you can change beliefs that have been inhibiting you. For years, you can change john kerry’s 67 years old, you can still change that program very quickly using what is called energy psychology. And just give people insight on my website, simple Bruce lipton.com. Under resources are 25 or more different versions of energy psychology, just so you can see there are many different ways to get there. So there are three ways hypnosis, repetition, energy, psychology, what do you want to do? Look at your life. Where’s the struggle? recognize the struggle is not from outside, it’s from an inside that I can rewrite that. So now I know what I’m struggling. So I also know what I want. So you want to program not struggle you want to program I want not actually don’t even want to program I want you want to program and I have I am already, you got a program, the end picture, not the transition picture. transitions, I want this, I say, record that today. And let’s come back next year. And I say how’s that program? Let’s hear it. I want this I got Oh, you’re still wanting? I got one thing is character on its own. It’s not the destination that you’re just going to be one. So is I am I have, these are the kinds of programs that have to go in as if you already have what you want. And the job of the mind is to take that belief and turn it into reality through your behavior. So I say yeah, just look at your life. The programs are what is staring you in the face the phone, they’re hitting you in the face of Wolfram fly, because wherever you finding struggle, it’s not because the environment won’t give it to you. It’s because your program doesn’t support it. And now you know what to change. And if you know how to change it, then heaven on earth does not have to be a short honeymoon segment of your life. Heaven on earth can be every day of your life. Because when you have your wishes and desires as programs, that 95% of the day, they’re automatically what manifesting your program without you even thinking about it, because that’s what you’re doing right now. But the programs you’re using, may not be giving you what you want.

Guy 44:34
Yeah, that’s beautiful, Bruce, it’s, um, I think I’ll just reflect my own journey. It’s a way of being isn’t it? And the, I think, but I struggled to remember what my older self was like, because I’ve been kind of involved in this so long, like the old self was so familiar with itself. I just assumed that who I was, and I attach my whole identity to it, but from doing this work and unlearning, I’m now It’s still me, but it’s different me, but it’s just a different way of being and my mood, my attitude, my perceptions. Everything is definitely changed even though I didn’t notice it like in one moment.

Bruce 45:12
No, it actually, the only way you really see the change is to look back. Yeah, in the process of change, you don’t see it because it’s live action. It’s only when you look back and go, Well, how were those actions? Now you have review you can get in the midst it’s process.

Guy 45:28
Yeah, absolutely. I got I got one last thing I’d love to touch on. Before we wrap up, and that is because you mentioned about the new science of quantum physics. And, you know, I think you mentioned this being the most studied science as well, but we don’t hear about it at all. You know, we don’t hear about energy medicine, we don’t hear the effects of this makeup and this inter chain exchange of us and, and it blows my mind. Really? Well, I just wanted you to talk to that a little bit and what your thoughts are on this?

Bruce 46:01
Very much. So what does the new science mean? What is quantum physics? What does energy healing site? Let’s do that one first, because that’s an easier one. Okay. One of the if it’s not the top, it’s the second top incoming income producing corporate ration is pharmaceutical industry. Okay. They’re the top income of corporations, all of all the corporations, they sell drugs. I go, yeah, so what? Well, that’s because I believe I’m a victim. And if I have an illness, I have to buy their product. I’m a victim. They’re the healer. They’re the seller of that product. And I will buy, you know, it’s like, God, I mean, it’s just horrific, because they’re not involved with humanity. Excuse me… pharmaceutical companies or corporations, and why emphasize very much is first law and law of I’m making a corporation, the first principle of a corporation is its mission is to create a profit for its shareholders. Whatever the hell its mission is, its mission of a corporation is to provide profit. If it doesn’t do that, then it fails the mission statement, and in court could be broken, because it didn’t do it. Okay. So I say pharmaceutical industry is a corporation. Its job is to make money. I say so and I go, Well, it makes money by what Haven’t you believe that the only way to heal yourself is through the chemistry called drugs and they sell at exorbitant prices. Okay. And to me, it’s like, it’s the worst criminal action ever, for this reason. Let’s say my brother had hepatitis C. And the story I won’t, you know, gonna live through it, but it’s gonna shorten your life and you can’t do anything about it move. And then they come up with a pill. Like, oh, wow, they got a pill for hepatitis C $1,000 per one pill. How many pills do you need? a year’s worth? Actually, you need over 100 pills. I say why is irrelevant. Then the prescription you just bought to save your life is going to be over $100,000 just for the pill. I go Wally, she’s well 60% of bankruptcies in the United States due to medical costs. I got hepatitis C where the hell am I going to come up with $100,000 to buy bills? I’m going to go bankrupt. I’m going to sell everything I god, I’m going to be on the road in a van. Okay, worst one. There’s a childhood disease which is a neuro Mio muscle neuro junction thing. And children that have this have a short lifespan. And they get to be like toddlers to some level and then Boom, crash. So here’s a woman who just gives birth to this baby finds out. Baby has the syndrome with a genetic issue where Okay, it’s like old days. His baby’s not going to live that long. Okay, new days. They have a drug, genetic engineering form to take care of this. My Baby, you’re going to save my baby? Yes. It costs a million dollars to buy the drug. The by the process. I thought they might as well put a mask over their face and a gun in their hand say you want that kid to live give me a million dollars. But Geez. Are they worried about the patient? No, they’re worried about the profit and I guess a wise energy Medicine a problem for them? And the answer is energy medicine reveals you don’t need pharmaceuticals to heal yourself, you just need to change your energy fields, which is quantum physics. So why is it relevant is that if you could put energy into a capsule, the pharmaceutical companies would be selling that energy drug at this very minute, but you cannot put it into a unit and sell it. And therefore, it is competition for drug companies. The more you buy energy healing, the less you buy drugs. So, the medical industry is led by this pharmaceutical industry, which is got a tanzen. The FDA, which is Federal Drug Administration, nine states is still run by these pharmacal viral the medical schools teach by funding and funding comes from big organizations like pharmaceutical industry, so you teach what is in their interest. So medical schools do not fully go into this new area of healing and all that that is fundamentally the direction we need. Why corporate interest. So that’s number one. And I go well, that quantum physics is just more than just your own physical bodies about creating this whole world give me I can be empowered, using quantum physics knowledge in my life. Yeah. Okay, then we’re not going to tell you about it. That’s, that’s the leadership. We’re not gonna tell them. They don’t want us to be empowered. I remember movie sicko by Michael Moore. And there was a British parliamentarian Tony Benn interviewed. And Tony Benn said outright, straighten your face. He said, governments do not want a healthy, intelligent population, because they’re difficult to control. And I look at the world I go, especially us where I want. I’m old. I remember a long time ago, we were something we were the leadership and technology were the leadership, I mean, all kinds of things, education and everything. And now we’re like the stupid country down near the bottom in the West. And one of the unhealthiest of all countries, even though they spend the most money. I go, we are living exactly what Tony Benn said. He said that governments do not want you to have this. And I go, I was quite unfortunate, because the new physics, quantum physics is about 100 years old, and another couple of years. So it’s like, okay, it shouldn’t be the new physics. And it should be the most understood science of the entire public, because it is a science of your consciousness is creating this. And if you don’t like what this is, you can change your consciousness. And all of a sudden that freedom, what do we get out of it? Oh, we got computers and cell phones and atomic bombs and things like that. But do we get a freedom out of it? That’s not the side of the physics. They’re offering the public.

Guy 52:59
Yeah. And I remember I’m think Gregg Braden touched on it. He spoke about if, if they didn’t have our best interests at heart, and we were exploring science constantly Sure, we would all be having a healthy discussion to move forward, and not the separation, and then just putting the information out that they want you to hear at any one stage.

Bruce 53:22
Most important fact is, you know, if we just stopped the conversation, I just add this one more, I think, very most important factor. Now, this is when stress hormones are released into the system, they shut down the immune functions. They shut it down. I say Really? I said, Yeah, it’s so powerful. That when they do like a transplant of an organ, a kidney, a lung, a heart, that they give the recipient stress hormones, before the operation, because that will limit the function of the immune system and rejecting the foreign organ. I go, you mean stress hormones are that powerful that is used therapeutically to shut off the immune system? I go, yeah, I go, then. What do you think about watching the fear? That is propagated every minute of the day on news stations, which are not news stations, they’re no entertainment stations because they’re selling ads. Go What is it all about fear? The flu is coming in. Well, it’s not flu, it’s called the COVID is coming, it’s gonna kill you. It’s like, I’m a recipient at home. I just got fear. I go, why is that relevant? Well, you just started to shut down the immune system. You’re now yourself up for the fear to manifest itself. And as long as you keep people in fear, you control them. Because fear shuts off the I’m open to the world puts you into a spore and then says somebody else take care of this. Yeah. And that’s where we live.

Guy 54:56
And the world’s gone crazy. Sometimes. I do wonder The admin, I’m aware of the time person, I just got a couple of questions. One is, you clearly are very happy, loving, excitable guy. You know, every time I speak to you, I always feel fantastic at all and everything, you know, I’m like, wow, we’re just, you know, and do you have any morning routines or practices for yourself? Or do you just kind of live it these days? And you just with it?

Bruce 55:29
You know, I did a lot of that reprogramming, as I mentioned, because I look, I’m trying to tell people how it worked. I had to do it myself. Otherwise, I can’t say that it worked. And I went back, and I started to reprogram the things that put me into the I’m the victim, I’m under pressure, I got to do this, because of whatever cult, you know, communal reason, what if I don’t agree with that? It’s like, Oh, I can do my own. Oh, and so I reprogram most of it. And Margaret, my partner and I both understanding of the programming, both understanding that I might be bill, I can’t see what I’m doing or saying but it might be self destructive, but she is observing me can tell me that. And the problem is when other people do this for other people, then the recipient of the criticism gets gets really like Don’t you know, I’m being criticized, I go, well, that starts a fight. We’re not criticizing because we both know the programming is invisible, and that if I can’t see it, and she can, and she’s my partner, and as a partner, she’s really free to say, you know, maybe that behavior, just there wasn’t the greatest thing. Which gives them me an opportunity to review and go, No, I don’t like that behavior. Change it. So hypnosis, repetition, energy psychology, rewrite it. And as I’ve gone through now, with a lot, we both came into this standing, and we both then have helped each other rewrite. And so the result is what Now both of us are experiencing heaven on earth. Because both of us have cleared. So what do I do every day? I live my life just normally 95% of it. I don’t even see what the hell is going on. But guess what? When I default to that subconscious, I know that the programs are running now. Our programs that support and enhance my vitality, versus the ones I got programmed with originally, that took away my power. So that’s the fun part of reprogramming once the program is in you. There’s no more work. So automatic, it’s been automatic all your life anyway. But the programs are not necessarily supporting you. But that’s where we discuss Well find out which ones aren’t. And then you could rewrite Oh,

Guy 57:48
yeah, no beautiful I, you know, I was only having a conversation the other day about somebody asked me, Do you think it’s always a struggle, and you’re always coming up against yourself, and you’ve always got to work hard. And you and you missed the beauty in from doing the work kind of thing? And I think you just answered it then, which is

Bruce 58:08
that his belief system? You see, this is the problem. This is the issue with belief systems, a skeptic who says Bruce, you’re full of this, and it doesn’t work is right. And their world, because they have decided that that’s not part of their belief system. And if it’s not part of their belief system, then they’re still back in some other place where they are, but they’re right. Because if they try to change, whatever without following this thing, it’s not going to work because they already just believe it’s going to work. I go well, then a skeptic is right for them. But it’s not necessarily right for me. Because I’m gonna have a different belief. And so therefore, you have to recognize everybody’s right, a Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company, you know, the phrase He said, If you think you can, or you think you can’t, you’re right. And that’s well, that’s the bottom line. So a skeptic. In my opinion. a skeptic said, Bruce, you’re so full of and I go in your world. You do what you want. In my world. I am not doing believe what I want. And it seems like I might be happier than you, Mr. skeptic.

Guy 59:19
Amen to that. Last question, Bruce. Everything we covered today, you know, and I think about the year that’s been had and moving forward and everything, is there anything you’d like to leave our listeners to ponder on?

Bruce 59:33
Yeah, I would like to say COVID if I can say this, and I’m gonna say this Bruce Lipton personal message, you don’t have to believe anything I’m saying. So I can now say something. Okay. And I want to say something is that we have been accused, confusing the virulence of the virus with the weakness of the patient. I get what I mean, I say COVID is SCADA, it’s a real thing, you can get a flow and it’s harsher than any flu you may have had in the past. But it’s not life threatening. If you’re not in a comorbidity situation, meaning you have something in your health that’s already affecting your immune system. And that’s now interfere with your ability to make a response. So there are people that are healthy, and there are people that co-morbidities things like overweight. Okay. People with a cardiac issue already people that have cancer, people that already have problems already in America, which I have the data for, which is why so many Americans are dying. 60% of Americans have one comorbidity that’s not, that’s interfering, but that’s not the problem. 40%, four out of 10 Americans have a total of 2.7 comorbidities between two and three, whatever, two or three overlapping simultaneously, I go, why is that relevant? Say one is a compromise. Two is serious. And three is like you’re already counting out, man, you already got a problem. And I say why is it relevant? Because 80% or so or more of the people get this thing and have that extended? flu, which I don’t want to call it because they want to make it a fearsome item by itself. Don’t call it approach COVID COVID virus as a Coronavirus, has been around here for a million years, man. This is just a version that we haven’t had in our human population. And so that’s why everyone is susceptible. It hasn’t been in this population. So everyone’s open to it. I go, yeah. I says, Is everyone going to die? Because that’s the fear that has been propagated. I go No. Matter of fact, 80% or more of the people just have the flu, they don’t even go to the doctor or go to a hospital. They manage it. Like I said, Why is it relevant? I said, the fear of the flu is more dangerous in my mind, than the actual flu itself. And I say well, dangerous itself I got well, then you first you have to do personal assessment. You have comorbidities, you have a heart issue. Are you overweight? Do you have diabetes? Do you have these any of these other things? Why? Well, you have to start adding those things up and saying, Man, I’m susceptible. But if you don’t have these comorbidities, I’m susceptible, but it’s just going to be the flu, and I’ll manage it. And I say but the fear shuts off the immune system, stress hormones, and the fears being sold rampantly. Oh you’re gonna get it this way, it’s gonna come this way. And this is gonna happen to you got five different things are gonna happen and it’s gonna kill you and never go Shut up. Because what you’re doing is feeding a weakness that you already told people that were susceptible to this and it’s going to get you I go every year, it’s flu season, every year people die. Yeah, a lot of people are dying this year ago, a couple of reasons. A, this flu has never been around before. So everyone is susceptible to it and be the human population in a state of collapse of civilization is weakened. The food weed is industrialized garbage, okay? The animals and plants that are stressed to hell to provide for this the make the you know, the dollar and all that is compromised the the value of all that, then you throw the fear in of this and the fear of that you can get this and you could lose your job and you don’t have any money to pay for this. It’s like, Oh my god, you know, lockdown? Oh, my God, some people can’t afford to live week to week without the paycheck. And then you lock them down. You tell me if that stress isn’t going to shut off their immune system? Actually, you bet it is. And then you find out well, who the more susceptible people, the weakest ones in the community, of course. And that comes down to class like in the US the blacks, they don’t have the, the you know, they’re already the weakest ones. And now you got throw that on top of them. Okay. And we have to wake up now. And the wake up is this. I want to be healthy, you know, but that hasn’t been a mission. When you go to the doctor doesn’t say listen, before I give you the pill. I want you to do all these exercise things and eat this way and I want you to stay healthy and then I’ll give you the pill. No, no, here’s the pill. And maybe you should take care of yourself. I mean, firstly, carry yourself take a pill later. And reality is that is not the mission statement. A doctor doesn’t really emphasize if I give you a prescription for the pill, I want you to follow this prescription to get healthy. I can’t help you if you’re not healthy. And the pills not going to help you either. And yet the idea are they selling health first no first or selling a pill also come later. I go backwards. Totally backwards, we have to take care of ourselves, eat healthy, eat organic, do exercises, don’t move, get the circuit, you’re going to use this machine, use it or lose it applies to every part of our human body, from mind to toes, use it or lose it. And we’re not being encouraged with the idea of this, we’re not in harmony, we’re not in health, and the planet is a mirror of the chaos that’s going on inside of us. And that, if we wake up, not all humans are going to perish here, folks. The ones that are awake, are going to thrive into the future.

Guy 1:05:47
It’s fascinating verse, thank you for sharing all that. Because you don’t hear in the media at all about the immune system, how to take care of it, what, what action steps we could do in to be supporting our own health. Like it’s all fear, I often ponder, and I don’t know whether it’s just my thoughts going off. But I wonder sometimes if, if COVID was never mentioned in the media from the start, and it just kind of went through and without the microscope, what would have actually happened to the results of the human population, as it went and how much has contributed, you know?

Bruce 1:06:22
Well, it sure as hell wouldn’t be the percent of people that are affected by it as of today. But today, as I said, isn’t just their own personal stress from the fear of COVID. At some stress, at every level of survival, everyone has to go out and get a, you know, the income, the income is a measure of survival. And if your income goes down, down, down, and you’re living at the very edge, you’re already at the edge of survival. And the idea is you don’t need just push the COVID on top of that, and then it’s the last straw, it’s the straw that breaks the camel’s back, so to speak. So that last straw is like I needed that. And the fact is, it’s not, I don’t know where it comes from outside of number one, greed. Number two, it’s an expression of Darwinian evolutionary theory, which allows for what the elimination of the non you know, the weak ones, which is says, in fact, you should support this. What I mean is overpopulation, which is from Thomas Malthus, which gave us a belief that there will never be enough. overpopulation is part of a Darwinian theory that says, That’s why the other ones die, they were not fit enough. So allow them to die and I go, you can have like 2 million, you know, people in an Africa die of starvation ever goes. That’s Darwinian, start winning, that’s a human civilization, what the hell are you talking about? Because Darwinian theory is wrong. But if you practice Darwinian theory, the fullest out practice of Darwinian theory, Nazi Germany, took that as a science book of what racial extension, you know, superiority of this genetics or without genetics and all that I go, that is Darwinian theory, get rid of the weak ones, they decided who was going to weaken and kill them before they got there. Okay. And the idea about that is this is anti evolution. Evolution is cooperation. And what I’m saying is, are we in a situation because they’re conspiracy to control like that? Or is that control because of like the money? Or is that control because honestly, the science that they are programmed with? Darwinian theory says, This is what we would do with an overpopulation. And I go, I don’t know which way to look at it, you know, because both, I get it from the money, or I did it because I wanted to save civilization are both creating the same conclusion. And I don’t trust the drug company. So number one, I got a problem right there.

Guy 1:09:07
I don’t know how many people do anymore. Yeah. Now there’s plenty to ponder on Bruce. If anyone wants to get more of your work, there’ll be a link below the show notes. But if you could say it out loud as well, the best way to check it out.

Bruce 1:09:20
It’s really wonderful. There’s a website, which is so simple, Bruce lipton.com. It’s a new website just and it’s got a community section two it where people that want to share their histories, whether they be medical, or social, or whatever they want to share with community, using the science and having conversation. This is great. This gives them an opportunity to talk to people about issues. I have a kid that has this and then somebody can write and say yes, and this is what we did, and you know that they can share this information because sharing knowledge is sharing power and so I’m happy about that, because it gives power back to the person on the web to make a communication that could help other people as well.

Guy 1:10:08
Amazing, amazing, Bruce, thank you, for everything, thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for all that you do. Oh, and being a voice out there, you know, you’ve been a huge influence influence on me over the years. And, and I’m just grateful to be able to do this and pay it forward in other ways as well. So

Bruce 1:10:24
well, I am thankful for your focus that that this is at your mind has relevance to it. But be I also thank you for your effort to bring this out into the world, which means the audience that is going to watch this, I want to thank them, because by paying attention to this program, they become what I call cultural creatives that can change the world. Because the thinking is not going to be found in the box that is collapsing, the thinking is outside that box. And so I want to thank you for being a broadcast our Clarion have this outside the box thinking because it is the way to thrive into the future not survive, but thrive. And I hope we all do that. Because the more people that do, the more this actually is heaven, which I think it is

Guy 1:11:15
100% or a beautiful place to end it. Thank you. Thank you.

Bruce 1:11:19
Thank you. So appreciate it, Guy.