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Greg (00:11):
Beautiful. We’re recording Greg. Welcome to the podcast.

Greg (00:13):
Thank you. Thanks for having me Guy.

Guy (00:16):
I’m, uh, I’m very excited to see where this conversation goes today. I, I believe, um, this will be the first kind of conversation I’ve had in over 200 episodes in some of the, the things that you teach and, and going down. So I’m, I’m really excited to see where this conversation goes and the way I always kick off the podcast, Greg, and it’d be no different today is that if you were at an intimate dinner party right now, and somebody ask you what you did for a living, what would you say?

Greg (00:43):
Yeah, I I’d say, look, I would say Tal traveler. Um, and that’s gonna be interesting. And also the, the energy healing is fascinating. It’s taking me to that. So I’d say Tal traveler and energy healer.

Guy (00:58):
Wow. What reaction do you get? Like, cause if you throw off the cuff, I, I do some traveling and I teach people. Yeah. I mean, I,

Greg (01:08):
I did, I did have one comment. It was quite quite funny. Actually. I was kind of in the zone after having done a workshop, you know, and, and I was strolling down the street a couple years ago and met a neighbor down the street who had never met before and know having a bit of a party to come on in and, you know, and, um, I was kind of in that. So the, and he asked me what I did and I said, exactly that. And he said, so you’re into that sort of. Are you? And I said, clearly, and it’s just got, what, what was interesting was that, um, you know, since, since, since kind of writing my book, it’s been a few years now, um, I’ve kind of, uh, you know, in the, when I first wrote this book about my experiences, it was like a coming out and I thought, you know, my, my main fear was are people gonna think I’m absolutely crackers?

Greg (01:52):
You know, because I’m a pretty grounded per I’m a normal person, what what’s normally now anyway. Um, and it was, it was so unfounded, these fears, cuz what I found is that, um, just through, through this kind, kind of authentic new dialogue that I’d found, um, and this kind of bizarre, uh, tangent that I started to go on, I just met the loveliest people and, and I found that, um, the charge, like if someone did ask me, you know, like what I did and, and, and they had a reaction, I just didn’t get any charge. You know, I, I just sort of was like, oh, that’s okay. That’s okay. If someone thinks that’s a bit left field, that’s their right. It didn’t, it didn’t bother me, you know?

Guy (02:37):
Yeah. Fantastic. It’s strange when that ha happens, like coming out of the closet per se. I mean, it was the same for me when even putting this podcast in the spirituality section of iTunes, you know, and initially I was like, geez, what people are gonna think? And I know the rest of it doesn’t care. You may, and we’ll get into your backstory in a minute cuz I’m, I’m fascinated. But you, um, you talked about running workshops as well for, as for travel. Do, do people like walk in hoping they don’t get seen cuz they’re walking into this kind of work or, or people just walking and bring it on. Let’s go. You know?

Greg (03:10):
So what was the last bit of that question only? Cause it did cut out.

Guy (03:15):
Uh, sorry. Yeah. So as people walk into your workshop, where are they at when it comes to exploring, I tell

Greg (03:21):
You the itching they’re, they’re everywhere. There’s from those who say they have no idea to, um, you know, the people have had experiences. So it’s kind of even the very beginning on that same theme of, um, you know, that outing one self, uh, in the very beginning when people came into workshops, because I just, I started doing the money because a few people that read my book, found out what I was doing and said, can you teach it? And I remember thinking, I don’t know, you know, we’ll give it a crack. I remember the first, um, few workshops people to come in and, and I kind of look at them really suspiciously thinking, you know? And I didn’t even ask the question, like, why would you go, why, why are you here? Like I look at them and go, who are you, why would you go to an Al travel workshop?

Greg (04:01):
You know what, and I found that, um, really it’s fascinating the, the amount of interest that’s out there. I mean, I’d never heard of the subject before. I’m, I’m, I’m continually fascinated with those people who have tried to do it, um, who have like read books and, and like, where did that come from? I think that, that interest, so really it’s all walks, uh, of, of life, the, the kind of people. And um, a lot of it’s just getting into, you know, meditation kind of, um, techniques or, or, or kind of patterns that, that enable it to happen because in the, is a bit of a mystery, but it’s just to get close to that mystery. And even if not everyone, not everyone follows through with certain things as you know, and, and not everyone will have that experience, but I find it always helps them just to, to, to, to kind of get into that lucid mindset, which is what it’s all about. Getting into that lucid mind, that notion of, um, you know, obviously mind awake, which is the fascinating pivotal thing of a vessel travel, you know,

Guy (05:13):
How would you then describe what astrol travel is because it can conjure up so many connotations really,

Greg (05:22):
You know, it’s, it’s, um, getting out of the body consciously. Now there are different. What I’ve found is there’s a few subsets, um, there’s what they call the OBE. What I find, well, I call it realtime. ASL is like, if I get outta body like a ghost in this reality, uh, which is, which is amazing when you pop outta your body and you realize you’re outta your body. And so you’re literally walking through a, um, what they call probably the fourth dimension or a dimension is very close to this, but you’re able to, um, relate to certain beings in that. And plus you can also see that the human 3d experience, um, most of Asal travel I would say is going into other realms, but, but the main dis the main distinction between the Asal experience and the, and the experience of 3d or even lucid dream is that you go into realities or, or realms or situations that, uh, scenes that are far more real than what we’re in now. And that that’s kind of the sticking point. You’re in, like you, there’s more depth of color. Um, you, you hear every, you can see behind you, you can, it’s, it’s like an Uber reality. Um, and it’s also often a carbon with a very, with a very EC ecstatic sense of being. So there is, um, correlation to the ecstatic experience, which is in the Astro experience as well. And you kind of know you’re having it. It’s kind of like a lot of people ask, did I have it did not have it you’ll know. You’ll know.

Guy (06:51):
And, and is there a differentiation in terms of when you’re having that experience in that reality, then to then coming back into our reality here, as in, does it feel dreamlike or does it fade away or is it like, like you say, you know, it’s like, wow, this is, I’ve had this experience and

Greg (07:10):
Yeah, that, that’s a good question. I think that’s the people to think. I think we’re, we’re having so many as experiences. The thing about an as experience is, is a, it’s really a remembered experience. So generally you’ll have this kind of profound happening and you’ll wake up straight after it. That’s what I found. That’s what I found happen. So when I’ve been outta body in this reality, what I call real time astral, and I watch what people are doing, a lot of people are wandering around like zombies, or they, you see their Astro bodies come out of their physical is it’s quite bizarre to watch kind of like a translucent, um, version of their own body. Wow. And when I, in the beginning, you know, I didn’t, I, I would try to wake people up. I’d try to pull ’em out. I didn’t know what was going on.

Greg (07:52):
I wasn’t too cluey on the ethics of the situation at all. And, um, I just wanted to see what kind of reaction I get from sleepy people. So it seems that everybody does go astrol when we sleep. Um, you, you need to go Asal, that’s the way you kind of get all of these Rejuven energies coming into you. Uh, the Astro body is kind of like that capsule to get that energy. And then, and then it relates it into the, into the physical body. So like the Chuck was, I remember when I first got out, uh, early on, I met these people who called themselves guides. And, um, a little bit like what you said about the notion of the spiritual podcast at the time, cuz I wasn’t, you know, a new age and then I was thinking, what’s going on here? Why are they calling themselves guides?

Greg (08:35):
This sounds very, but they were showing me, I remember this woman would show me the energy centers and, and a, and I hadn’t been interested in those, um, consciously. And uh, and so I found these energy centers actually collated with the Astro body. So it’s kinda like we process energy through these energy centers and these energy centers then process into our like endocrine system or into our, into our physical body. So it’s kind of like, um, you, you, we need to go ASL to be human. Uh, and, and I pushed the I’ve pushed the envelope a couple times. Well, like I deliberately would not allow myself to go Astro for two nights. I remember early on. So what I meant was I really relaxed my body cause a lot of what I teach and what I do is this, this notion of really relaxing the body and you know, how far can you go?

Greg (09:24):
Like when you relax your body, but stay conscious, how far can you go? And what I, um, what I found was I, I, I spent a couple nights with my mind awake all night. So I only had my presence up here and my body was absolutely asleep. So two nights of that, and I felt great physically during the day, but I just, I really, I felt suicidal. I, I, it was like, I hadn’t touched base with a stream of energy that we require as humans to be content, to be happy to be fulfilled. I just, I felt at absolutely destitute, um, not allowing myself to go Asal so we are all going Astro, but really getting back to question that the common place, a definition of astrol is if you remember the experience. And so when you remember the experience, of course, then you can manifest certain scenarios or find a certain information. That’s really what the Asal experience is.

Guy (10:20):
Wow. Wow. And how did you end up then getting into this? Cause I, I dunno whether this, because I live near Byron bay and Mullen Bibi where these conversations tend to come up more often than I was when I was in Sydney. But, um, it it’s, it like, like we were, feels to become in a more common occurrence or a conversation. It doesn’t feel so taboo these days, but when, cause I believe this was like 20, even 23, 24 years ago. You mentioned when you first started having these experiences. Yeah.

Greg (10:53):
Is that correct? 1999. It started. I remember in, in March. Yeah. Well look, look, it is interesting. I mean,

Guy (11:02):
And what

Greg (11:03):
Were you doing? I was a classical musician living in Vienna. And um, look, if I look back, a lot of people have asked me what, you know, but what was your, what were you doing? What was your mindset? Why did that happen? If I look back at the time, um, I was always into meditation for physical, mental relaxation. That that’s something I’ve had since for twenties. I remember, um, my mom, I was a very tense music student at the VCA in Melbourne, um, studying violin and composition and conducting and this kind of stuff and, and, and ambitious and, um, but just, I, I, I loved music and, um, you know, anything institutionalized becomes a little bit tricky and I wasn’t good. I’m not good in instant institutions. Um, so I kind of wanted to walk away from that early on. And, uh, when I was studying it at tertiary level and my mom gave me this book, she was great.

Greg (11:51):
And, um, gave me this book by, um, Ainsley MES. Who’s a Australian, I think, psychiatrist or MD as well. Anyway, it was about meditation. It was, I think the book was called relief without drugs. I remember it was a very basic kind of book with like pictures of drugs on the front cover and just in capsules, it was just kind of really, and I remember just, and he just, he he’d been to the, to, you know, the east and he just, he basically, um, went through the notion that, well, in, in the west, you know, we might not wanna be sitting squat. You know, we might just wanna sit on a chair and meditate for me. It was, it was, it was really profound, probably that in the Astro experiences, probably the Asal thing when it first to are probably most profound, but the meditation, um, when I’d rela I’d feel into my body and I, I recognized I was always holding myself and, um, and so I just became obsessed with relaxing my body and mine.

Greg (12:47):
I remember getting really sick, uh, at the time this was in my early twenties. And, um, I realized that I really had to cuz I was a very tense. I remember someone said, geez, Greg you’re tense. And I said, yeah, I know. I like it. I like it. I like to be tense, but, but that, that, that had got me going. And then if I fast forward, um, that had been on doing meditation on and off then in Vienna. I remember my mindset at the time when the ASL experiences started was a little bit, I was looking at myself now. I was probably quite a naive kind of guy. You know, I was in my thirties that stage, but I, I, I’d always been kind of a naive sort of person and, and I was a bit shocked, uh, kind of, I don’t know, it was a bit like he’s at all.

Greg (13:32):
There is, I, I remember thinking, looking at the world and looking at my experience with the world and thinking really, is that what it’s about? Is it really about, you know, such diplomacy and, you know, getting on any profe? You know, it was, it was, I guess probably subconsciously I recognized there was a bit of a hollow in my existence, but it wasn’t a to conscious thing. And then, um, I went to a Aran Aran cycle person in Vienna that kind of kicked it, who also did energy healing. And I remember having a shoulder injury and she said, look, um, she gave me a bit of, um, you know, she got rid of it. And I remember being really, uh, kind of, uh, irritated be cuz she had that kind of, you know, airy fairy kind of, yes, you had an energy block and for some reason, and I said, what do you mean energy block?

Greg (14:24):
You know, that was pretty, you know, I was kind of thinking from the other side of my brain, I think you said, yes, we’re all humans. We have energy blocks. And so that really intrigued me and I went back and back and that was fascinating because, uh, it kind of re re reinvigorated my, um, love of meditation and just feeling it in my body and just sort of thinking this tension, I’m carrying, it’s not me. I just had this incredible feeling that, that this is not who I am. This is not what I am, you know? And, um, and then, then the diastal thing kicked in, in the most kind of, you know, dramatic styles, very theatrical, um, this light follow me around even after it first kicked in de Meho. And, um, it was kind of, yeah, I couldn’t, as you said, people, I couldn’t turn around, I couldn’t turn back.

Greg (15:12):
And it was, um, I remember having a decision. I came back to Australia a few years later and I, I started thinking, well, I’m really interested in consciousness. And then I thought, well, then I had a chance to go back to Europe for conducting or music. I just thought, do I wanna spend my whole life studying the music thing or do I want to go down the rabbit hole of consciousness? So it was kind of like that last, the last opportunity to make a, you know, free will, you know, free will. Cause I was feeling like, um, I had been hijacked by the, as experience study on, I was kind of, I loved it, but I also hated it the beginning cuz I, I just couldn’t ignore it, but it was hijacking me night after night after night after night, you know?

Guy (16:02):

Wow. It, it, um, did you, then when you, like you talk about the hijacking and, and having those experience, how did you cope with those experiences then? Were there, was there people around that you could talk to? Was there support, was it, or did you just feel like you were just falling apart or were you excited

Greg (16:24):
Like bit of both, a bit of all of that bit of all of that because I did. I remember thinking, well, I remember vividly thinking, well, this is, this is sensational, but what is, what is normal reality then? Um, also I did have a couple of friends, uh, that particular energy he had gone to, she had become a friend and I used to go a lot and she’d be using my energy to channel like weird language. Like it, it was weird whacko stuff going on. And then, um, I knew a, um, a, uh, psychotherapist who I’d gone to not long started going to not long before that, after kind of a, a breakup of relationship and, you know, looking at patterns. And it was the first time I spoken to someone about, you know, what it was all about. So I did have people to talk to on that level, um, who into meditation stuff.

Greg (17:07):
And, uh, also my partner who’s who I’m now married to at the time she was very open. I’m lucky. I think some people don’t always have that, but, but, but it was still did difficult to come back into normal reality. And in fact, I did crave these altered states. I would come home from whatever I was doing in music and, um, I would just hit the floor and, and meditate to go into an Astro state. So I remember my partner at the time. She, you know, she, at the time she was cons. I remember at one stage, she said, look, you’re not really present. You’re not in this reality, are you? And I said, well, you know what, what I be, this is just so beautiful. You mean incredible music, incredible color beings, you know, izing with you on incredible things. You have no idea of and planets and aliens.

Greg (17:54):
And, and it was, um, hilarious, really, um, looking back. So it wa it was confusing. And, uh, you know, and, and I think if we fast forward, um, to just a few years ago, I had a, um, an ASTO workshop here in Brisbane been, I think Brisbane’s becoming the epicenter, Asal travel. Um, um, and these two, these Tibetan, these, there was, they were actually not Tibetan, but they, they were into Tibet, Buddhism. They were monks. They came along to the workshop, which was really cool to hear the, uh, Buddhist perspective. And, and I remember one of them said to me, Greg, you, life must be held. And I thought, well, that’s a statement. And I said, what do you mean? He said, well, if you’re going out like that and they’re coming back this rather, you must be terrible. And I said, well, I thought about that.

Greg (18:38):
I remember. And it did feel that way in the beginning. I, I, I really had issues come to terms. I remember after the Asal experiences started, I became, I just, I’d just started to say it was on my, like, I’d be in a situation where I should be far more diplomatic and I’d just start. I just, some voice would come over me. And I would railroad situations, you know, my career would take a beating because I was just not, you know, saying the right thing at the right time. And, um, so, so getting back to what the, the, the Mon had said, and I thought to myself, well, to be honest, I don’t see this reality as robustly real, as many do, because the, the as sort experience you really do. Like one of my other experiences, I was shown my own death in this body.

Greg (19:23):
I had to, I experienced it. I didn’t ask for it. I was, you know, it was like my, my, I, I remember, yeah, it was really interesting. I, I go, I out of body and sometimes I hear my own voice speak to me, like, so I called him my higher self, but not in that, it it’s my own voice from a, from a perspective of higher consciousness. So he seems to know more about me, about things than I do, cause he is able to get me outta body. And so this particular occasion is my own voice saying, I want to, I want to, um, experience death and, um, my own death. I remember the situation with the room. I remember how it was and I was drowning in blood and all this kind of stuff. And I remember thinking, okay, this is form. I knew I was astral.

Greg (20:07):
Um, you can always retreat. You can go back to the physical, but I felt this was something I had to experience years later. Of course, I, I, I did a, like a shaman course and realized this is very much part of the shaman tradition, the notion of experiencing death in the physical, but it was interesting. And, and so there were themes being thrown at me in the astrol that I wouldn’t have necessarily taken on. So there was that hijacked feeling, but it was like a quick track in many ways. And, um, getting back to what the monk said, I, I sort of, I guess, because these realities are so more, much more real, more defined, more touch, more unified sense of being rather than separate senses. Uh, there’s no verbal talk going on. Everything’s telepathic. So if I were to talk to you in the astrol, uh, when you had asked me a question, I would answer, according to the question you asked, so you would kind of pull out of me that that relates to your question.

Greg (21:07):
So there’s no effort on my behalf and I would do the same. It’s it’s like a free flow thing. It’s, it’s really interesting. Um, so, you know, I, I, I guess now looking back, my reality has changed so much. I I’ve, I’ve moved from doing things I didn’t want to do to doing everything that I do want to do, and therefore I enjoyed this reality much more than I did. Um, so in many ways it’s match, it’s a matching that ASL kind of sense that feeling of ecstatic, you know, manifestation, whatever you want to call it. So, but, but, but once again, this reality not to denigrate it, I don’t see it as real, as is high free. Cause I know that we, we are all existing in these higher realities and, and, um, I feel from my perspective is that we’re, we’re all trying to wake ourselves up, you know, like, um, like often I’ll have lucid dreams.

Greg (22:01):
And, um, I know in ill listed dream now that there’s often a drama, I know now and a loosed dream, I don’t try to control the drama. I actually did the drama go because the drama’s not real. It’s not real when I do that, if there’s any kind of antagonist or if I’m, or if I’m gonna crash into a, like once I was driving a car, I became lucid and I was going too fast around the corner and I was about to crash. And I remember I said to my wife in the car, sorry, and, and I just let the car crash, but I stayed lucid and I felt this incredible wave of bliss. And so I, I, I, this actually first started in the astrol, um, this, this, this letting go. I remember I’d, I I’d counted a few kind of what we would call antagonistic energies in the Astro.

Greg (22:46):
And I kind of, you know, you dunno how to get pass and you just do, as you can. And, uh, you just do weird things and you, you might swear at them or you might so put a finger in a cross, or it’s quite bizarre what you do, you know, but anyway, I’d, I’d, um, I just, I just actually published that book and I was concerned about this coming out concept. I was about to fly over this beautiful Moton lake of silver in the, as just beautiful, beautiful, uh, realms. And when I say beautiful, my like, you know, you feel really good. Um, your mind is very singular in the Asal. It’s not as, um, distracted or occupied or encumbered anyway. Um, and these two guys were behind me and I thought, this is interesting. I feel there’s a kind of a negative thing going on here.

Greg (23:31):
And very real, I thought I could fly away, but I won’t. And I confronted them and, and they sort of came at me and they said, oh, you’re having a Samara moment. Huh. And I remember thinking, I I’ll Google that. I D I dunno what Samara means, but as they came toward me, as they came toward me and they kind of started to beat me, and I remember thinking, just let this happen. And they kind of started destroy me. And I remember I felt myself, uh, dissolve, but I felt this incredible bliss. And I thought now that’s interesting. So the next time I had Lu a dream and as an antagonist, I would allow the antagonist to do what, what that antagonist does, but I wasn’t, I’m not charged in the dream. And I also felt those waves of BLIS. So I feel my higher self, um, is doing the same thing with the astrol just like I, with my dream, uh, selves are kind of wanting them to wake up to the reality of, of the, the non-drama if you like.

Greg (24:25):
Um, so to my higher self or higher aspects myself is, is kind of knocking at my, is knocking at my, um, sort of crown in this reality, teaching me to be less and less reactive. So I, I, I suppose the ASL experience, if I, if I look at it in a nutshell has kind of taught me to be less reactive and, and less, you know, it’s, it’s less, um, turbulent, it’s a less turbulent life. Um, not necessarily, it’s still a passionate life, you know, but it’s, it’s less real, I guess it’s less real in terms of, you know, under attack.

Guy (25:07):
Yeah. Wow. You’ve triggered so many, um, possibilities of where to go with those questions. There, there’s a few things in there, but then if you, like, you know, you talked about witnessing your own death, you talk about surrendering into the experience without the emotional charge. Do you find then by having the, because, you know, I’ve had a couple, uh, I’ve had, well, quite a few of my own, uh, experiences beyond my body. And one of the, the, the things I struggled with initially when meditating was the complete surrender into it, and just trusting that, because I’m not accustomed to know anything else, apart from my reality through the, my five senses of how I’ve been perceiving it for, you know, a large portion of my life. So, but then, so what I guess what I’m curious to know is then is that surrender and those fears around death and things removed in this life now to allow you to live just more peacefully and joyfully because of those experiences.

Greg (26:07):
Absolutely. That, and that’d be the, the, the prime kind of realization is that is you just lose that and, and you know, why does one lose it? You just do. I think, um, it’s hard to put it in an intellectual context, but like early on, I remember, you know, I, I was raised a Catholic and I hadn’t really practiced, had an gone to church since I was a kid, but, but I never thought of past lives and stuff. You know, that wasn’t part of my vocab. And, um, I remember early on, this was also an AST experience triggered by my highest self. So I kind of, I would go often go into this void. Like, I’d, I’d literally go into this dark space and it’s not negative. It’s just a space of nothing. It’s where I’m, I’m awake, but I know I’m outta my body generally happens before Dawn, uh, generally not always.

Greg (26:54):
And, um, and I heard my own voice say, I wanna see me. And I remember I just saw me as clear as day. It was like, you know, absolute ultra high definition. There I am, as I was at that particular time of my life. And then it was like a slide show. Um, the Astra wind often there’s like a wind in the astrol and, and I got younger, became a baby disappeared. Then I remember there was this old, uh, Chinese Mongolian guy looking right at me. And same thing, eye show got younger disappeared and, and the eyes always stayed in the same place. And I remember there was this, um, African medicine man with all this regalia. I remember it was quite, it was very full on. I remember thinking, whoa, I, I might have bought here because I got this guy very intense guy right in my face.

Greg (27:39):
And I didn’t know what the stage, what was going on once he was, he was not so old about in his thirties. Then he got younger baby gone. Then the next was, I never forget it was this Longhead alien. And the background was also not of the earth. And this has been a constant theme of my, as experience has been this, um, non earthly thing. And funny thing is I’m not really into that stuff. I don’t watch alien movies, but anyway, cuz a lot of has a very, I find a bit of a negative, uh, vibe coming off it. So I’m just not into that. But what was interesting was I remember pulling outta that going, whoa. And um, there was a voice saying intermission and it was what, what is it coming? A lot of my, it was like intermission as in, yeah, you’re gonna have to come back though, buddy.

Greg (28:24):
A lot of the, as experiences, there is a humor with the whole thing and it is a guided experience, but I came outta that and I didn’t know what it really got on this is a classic astrol kind of way. It works. Few days later, somebody, I, I trusted, I mentioned this to them, this experience I had and they said, that sounds like a past life aggress. And I remember my whole body going like, but really full on, not just, um, kind of, um, you know, pins and needles or whatever, but really like in the Astro that astrol buzzing. And I remember in the next instant, knowing that to be reality, I know I, knowing that that was, I’m seeing alternate lives, whether we call it past live or doesn’t matter in terms of timeframes, but, and I, and for some reason that relieved me of a lot of my trauma. So to, to do with being human, to do with the notion of mortality and for some reason I can’t put, uh, an intellectual pin on it for some reason that you are more than just this body, um, takes a lot of anxiety out of the notion of not existing cuz you know, you can’t not exist or the notion of dying in the physical form for some reason alleviates that can’t say exactly why definitely does that.

Guy (29:46):
Why then do you, do you think we are here? Like if, cuz you many times you’ve mentioned about your highest self and I always kind of look at it like a, I don’t mind, I always see an iceberg, an upside down iceberg though where the small apart is actually in physical form and there’s a much larger aspect of ourselves beyond this physical aspect. Why, what do you think the human experiences then? Why are we here? Why do we struggle? Why do we have pain? Why do we have joy? You know, all these emotions and everything that

Greg (30:19):
It’s curious in it. I, I think, um, that same Buddhist marker. I remember he said well to, from their point of view to be, to be human is to suffer. And I guess we transcend the suffering. So from that’s from a kind of a, you know, a spiritual intellectual viewpoint, I think it’s true too. I think, um, we, we are almost here to learn that suffering isn’t real. Um, and the, that gets you into context of emotions and stuff. Cause I’ve often analyzed my mind when I come into physical and the beginning, oh man, I was so disturbed because I feel this incredibly lucid pinpoint singular mind. Right. And as I come into physical, I’d feel all of the, in the beginning it you’d feel it like, um, I like clapped around you, these like mortal fear, you know, fear of loss, fear of wow.

Greg (31:08):
And I just, I just come back into this clay that was heavy and I think Mor on earth as to get to your question though, as, um, like the dream scape, like in the lucid dream, I feel putting, I, cause I feel I’m pulling these aspects of myself that have somehow forgotten themselves out of the dreams, you know, out of the drama, like pulling them from murky water and, and this kind of, there’s this clear surface that’s where I’m pulling through. And I think our higher selves also are pulling us through, I think we’ve, we’ve, we’ve into the murky water perhaps for an experience and we’ve kind of, we’ve kind of forgotten that that’s, that’s not necessarily it, you know, and we’ve gotten entrenched in the drama. I think karma, I think the whole calm, um, kind of, uh, machine is, is dead in the water once you see what I, what I mean by that is this whole question gets the notion of feelings and emotions, condition uncondition.

Greg (32:09):
I think as humans like in the astrol I, if I, once again analyzing my feelings there, there is this sense of benign love. There is this sense of you are loved, you know, or you are love even, but there is this sense of uncondition. So I think I look at the human experience, you know, um, as, as little boys, little girls, you know, be good, clean up your room and I give you an ice cream. So energetically, you know, I’m showing you my love if you do that. So we, we translate the unconditional into the conditional. So very much the comic realms, I think life on earth is in 3d is very much based on, um, condition. So we’ve translated, you know, you, them, us, right. You’re either with us or against us, you know, that side, that side, what side are you on? Make it clear what side you’re on.

Greg (33:06):
So duality seems to be kind of this, this, this, we think this ruling force, but I think, um, and most people, you know, not everyone, but a lot of people are living lives, uh, doing things they don’t to do. Uh, they come home, they watch on the screen, the drama, they dream drama. So they kind of caught in this Mastro of drama. Um, and I think, oh, you know, oh yes, but you know, oh, they’re having a good life. Oh, they must have had this in their past life to get that. Or they, oh, they deserve that. Or sort of this whole notion of crime and pass punishment is very much Akar thing as well. I think what I feel in the astrol is that there is no, none, none, that’s all void. That’s all void. There is no condition. Um, we are perfect beings and um, we have issues recognizing that, that there’s so many buts and what ifs and I shoulds and, and I think we are here to realize to, to, to kind of weight ourselves out of the, out of the comic, uh, washing wheel.

Greg (34:11):
You know, we, we, we really believe we beholden to this. So in many ways, you know, it’s a bit of ATO, I think, um, if one looks at it like, cuz I do say to people in my courses now I say, well, what’s the worst case scenario with, with the, as experience, the ultimate ASTO experience. And I mean, ultimate as in the last one is death. So if we look at the worst case scenario, is that really so bad? You know? And, and you know, and we, we live on, um, and I think that the, the, the, this, this reality is, is very much, you know, the comic machinery is, is there, you know, prodding us all the time, getting a reaction out of our emotions, how can our emotions be triggered? I mean, you know, I, I can’t even listen to a news thing on radio now because it’s interesting.

Greg (35:04):
Like if you look at it, you look at the ranking of, of what is gonna be on the news. Like there’s the death first whatev that’s always been regardless of what era it’s always like somebody died or this, someone murdered. So that’s immediately to agreeing that response. So a brilliant, I think a brilliant teacher is the mainstream because the mainstream is like a, a mirror, you know, left is right, right. Is left. It’s the opposite of what we are. So the, the mainstream teaches what teaches us, what is not. So I think we are here to transcend karma and I think we’ve been caught in trauma, uh, in karma somehow I think, um, you know, also many of us have chosen to come down and, and help and help situation. But I think ultimately we’re, we’re kind of caught in murky waters and we don’t even know it.

Guy (35:53):
Yeah. Yeah. We certainly do. Do you, do you think then that, or do you ever question what, why these experiences has begin started to happen to you in the first place without the exploration?

Guy (36:07):
It’s true. Look, I do. Um, and many people ask that I think there is a certain aspect of, you know, uh, ticking time bomb in the best sense or, or, or, you know, a time capsule. I think that from past lives or, or from one’s soul, you know, the, the overarching soul journey that would’ve been planted in there. I mean, a lot of the stuff I do, I’ve kind of seen in the Astro, so the Astros very preemptive. So I tend to think that you also move out of time in the Asal. So I tend to think that, you know, it’s an exciting, I think being human is exciting. I think if we can manifest the reality we want, um, that’s what it’s all about. I think, you know, why me, you know, why anyway, I mean, I, I, I can not know what, what is, what is in someone else’s mind?

Greg (36:54):
You know, I, I don’t know how anyone else operates and looking back at my own story, I was always a bit of an outsider as a kid, you know, um, kind of primed for this experience in many ways. I remember when I was 18 months old, um, I was actually, um, you know, knocked catatonic for six months by my stepfather. And I had a very violent and upbringing as a child, um, father and stepfather, a lot of, uh, physical abuse. So I, I would often to survive. I probably cut out a bit and I, and then I remember, you know, dramatic life from tiger snake bite and being almost, you know, being dead for 24 hours virtually when I was a kid to being chased by sharks, just, just south of Lennox head many, many years ago, the first time I came back to work, I think, and I love the natural realms.

Greg (37:44):
I, I think I just, I just think it’s it’s. So the whole thing is a cosmic joke. I, I, I remember, um, as I said, I was quite a stressed person and, and years ago, the funniest things happened with his as experiences. I remember this, this little Budha I’ll, I’ll show you a picture of it. Like this is actually this guy rocked up in my stuff and I’m not, I’m not a religious per, I’m not a, I’m not a Buddhist, but he was literally in my, I could see him there. I felt him and, and someone would come and tell me the most, like a few before I came to Brisbane, about 10 years ago, I was living in Spain. And, um, in a social situation, you know, in this cheering G on the beach or having a drink, very social, these people didn’t know what I, it, and I was taking a bit of time out.

Greg (38:25):
I was writing my book at the time. Anyway, um, this woman comes up to me and it’s beautiful night on the beach, you know, having a beer or whatever. And, and she, and she tells me the most grotesque, uh, uh, suicidal situation, attempted suicide. She’d had like outta nowhere, you know, and she’s talking to me and, and this guy, once again, rocked up in my stomach and he’s always laughing. He’s like, so whenever anyone comes with a drama at that’s stage of my life, I’d feel him shuttering. And I thought ohoh and I, I, I started the belly laugh, you know, I started and I just thought I couldn’t stop. And she’s looking at me, horrified everyone around just horrified that Greg is doing a belly laugh when someone was telling them these most extreme ex. And then she started to laugh, you know, and, and we all had a, we all had a really good laugh and nothing else was said.

Greg (39:13):
And I thought, well, that, that, that was kind of weird. And, um, it’s almost like having had such a dramatic childhood and being able to laugh at it. Um, and then seeing the drama that people hold it set me up nicely, but I think that can be for anyone I think to be human many is to experience trauma on a certain level. Otherwise we wouldn’t be here. So getting back to the emotional aspect, like even as an energy healer, what I like about is using this experience to like, to, to, I think, I think humans have a lot of emotions and they’re caught there. And I think really getting, getting down if I were to put it in a nutshell, I think we are here to kind of dissolve the emotional body and get into the realm of, of just pure feelings for the sake of feelings where like, you feel this ecstatic sense, not because someone gave you the best chocolate ice cream in the world, or because you got a great job. Do you know what I mean? But there’s this sense of ectasy for no reason. Uh, and that’s how you feel in the Astro, this sense of just beautiful beingness and that, and that, and that doesn’t mean to be Laz in this realm. But I think there is the almost, um, the path least resistance in, in, in, in, in a, in a spiritual sense where you kind of just follow that where you’re pulled, you know, and, um, still the realm of doing, but I just I’ve, I’ve, I’ve gone off topic. I’m I’m I’m sure

Guy (40:45):
Then no, that’s that’s okay. So much of it resonates. I mean, I find in my own journey once, once I really started to be pulled by a vision from the heart really, and, and actually allow that aspect of myself to, to guide me more, as I connected to it more, my life has become more joyful and simpler in, in some respects and things tend to flow a lot more. Even when, even over the last few years there have been moments going, this is really, this is really knocking me here. What am I gonna do? But it always works out if I surrender into it and trust and take action from

Greg (41:20):
It. It’s so true. It’s so true. Which

Guy (41:22):
Is incredible. Do you, yeah. Do you still often as for travel, do you still like, do you do it every night or is it something that you do once a week or you, you, you you’ve kind of explored so much, you kind of don’t now, does it leave you feeling tired the next day or is it perfectly fine? Like what happens for you?

Greg (41:45):
It’s a good question. I mean, it, it does leave you feeling a bit tired. Um, you feel kind of rapid. I, I don’t see get as much as I do some it’s, it’s a very conscious experience. If I do. I find it’s a different experience, like before it was very dramatic and lots of vibrations and a lot of people to, and lights and stuff, and now I’ll find myself, I might just go outta body. So I generally let it happen. I’m kind of all about, I guess, if you like embodying these other realms in the human experience. So like, even as I speak to you, as you were saying, as you were saying before this heart based, this heart led experience, it’s almost like I feel I’m watching myself talk to you right now. I’m kind of allowing that to flow. I’m not actually doing anything.

Greg (42:31):
Uh, you’re just along for the ride, uh, in the best sense, not, not in a copout sense, but you just saw for the rider and, and, um, you know, like in the Astro, the words that come out, I used to meet these, this crowd of beings and it was hilarious. And, and maybe it was, it was a round table discussion. This, this went on night after night, the same scenario. I had idea what they were talking about, but I remember it was very lofty and it was very beautiful, but I had no idea. All I could sense was the energy. It was like way above me. And I remember when it came my time to talk, feeling a bit nervous, cause they all looked at me out, came this flow of incredibly lucid situation of humankind on earth, about our use of the resources, about our use of sharing them about our, we treat our own.

Greg (43:21):
And it was so bizarre because I had no preparation in mind. They looked at me and the information floated. It was just so bizarre. So more in mind thinking, you know, to the, as experience is to embody it. So I don’t have that same craving. I let it happen. Uh, if there’s something I may really want to experience, you know, I, I, I will kind of, um, ask for guidance. Cause a lot of it is, it is, it is a guided experience, which is good. So it’s kind of, yeah. To in answer the question, I just, I, I like kind of, uh, the stuff I’m doing in this reality, um, with energy and with loose and with Asal trouble, I like teaching. I like to share it. I like to, to do my healing and stuff. So it’s kind of like, I like the, um, the, to, to bring it into other people’s lives.

Greg (44:10):
So I just don’t crave it, that experience as much. I know I’m doing it anyway. And often I will often I will be out there flying people out who I don’t even recognize I’ll be flying them over these incredible, uh, cuz you your sense of perspective and the astrol like that there’s no, um, um, horizon, like, and, but then sometimes people will contact me and say, oh, you know, thanks for coming to, to take me on an Astro flight. And I don’t remember doing that. So it’s a bit of a need to know basis. I think, you know, I think it’d be exhausting if, if we were always conscious of what we’re doing in the Astro. Yeah. Hmm.

Guy (44:50):
Yeah. Incredible. And for people listening to this right now that might be going, you know what, that’s all great, Greg, but geez, you know, you know, everything is physical. Every that’s my reality. I have, uh, you know, it’s like trying to smash a piece of concrete. Every time I go to meditate, it’s like, I’m not cutting through any, this, this is just like, is it possible? Is it possible for everyone to, to do this? If they choose to, do you think? Yeah,

Greg (45:20):
Well, is it possible for everyone to be conscious? They’re doing it because everyone’s doing it with, without the, the Astro body precedes, it precedes the physical body, all the images, it’s actually a bit bigger than the physical body. I, I believe it is. Um, it’s a question of, um, this notion as you say of surrender, like in meditation, a lot of people talk about they’re a bit, they’re a bit afraid to go that little extra step. So I think, um, I think, I believe, I believe it is from what I’ve seen, people have experiences, um, they, they can do it. You can, I’m fascinated with the fact that we can manipulate it into happening. This is what I’m interested that we can manipulate ourselves into, into remembering. So I think it’s almost short circuiting. We’ve been programmed to think that you go to sleep and really scientists don’t know what’s going on. We sleep, but you know what happens. So we’re kind of, we’re, it’s it’s to short circuit that program of body and mind to sleep at the same time. It’s D so it’s just a reprogramming that goes on.

Guy (46:22):
Mm. One last question on this topic. Well, is, is there anything to fear with learning this work? Because it can conjure up fears initially it did for me initially, you know, until I started to experience it, uh, um,

Greg (46:38):
Look, I don’t, yeah. I, I don’t believe so. Look, I had all sorts of little monsters rocking up. I remember one, this hairy monster used to rock up at the end of the bed. It was really hilarious. It’s like one of those Disney, hairy monsters, you know, and I used to just swear at it and, and, and, you know, it’s really funny and occasionally, you know, there’s being, but what I find is when they see you see them in the, if they’re mischievous entities, if they know you see them, they are outta there. I mean, it is a very fluid realm. We are constantly, um, in a relationship with other beings at all times, it’s going on, it’s actually going on right now. You know, it, people are being impacted. So look, you bump your head, you injure yourself. Um, you pay tax. I think these things are, are often more troubling than, than me, the national entity that, you know what I mean? So you just gotta be prepared for, I, I just wouldn’t pay too much homage to a lot of the, um, emotional vibes that come out of these movies about it. You know, they’re often really scary and negative, you know, movies to deal with this kind of stuff. It’s not like that. There, there is a humor involved is a guidance. There is a love involved. I, so I would suggest to anyone, you know, unless you’re on very heavy antipsychotic medication, I think you just go for it. That’s what I would say.

Guy (48:03):
Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And what do you hold for the future? I mean, are you, what, where do you see yourself for the, the next five, 10 years with your work? Cause I know you do energy healing as well, if

Greg (48:16):
I’m yeah, yeah. I like that. And, and I like the Asal stuff. Um, well, you know, that’s a, that’s a good question. Um, I like the idea of appearing, um, uh, in a room, uh, in a, in a, in a non localized. What I mean by that is kind of, uh, doing some weird, like playing with the astrol as well. Like I, even once I kid you, not, this sounds really wacko and it’s absolutely okay for people not to believe it. I wouldn’t believe it if someone told me, but I, once actually in the physical had an Astro experience and actually lifted off the ground, it was so cool. Um, and what was really

Guy (49:00):
Your physical body lifted off the ground?

Greg (49:02):
And what, what was so weird was it was like, um, my higher self was saying this kind of chant. It was, it was really out there, but, but look, who knows, I, for me, I just, um, you, you kind of just let it happen. You know, I like, I like the fact that energy healing is, is, is, is a concrete thing I can actually do in this reality. Like, what I’m looking for is to do things that relate energetic things that you can actually, you know, uh, purpose to this reality. So I think that, um, I just enjoy doing what I’m doing. Seven D I am bringing out a second book soon, which is like a, a fictional book. Um, like, like once again, I, I hesitate, use the word spiritual, but it’s like a spiritual adventure, a bit of humor of Asal stuff, that kind of stuff, but making it rather than a, a non-fiction book, which my original book was about my awakening, but this is, um, a fiction book, bit of fun. So I also like at writing as well. So I think just being creative with it and just seeing what happens, you know?

Guy (50:04):
Yeah. Fantastic. And if people want to find out more about your work, you, you, are you still teaching the ASL workshops at the, at the moment? I know we we’ve been pandemic to workshops.

Greg (50:14):
Yeah. I’m doing smaller ones at home. Like I’m doing like six people, one I’ve got, I’ve got one kind me up in a, in a few weeks, but I’m doing them a fair bit, like just a half a dozen people in, cause I’ve got this room where I can do that. Um, I’ve got it online. One on my website. People can look at that, which is, which is good. It’s got like just the basic videos and step by step instruction. So, so yeah, I’m still doing that. And I do a lot of private, like, um, zoom is great. So I do like, you know, private consults with people who are not in Australia, just, just helping them, you know, maybe hone their, everyone comes from a per perspective. So a lot of people, it is, it is fantastic. I mean, people are interested from all walks of life and Asal, you know, and it’s not just the Asal thing. It’s developing elusive mind and maybe help with meditation as well, you know? Yeah. And also I like, I mean, I’ve done a few. Yeah.

Guy (51:03):
Fantastic. Well, I yeah, no please. And you all,

Greg (51:10):
Oh no, no. I also like, no, a few years ago I started sometimes talking like to groups of people at, at events like, um, you know, presentations on astral and that was good, fun too, reaching a bigger number. So I think in the future, I think as the whole restrictions ease, um, I’ll get back into, um, you know, uh, just sharing just off to, to people, you know, in person, in, in bigger events again, be good. Fun. Yeah.

Guy (51:40):
Yeah. Fantastic. Last question for you, Greg. Um, with everything that we’ve covered today, which has been a fair bit, um, is there anything you’d like to leave the listeners to ponder on?

Greg (51:53):
I will. I, I like you asked that question and it’s funny, you you’ve drawn out the answer, which is a weird answer. So, so, so before I went to Spain, this was a dozen years ago. Yeah. Anyway, I, I was meditating one day and I felt this little weird movement in the back of the left of my head. And I came out of it and I said to my wife, something, it felt pleasant, but it was like something shifted. And I said to my wife, something really weird has happened and I couldn’t actually put a sentence together. It was really weird. I couldn’t speak like I am now. I was still doing a better music. It was kind of the tail end. I was doing Reiki, but kind of not re talking and hadn’t respect at the a stuff, but we’re still doing music. Now, what I found was this, I would have to rehearse the names of my colleagues I’d have to rehearse conversations that I was gonna have that day, so I could enter into conversation.

Greg (52:46):
Cause I literally couldn’t put a sentence together. I had to find the word because of that experience. I became very quiet for a while and when I did speak, I could only say what I meant. That meant I became belligerent in my old workplace because I just couldn’t the, the workplace to me because I didn’t want to be there became toxic. Wasn’t toxic to others, but to me, because I didn’t want to be there. And I became kind of belligerently honest, and that pushed me into doing just what I want to do. Um, only what I wish, what, what, what is authentic. And then I started to like myself again, because I was no longer in a toxic place that made me feel like a belligerent person, cuz I started not to like myself. So for some reason I wanted to share that with people.

Greg (53:34):
Like, it’s really curious what pulls you in that direction. But I think this, this sense of authenticity, this just, it’s so much freeing, more freeing just to be, be who you are, you know, uh, and just live that life. And I know it sounds simplistic and all that, but a lot of people aren’t. So I guess to, yeah, that, that was a really curious experience because it, it was hilarious. I couldn’t speak and people thought Greg’s gone off his nut, you know, but someone said to me who knew what I was doing, someone said, Greg, that’s interesting. That’s because you’ve been going ASL therefore, because what did happen when I meditated, even now there’s like nothing going on deliciously dumb state where the narrat was kicked outta the office. So I think meditation is beautiful kicking. So that was surely the me, the radio was kicked out and it kind of left me floundering for a while because I had, there was no commentary, you know, like there was no, you don’t do that.

Greg (54:36):
You should do this. Oh, you don’t do that. Don’t do that. You know, it was just like, okay, Greg can’t speak. Okay. You, and so I wrote the book as a method of therapy because literally I thought I would just write down my experiences because then I had to get from one into the sentence. The other that is hilarious. And that was, that was my coming out. Otherwise I wouldn’t have taught the whole I’s so, so bizarre. I mean that, and that storyline is so lame. You know, you wouldn’t, you wouldn’t script that because LA, but that, it seems to be the way these rums work. They’re just gonna get you there however they can. Anyway,

Guy (55:14):
You know that that’s a great place to end this show, Greg, thank you. And um, it’s definitely showed up in my life more, the closer I come to my own truth and live from that place. Uh, it, it, it, it changes your, your whole world. So yeah, absolutely for everyone listening, other than sure that, uh, there’s links in the show notes, whether you’re on YouTube, Spotify, iTunes, all you need to do is just pause the podcast, scroll down below and, and Greg’s website will be there. Just, uh, say your website out loud, Greg, just for everyone listening

Greg (55:45):
As well. Yeah. Greg Doyle dot. No, no. Sorry. Greg Doyle. astro.com. So Greg Doyle astrol.com. Yeah.

Guy (55:56):
Beautiful Greg, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for, uh, doing what you do and, uh, creating, uh, wonders intrigue in your stories and journeys. And like I was saying, I’m halfway through your book as well, which I highly recommend for people to check out as well. It, uh, will definitely give you, uh, deeper insights into some of your, your experiences and, and the work that you’ve put out there. So, Greg, thanks for coming on the show. Uh, really appreciate it, mate.

Greg (56:22):
Uh, thanks so much. I’ve loved it. Thank you. It’s been a pleasure.