#154 This week, my lovely guest is Dr. Nisha J. Manek. Nisha is a Rheumatologist and “a seeker of Truth.” She graduated from Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio and completed her medical studies at the University of Glasgow, Scotland. In her commitment to innovative approaches to health and wellness, Nisha seeks to synthesize her work as a physician and scientist with Spiritual inquiry and practice.

Our conversation revolved around bridging science and spirituality. Nisha tells us about how our preoccupation with technology has distracted us from realizing our true potential as humans. “We have forgotten what we are truly capable of,” Dr. Nisha tells us. We also talk about the potentials of medicine, and how if it evolves out from Chemistry, it can be much more healing for the patients and the doctors themselves. In this episode, you will hear answers to questions regarding the importance of intention, and whether it can alter the laws of nature itself. Can one man alter the PH of water, by intention alone? Tune in to hear all about it.

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About Dr Nisha: Nisha Manek was born in the highlands of Kenya, a region along the Great Rift Valley not far from the equator. She spent her early upbringing in the village of Ol’Kalou in the province of Kenya’s famous tea plantations.

Nisha graduated Summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa honor society from Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio. She completed her medical studies at the University of Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom. Nisha did her fellowship in rheumatology at Stanford University, Stanford, California. She was faculty in the Division of Rheumatology at Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota for more than eleven years.

At Mayo Clinic, Nisha served on many boards, including the inflammatory arthritis clinical working group; the task was setting the standard of care for patients with rheumatoid arthritis. Additionally, she served on the research committee for rheumatology assessing new protocols for arthritis studies.

In her commitment and dedication to innovative approaches to health and wellness, she seeks to synthesize and unify her work as a physician and scientist with Spiritual inquiry and practice. With mentorship of Dr. William A. Tiller, Professor Emeritus of Stanford University Department of Material Science and Engineering, she is studying the potential power of human consciousness and intention in healing. Related to the subject of consciousness and healing, Nisha moderated HH 14th Dalai Lama’s visit to Mayo clinic in 2008.

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Key points with time stamp:

• Nisha’s work in her own words (0:16)
• Have humans discovered the truth abut life? (0:59)
• How much are humans truly capable of? (2:17)
• Why have science and Western medicine not given much weight to the study of consciousness? (6:07)
• How was the medical system affected the doctors themselves? (10:21)
• Meeting Dr. William Tiller, Nisha’s bridge between spirituality and medicine (11:16)
• Observing our own minds, and what it can do (18:27)
• Tillers work and Nisha’s book (21:41)
• Can anyone access the higher dimensions inside themselves? (28:15)
• Nisha on the power of intention (28:44)
• What is the potential with our intentions? (32:46)
• Nisha’s practices which allow for the evolution of her consciousness (39:17)
• Who is Nisha’s book written for? (45:43)
• A low point in Nisha’s life that became a blessing (48:19)
• What Nisha leaves us with (50:15)

Mentioned in this episode:

• Bridging Science and Spirit (2019). Nisha’s book
• The Little Prince (1943). A book by Antione de Saint-Exupery
• The Mayo Clinic, United States
• William Tiller
• Stanford University, California
• Einstein
• The Dalai Lama
• Jesus Christ
• The Buddha
• Krishna
• Psalm 91
• Swami Yogananda
• Lord Shiva

Dr Nisha Manek’s Website:
nishamanekmd.com

Nisha’s Book: Bridging Science and Spirit:
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07W6XH7NT/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0

 

About me:

My Instagram:
www.instagram.com/guyhlawrence/?hl=en

My website:
www.guylawrence.com.au
www.liveinflow.co

 

TRANSCRIPT

Guy 00:06
Nisha, welcome to the podcast.

Nisha 00:11
Hey, good to be with you, Guy. Good morning to you in Australia.

Guy 00:16
It certainly is. It certainly is. I like to start the show and asking every all my guests the same question. And I but I always find it sparks a great conversation anyway, is that if you were at an intimate dinner party right now. And they were all strangers, and you sat next to someone, and they asked you what you did for a living? What would you be saying?

Nisha 00:39
I’m a seeker of Truth. Talk about as nebulous and vague as you can get. But really, it’s true. I’m a scientist, a medical doctor. But ultimately, I really want to know what human beings are capable of, really, my whole motivation.

Guy 00:59
Love it. And you know, the first thing I would ask there actually is, have we strayed from the truth, or have we just not discovered the full truth?

Nisha 01:11
I think it’s a bit of both, I think we have straight away because we become enamored with technology. We become enamored with convenience. We become enamored, also with quick fixes.And Homo sapiens are much more than convenience. We have such latent capacities, that that’s our real work. That’s our real work of living of being here on earth. And that was the whole discovery for me with the physics. And it was so immense that I wrote this book, bridging science and spirit. And it turned me inside out, upside down and inside out. So we have straight away, because we’ve put all our emphasis on technology, and we’ve forgotten what we really are. What we are really capable of. Yeah.

Guy 02:17
How much do you think we are capable of?

Nisha 02:20
Yeah, yeah, very good question. We are reflecting all the time, our consciousness, what is essential is invisible to the eye. What is essential is invisible to the eye. This line is actually from le Petit Prince, leopard, the book, The Little Prince by Antoine Exupery. I was reading it the other day. What is essential is invisible to the eye. Which means consciousness is everything. But here’s the thing. We don’t have a definition of what it is. But we can say, what consciousness does. It operates through intention. It’s a tool. So me, Nisha showing up today to be with God is my intention to be present. And my intention to communicate and the symbols I use our language, English in this case, and my gestures, okay, so what is invisible, is very essential. In medicine, and I’m a medical doctor, I’m a rheumatologist, we have left that complete aspect of what a human is totally on the side. Totally. What do we do every day in medicine. We analyze material things, in this case, the body because we can see it. And yet I tell you, the more magnificent part of the human is the invisible conscious realms. But we don’t give words to it very little. Okay, so my book dives there. And I think bridges the gap from the material science to this aspect of consciousness, that invisible realm, and it takes different shades different. The content of consciousness is many, many things. You have the content of consciousness of willingness, we’re here willing, my consciousness is always analyzing, I’m analytical, okay? consciousness of the heart. We want to serve people. willingly. We’re Thanksgiving today in the United States. I’m thankful to be with guy and it is also a day to come together. Acknowledge the gifts that we have with each other relationships. So that content of consciousness plays out today. So consciousness is always there. unbounded. There’s one big disruption in my book. Consciousness is not in your skull. It’s not the brain, I’m going to emphasize this again. The content of your consciousness is not coming from the brain, the brain is a perceptual tool. It’s an Oregon, beautiful, amazing Oregon. You can pump it by meditation and contemplation and good things, good books, good music, arts, math. And like a biceps, you can, you know, I use a dumbbell to pump up my bicep and I build it up like that you can build up your brain in certain ways. That’s all it’s a it’s a wonderful, or again, but consciousness is it doesn’t come from it. It’s a perceptual organ.I’ve said a lot already.

Guy 06:08
No, I love it. This is This is amazing. You know, what occurs to me there as well as thinking back to us, we don’t give enough weight, like, like you said, the medical establishment and not even looking at it. Now why? Why do you think that is? Is it? Because if it’s not seen, it doesn’t exist? Is that the mentality we have right now? Or is it because of, we are so immersed in technology and the left side brain and the thinking mind and this problem solving, that we disconnect ourselves from it? So we never give ourselves the time to build that relationship? with it? Because

Nisha 06:46
you you Yeah,

Guy 06:47
yeah. I don’t need any convincing because I have a relationship with it.

Nisha 06:52
Yes. So this is such an important question. And I actually, you know, my book has seven pillars in the very first pillar Hias I asked this question. Medicine is stuck in chemistry. It stuck in analyzing and then giving chemicals to fix it. Why is it like that? What What is the tradition in medicine that has put us down this pathway very firmly. So, okay, and we’ve cut make big holes, because we’re sort of muddling around with more molecules and chemicals all the time. It’s very limited way of thinking. I think there multiple reasons. One is, you mentioned the technology. I can’t tell you how many times at the bedside, I teach medicine. And the students will say, the MRI and the X ray showed and I say, Wait, wait, wait, wait, what is the clinical question? What is this patient all about? Who is the human behind the MRI? Who is the human behind this chest film, who is the human behind the sodium and the potassium, and all of those things that we keep doing, and they have never died there. So it’s very easy to become mesmerized With this knowledge and knowledge will fool you. It is very limited. We have never asked the question, Who is this human to even take a moment breathe, shake their hand, look them in the eye and say, Hello, do you know how many times we rush in and out rush in and out? Looking at I’ve seen your results in your eyes, you know, barely looking at the patient. So there is that technology, this knowledge base based on the body. We’re so mesmerized by this body. And its functions. And it’s very real, we make it so real because we can measure it. We can put a tape measure, we can put scales on it, we can put a thermometer. So it’s very, very tangible. And so you mentioned the other thing, consciousness intention are invisible. But I tell you that in bridging science and spirit, there’s no question in my mind looking at the physics of these things, that that has more power. And that is what regulates the body, not the other way around. And once we teach our patients that once we show them, that their consciousness and their intention is so important in their healing, now they have a chance to take charge. Until then, they’re going to say, tell me what to do, doctor. I tell them yeah, of course, you know, here’s a script, but I now have changed my practice to really understand their real challenges where their consciousness is, and actually to look at their fears. To look at their fears, yeah. Because it’s hidden in all the anxieties, all of their stories, all of their runs in my family type of thing. And you have to stop and give the space to hear them out.

Guy 10:17
Yeah, and that doesn’t happen very often at all.

Nisha 10:21
When it’s how medicine is set up. Yeah, it’s the system. It has not served the patient, and it has not served the doctor, you know, we’re burning out in record numbers.

Guy 10:31
Wow.

Nisha 10:32
We’re burning in the United States. I would say. There’s been a lot of work now. One in two, and I think it’s higher. Actually. it’s higher than that. That’s incredible. More doctors committing suicide, addictive behaviors, and burning out. Okay. You look very surprised guy, but it’s a fact.

Guy 10:51
Wow, I don’t see that world very often as well. So you know, I’m just removed for it. And and I have no doubt as well for the people I’ve met. Everybody comes in intentionally with the with the right.

Nisha 11:04
Oh, good moral compass.

Guy 11:05
Yes, we want to heal, right. I believe that in everyone. But then I think it’s the system itself, that’s not supporting the progress.

Nisha 11:16
The system is mechanized technology, robotic, we’re clicking boxes. And we’ve forgotten that beautiful human, the human that has the capacities of immense achievements. And that’s where I come into tillers work. You know, I here I am. In an amazing Medical Center, you might have heard of mayo clinic in the United States, it’s probably the number one clinic in the world, it it rates very high in the top one, one to two, okay. And so I’m here. And I pick up one of his physics papers, and he’s writing in medical journals, and the paper titles themselves are so impossible, but I was so interested in the human bio field because I’m doing chemistry. And I knew there’s something more to this human body, you know, I can dissect when I dissect, I see nerves and muscles. But I know that there’s energetic systems to we just don’t dissect, we can’t see it. It’s invisible. But how do we get our arms around this question? So I’m looking at the literature, nothing much in medicine. And I stumbled into bill tillers work. And I can tell you, I couldn’t understand his papers, but it grabbed me, grabbed me so much, I couldn’t let go. And I walked away from an immense career in everything set, prestige, Professor area got schedules I teach and I lecture and very famous and I told you, I’m a seeker of the truth. And I felt that tiller was onto something so great. I couldn’t put words to it. But my my intuition here, I had to, I had to just go and look at it. And I walked away.

Guy 13:06
So well, it was William Teller, your bridge from the science into the spirituality.

Nisha 13:12
Actually, the spirituality has always been with me. And it was missing in medicine. It’s something we don’t talk about. We don’t talk about prayer. We don’t talk about consciousness. We don’t talk about intention and healing. And yet they’re so fundamental to us as human species. So I was really feeling a bit starved until I ran into his work. And I went, Whoa, this is science. And he’s talking about something that addresses the human biofield. But he’s doing something more. And that’s when I contacted him. You know, yeah, that’s when I thought oh, I read. Yeah.

Guy 13:53
And I look

Nisha 13:54
back and I think my god, you know, what did I do? What did I do? It was fantastic. Fantastic. Yeah.

Guy 14:01
So when did you contact him? And how old is he? Like, how long have you been looking at this work?

Nisha 14:06
Yeah, you know, I contacted him around 2009. And it took several months. He’s now 92. He’s retired in Arizona. He used to be a William tiller was a professor of physics at Stanford University. In California, a giant I mean, this man has immense science background. I mean, at Stanford University chairman for over 35 years. He has patents and you know, hundreds if not 1000s of papers to his name in the conventional science. what’s what’s ingenious with Tillerson, this is what I got immediately when I first met him. What what’s really fascinating about tiller is that not only he has the scientific background, the mathematical background But he also has the meditative structure. He has been meditating daily for one to two hours without fail for 50 to 60 years. So when I met him in Scottsdale, Arizona, you know, I was terrified of meeting this giant I thought, oh my god, you know, it’s like meeting Einstein. What do you ask somebody like Einstein for dinner? You know, I was really scared. And yet this man is like, let me let me give an analogy. I’ve met His Holiness, the Dalai Lama. It felt like I was meeting His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, except this Dalai Lama happens to know math. Wow, he know science and he knows it from his bones, okay. He makes new math, he makes new protocols. He is the chairman of Stanford. So Wow, I thought he has made two things. Science and spirit, totally join. They’re inseparable in his life, inseparable. In medicine, we have never paid attention to the spiritual world. We’ve paid attention to the body, the mechanism of the body, but this other part was missing any nice world. They’re inseparable. I thought, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, tell me more. Because physics can inform medicine in a unique way. In a fresh way, we need a new paradigm for God’s sakes. And he gave it to me. You know, he actually refused to work with me in the beginning. He says, you know, you don’t know physics. We, I’m a physician. He’s a physicist, how do we meet in the middle? How are we going to even have a conversation? told you I couldn’t understand his papers. But I was so committed. And he, out of the blue, he said, No, no, no, thank you after the dinner. No, no, no, no, no, go back to me. And out of the blue, he called me. And he says, you may have had been thinking about your proposal to come and study, you know, that I could help you understand the physics. He says, you know, if you can translate some of my physics for your colleagues in medicine, then I think I can work with you. But there is one prerequisite. And I said, What is it? What is your condition? I was all ears, I was excited, actually. And he says, You must meditate every day. I will not work with you. Unless you become familiar with your own mind. He didn’t say it quite like that. But when I look back, that he was trying to say something to me, that we have a whole Cloud of Unknowing of chaos, neurotic lifestyles. And I bring my own special brand of neurosis. You know, I had certain programs, my medicine, my training into the world of physics. And he says you might, it’s okay. But you need to become familiar with your own momentum. And once you can know that, then you have a chance to move forward. You can leave certain things, but I cannot tell you that you must learn those lessons. It was very, it was a big gift to me, to to make that meditate.

Guy 18:27
That’s incredible, because that’s a message there for everyone, isn’t it that we are so caught up in our own stories, our own clouds, our own fears, our own judgments, our own self worth, and it’s all we can transcend that to observe it.

Nisha 18:44
Absolutely become a witness. And you know, at first you get very scared of this monkey mind. But what I teach my patients if I may share with you is close the door. Close your eyes, close your ears, nothing fancy. Put your hands down. Close your eyes, close your ears. Close the door means to the outer world. And then we at the bedside, actually teach them breathe in, breathe out. Now shift your awareness down to your heart center. I tapped them on the center of the chest. And for about five minutes, we both rest. There are awarenesses on the hardware, not trying to control anything, force anything. But together. We share something quite immense. And when they open their eyes You know what they say? Thank you. I feel good. Or even silence. Let’s move into silence. Silence. Be silent. It’s the greatest gift. We can Give to each other to ourselves to the universe where we’re, you know, we belong to the universal family. And if we can just be quiet. Yeah. So, I teach this you know, we just did this exercise in guy I must say it’s really hard actually to talk to you. It’s very natural for me to actually go into silence very quickly, actually. So I think tiller for saying please, if I’m to work with you meditate because you will get he actually said later on you get your it’ll take time for you to get rid of your crap. Take time to get rid of your crap. Every day those stacks come up, you know, to be resolved. The fears the neurosis. I do telemedicine, it’s COVID-19. The clinics are shutting and closing and opening and closing in California. There’s a new lockdown. It’s the highest level Actually, we can’t put masks and no Thanksgiving celebrations. I mean, it’s really an order from our governor. And so I think this is a great gift in a sense for me to become silent. I it’s a big meditation to to connect in a new way to my patients through the camera. So these lessons are fresh and vital. Okay, they’re not all they’re fresh and vital for this age. It’s adaptable.

Guy 21:41
Absolutely, yeah. So with all your teaching from William. Yes, since 2009. Is that what then you compiled to them put into this book? Essentially, this

Nisha 21:56
book? Yeah, is essentially the major themes of Dr. tiller’s work. I used to meet with him every Thursday for two hours in Scottsdale, from Mayo in Minnesota, I moved to Arizona literally overnight, at night doctor walked away. And I went into no job. Nothing. I was in this immense environment to an empty apartment, air bed for my bed, and a stack of physics books. And I said, I want to know how he did this. What he did was, what he did was this. He said he’s a material scientist, okay, he’s a physicist, absolutely fantastic. And he knows the lab sighs like, easy. He says, Can my intention change property of a material out there. In the end, he chose the material water. And water is neutral. And he says, in his intent, intention means an aim or resolve to do something. Okay. So his intention was that we test it out? Can I Can my intention, my thinking, change the pH of water? Just that. And he says let’s do it in lab conditions. So imagine you, guy in Minnesota trying to change pH of water with our thinking Enos, can it be done? That’s what essentially what he was asking. And he says, You know, I don’t know if the protocol will work, but we should try it. And he wrote out the intention. That’s the other secret, he made an intention very chiseled. He wrote it out. Then he held it in mind, in a meditative way. So when initial holds an intention, it used to be bounced back and forth, I changed my mind everything else crowd you know, I mean, now the intentions are taking root. And I also realized a lot of intentions were needless, I didn’t want a new car, I didn’t, you know, those things would come up. I want this, I want this, but actually, the intention is, I want to heal my patient. I want to give my best for my patient XYZ I literally now my intentions have have taken on a different flavor. But for tiller at the time in the 1990s when he was doing his experiments at Stanford was can my intention, change the pH of water? And he did it. And this is what I was getting from his paper that he was successful. Imagine changing a material property with just your thoughts, no chemical additions, no electric, you know, putting little electrodes in water, you can do all kinds of things to water, but with just your thought alone, to change the material property reliably, measurably I was shocked. I didn’t believe it, I was shocked to be true. Because then it changes everything, then we’re on a second revolution of science and apple. Nobody knows him. Why not? If he has done this immense work, I think it’s because I mentioned nobody understands him. It’s hard to follow equations. And he created new language for a higher, he says, we’re just accessing a higher level of nature. It’s there all the time. Now you’re linked. So what he discovered if I may share with you not only intention, very powerful, very powerful thinking, this is very powerful, if you are meditative, and you are very resolute, it has great power. But there was something very immense he discovered in his intention experiments. And that is, the space of the lab itself changed. If I can give you an example, and let’s do a little experiment guy, when you are in your home, and if you are too close your eyes and your ears in your in your kitchen, does it feel differently than your bedroom than your living room than your bathroom are all of those spaces in your own home have different feelings. So if I close my eyes and ears and go to my room, and I keep it all, I have no sensory input, and you put me in my living room, I’ll say it feels different. I know it’s this space is the space. So when I went to tillers labs for the first time, in Arizona, it felt like I was standing in a cathedral. It felt like I was standing in sacred space because it felt restful. When I’m in a church or a temple, I go there to meditate, I could go into a restful state very quickly. And I remarked that to myself, this doesn’t feel like a lab, all these meters and computers and books spilling all over. This is not a physics lab. And He chuckled, he says that’s it. That’s the clue. And so in bridging science and spirit, I go into space conditioning, you know, in science, we have talked about different dimensions, and we go to a forest to tap into nature, it’s a different dimension, it is a higher dimension. And those higher dimensions are in the body. Those higher dimensions are inside of you. It’s a mirror symmetry. Those higher dimensions are the acupuncture system. The chakra system, they’re already inbuilt in us, that’s why we feel enlivened, and charged up. It’s the sparkplug inside of us. And that was really amazing, something really fascinating to show the evidence that our body has the energy and the informational structures already was already there. It’s already there. And that’s

Guy 28:15
incredible. And then no one is it doesn’t matter who you are, what qualifications you got, or what you think about yourself. We all have this already within us. We just got to learn how to

Nisha 28:27
Yes, yes, and have faith in it and I’ve been consistent have faith in it you don’t need chemistry all the time. You can become creators if tiller can change the pH of water in his lab, what can you and I do

Guy 28:44
well that was gonna be my next question is how how powerful Do you think intention is and how much of it is actually affecting the life that we are currently live in? And what is happening within it? person?

Nisha 29:00
Yeah, yeah. Well, how do I answer this question? There’s many in there but I’ll tell you let’s let’s focus on energy because energy is like a law of nature right? It’s the energy is the currency you know, we want energy to in the food we eat energy so I can move my arms energy’s a universal currency. teller showed that in his physics that intention is a source of free energy to do work. intention is a source of energy that change that pH of water. Where does that energy come from? Where’s that subtle energy come from? Not only is it inside of you, I told you that’s the real pump. The subtle energy pump that drives the muscles, the nerves, the digestive juices, the brainstem. To go into gear, it’s the acupuncture in chakra systems. That’s the pump. And in the space, the space has innumerable energies. And once you are a very coherent human being, you’re tapping into that. That’s what temples and cathedrals do. That’s where we go there. And we rest and recharge. Okay, in ancient India, that’s what temples did, we’re when we’re going there to worship, we would go there and lie down and be recharged. And that is inexhaustible. The physical vacuum or the space that we call it, I call it space, because we, we need a common language, but space is a good one for now. Then, that space is full of latent energies. The pinky of your fingertip guy can light up all of Chicago, that much energy is there. I’m giving you very rough analogies, but that’s the truth.

Guy 31:03
I’ve heard him speak about.

Nisha 31:07
Yeah. Okay. I know of him a little bit. But yeah, he’s right. And physics will have done calculations where a single hydrogen atom has enough latent energy in one hydrogen atom that can boil the whole oceans, right? There’s some mathematics to show that. Yes. And I give an example in the book, too.

Guy 31:29
Wow.

Nisha 31:31
So the quantum world hydrogen atom and the cosmic world relativity are united.

Guy 31:39
And that’s what we’re doing with intention.

Nisha 31:42
Lately, you’re uniting the inner with the outer, but it’s the inner work that is the most important I said, What is essential is invisible to the eye. Your consciousness beats lifestyle, every single time, raise your consciousness, raise it.

Guy 32:03
So with that much potential in I always, I’ve always, in my mind called it the zero point field.

Nisha 32:14
You brought up my favorite topic, and I actually write about it,

Guy 32:18
or do

Nisha 32:18
I do in my book? Absolutely. I do. And I’ll tell you, yeah, I’ll let you finish about your zero point field. I’ll give you my perspective.

Guy 32:28
Okay. So I was gonna, the question is going to ask if, if we’re essentially part of it. It’s part of us and we’re all part of the cosmos. And this attempt the subtle energy potential is, yes, sitting there waiting to be tapped in by us.

Nisha 32:44
Yes.

Guy 32:46
With our own intentionality, we direct in life, how far do you think we can take it? What is our potential with our intention?

Nisha 32:57
Beautiful, beautiful. I like your question. I addressed that too. I said, there are shades of consciousness and your intention is a reflection of your consciousness, okay. And tiller is a consciousness of the heart. He does things it moves and manifests. We are Christ. We’re Krishna. We’re Buddha. We are meant to be masters and avatars. We are playing around by kindergarten standards. It’s enough. We now need to let go of the obstacles in reliance on artificial intelligence and technology. It will service it’s it’s nice and comfortable, but we better rise our levels of consciousness because we are meant to be Christ consciousness. Our limitations are none. We’ve just self imposed them. It’s just like a mirror. That’s all dirty. Christ Consciousness my friend. So we’re not just Homo sapiens analytical things beings. We’re homeless spiritus Homo universalis brotherhood of men were meant to live together in cooperation, in helpfulness, because through relationships, we grow in consciousness. And we have attracted every relationship into our life. Barna, every one of them, whether it whether you label it good, whether you label it horrible, you have created this unconsciously perhaps but you have created and the more we are responsible and see it, then we can choose again. Until then you can be a victim of whatever you want to be to stop being a victim and see the the relationships for what they are. They’re real gifts actually.

Guy 34:59
Yeah. You know It really brings home for me, because I spend a large part of my life coding my own story, my own lack of self worth my own belief systems and really struggled to find my own identity and the moment I learned what we’re talking about, and learn to start to give that that up and, and sit beyond it, and start to observe and start to move through it. And then it allowed me to really start to see the gifts in everything that we have in the moment I saw the gifts we have, and then actually become part of service to supporting others to see the gifts within themselves to my life took on a whole new direction.

Nisha 35:43
Exactly, exactly.

Guy 35:45
In ways I could never imagine.

Nisha 35:48
Exactly. And it came from a place to release those patterns, you release that

Guy 35:53
100% 100%. And that’s why I’m so passionate about this work now. Because once you go through the hero’s journey yourself, whatever that looks like, you really start to feel it and see it with others and where they’re at and can want to nudge them along to to become that observer and see the gifts within themselves. Exactly. So

Nisha 36:16
you know, we become aware of our own identifications. Yes. And once you do that, then you can choose again, it’s like Master Jesus saying, Come my brother choose again, he never resisted anything. If you really look at Jesus’s teachings, he never resisted anything, give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. But you are going to really account for the soul of man, that is essential. That is the indestructible the other things will die into dust. But your consciousness, and the lessons you learn in this lifetime, will always bet your gift. That’s why I say moving to the silence. Be still and know that I am God. And once you eat, and that’s a good contemplator practice to you know, if you’ve got so many couches, go into contemplating every day, a little spiritual truth and it’ll come you can release the know the patterns are seen for what they are, then you have a chance to release them. That’s the beauty about spiritual tool signs won’t go there signs will keep changing, you know, take this aspirin, take Tylenol tomorrow. This is too many things side effects. So we’ll have new technology. It’s all fine and good. But I think spirituality. you lean into it, and it’ll serve you well. It’s it’s timeless. Those truths are timeless. And that’s where tiller bridges both in his science, he says, Can I test my consciousness, and he showed that consciousness is capable of so much. And I discuss these things in my book. It’s just we don’t have time. But I can tell you tiller is an incredible human. And he’s homos spirituals. He’s not a homosapiens anymore. He has shown the gift that and he says if I can do this, then I would like your colleagues to wake up. I want fellow humankind to wake up. Because their avatars they’re just sleeping. We can’t be sleeping much more.

Guy 38:26
No, it’s I was gonna say it’s time for us all to, to really wake up,

Nisha 38:32
pick up, raise the season all the courts float higher. So all my work, your work guy is never ever lost. I may be long gone. You know, there is a finite time I have on this planet Earth. But what do I leave behind that awareness and that compassion and that nourishes consciousness leaves its imprint in the field, and it’s indestructible. That’s why I say be careful of what you create, you know, be responsible, take ownership for it. And that’s good. It’s not a bad thing. It’s wonderful. Create good things.

Guy 39:17
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. What I’m, I’m curious with your own personal life, what kind of practices Do you kind of have or do that support this work and allow your consciousness to evolve as we go through life?

Nisha 39:32
Yeah. Spend time in silence. Right now, for the end of 2020. I am contemplating one of my favorite songs, Psalm 91. And Psalm 91 speaks directly to the book number two that I’m writing which is Psalm 91. It’s starts with He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most high, shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. He that not he who he that that’s the formless quality of your consciousness if it abides, in the heart center, you’re always under the protection of the great field of love. These are my interpretations you can have your own. But that’s my reflection, an issue contemplate Psalm 91, it says, and he shall give His angels charge over the to bear the up in their arms less out less tight, dash their foot against the stone. So we have divine guidance all the time. It’s omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. So my contemplate of daily practice holds me steady. And in that silence in contemplator, practice, we did that practice of closing the door, closing the eyes, closing the ears. And being silent. I do that several times a day, actually. I just am going to my room, I closed the door and I’ll sit for 1020 minutes. My family’s very used to this, that she’s gone. And I sit quietly, and they do to their own practices. So whatever serves you, well find it. But the breath and putting your awareness in the center of your chest will get you there. It’s very powerful.

Guy 41:41
That took a long time for it to land for me as a male. But once I got it, yeah, there’s no going back

Nisha 41:50
to you. Would you share with me? What do you practice guy.

Guy 41:54
So every morning, I do it before podcasts like this, I do it before. I’m bringing somebody intentionally insult if I’m intentionally started my day, from potentially bringing my presence like search for podcasts, I normally just put my fingers on my heart, I bring my awareness to my heart, I measure my breath, breathing in and out of my heart. Yeah, and then and then I’ll also while I’m doing that, I started to scan the body and just see if I got tension. If I’m holding tension, what’s my body trying to let me know. And then from that place, I was so down and I try and I try I allow myself to just feel the beat of my heart, and feel into the heart. And then I feel the energy expand instantly. And I feel my heart expand instantly. And while my awareness is still there, I I like to bring for an intention forward for the day, or like I do for every single podcast, my intention is always to hold space, connect with the guest. Allow whatever to be said from the heart needs to be said from the hard word spoken. And with my listeners in mind to have the best experience possible from when listening later. I will help them in some way. So that’s the intention. I said every time.

Nisha 43:11
It’s wonderful. It’s wonderful. Yeah.

Guy 43:14
And sometimes ask a question that I don’t have answers to yet. Then wait, and then go about my day. And then something lands? Oh, well, is

Nisha 43:26
it always led? Yes. When I was writing, bridging science and spirit, you know, I’m not a physicist. So there were difficult times and I took on an immense project just translate this man’s Physics for the world. Many, many people says we just don’t understand him. But we know like I had the intuition he has something very crucial to to contribute. And this is science that contributes to human evolution in a very real way to talking about evolution in consciousness, and he’s speaking directly to it. So times guy I was so I was really fearful that I wouldn’t get the right paper or reference in my editor would give me a real tough time. She says, I don’t believe this. And I prayed. I need the right paper or the right reference and signs to bolster what I am saying here, and I would let it go release it, let it go. And wouldn’t you know it every single time it’s like, I’m sure I done the surgery yesterday. And then I prayed over it. And yes, I was answered. I was answered. And you know, it was I was like a witness to the writing of this book. Honestly, I you know, there’s Lord Shiva shows up. Swami Yogananda shows up scripture showing up either up of Italy. I can’t tell you I served as a, I don’t know, this is this is occurring. And I would, I would write it, you know, but I know that Michelle was a witness to it is the best way I can say I didn’t have a conscious output this and this is I had the greater idea of a bridge, there are seven pillars. And the pillars model absolutely goes into spirit. And I give confirmation that yes, this science is true. I have no question about it. Thank goodness for my editor, she would press my buttons. I want more. More data here. Show me more. And I prayed over it. Yeah.

Guy 45:43
Amazing. Who? Who is your book written for? Is it written for everyone? Is it written in layman’s? Or is it written for the physician that really needs to get?

Nisha 45:52
It’s a good question. I purposely made it for the lay person. So there are seven pillars, and he takes the reader. And they’re they’re really fun essays, you might say each brick have an idea. pillar one, pillar two, all the way to seven. And each idea builds your knowledge and your you you walk across the bridge, right up to spirited, you get the knowledge that tiller was trained to say in a very, very coherent way. And the nicest thing I think about about bridging science and spirit was I doodle a lot. I’m a very visual learner and thinker. And so I converted those doodles into art, into publishable art to each ideas illustrated. So it has more than 60 illustrations. And many readers write and say, This is the best, it is so fun and whimsical. It is whimsical. I have an Italian artist, graphic designer in Milan Daario. And he converted my art into beautiful fun, sometimes I couldn’t believe what he came up with. I said, I’m trying to draw this and I put a graph and this you know, I mean, I was I told you I’m very analytical and a visual thinker. And he would come up with something. And I thought, wow. So you’ll chuckle a lot of people are saying, My God, and then I invented things. Whom would you be attacked, we are skeptical, doubting species. That’s how we operate. That’s rational science. And that has been a big gift. But now it’s an impediment. We must have faith, we have to leave the doubt behind and move forward. With faith. We’re really ripe for it. But anyway, so the book was a lot of fun. It’s so it’s for everyone. So medical colleagues have picked it up and they write to me on LinkedIn. And they say, Oh, my God, this is true. I can really see for the first time we see how the bridge from subtle energies, consciousness intention, we are your right, we are ready to move ahead from just chemical medicine. So colleagues of mine have picked it up. So many laypeople students, medical students, so it’s been a big gift to really enlarge the conversation. Yeah,

Guy 48:19
amazing. I mean, I truly look forward to reading it. I really, that’s wonderful. I got a couple of questions on the show that I asked everyone if that’s okay. And and I feel I need to ask this one because it’ll be interesting what comes out before we wrap it up. But what’s been a low point in your life that is later become a blessing.

Nisha 48:44
I’m by nature, a very optimistic person. And I really am tenacious. And I think that’s my intention. So every part of my life I I’ve actually turned it around. I haven’t so so when I left Kenya, I am from Kenya, I was born and raised in Africa. And I didn’t have much schooling when I was little. And I left when I was 16 or 17. And, and went out into the big world and really made and my family wasn’t even aware that I was going for medical school, they thought I was the crazy person. So so from this, you know, feeling of, you know, you You shouldn’t be doing schooling, it’s now for girls, I said, I’m gonna do it anyway. So, so that you could call it a low point, but I was always It was a springboard to always reach to my capacity and keep reaching, doing physics, reach more, write a book, reach more. What are we going to do next? Working on book number two, that relationship of the Divine, and one physicist that Dr. tillery and I actually Realize is a big clue another one, and I’m writing on that. So, um, yeah,

Guy 50:07
it’s amazing.

Nisha 50:08
Yeah. You’re giving it to me, okay. And we will say, Why the hell did you end up here?

Guy 50:15
I love it. Like for somebody that has a lot of stillness in your life, you have a lot of go get an energy as well, you know, and I really get the feeling that nothing is going to get in your way once you make up your mind you. Yeah. Incredible. Last question. And I asked everyone is, with everything we’ve covered today on the show, is there anything you’d like to leave the listeners to ponder on?

Nisha 50:42
What is essential is invisible to the eye. You’re a big gift. Each and every one of your listeners is an immense child of this cosmos, that they are loved, whatever their challenges might be. And to know that, and to ponder that, and to move into that silence and hold that. And they will be given the next step to realize it, to realize it.

Guy 51:22
Beautiful. And for everyone that wants to get your book. It’s available everywhere. I’m guessing Amazon, it’s

Nisha 51:29
on Amazon. I’m a self published author. And the reason I did that was I wanted to get it into the hands of Dr. tiller, who’s now 92. And so I, a publishing house would have been very interested in this, but I wanted to get it into his hands. So it’s on Amazon. Okay, so Amazon, Australia, it’s an ebook, print on demand and audio. I just released the audio version last month. Yes.

Guy 51:58
Right.

Nisha 51:59
And it’s been number one many times, you know, check here and there and I think Whoa, on intention acupoint acupuncture those categories that Oh, it hits number one several times now. So it’s done. Well,

Guy 52:13
yeah. Congratulations. This

Nisha 52:14
has been fun. Like I said, it speaks to a lot of people. Yes, yeah.

Guy 52:19
Well for everyone listening as always, everything will be in the show notes so they can pause this and scroll down and and check it out. But it’s easier than ever now to you know, get a get a book to you whether like you say is in digital in audio. In physical. It’s all there. So certainly recommended. Nisha, I just want to thank you for your your energy, your enthusiasm, your passion and everything. It just flies across the screen is incredible. And yeah, amazing. Absolutely amazing. And I really appreciate you coming on the show today.

Nisha 52:52
It’s a very Happy Thanksgiving guy for having me. It’s been a real fun time. It’s been fun.

Guy 52:59
You’re welcome. Thank you.

Nisha 53:01
Make no mistake.