#259 From a beautiful venue, Guy and Matt discussed the false idea that self-development leads to a final, perfect state. Instead, they see self-development as a continual journey of growth and evolution towards a bigger version of self. They shared their experiences with this work and announced that they plan to compile their wisdom in a book in 2024. Throughout their conversation, they emphasized the importance of continuous growth, humility, and nurturing a connection with one’s soul or spirit.
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Key Points Discussed:
- [00:00:00] Constant evolution of the self.
- [00:06:09] Releasing ego leads to growth.
- [00:13:04] Embrace life’s flow.
- [00:16:11] Healing Ancestral Lineages.
- [00:20:23] Value of soul over possessions.
- [00:23:41] Following your inner spark.
- 00:25:28 Listen to your heart.
- [00:28:57] Pursuing a Vision.
- [00:31:44] Lessons and growth.
- [00:34:39 Life is an adventure.
- [00:35:47] Seeking growth through human experience.
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TRANSCRIPT
Matt (00:00): But are we, is it going to cut our heads?
Guy (00:13): No, we’re recording, mate. No, look, it’s live. Come on. You can tell we’re in person. Normally when we record a podcast, well, actually at the retreats, this is a tradition now, isn’t it? Record a podcast before we run our next retreat. So you can see we’ve got, if you’re watching this on video, you can see the incredible background behind this beautiful deco.
Matt (00:31): Yeah. Sonja, the owner of this space, wanted to make clear that this is on the way out. This is Remnant’s pre-renovation that’s happening here. It doesn’t really need a renovation. I mean, look at the space. We’re almost ready. We’re almost ready. We’ve got a few boxes on the floor, but the chairs are in a circle. Gong set up stage. Got the incredible light in the center. All the whiteboards, the wisdom. Oh yeah. Two whiteboards. Two, yeah. It’s getting better and better as we come in here. So we’ve got a full house. We got… Yeah, but I just want to go back to the space. I don’t want to badmouth Gymea in any way because it is an incredible space to work out of. We do all our work from here. Exactly. It’s a deep place.
Guy (01:20): If you run retreats, don’t come here because you’ll not allow us to get our spot next year when we book them in. Yeah, we got a lot to say. Yeah, we’re nestled in and we’re in May. I’ve got a beanie on. It is getting cold, but the sun is actually shining outside.
Matt (01:35): I’m really, really shocked to see you in a beanie and I don’t. You’re usually the hot one. Absolutely. Yeah, take it what you can, mate. All right, go on. Run your podcast.
Guy (01:52): Okay, we are. We’re waffling now, but we have many conversations and we want to… Every time we record a podcast, we want to add value and create something out there and share with you guys, wherever you’re listening in the world, and some of the lessons that we learned or the challenges that we see on a regular basis by being in front of a lot of people now. The topic came up this morning because we’re currently writing a book. Well, it’s in the infancy stages of a book. One of our goals is to actually between myself, I almost called you Petra, Matt and Petra, is to bring a book forward in 2024 of a lot of the wisdom and the work that we’ve learned over the years. Anyway, digressing from that, we started to lean into a big theme that will be about the soul and from the conversations we’re having with the self-development industry in general, because we were talking about some of our own experiences over the years. And I love all the experiences I’ve had through all the different seminars and retreats and workshops that I’ve attended over the last 20 years, probably when I started leaning into it. They’ve all served me at some way. And I think the biggest key with any of this work, whether it’s spiritual self-development or inner self-development or however you want to frame it, is that the journey never ends. That’s one thing I want to say as well, that the more I’m learning and asking questions, the more I’m learning. It’s mind blowing, really. I think that’s one of the misconceptions with a lot of this work, no matter what part of the industry you go in, is that there’s a golden nirvana that we get to and then we can put our feet up and we’re there and we’ve made it. If you start to look at the deeper work, growth is essential for progression in general, whether as an individual or as a collective of humanity. So we need that pressure to a degree for us to continue to evolve and learn. And the moment that we think that we got in the bag is the moment we get humbled every time. So is there anything you want to add to all of that I’ve just shared?
Matt (04:18): I’ve been trying to keep up with you, mate. Since morning, we had a late night setting up. I slept amazing. Honestly, I had the best night’s sleep ever. I’m great to hear about your sleep, but let’s just stay in mind here. I’m more grateful that you had a good sleep than anyone. I’ll work next to you for the next three days. The things that popped out at me then were this constant evolution that you’re talking about and it’s this idea at the beginning you said self-development. I think that the thing that often gets overlooked is that we’re developing toward a self and we have an idea of who that self is when we get into this work. But the more that I lean into this work, the more I expand that definition of the self and who I am. And so it starts to then relinquish the grasp of the body, the mind, the emotions as who I am and it nurtures a relationship to the larger part of the self that I am, which is the soul component or the spirit. Capital S. Capital S self instead of small self. So that then leads to what you were talking about in the how when you think you’ve got it all sorted, then you get humbled. And it’s like it’s that then breakdown or breaking down of the self that then allows for the emergence of the expanded self to start to reveal. And so it’s like that is the actual process of evolution, isn’t it? It’s a breaking down to release the wisdom and the growth into something new to create to recapitulate that structure then into a greater version of self.
Guy (06:10): There needs to be disorder for them to be reorder. And that reorder is at a higher level of consciousness. Ultimately. And that’s how we evolve.
Matt (06:21): Right. And then that starts to take us into this idea of what the business is called, Live In Flow and what your podcast Let It In. Right. Both those concepts then are a relinquishing of the grasp of the identity that we hold of that small self and an embracing of the ever expanding, evolving larger self.
Guy (06:45): Yes. But what came up in the conversation as well and one of not a bug bear, but I guess it’s a lesson because again, we’re saying every all experiences are lessons at the end of the day. But when I first started leaning into the self development industry per se, it was from a very ego driven place unconsciously because it’s about like all the, a lot of the work out there is how to make more money, how to create more freedom in your life. And they really talk to these pain points of the ego I felt. And I could get myself in a place where I started learning the concepts and the work of actually how to follow a structure of how to make more money, how to create more freedom in my life, how to live life on my terms and all these very appealing things. Cause I, you know, it only came up one of my podcasts the other day, but it was Robert Gilbert. My two strongest values are love and freedom. Who wouldn’t want more of that? You know, and money is a aspect that we need to function in. Like we have enough challenges in life as it is, if then money becomes a challenge as well, you just, you know, you just, you’re on the back foot even more, you know? So I understand that. And I’ve had to work around a lot around my money language over the years and my belief systems around it, especially growing up without really ever seeing money. Pulling it all back. There was always an element as I lent into this work and as I grew and actually a lot of this work allowed me to lean into having success of my last supplement company. Yeah. Even through about six or seven years in pain before that with the stock trading, not many. I don’t talk about that much.
Matt (08:35 ): I’ve heard of stock trading. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. It’s tragic.
Guy (08:38): It’s tragic. You’ll be feeling very sorry for me if I share that with you. But the point is, is that the whole time I was learning the concepts and everything, I wasn’t really going deep enough in to nurture the soul self that wanted to come through more and more and actually start to unblock or release the energy of that I feel is held within me and within my energy field of belief systems that were kind of fogging the lens of my perception of who I thought I was and myself and how I showed up on a daily basis. So even getting to the point of where I felt in my own pinnacle of 180 Nutrition, the supplement company, where I actually got to a point where I’m thinking, wow, I’m paying myself really well. I’ve got a very nice place. I can find out. I had the Ducati. There was all these things, but then I’m still haven’t got to the root that actually had been driving the chase the whole time, but it was always an external. And that’s, I guess, my bugbear in some respects with the self-development work. And it’s like, wow, why aren’t we going just for the root of the issues going deep? Yeah. Hence why we do what we do, right? Like…
Matt (10:11): Yeah, no, as you’re talking, I remember this Ram Dass quote that I just saw the other day, and he said something along the lines of, you know, people think that enlightenment is going out and creating a world that brings you freedom and happiness. This is true. Enlightenment is actually being happy and free in the world that you’re in. Right? Yeah. And that’s what it comes down to, because it’s the discomfort that we start to feel that’s pointing the direction towards where there’s a resistance in us from allowing our authentic true self to emerge into our lives that we then disregard and say, well, if I get the Ducati, get the job, the business is successful, get the money, get the relationship, then I’ll be happy. Yeah. We don’t even deal with it. The truth of what’s going on.
Guy (11:07): No, but the problem is I can guarantee everyone listening and even myself included, me very guilty of this. You’ve been nodding your head going, yeah, of course. And then, but that’s the…
Matt (11:16): But we all want it. It’s all part of the pursuit. It’s all part of life. Why not have the riches as well and experience, but it’s putting the putting the richness within and then it will echo externally.
Guy (11:32): Exactly. But we keep buying into so we can nod our heads and intellectualize this and agree with it. But how often can you ask yourself, do you truly go deep with yourself and actually start digging around and constantly exploring and removing the layers? And do those layers really ever end? Because I’ve gone through a shitload all the time. I think, oh, finally, and then there’s more and then there’s more. But also, I think through that, your perception of reality starts to broaden as well and shift as you become more attuned to the subtleties of what’s available, which is way more exciting.
Matt (12:28): But I think we look at that as a problem, is that there’s something that needs to be revealed and released and healed and we often make that as a problem. Yeah, because I’m broken. Yeah, I’m broken. It’s not working. My life isn’t functioning the way I… Relationships aren’t the way that I want. I’ve got to fix something. Because we’re actually then vilifying the essence of evolution, of which we are. When we actually embrace that and welcome in that flow of life, it’s wanting to shift us, transform us, then we start to find this rhythm with that life. I think this is what really excites me, because for a long time, I was really strong-willed, right? And I would always drive myself towards goals. I’d set goals. I’d be very disciplined. I’d do things. And I think if I do these goals, if I take off this… Vision board? Vision board, yeah, I have a few of those. And you have a vision, you look, and then you try and get somewhere. But it wasn’t until I realized that that is all a manufacturing of my mind in this moment, from the place of disconnect to a larger expression that’s wanting to emerge. So I started to relinquish that grasp and starting then… I think it was Robert Gilbert that was talking about this on your podcast, about the Eastern and the Western philosophies of the meditation. What did I hear? It keeps going. One of the Western philosophy of meditation is actually the manifesting and imposing themselves onto the field and then creating and then the Eastern philosophy, yeah, through an emotion and the visioning and all that sort of thing, where the Western is then allowing their vision to drop in. Yes. Allowing it to inspire us. Yes, being in the silence. You need both. You definitely need both, but it’s the… It’s like a yin and yang. It’s a male and a female kind of component of creation. It’s the allowing of that creative impulse to then inspire you and then you need the drive of that then into form. And that’s the dance. Absolutely. And I think a lot of times there’s a void of being in the space because in the space and in the silence is then where everything can start to emerge and the greater possibilities of what exists out there can start to then inspire your life. And when we sit in that space of, you know, guide me, show me, show me the way. You only just said that the other day. You’ve been practicing every day.
Guy (15:11): Every day and it starts to show up. But I think that this is where it comes into leaning into manifestation as well. Because one of the key things I feel from manifesting whatever it is, is that it anyway, it might be a belief, but I really feel it needs to be in alignment of the core essence of you and your values and what lights you up and what gets you enthusiastic. So when you’re already on that dance, that life, everything becomes effortless. So you’re not trying to manifest something into creation because you think it’s going to make you happy and fulfill a void. That’s not going to heal you. How the fuck is that going to heal you? Right. How is that going to be true growth and healing from that? It’s a bandaid. Like we all know that. Exactly. We’ve all run down that. It’s the pill. It’s the manifestation pill. And we buy into that seduction and the shots. But if it’s like, actually, I’m actually in a place where I’ve been working inwardly on myself over the years and revealing the layers and healing the components I want to reveal themselves, whether you believe it’s from this lifetime or many or an inherited ancestral lineage. Oh, here you go. That one. Yeah. I know. Add that in there. Yeah, throw it in. Whatever. Right? Right? It doesn’t matter whose it is or what it is and everything. It’s a layer, right? And you can start to detach. But then as you’re in that, your core essence, like you said, wants to come through more and more. And there’s that. And I always remember my beautiful friend Chris, Chris Tate, saying, you guys just follow your enthusiasm. If you follow that, it’s never going to let you down. And that’s what I started to do. That gave me the courage to sell out of my company because my enthusiasm wasn’t there in it. As I leant into that enthusiasm, I actually fed into my own inspiration and the things that wanted to come into form, into manifestation over time, were happening because I was already in a place where I was actually in much more peace with myself and more joy and living from more courage and aspiring to something greater but being very content with actually everything I have in my life. Because that’s when gratitude comes back into it because you cannot forget the blessings that we actually have. And to me, that is so much richer place to be living from because then the charge becomes different. You become the magnet as opposed to seeking everything external and then the universe will meet you halfway constant.
Matt (17:56): Yeah, yeah, like Joseph Campbell, follow your bliss. Exactly. Bliss breeds more bliss. Enthusiasm breeds more enthusiasm. Yes. It’s just the nature of it. Yeah. As you’re talking about that, as we’re talking about it, I was catching myself breathing my attention went to my breath. It’s like that’s a really cool metaphor for what we’re talking about. It’s just a breath and that drive to manifest and to create would be like an exhale. And you can only exhale for a certain amount of time before you’re going to exhaust yourself or kill yourself before you have to inhale. And that’s then catching the vision that’s allowing it to come in so that you can express it out in an exhale. I like that. That’s cool, huh? Yeah. I was just thinking that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just came in and then I expressed it out.
Guy (18:51): It’s very like dooby dooby dooby doo, you know, like Goswami talks about. Yes, there’s this drive forward, but also there is this need to just to settle and be and finding that dance and finding that balance that nurtures. And I always think of the metaphor with the jellyfish. That’s how it propels itself through the water. It has to contract first and then that expansion out. And we can think of those in micro or macro elements in our life where we’ve had times where it’s been really painful and that contractions have to come in. We’ve needed to go through that crystallization like the caterpillar into the butterfly metamorphosis to then expand back out of my two insects in one sentence. Like all these like metaphor type of metaphor.
19:47 Matt This is what happens when you get a good night’s sleep. Where’s this fella going? I know. Holy moly. Come on. Yeah, yeah, it’s good stuff. But I think we all know this. A lot of your listeners are like on this on this pulse. Totally. But it’s good to be reminded. No, and I would what I would love to see and the reason that I’m really passionate about this work is that I would love to see a world that nurtures that in. We have such an important set around the clothes that you wear, the car that you drive, the relationships that you’re in, the job that you’re doing, the diplomas on your wall. All these things have such a high value to us in our society. But it’s like why is it not such a high value put on? What’s your meditation practice like? How much time have you spent today pausing and feeling, letting your emotions expressed? Getting into your body, stretching your body, all these different things that then nurture that relationship to that soul self. Because ultimately, the amount of stuff that you’re going to do in your entire life is going to be a fraction of importance to the being that you hold. Right?
Guy (21:03): And if you listen to this, and I haven’t listened to the podcast that they were Robert Gilbert the other week, drop into that. But he was speaking about this very thing. And he spoke about at the end of the day, when you get to the point of the gate of death, that’s what he called it. When it’s your moment that you’re going to take your last breath. That’s going to be all of us, whether you like it or not, at some stage. It’s not the certificates on the wall. It’s not the finances. It’s not the house. All the things we worry about. All the things that I can say, none of it. None of it. But it’s the essence and the being that, because he’s talking metaphorically as well, but they’ve crystallized into your soul energy. It’s those lessons. One of my greatest drivers has been contemplating that. And knowing that when I look back, I just want to know I did my best. But my best from a place of heart and soul as well. We need the analytical mind. We need the ego. Otherwise, we can’t function in this world. But at the same time, if we start meditation, brings those questions forward. Space brings us forward, not being completely wired and stressed out and constantly in the rat race loop day to day starts to allow us to ponder and bring those things forward. Especially through maturity. I mean, I used to ponder on it in my 20s or 30s, but I guess as you start to reach your 40s and go into your 50s, your values do start to shift and your priorities. But if we had, like you said, if that is nurtured from day dot into our schooling systems, into our family cultures again and reconnecting back and having that around, boy, it would change everything.
Matt (23:18): I feel that’s what we’re being called to do.
Guy (23:21): Oh, a thousand percent. There’s no accident our retreats sell out. Yeah. That’s the thing, right? I really hope this comes across for wherever you are in the world, wherever you are listening to this, wherever you are in your journey in your life, I think everything serves us. If you follow that enthusiasm, if you follow the spark that lights you up, because we are so conditioned to make money and to have security and have this way to become free, we’ve got it backwards. If we start to nurture and light the fire and ignite, the way will start to reveal itself and we can live in a much more harmonious place. And I hope, my hope is that when I teach or share on, I want to be an example by my actions, not just my words or being up on a whiteboard or see this, but in alignment because it’s part of our DNA and what we do. And I believe Living Flow is a clear example of us aligning and following our heart and soul and it’s coming into creation. And we only just started. And I truly feel that’s possible for anyone out there if they have the courage to lean in and go in that direction because the masses aren’t doing it. It is shifting though. Things are starting to, I think values are really starting to change within people slowly but surely.
Matt (25:06): Yeah, the call is getting louder as well.
Guy (25:08): Exactly. Exactly. You can’t not hear it. No, well, you can. You can choose not, you know, you can choose.
Matt (25:13): It takes a lot of energy not to hear it these days.
Guy (25:16): Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s like, just go turn up that TV a bit louder.
Matt (25:20): A lot of energy, a lot of volume. Yeah, a lot of distraction and a lot of pain to resist that flow that’s wanting to move.
Guy (25:28): And I actually truly feel in this lifetime now that everyone is consciously or unconsciously going to have to make a decision which way they want to go. Do you want to lean into the world that you want to see and be part of and create and be that example of that? Or do you want to resist all that and continue to hold on to an old paradigm? Which is getting intense. The ship’s sinking. The ship is going to sink or swim. Yeah. I don’t think everyone’s going to like this. There’ll be a divide. I think that’s what will happen. And more and more people, more and more people start actually listening to what they know within their heart and soul. Leaning into that, then we will be contributing to that future. You see the wheels turning.
Matt (26:36): I don’t know. I’m kind of sitting with that one. Yeah. I don’t like the idea of a divide.
Guy (26:41): No, but I’m not saying intentionally, but I feel there’s going to be a point where you’re going to have to make a decision. Yeah. Okay. I’m not saying divide and conquer. Flirt the flag. Maybe divide is the wrong way, but over time. But who knows? If enough people start embracing this work, then there’ll be enough shift in momentum, like an avalanche where people will start moving more and more in. You know? Yeah. Bit by bit. Yes. I’m an optimist, mate. I’m definitely an optimist. No, I hear you. I’m an optimist. I’m an optimist. I’m an optimist. Definitely an optimist.
Matt (27:28): No, I hear you, mate. I’m with you. I’m just trying to process what you’re saying. Yeah, that’s all right. Some deep, deep thoughts there. Yeah. What you’re talking about. What I was thinking is, being in this work and how it’s evolved out of what the soul calling. Mm-hmm. And I couldn’t have thought my way to it. Because the work that I do and the way that I facilitate with the sound and the breath, that’s a process that didn’t exist in the way that I do it. And only you can do it the way you do it. Yeah, but I didn’t even know how to do it or that it was a possibility. Correct. Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I can remember in meditation, I was just really down in my life and feeling unfulfilled and like, is this all there is? We all go through and it’s like, but I had enough support around me to introduce me to practices of just sitting, just being present, being in meditative state, allowing, just listening. And I can remember in those moments, this is like 25, 30 years ago in my meditation. And I eyes closed and I would see this vision of like a microphone. It’s like this dark room. And then there was just a microphone. I could see the grid of the microphone just in front of me. You never told me that. No, I don’t think I’ve ever told anyone. And I would just see that microphone and I was in LA. I was in my 20s, you know, what does that mean? I’ll be famous. I’m going to be a boxer. I’m the next Jim Morrison. Yeah, Jim Carrey. So yeah, in my naivety, I see a microphone and I’m like on a stage, just lights on me. And I’m like, what does this mean? And my mind’s grappling with this and trying to understand it. And I never could from that mindset that I was in, but my soul was trying to communicate a message of voice, of expression, of sound. And I had no concepts of any of things that I did not do now. But it was years later when I did see myself on a stage, a particular stage that I won’t mention. And, you know, hundreds of people. And I was in front of that, the crystal balls in front of me, the mic right there. And I usually when I do the sound, my eyes are closed. And at a moment, I kind of, I didn’t want to hit my head on the mic, you know, because he kind of lose my eyes. And there was that microphone. It was the same. And the way the lights were hitting me and the way that room was dark was the same image that I saw 30 some years ago in that meditation. And I was like, ah, that’s where I was going. Do you know what I mean?
Guy (30:25): A thousand percent. Can I ask you a question? Somebody’s come up to me once and said, why did you ask questions you already know the answer to? And I was like, well, I’m on a podcast and there’s other people that wouldn’t know. And I’m actually just… You’re making me nervous now, right? No, no. You better be careful with your answer, man. I’ll be grading you. Oh, no. Questions. No, no. But thinking about why isn’t it that with those visions and, you know, you’re in your 20s, the soul just doesn’t lay it out for you. Make it clearer.
Matt (31:02): You do know the answer to this. I’m going to get your answer out.
Guy (31:07): No, no, that’s a great question. Yeah, yeah. Go, go.
Matt (31:11): Well, that’s the whole reason that we’re here is to learn for ourselves. Yeah. Is to guide ourselves. I mean, we even just had that happen and we have to have it happen all the time in the coaching. We always say, like, we’re doorman. We’re holding the door for people to find their way. Right? And it’s like, oftentimes it’s like it can be perceived as we’re not holding the hands of the people going through their overwhelming or challenging moments. Because in that holding, we’re not giving them the opportunity to find their own feet and to grow. And from a soul’s, I believe, from a soul’s vantage point, it’s already there. Every possible permutation of experience that we can have is there and it’s not good or bad, right or wrong. It’s just what do you choose? Where do you want to go? Let’s see how you experience and start to move through your life and your understanding of what this is all about. I think it’s through, you know, we wouldn’t have learned to ride bikes if we didn’t fall a few times. The falling and to find the balance so we can ride. Yeah. So that’s my answer.
Guy (32:32): Oh, exactly the same. No, it is that. And it’s without the, like people get frustrated, people get angry. There’s all these emotions that start coming through and you’re like, why has this happened to me? And it’s like, well, for me, lessons come with a shift in perspective and then we can start taking different actions from the choices that we make from the perspective that we see in every moment. So without that pressure, without that ability to embody an experience to actually maneuver through something with your own innate consciousness, if that doesn’t happen, how is the, how is your awareness going to expand beyond what it knows? I just don’t know how it can, because if you give somebody to something on a plate, the value is never going to be there ever. And all that way. And, you know, one thing even culturally now we don’t get taught to think for ourselves. There’s a big component, right? Oh, it’s massive. So it’s like nurturing and setting up all those in a quality in us. So when it comes back to these glimpses, these insights, these wisdoms that start to reveal themselves and start to show through, because ultimately they’re coming from the eternal now, that’s ever present, the omnipresent, that’s beyond this linear 3D. Let’s start our day at 9 a.m. and chug along to midday and then come to 3 a.m. And then, you know, we’ve just got, we’ve just bought into this complete linear concept that there is only ever now though. These moments, these breaths. So when those come through, I get excited. I treat it all like an adventure and lean into what’s possible, what’s coming in and percolate with it and never try and chase it.
Matt (34:31): That’s it. That’s exactly why I was sharing that story. Thanks for wrapping it up. It’s just that it’s an adventure and you’re just going to get these glimpses. And it’s like there’s something. It’s a treasure hunt. It’s a treasure hunt. There’s something far greater than what you can conceptually understand or comprehend from your vantage point now that is summoning you, that is calling you. And it’s like each one of us, every single one of us has a unique version of that calling that’s wanting to reveal. And it’s like not going to look the same. Don’t you say like, you know, this is possible for everyone, you know, this kind of what we’re doing, having a successful business, that’s going to be completely different for each individual. And it’s like, yeah.
Guy (35:17): I hear this concept. Somebody was speaking once as pretty neat, but it’s like, imagine you’re a spiritual being having a human existence. Okay. And when you’re the spiritual being, you’re the divine, you’re there, right? But you can’t actually have a physical experience. I can’t touch Matt right now. I’m like, hey, by the way, laugh is jokes and whatever it is. But then, so it’s like, you almost could be imagine if you’re, you got a mansion, you got every toy under the sun, you got everything you can ever have. You click your fingers, it comes to support and you’re going to roll, right? And all of a sudden, I guarantee you’d get pretty bored. And you’d be like, I want to step, I want to step over there. What’s wrong behind that tree over there? You know, there’d be a point where that’s seeking and there’s no growth ever going to come from that. So it’s like, well, why not set up parameters where you can come and have a human experience? And you get to go on your own little mini adventure. And the way we set up the parameters this time is you’re going to see if you’re going to get the lessons, if you’re going to allow the growth to then happen because you don’t know. And that’s the only way you’re going to learn. And then we step in and have those experiences, you know?
Matt (36:44): Absolutely. Wow. Ah, warming up for the retreat.
Guy (36:50): Well, we better wrap it up. So because we’re going to have over 30 beautiful souls coming through. Yeah, I’m getting in that pool. You’re going to get in the magnesium pool. Right. I need it. Yeah. Boom. Yeah. I actually jumped in the magnesium pool last night. We actually held out a group coaching class. I was in too. No, but I had to drag you up to them. Let’s get in the pool. Come on. It’s nine o’clock at night.
Matt (37:18): I got up there and you were huffing and puffing, shaking. So cold.
Guy (37:26): So anyway, with the magnesium pool and that was an amazing reset. Yeah. Yeah. So I’m excited. Wrap up the podcast. Anything we want to add to this? I don’t even know when it’s going to go live, but this is, we are now early May, 2023, probably, maybe June. We’ll be in Portugal. Mm hmm. If you’re here then July 10th to the 15th, five nights, me, Matt and Petra. Come join us. Come join us. We’ve got people coming from all over the world. Still a few spots left there. And then we’re going to be back in here August. For three nights. For three nights, for four days. That’s two thirds full at least. This one sold out like two months ago. This is the quickest one I ever sold out actually. And we’ll be up and down the coast, right? We got.
Matt (38:15): Yep. Lots of events. Lots. It’s all happening.
Guy (38:20): Yeah. If you live in like Tasmania, Perth, Adelaide, apologies, we haven’t been there yet. But we’ve been figuring out a way to systemize Matt’s sound gear so we can fly there. Yeah. And we don’t know the areas very well. So if you happen to hear this and you live in one of those areas and you go, this location would be great for a workshop and so forth, then we’ll come. The momentum continues to build and we’re loving it. So yeah. All those things. Anything else?
Matt (38:53): No, you summed it up. I feel like I feel complete.
Guy (38:58): That’s good. All right, legends. Much love. Thank you and catch you soon.