#137 My awesome guest this week is Reverend Bill Mcdonald, a director of hearts and a tool-man of the soul. Our conversation revolves around one seemingly basic concept: “love” and how centring our lives around it can change us for the better. Rev. Bill, as his friends call him, is an author, award-winning poet, motivational speaker, and a Vietnam War veteran and in this episode, he tells us what he thinks will bring us joy. What is the effect of gratitude on our worldview and life? What does Bill think we need to dedicate our lives to? What really matters in life and how can we use it to change ourselves for the better? What is God?

I know, we’re answering some really deep and personal questions. But whatever your thoughts on these questions might be, I guarantee you will not regret hearing what Bill has to add.

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About Bill: Rev. Bill McDonald has been on a continuous spiritual journey, spanning over 7 decades. His whole life has been a long mystical trip in search of gurus, the paranormal, self-discovery and self-realization. He has written many books about his spiritually transformative experiences and “near-death-experiences” including supernatural events during his combat tour of duty in the Vietnam War.

His autobiography “Warrior A Spiritual Odyssey” takes us on a life quest for love, understanding, forgiveness and enlightenment.  His follow-up book “Alchemy of a Warrior’s Heart “continues that mystical journey including four trips to India for even more profound experiences with holy men, miracles and his personal relationship with the Divine.

He has spoken around the world including Germany, England, Wales, Bolivia, Vietnam and India. He has been involved with a dozen films and documentaries. He was a Keynote Speaker at last year’s (The International Association of Near-Death Studies) IANDS 2019 Conference. He has been interviewed or talked on over 12000 radio & TV shows, Podcasts, newspaper and magazines since 1998.

Some call him a mystic, a healer, a teacher, and even a psychic but he just calls himself a friend to those in need. He freely helps military veterans and their families worldwide through his Spiritual Warrior Ministries. He is also a yoga meditation teacher, an artist, a poet, a writer, actor, film consultant, SCUBA Instructor, and an international motivational speaker.

He has had 3 near-death experiences and many spiritually transformative experiences which he talks about and share with audiences. His main focus is on motivating people to love and serve others and to forgive.

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Key points with time stamp:

• Bill’s work in his own words (5:19)
• What is the essence of life? (9:51)
• What can gratitude do for us? (12:37)
• How can we connect to our hearts and simply surrender? (16:41)
• Bill’s opinion on manifestation (18:01)
• Focusing on the Now and not having a victim mindset (21:44)
• Why is it so hard to forgive? (34:10)
• In the end, it all comes down to Love (40:05)
• The tipping point for Bill (40:38)
• How can we achieve deeper connections to spiritualty? (48:09)
• How does Bill define God? (52:11)
• Bill’s morning routine (1:01:21)
• Bill’s choice of a dinner guest, dead or alive (1:05:24)
• What Bill leaves us with (1:07:39)

Mentioned in this episode:

• Wayne Dyer
• Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder
• The Rainbow Body Experience
• The CIA
• Kriya Yoga
• Stanford University
• The Bible
• Genesis
• Kundalini
• President Jimmy Carter
• Ignatius of Layola
• Francis of Assisi
• Bill Gates

Rev. Bill’s Website:
www.revbillmcdonald.com
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Facebook – Rev. Bill McDonald https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=735455761

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Documentary on Rev. Bill’s Life. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xrtyOqwr9E&list=PLQtoEMQ3knpjuNrsnQZxSIj0Xmy9jJWWs&index=13&t=0s

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TRANSCRIPT

Guy 00:07
Hey, beautiful people. This is guy. Thank you for tuning in. I’m your host, of course on my podcast just in case you didn’t know, or if you’re new welcome and where I have conversations that go well beyond conventional health, wealth and wisdom to inspire change in our lives. And if you’ve been tuning into my recent episodes, I hope you’ve been enjoying them since I’ve been back since my baby Ava. She’s now 13 weeks old since we’re recording this blows my mind how quickly Time flies and watching her evolve and teach me everyday something which is beautiful. Anyway, I digress. Let’s get back onto the show. I’ve got Reverend Bill McDonald for you today. He, this is just an incredible conversation. I just want to give Mrk Gober who had on the podcast recently a shout out. Definitely recommend go and check that episode out. He suggested to get Bill on the show, like with no hesitation, and and I looked into Bill’s work and boy, yeah, I can see why I mean, I’ll quickly read out his bio Bill, Reverend Bill McDonald’s been on a continuous spiritual journey spanning over seven decades. His whole life has been a long mystical trip in search of gurus, the paranormal self discovery and self realization. He has written many books about his spiritual, spiritually transformative experiences and near death experiences, including supernatural events during the combat tour of duty in the Vietnam War. And is I won’t read more of his bio because we get into it in the show today. And he does he has hundreds of videos on YouTube about all his jaw dropping mystical experiences and like of the supernatural, paranormal, it’s quite incredible what this man shares and from his own experiences, and you know, but I when I invited Bill on and we I think the conversation we both agreed on as well wanted to have was to really cut through to the heart of it all and what really matters and what impact us so how we can make true change in our lives. And I think that’s really important. I’ve been guilty of it myself go and just chasing different experiences. And and by chasing them it’s, uh, you know, kept prevented me from actually making the change that I needed in the day to day grind of life, you know, so we get into all sorts of conversations. So and I’ve no doubt you’ll get a lot out of the show today. And I definitely recommend going checking out Bill’s work after this, which I’m sure you do. But give yourself a time. It’s a long episode. You know, ideally try and do it in one hit, go for a nice long walk, or whatever you do if you’re commuting, you know, and yeah, I’m sure to kick back and enjoy it and I want to give a shout out on iTunes all the way from the USA and it says changing me one podcast at a time from magpie 25, 5 stars, somehow the way guy speaks to his guests, allows you the space to grow and change as an individual versus thinking they can do it. But I can’t, I am no different than you. And if you feel a desire to change, you can begin to believe it is possible. And I just want to appreciate that. And, you know, it’s interesting, most of my one not most, I think it’s about 70% of my listeners come from Australia, mainly with New Zealand. Of course, it’s just across the pond. But you know, if you are living outside of Australia or anywhere else in the world, and you listen to this, a review would be deeply appreciated. You know, Europe, USA and New Zealand wherever you might be, because you know, it’s interesting, I sometimes feel like the satellite, just bleeping this faint message out in the universe somewhere and people are picking it up and and the people are tune in and listen, it definitely helps impact their lives but obviously by by sharing it with a loved one or friend or leaving a review is certainly going to help me grow and certainly helped me grow a global audience. And if you do so, and you’re in a foreign country and you take the time to leave a review, please let me know. Even just a direct message me on Instagram or drop me an email or something. It takes two minutes. And I appreciate I know I asked every week I sound like a broken record, but it really does help. And I know people are busy. But all these things do lean into directly helping someone else as well, which is what I want to do with the show, which is awesome. That’s it for now. We got lots going on. I just you know where to come if you want to find out more, or even check out my free meditation guylawrence.com.au not sure where to start. Come back. It’s all there. Anyway, let’s go over to Bill MacDonald. Bill, welcome to the podcast.

Bill 04:51
Well, good morning to you. Because you’re such a fast guy you’re whole day ahead of me. But it’s afternoon here in California so top of the morning to you.

Guy 04:59
Thank you. Thank you, and I appreciate you coming on the show man. And before we before we kick off into any conversation, I like to ask people and let’s say you wandered into a coffee shop right now and you ended up speaking to a complete stranger and they asked you, what do you do for a living these days or keep yourself busy? What would you say to them?

Bill 05:19
Well, actually, I’m one of those guys. When I walk into a coffee shop, I never sit alone somebody will eventually migrate to where I’m at. So there’s always a conversation. I don’t like to, you know, sit there and meditate by myself. I’m very you know, people are open. I’m always wanting to talk to them. What I do for a living…I guess I’m what you call a conscious liver. I mean, not the meat, liver like you’re living.I am out there to serve and to love to me the whole thing about life is about serving and loving. And I retired. I was a safety manager in Federal Government for the postal service. And I was in charge of safety for 10,000 employees and everything and a lot of responsibility but I’ve been retired 20 years. 20 years shows you how old I am 20 years I’ve been retired. And I work harder now than I did when I was working. Up until this virus, which just kicked California. Everything shut down here. I I don’t do any public talks. I don’t travel anymore. I’m pretty much at home. But up until then, I was. I was in Wales. I was in England. I was in Germany. I was in India. I was in Vietnam. I was China’s and Bolivia’s brew was traveling all over the world, and giving talks giving lectures doing radio, giving workshops. So what I really do is reach out every day like today, here’s today typical day, I gave help and advice to a young man in the Philippines. And a guy was having some emotional things going on. And so I worked with him. I worked with a young lady in England. I worked with a young man in Germany. I don’t work with too many old people. So as young people contact me on what it is, it does work in an East Coast with somebody from Florida and I was having a consultation with the with a guy in in Los Angeles, all different issues. That was my morning. And so I hadn’t had a lot of time down doing anything. I don’t sit around and watch TV all day long. It’s all about serving. And so I try to get other people out there when I meet him. I kind of do a quick read on him, I find a winner and I try to get the conversation off me and what I do. And I try to get the focus on them because most people they’re looking for somebody to listen to them. So I think it to answer your question, what do I do for a living that probably listen more than I used to, even though I do a lot of radio and television talks, if you take that away, it just mean you sat down someplace, and we weren’t recording this. It would probably be 90%. you talking to me listening. And not me doing that just as a courtesy, but me doing that because I really want to know who you are and what you’re what you’re going through. And if I can offer any energy to that, that I do, what I do, I have a rule and I refuse to tell people what to do. So what should I do? Should I get this job? Should I move here? Should I move from Wales to Australia, right? I would have never told you to do one way or the other. I’d say well go with your heart. Right. What do you think? So I’m a director of hearts. I’m not a tool man of the soul. I tried to provide for people what they need without telling them what to do or what they need. So yeah, that’s in a nutshell that’s what I do. That’s that’s my toolbox.

Guy 09:09
Yeah Beautiful, beautiful and you know even researching your work bill before and you know you’ve lived such an incredibly full life and you you you know you like you say clearly a man of service and contributing and helping other people. And with all those people that you would have met, seen and do and experiences you’ve had and which we can talk about later. But what do you think is the essence of it all the essence of life then with the essence of what it is we here to do and grow with? Because I find this so many people lost and that was me for a long time as well. And if you had to capsulate that and take the essence out, what is it?

Bill 09:51
Well, let me start off by saying this. I talked to a young man in high school. He has no idea where he wants to do what he wants to go to college, go to military get a job. I got a I got a granddaughter one of my granddaughters is in college, university of Reno in Nevada, or University of Nevada in Reno and she changed her major, I think three or four times. She’s graduating this year. And I’m wondering if she knows where she’s going, right? I’ve met 96 year old men and women that are still telling me they’re still trying to figure it out. So you could spend a whole life just frustrated by asking the question, or as I tell people don’t think about it, just do. Just do go with the moment where you’re at. When I’m asked to speak at, like a graduation, you know, for like a military group or some other group but I don’t get invited to the big college campuses, but for little graduations I go into I’m different than your normal graduation speaker because you’ll listen to the rest of these graduation talkers and they’ll say stuff like, go out into the world, find a job that you love to do and get that job, right? Move to where you love to live, you know, and they go through all this stuff and go where they can make a lot of a lot of people make some crazy decisions. Because when people want to do I talk to young people, where do you want to do? Oh, I have a blog. I want to travel. Okay, good luck with that, buddy. You’ll make a good living. But I tell people this learn to love the job you got. All labor is noble, and it’s in service right to others. So if you can’t love the job you got you’re not going to get the job you love. You’re not gonna be happy then either. Learn the job, learn to love what you have learned who love who you’re with. Who did you marry who you’re dating what’s your what’s your people, your friends, love them and love where you’re at. doesn’t mean you don’t move, you don’t change, you don’t expand, you don’t do other things. But if you can’t love where you’re at, and loving what you’re doing now and loving who you’re with, then you won’t, when you move on to something else you think moved on to something you like, but you gotta love whatever you’re doing, it doesn’t matter what it is. And all jobs, if they’re in service to society, to all to the one to God, whatever. If you do all your work in service and love, then everything you do is blessed. So I don’t know what the question was, but that was my answer.

Guy 12:37
Beautiful because it’s the I think, and I always speak from my own experience, but it was the greatest illusion thinking, I’m going to get this job, I’m going to make this money. I’m going to do this, then I’m going to feel successful and happy and then I’m going to be fulfilled. But what you’re saying is, is that if we come back to the present moment and come back to be it’s almost like have been great For everything that we have right now.

Bill 13:03
Gratitude, that’s something that this new generation, I’m noticing a great lack of I’m hoping that they prove me wrong and decades to come. But right now we have a whole group of young people growing up, at least in the West. I don’t know about Australia, but in the West, Canada, United States in particular, gratitude is is not a virtue. It’s instant gratification and everything I want, I want I want and people go get it. They don’t appreciate what they have in appreciate what they’ve been given. My God to live in a free country, like Australia, like like the UK, you know, like Canada, like United States to live in a free country. I’ve traveled around the world. I’ve seen other people. I’ve seen what they’ve gone through and I’m going, you know, be grateful for what you have. Because even the poorest person in America is better off than People in some of these African countries and South American countries, so we have a lot. So be grateful. Being grateful is everything grateful for what you get attracts like a magnet more of what you need. And I tell people don’t go out looking for what you think you want what you want is not necessarily what you need two different things. We got people out there I want this huge house five bedrooms and I want four baths, I want a you know, a Porsche sitting in the driveway in Jaguar a house is a house. The bigger house ain’t gonna make anymore that many more times happier than a small house. Again, be satisfied a grateful for what you have tried to you know if you can achieve more and get more. And I say that because when you have more than you’re able to give more and help other people and not be dependent The state yourself, when you become independent if you can come independently wealthy, and better yet become independently wealthy, and become an employer of others so people can labor for, for income. That’s a blessing for all we need more people out there that are creating work and jobs for people plow in their profits back in so we can hire more people. And we have just the opposite going on out there. We have people that I don’t care what company if it’s Amazon or whatever, even though they’re hiring lots of people, they’re always looking for ways to cut the assembly line down, replace it with a robot, right? replace it with a computer, replace the human element with something that’s machine. So in the next 20 years, you’re going to see jobs such as truck drivers, which is a big employer in Australia, the United States and it’s you know, non skilled to a certain level, you know, driving a truck’s driving a truck. But they’re gonna, replace those with these big trucks and they already have them that could drive themselves. Cross Country, and they’ll Park and everything else, all computer driven. So there’s a big segment of of employment in the United States that’s going to take a hit. So I always applaud people that are out there creating jobs, and finding ways to serve others. So to me, the perfect future would be if you eliminate jobs, you’ve created service environment jobs for people, people that can clean up the environment, people take care of children, people that educate people, people that are there to nurse and nursing homes and hospitals. Those kinds of service jobs are a blessing for all so I’m hoping they don’t replace those with robots. So…

Guy 16:37
Yeah, you know what I find fascinating is that when we speak of gratitude and speak of, of service, and actually being in a place where we can almost bring things into a labor of love for me, and I think this this is an issue generally in the Western society. That I was completely disconnected from my heart and any, any kind of divine wisdom that was beyond me. And I was absolutely had zero connection to any of it. And while living from that place, I was suspicious there might be something more. But while living from that place it I was in my head constantly and I see it with so many people we’re all stuck in our heads we don’t take the journey and reconnect to the heart and, and start to come from that place and start to live from that place and trust our place just like you were told we were talking off air you say you surrender you took up to these big speaking events, and you just get on stage and you surrender to that moment and you trust and you have that knowing that’s innate in us. It’s embodied in us, but but it’s been such a huge journey for me so far, and I only wish others could experience that too. How do we how do we help people get there? From your own experience?

Bill 18:01
Let’s let’s talk about that because connecting those dots are more important and you stories are the things I can relate about what I’m doing what I’ve done, you know, in the end, it’s about your listeners, your viewers on this. Where are they going? What do they need? How can we help them? And the first thing is, if somebody told you before we went on the air, I said, you’re going to find them one of the most thoughtless people person should know. And I’m talking about, try not to get the mind into the thinking, you know, over I don’t overthink anything. Every decision is intuition. How do you feel I’m more about feeling and sensing than I am about analyzing and looking at the data. And when you’re dealing with people, I don’t look at it the data. You know, I’m looking at their heart, because if you want to get ahead this world, you got to stop All the thoughts from coming from here. And some of the thinking has to come from your heart. You have to be heart lead. And this will open doors for you. Let’s talk about something that will help manifesting. People talk about manifesting all the time. And I don’t know your country I go to people’s houses and in California, especially Los Angeles, and they got pictures on refrigerator on the bulletin board and things they want to manifest their life a new car, big house, a new TV series because actor friends, you know, they got all these things up there, and they’re materializing these things. They they look at him every day they think about it, they focus on it. That’s not what I teach people. I’m going to first off the universe. God, the Creator of all knows your needs. You don’t gotta tell God, hey god. I need a Mercedes Benz. Well, God’s gonna deliver you a rideshare to pick you up. Take you to work, you got no problem. No Volkswagen bug doesn’t make a difference in transportation, right? So you start telling God what you need. You’re selling God short because actually what God may give you may be something even greater than you would appreciate because not everything that you get is good for you. And we have people United States, we have what we call a lotto you know, you can win millions and millions of dollars, you buy a ticket, you know, and the numbers come up and many I know seven winners have big millions of dollars, seven people. I mean, hang around me alone if you’re gonna win some right? No seven. Also, know six people been hit by lightning and for people that have been attacked by sharks, so I don’t know what any of that means. But anyway, you win the lotto. It’s not a guarantee to happiness, lots of divorces, your relatives fight with you because they think they deserve something your friends are jealous of you. You get that money all of a sudden now you can afford drugs you can afford more this more that you quit your job is not necessarily the greatest thing for you. So just because you get good material things from your materializations doesn’t mean that’s necessarily what you need. So I tell people, what you need to be doing is spending time materializing things that make you content. Happy. peaceful, right, loving, appreciative, materialize the wealth of happiness. And people looking at me like what? Materialize happy Yes, materialize happiness. It grows. The seed is always there. You can choose to grow it or you can choose to ignore it. Most people never water, the seed of happiness because they’re still in this victim mentality, that they lack something that everybody’s picking on them and the world’s done this to them, and they deserve better and more and he got to get out if you ever go to one of my workshops I let people talk and people will start to tell me their problems. And I let people only go so far and tell me their problems. I go when that happened 20 years ago, 10 years ago, five years, focus on the now. always focus on what is in your control. Yesterday is out of your control. Tomorrow is only partially in your control. In other words, things you do today, either can make tomorrow better or worse, right? You don’t have 100% control, but you have some influence on it. So that’s okay. But it’s what you do in the now that can influence the future. It’s what you do in the now that will make your life better now. And that’s the only thing you’re guaranteed is to announce I teach people work in the now. mean, don’t dwell on things the past. I had I had a guy come to me. And I’ve told the story in the past and I’ve had several incidences of this where the guy gets bad news. He finds out he’s stage, stage four, cancer. I mean, he’s, he’s gonna, he’s got a six month death sentence waiting for him. And this particular guy, and I choose this story and I hope he doesn’t mind he’s he’s dead now, but I hope he doesn’t mind me telling the story. He was not a very nice guy. I’m one of the few people that that he could talk to because I didn’t judge him. I just saw him as a soul spirit. So he tried to do the best they could, but he was failing. He had several marriages, three, four marriages, not sure exactly how many. He had several children from each marriage. He had talked to those children’s in a decade. And no relationship with his ex wives. He was a boss at some big company when he retired and was happy left and nobody nobody talked to him after he left the company was like he had friends and play golf anymore. They only played golf with them because he was the boss. Once he was the boss, nobody wanted to be around him. So he came to me He says, Reverend bill, pray for me. I heard your healer you could do all these things and stuff and I go, well, let’s look what you got. I said, I’m looking at this the fact that you know, you got six months to live as a gift. He goes, What? What do you mean, tell me that’s a gift. That’s a gift. Most people don’t know where they’re going to go, they can have a heart attack tomorrow and drop dead or get run over by a bus or you know, or fall trip hit their head, they’re gone, whatever. But you, you got an idea that you got a short time left. And now’s the time, to mend relationships, to look at your spiritual life, to look at your children to look at your ex wives, to look at all these things that you’ve messed up quote unquote in your life and try to fix them. While you still have an opportunity to do so. Control the now. I told him I said you don’t it’s not about Who loves us in this lifetime? The big question when the time comes is Who did you love? Because that’s what you had control over. Would you love what you do for I just serve? How did you help? So he wasn’t happy that answer guarantee wasn’t happy with that answer. He was looking for me to do some kind of miracle hands on and all that kind of stuff. And he left because I’m not going to do anything. It’s it’s your destiny. It’s your karma. It’s your it’s what’s awaiting for you. And as I said, it’s nothing unusual because every one of us has got death waiting for us. It’s just fact. nobody’s getting out of here alive. Except Elvis. Of course, we know that. But everybody else nobody’s getting out here life. So I hadn’t heard anything in a long, long time. And then I saw him just before he died and I said, things were going well, I said last week, you know, I didn’t exactly know what things were going well was about five it before it came out, he was dead tend to services. And there’s his ex wives, they all showed up. And all his kids were there. And I start talking to him. They’re talking about how he came and He listened to them. And he apologized when they attacked him on the phone or in person, or on email and said all bad things about him. He just said, You’re right. I’m sorry. And I blew him away, because after a while, they couldn’t find him anymore. And then he started listening to them and figured out what they needed a [inaudible]. And I said, I said, Well, I guess you guys were listening to him because he told you he was gonna he was dying of cancer. And he said, No, we didn’t know till he died. And I said, Wait a minute. He never told you he was dying of cancer. They said no. So there he was, he wasn’t looking for sympathy. He didn’t want him to like him because he was dying. But he found out how to help them and listen to them and in six months he went from being this arrogant, egotistical, terrible person to a guy that was actually missed his family, his ex wives his children, actually were sorry to see him die. Six months before that they didn’t want to see him come around ever. So when things happen to you, people in the West always have a tendency to judge it. That’s good. That’s bad. That’s evil. That’s terrible. You lose a job. You go, oh my god, I lost a job. Well, you don’t know what’s going down the road. Maybe the next jobs, maybe not it but maybe two or three jobs from now that you get is what you needed. But you would have never looked for that job because you’d still be working for the terrible company you’re working for. Right? So it’s not what happens to us. It’s our attitude about what happens. So I tell people, you get a disease. You get fired, elusive marriage You get injured, something’s going on in your life. And it’s out of your control. Now. You can look at it as your victim, you’re hurting, the playing suffer, it’s painful. Or you can look at it and say, What is the gift? What is this teaching me? What is this supposed to teach me? You had bad parents, they beat you up, they abused you. You were sexually abused. You’re emotionally abused. I’ve met some people been through some. If you listen to their stories, it’s terrible. You want to cry for them. But that doesn’t help. Because they’ve been telling the sad story for 30 years, right? And everybody’s listen to everybody’s, what they have to eventually do is they eventually have to go alright. I don’t have to like that person. I don’t have to like anything that did to me. What I need to love and forgive them. You don’t have to tell them you forgive them. You don’t have to tell them in person that you love them. It’s all done from here. It’s all done from within because By hating the people that have done things to you, and by hating the events that happened to you, and by focusing on them forever. You’re never healing. You’re the one be punished. It’s like somebody really does something nasty and mean to you and they say bad things about you. And you leave, and you’re angry with them. You think about it for weeks and weeks and months, maybe even years. Maybe you never talk to that person for 20 years relative. You think that other person ever gives a second thought about what they said to you? Probably not. Would you dwelled on it? And then every time you tell the story to somebody about what happened to you? You’ve relived that event, just like it happened. I was listening to a woman and she’s telling me in great details, tears coming down her eyes, and she’s very animated and tell me about this terrible operation she had now painful. It was hard it was to recover. And I’m listed as I’m thinking, Oh, my God when this happened last month. Oh no, that was 20 Seven years ago, and she’s still talking about it right? To her every time she brings it up. It’s real. Like it’s just happening now. So I tell people, it’s not helping you. It’s not creating a better future for you. It hasn’t created a better now this moment. So take control of your life. When you allow others to beat you up emotionally, most especially emotionally. And you hold that whether it’s a bad marriage, a bad childhood, whatever. If you keep hanging on to that that person continues to punish you over and over and over again.

Guy 30:42
I remember Wayne Dyer once saying it’s like trying to poison someone else but drinking the poison yourself.

Bill 30:48
Absolutely, absolutely. It’s it. I remember I had a I had a boss and she say hated me. would be, maybe not an exaggeration, but pretty darn close. She looked for everything she could do to try to get rid of me. And I finally said, hey, go anywhere here. I’m going to transfer to another department and it worked out well. But she’d fallen every boss I had, and tell him all the stuff that she thought I was terrible of. he dives out of the office for two years, you still make a point to talk to him and say, Oh, you got him working for you? Don’t you find him this and that, and I had the big bosses of the corporation come to me, and a big guy, you know, and he goes district manager and he goes, you know, Bill, she’s doing you’re wrong. He file official charge on here. We’ll take care of her. I mean, you know, you just this bad, you know, rasp and all this stuff. You don’t go, No, no, I don’t want to think to happen to her. I forgiven her. In fact, every time she was mean and nasty to me. I would pray for her. And when I went home at night at visualiser pray for and when I was is no longer working for her anymore for 18 years, and ever, and I didn’t see her for like 16 of that. I prayed for her. I sent her love. And then 18 years later I ran into her I was I was given a, there was a new postmaster of an office. And I was asked by that postmaster to, to do a benediction, and, you know, an opening prayer for the ceremony where they swear him into the postmaster. And this old boss was invited. And she said to the front roll, and she’s looking at me with the biggest smile that she I never seen her smile like that. Her husband which is so happy to be there, looking at me, and afterwards it came up and hug me and look, they had no idea I’ve been praying for them for 18 years to give them love. And I never told him I haven’t told him this day but Never give up on somebody. If you have somebody that that you’ve had a run in with, it’s not important fact, it’s not a good idea to ever tell them well, I forgive you, because that’s like in your face, right? I forgive you, God bless you, but you’re really angry at him. And it’s just like, I’m higher evolved than you are. Because I can forgive, you know, don’t even tell anybody to forgive. If somebody comes to you like a 12 step program, because I have this happen all the time I people on a 12 step program and they’ll call me up. I want to ask you forgiveness for something and I go, I don’t remember that. Oh, yeah, I did this too. I did. I said, You know what, I forgive you if that’s what you want. But I have no memory. I don’t remember these things that people have done. Terrible to me. It’s like Dee Doo, gone. file. flushed. It’s finished. I burned it. It’s gone. And I said, even if I did remember it, you were forgiven A long time ago, but that you’re asking for formally for me to help you on your 12 step program. You have my you have my forgiveness if that’s what you need, but there’s nothing to forgive because I was never angry. I never let it get to that level.

Guy 34:08
If um, if forgiveness is such a fundamental part of healing, which I believe it is personally, why do you think with these people in general struggle with it so much and hold on so dearly?

Bill 34:26
It’s It’s like my, I work with veterans. Okay. PTSD veterans in particular. I know that’s a term they use in Australia or not, but veterans come back from a war and they got there’s some emotional battles battle damaged there. And a lot of them. I could get them to a place where they could function a lot better if they’d let it go. But they’ve lost their marriage, or they’ve lost their jobs. They got no retirement. They’ve done drugs. They’ve done alcohol and they got all these things. And they all been blamed on the war. You know, fear them did this to me or the Gulf or whatever direct. The war did this to me. And if it was just a year, they’re right. But the war did it. And they got an identity, though. It’s like a PTSD veteran, you know, you know, I’ve got troubles. When you identify as your problem, it’s gonna be hard for that problem to leave. So one of the things on, on me giving workshops trying to help be PTSD veterans, is to give up that ownership and that identity. You know, you’re you’re not that anymore. And that if you want, if you don’t want to be, you’re not that it’s a matter of making up your mind, which is like, almost impossible for all because you want to hang on to it. We want to hang on to the fact that we were abused as a child and our parents didn’t love us and now Things happen to us and we were poor. We didn’t get this. We didn’t get that. That’s our stories. And we hang on to our stories because there’s a certain level of comfort in our stories. We, we know that story. That’s who we are. We’re comfortable. We learned how to handle that pain. I tell people, forget your stories. You’re not your stories. So if guy if you came to me with, with whatever problems you might have, I would listen to you for an hour and listen to tell me what your problems are. And then I’d say, Okay, now we’ve discussed that. We’re never going to talk about that again. Now, let’s talk about what we can do going forward from now. And a lot of people have trouble with that concept. I had people leave my counselor and they go, I don’t I don’t know. No, you don’t understand. I said, No. You want to keep telling me the same stories over and over. You want to convince me how bad you are how big of a victim you are. When people think of themselves as a victim and how things happen to them, they’re looking for somebody to rescue them. They’re looking for that outside source to come and rescue them. They’re looking for that miracle man, the miracle cure, you know, the, the miracle process something, it’s going to come and rescue them. The only way you’re ever going to be rescued, is when you look in the mirror and realize that’s the person that’s going to rescue you. It’s you. And when you make up your mind, that you don’t want to be that story anymore. It’s gone. And that’s so simple for me to say. But in reality, we both know that there’s people on there holding on their stories for dear life, and they’re never going to give it up. And the best I can do for them is give meditation techniques. Give them things they can do to control their anger, control, the fear, control their outbursts, and all these things. So I have to handle it both ways. But those people that come to me that are open, if they come to me and they say, I want to be cured of PTSD. We can do it. But they don’t. They just want to be treated for PTSD. There’s a difference. Right? So I’m believing is huge. Let’s go back. Let’s go to PTSD, for example, because you do have some veterans that are in Australia, and they’re dealing with this as well. And you have survivors there of sexual assaults and abuse and things like that. And they’re suffering a form of PTSD. I know that for a fact because I’ve been counseling people I realized, PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, is not just for military veterans, for first responders is for people that do especially women that have gone through some terrible abuses, you know, physical getting beat up and all kinds of things. So it’s out there. A lot of people are suffering from it. And I’ve also found that families where somebody in the family is suffering from that. It’s like a cancer. If you have a husband or a wife that’s suffering from PTSD, and members of your family are also suffering. It’s like alcoholic, there’s other people that are gonna suffer from their drug use. It’s it’s commutable mental disease, it will affect everybody. So, I look at it. And so when I’m treating veterans, I try to have a workshop where I say, bring your spouse’s or your children. no extra charge. In fact, I don’t charge this. I’ve given him a workshop. Veterans aren’t charged. It’s there for them, right. So but without the family understanding what’s going on. And just having a working on a vet, you’re only working on part of the problem because other people already messed up and, and then they got anger towards the veteran for one thing, and they have to see how this thing came about. So, to me why we’re here and our purpose may look different for everybody. But in the end, it’s always about love. Love your family, love yourself. But if you if you don’t love yourself, you can’t love anything or anybody else. So that’s where I try to start. I tell people, the rescuer is in the mirror. Have you

Guy 40:37
Have you, know, it’s amazing. Have you ever reframe that? Have you always lived this way yourself? Or has there been a tipping point for you?

Bill 40:50
Well, you know, it’s interesting because I, I normally get stuck stuck because I, I have all these unique experiences and I got books out there and I got I got over 100 videos out there 100 and some videos right? I tell a mysterious supernatural, mystical, cosmic conscious type stories, true experiences from my life. I’ve had three near death experiences. I’ve had what you call a rainbow body experience that was like the, like supernova out of body experiences. It was just unbelievable. We can come back on some time and we could talk about the supernatural on another show. I’ve had so many things that people look at and say, oh, there’s the event that changed his life. I said, No, no, I got I got 2000 of these things. nickel what I call I was born at two or three years old. I was already meditating, didn’t know what I was doing. But I was making it up and it was working. I was getting visits by entities inner dimension interdimensional or whatever someplace I was as being given information. I had a near death experience and saw the next 50 years of my life in advance that when I was eight years old in the hospital, but I knew almost all the highlights of my life coming up including my experiences in Vietnam and everything else and and I had two more near death experiences after that one, one and two in India. No one in India and then one in California but odd story because I end up back in another body in India weird story. Anyway. So, yeah, so what, what changed me? I would say for me, I am who I am. When I came in, the only thing that’s changed in me is now I am more focused on getting my message out when I was younger, you still trying to find your way you’re getting married. You got kids got a job, and I’m trying to do things my own way, but I didn’t have the time to help people like I am now. To me, my purpose of life is being served the last 20 years. The rest of my life before that was my spiritual education. It was, you know, for trips to India was, you know, going to South America, Machu Picchu shows doing all these interesting, neat things. And in Vietnam itself, when you’re in Vietnam, and you see people die around you, and you know, I knew who was going to get killed. I knew who was going to get shot and which helicopters are going to crash. I made the mistake of telling the military and, of course, they did big investigation on me which, which is interesting because as investigated by the CIA, and then that was in 1967. And then in 20, late 20 2010s someplace, I got a call from and I looked at my phone and it said, Langley, Virginia. Well, if you watch enough movies and stuff, you know, if you watch all those spy movies, Langley Virginia’s headquarters is the CIA, right? And it is the guys is I got a, I got a $68 million contract or whatever number was big number. He says I’m looking at your files. So what files? He says I can’t tell you it’s secret. I says the files on me. He says, Yeah, well, can you tell me what it says? I can’t tell you. I said, you got a file on me. But you can’t tell you what it says. He says that’s right. So send me copies is all gonna be redacted. So if your name, I said, well, what’s the subject matter? He said I can’t tell you. But basically, I’m looking at your time in Vietnam when we were investigated. And you predicted all these different things and bullets, you know, shot, you know, it didn’t kill you in bullets went around and all these crazy things. And we want to know how to do that. electronically. We want to engineer that. Can you help us? What? So there’s this guy from CIA, some contractor And he figures he can engineer all this stuff that I was able to do in Vietnam. And I’ll predict this do this dodge bullets. I try to tell the guy so well you don’t want. I’ve been meditating into doing Kriya Yoga, which is a Kundalini raising energy, meditation, I’m doing all these things. I said for 60 plus years at that time, I said, it would take me 100 years to tell you how to do what I’m doing. And they saw they were upset that they didn’t want to talk to me anymore. But I thought it was odd that the government had a file on me and I kept talking to the guy, you know, because he had loose lips. And I started talking to him and he says, He says, well, you’re not the only file we got. I said, Oh, really? Who else do all we can’t talk about it. We got some guys here who were at Stanford University in a program. He’s got some other guys. Apparently, he was telling me off the cuff that the US Army in particular was finding people With unusual talents and Powers and abilities, and it would keep it a file on men been watching some of them and part of that offshoot was later on. Stanford’s Institute had a program of remote viewers. I don’t know if you don’t need anybody’s talked about that on the show before but remote viewing and they had military people and CIA was running it. And some of the names that I know of because I know people that were in it, which is interesting. So and he said, Well, yeah, I got the gist from my friend knows remote viewer because this guy CIA guy was telling me but I was asking him, he says you had to put together a, a top secret group. He says, I have no he tells me so I have no clue what it’s called. This isn’t but those of us that kind of know about his existence. We call it the Jedi. The Jedi is you know, the Jedi is you know, like from Star ports. So they get this Jedi army. They’re putting together you know, small groups like Special Forces of guys that could read minds. And, you know, teleport tape, you know, and, and do different things to see the future. So that’s the kind of crazy stuff you asked me what’s changed my life? I just gave up and breathing. But I’m not the same person that I was yesterday. Yeah, not the same person. I was two hours before we started this interview. I’m one of these guys that I take a look at it. And every time I look at myself what I did yesterday, two days ago, 10 years ago, five years ago, I say, Well, that wasn’t too That was too too wise. I know, I know something better. Now. I got a better answer for that. So I’m always revising what I thought I knew. And now I’m at a point where I think as long as you’re thinking with the mind, you’re never really going to fully get the grasp of the real until the truth. The only way you’re really going to know what’s the truth is, is by going out of your mind No thoughts, right? You can’t You can’t solve all these world questions in the universal questions that everybody asks with the mind.

Guy 48:10
For sure. I got one question for you before we change gears because I asked people questions on the show every week but when it when occurred to me then when you shared all that with you was you know you talk about these thousands of incredible spiritual experiences you know what, most people don’t even comprehend that long experience. Did they did they come from because it was the way you were being so you’re being a certain way and then they were coming from that as opposed to seeking and then it’s a dangling carrot, like to me the whole spirituality movement and as I explore it more we can get as hung up in one thing that as wanting a car or wanting a house, and then we missed the whole point of it all of what’s happening now in the moment.

Bill 48:59
You stole my Thunder because you got exactly where I am. In fact, just before we had this podcast, a guy wrote me since I’ve watched your videos, and I could do this that but I want to be able to tell porpoise, I want to be able to move objects. I want to do all these things like you do. Show me how I wrote the guy said, seek God first, seek the kingdom of God, everything else be given to you. If you’re seeking these things out, you’re not seeking wisdom. These are all talents and gifts. But they don’t necessarily equate to spiritual wisdom, or spirituality. You could have somebody and I, I’ve been with people that are very powerful. When I was a young man 18 in Hawaii, I was taken in by this Kahuna. You know, the religion of Kahuna ism. This guy was like the ultimate Kahuna. He was like the Top Gun in the whole Overwatch. And islands, and you wanted to make me as apprentice and everything but I see what he did. He could practice black magic, all kinds of magic, he could heal somebody, but you could also chant him to death. So not a good thing. So having powers and the ability to, to do things and control things and to know the future and do all these things. That’s not what we’re here for. And as you intelligently and wisely point out, that’s a great distraction. Because we’re really here on the journey to find God. And we find God through meditation. We don’t meditate. So we can levitate. We don’t meditate so we can, you know, astral travel, walk through walls reminds if somebody is doing that they’re missing the boat. You meditate for only one reason to spend time in lovingness with the divine creator It’s when you’re in love with somebody just want to spend time with them. And that’s all you’re doing. You’re not meditating to see, in my mind more wise, am I more at peace? I mean, even those things are off track, right? If you meditate just to find peace and harmony, well, that’s nice. That’s a side thing. But that’s not why you should be doing it. You should be going in your meditation to find time with God, to love God that need to be loved by God just to love God. I tell people that they lose people, I don’t have a huge million people following because everybody wants me to teach them how to get these cities, these powers, you know, to channel all this stuff and do all these things and I’m going, No. And then would you teach a meditation and then when they’re with a teacher with the master with the guru, what do they want? They want to ask the Master 1000 questions about the technique and not about loving God. Just be quiet around the master Quiet around the teacher. You’ll learn more in that silence. You will be asking questions. Go ahead. You people got questions out there

Guy 52:11
just one more question for me and though how would you define God? Because I only asked because it comes up so many different things for so many people, including myself because I’ve never had a religious background at all. I’ve only read the Bible, you know, and but here I am on this journey.

Bill 52:33
We’re all on a journey number one. First off, no one alive that has a body is going to be able to answer that question sufficiently. They can intellectualize it answer it can surmise it from all the reading they’ve done all the lectures they watched all the YouTube videos and come up with all this that the God the Creator it all and I’m telling you, again, the mind is not going to build know the cut. What is God Who is God? What is God Is there a god? Does God have a god? What was God’s first day? Why did he create us? I mean, you go crazy, right? So I make a lot easier for me. I literally believe that we were all I mean, not just we human beings, but that everything is made of God. Therefore, everything’s in God’s image, just like it says in Genesis and things made in God’s image. I believe that’s true. Because at the molecular molecular level, everything’s atoms. And you go down, there’s more so It’s all it’s all stuff that empty space. But in these atoms, you got electrons, protons moving around, doing all these crazy things. That energy that’s God’s love. And that energy going around, creates a humming sound in the universe because I’ve heard it and that sound A sound that Christians and Buddhists and everybody tries to make the same sound, own. Ah, man, I mean all those kinds of sounds that Om sound, maybe different slightly in each culture, but you can wonder why they all got that right. That’s the sound of the universe. That’s the atoms, movement, the cosmos. That’s God. So if you see God in absolutely everything, and everything is God is of God. And people go I got to go to church and pray, why isn’t God in your house? Is it God in your car is a god wherever you’re at, is a God out in the forest on the beach in nature. That’s like that old indian story from India where this judge and all these people, they come to come to the guru and they say, we want to learn your higher technique. We Well learn this Kriya Yoga, this Kundalini energy thing you got an A guru says I only take the most worthy. I’ll give you a test. I give you this banana, go take the banana, anywhere this week you take the banana and you eat that banana without anybody watching you. Those who have accomplished that, come back and tell me, I will teach. And they all leave right. And I’ll come back I I went into a closet and I ate that. Another, the guy was in a cave. Anther guy was a tunnel away. One guy come back. And he was a poor guy. He was not too educated and all these other guys were all college educated and come back and he still has the bannana. elated at the teachers feed. He says I failed. I could go nowhere. I’m not watched. And the guru says explain. He says, God’s watching me wherever I’m at. How can I go anywhere a goddess not that so we made a student and then a restful got drifted, they took them anyway. But anyway, so God is everywhere. So when you see somebody practicing a religion, which is a social practice, it’s it’s your origins generally you take a look at some of these religions, take a look at their parents. They were Catholics, they were Jewish, they were Muslim, they were Hindu they’re Jehovah Witness their whatever they are. The family indoctrinates you literally indoctrinate you into whatever they are, and that’s what you’re going to become right? They get very unhappy if you switch religions, right. Very few parents out there allow their children to explore and have free thought, you know, what do they think what do they feel, you know, look at, but all religions have really it’s it’s a pathway of dogma. It’s a pathway of religious ceremonies and initiations and set structures socially and organizations versus the individual. So you just said you had no religion? What’s your spiritual? You’re a seeker? You’re looking you’re asking questions. God knows when to do you stop asking questions or did asking questions is the good part. finding answers the hard part because a lot of times you find an answer, it satisfies you for a while. That’s why people do start off they’re one religion. And then when they get to be in their 20s, they might switch religions and then they change religions. Again, they’re at it just they could flip flop around. This the growing and the change, another got a different group. But a lot of people stay locked into religious group because their social life, their family, everybody’s that they know as part of that group. You leave the group, you’re ostracized. Right so nobody leaves. What’s that got to do with finding God? If you want to do catechism and you want to do the rosary and burn candles, incense great that works. Somebody else wants to do worship a rocket shoveling. They see God that, okay, great. Somebody else wants to bother. He’s the one. It doesn’t matter. God has no religion. Jesus was not a Christian. What ?! Jesus, not a Christian? He just was he didn’t form a church to become a Christian Follow me. He didn’t have that Buddha wasn’t a Buddhist. You know, I mean, so it’s like, what? God has no religious litmus test. In other words, you go to heaven, quote, unquote, heaven. You go to the other side, love you believe in heaven, hell, but in those beliefs, they think God Got a got a guy check in your passport up there? Oh, you’re a Catholic? No, you stand over there. You got to go to purgatory for a while. You’re a Mormon. Yeah, okay, go over here. I mean, you don’t have to be any religion. You don’t have to be Christian. You’re not you don’t have to be anything. This is about spirituality because when you die, you’re no longer that religious sect. Your spiritual, your purely spiritual that time. Now I happen to believe reincarnation. So there’s a whole discussion there about learning coming back, you know, evolving. But having religion is basically dependent where you’re born and born to does it help society to have religion? There’s some people out there who believe that almost 90% of the wars are caused by religion. So has it been a good thing? One side pthe priest is telling you to go kill this person inside guys telling you go kill this guy for God and you know, guys, they can take any sides in any of these wars spot your behavior those horses that’s being looked at. Okay? Anyway so I’m not a religious person I get along much greater with people that are non religious and they they want to believe in something they’re looking for something I tell people look in the mirror, the teacher, the teacher, the Guru is in you the same on in all of us. So you got to be able to look at that you got to pass those purity tests what I call the purity test. Are you compassionate? Are you loving? Are you appreciated? Are you generous? Are you helpful? Are you serving? I mean, are you living the life of a spiritual being? Are you just practicing religious belief.

Guy 1:01:03
Yeah, plenty of ponder on there. Yeah, absolutely no beautiful. Thank you for answering that. Just a minute. Yeah, what are the clarify? Um, I’m aware of the time so I’m gonna ask you a few questions I ask everyone on the show just to get you know a bit more on one is what does your morning routine look like?

Bill 1:01:21
Okay, generally this. I get up I wake up about three something. I found that the hours of about 343 3340 a little bit before four in the morning, till after for our two golden hours for prayer for meditation. contemplation if you’re a meditator, that’s time you want to get up. The world is pretty quiet that our vibrations the energy is subdued and it’s easier to get in touch with those elements so meditate. I throw a number out people go out there measured you know, I do more than that I do less than that I need to do is once he does to say I’m meditating given time, sometimes it can be two hours, three hours, sometimes it could be 40 minutes. I mean it depends, right? So when I finished the meditation, I sit in great silence. I find that the meditation itself whether you’re doing a mantra, you’re visualizing going up and down your spine, the light, the sound, you know, coolness, heat, whatever technique you’re using, whatever it is. You focus on have to get your mind clear. Most people finish the meditation technique. And then they get up that’s it. I don’t meditation. No, no, the real impact of what you just did comes afterwards, huh? just spent all this time doing this. technique. Now sit quietly in the silence. So long as you can just let it fold in there. Just feel the love of God. Give God your love. And then when you’ve done enough of that beautiful stuff, and honor prayer, now my prayers could take over an hour sometimes because I beat somebody, I know what they need the prayer. Some people, I don’t remember their name, but I remembered your face. But I know if I say a prayer to God, that hitchhiker I picked up in 2000 or 1990. Whatever was right. Bless him, right. I feel he needs it. God knows who it is that until God God knows he is back in my mind. He’s pulling out he knows, he knows who I met. And I did. I met a hitchhiker in 1990 that had been praying for and that’s, what, 30 years 30 years. So I don’t pray for things for people. I pray for people to have wisdom courage to face what they got to go through. I pray for them to have understanding. That’s the kind of things I pray for. So people say, Oh, please pray for my aunt. She’s, she’s 97 years old, she’s dying. Can you pray for her? We don’t want to lose her. God. No, but they want to hear me say no. I said, Okay, I’ll pray. But I’m not praying for her to to be miraculously healed in 97. But her time is expiring. So time to go. I’m praying to God that she has a smooth, loving, comfortable transition into the world. And I want somebody to be there to help her. I want her to feel good about letting go and releasing. So what to tell somebody who’s trying to save somebody’s life, they don’t want to hear that. You know, it’s like, hey, look, it’s your time to go. You know, as I said earlier, it’s when it’s your time to go It doesn’t matter. You’re not going to stop it. Not even I it’s your time to go with your time to go even though I think Through near death experiences and I’ve been blown up shot up in an eight helicopter crashes I’ve, I’ve I’ve had motorcycle crashes, car crashes, I mean you name it I’ve been everything happened to me could possibly happen wasn’t my time and God threw me back. I was reward or punishment.

Guy 1:05:21
I’m sure time will tell. If you could have dinner with anyone from anywhere in the world or any timeframe, a couple of people if you could sit down and have a conversation and dinner with them, who do you think it would be?

Bill 1:05:35
You know, there’s a lot of famous people out there and I’d like to say that I’ve met actually sat down and I’ve had I’ve had lunch with President Jimmy Carter and his wife, you know, I’ve met all kinds of other neat people and but this goes sound wild crazy. I enjoy having a meal with my wife. We’ve been married for 50 some years. We met where 14 years old, and now we’re both in our mid 70s. And I still enjoy every moment with her. She is still my girlfriend. I never expected to have a 74 year old girlfriend. But anyway, so be it. She’s still my girlfriend, we’re still in love. And I find that she has great wisdom. And of all the people that know me, she knows me the best. And she doesn’t flatter me. She doesn’t build up my ego. And she’s willing to say, you know, you shouldn’t have said that. And you know, you don’t know it all. And you know, I’ve watched render where I know what life is really like for you. So don’t don’t kill you. She keeps me humble. And that’s a blessing. And I am blessed to have her in my life. So that probably doesn’t answer your question, but that’s the most truthful response I give. I mean, I could go through history and I liked it. It’s beautiful. I mean, I like to say the nation’s lay Oh, I’d like to read St. Francis of Assisi. I mean, those are interesting people. But I don’t have to go back in time. For me, I had breakfast this morning with my wife. And it was delightful. And I look forward to as many as those I can have, because we’re both in our 70s. So I don’t know how many of those I got. So everyone I look forward to, and I enjoy it. And I never know if that’s my last. And if it is, I’m gonna know the last meal I had with it or was was was divine grace, it was a gift. Anyway, so.

Guy 1:07:39
Yeah, no, great. And just last thing with everything we’ve covered today, what would you like to say a few words to leave our listeners to ponder on

Bill 1:07:52
with what’s happening in the world now. It’s so easy to get down. We got crazy leaders worldwide. I’m sorry. America’s probably got the craziest. But no, we got crazy leaders all over the place. I mean, I can’t think of anybody that has leadership out there that’s spiritually attuned to what’s happening right now. So, if you’re sitting there, you wake up in the morning and watching cable news and you watch all the stuff that’s going on in the world. It’s gonna be a real downer. I tell people, take a fast from the news, step back. forgive your politicians. They’re doing what they think is best. They don’t know any better. They’re not evil. I mean, they’re not evil. They may be misinformed, and maybe later to change it. But But no, nobody’s really that well, but there’s some people out there and some world’s probably evil, but you could lose a lot of sleep. And you could get frustrated and get anxiety ridden. By worried about all this stuff in a world you have absolutely no control over. You got no control over these fires. You got no control over all these world wars that are going on. There’s wars everywhere right now in Africa. There’s there’s uprising and there’s always a war going on someplace. There’s hatred, there’s all that stuff. And I’m saying, don’t focus on any of that. And don’t focus on any group to hate. Try to blame somebody for it. So, focus on loving those people around you. And that’s more important than looking for people to love you. Because having people love you is influenced by if you can, if you can help them, you know, to give money gifts. I mean, think about people that we love. Oh, the celebrity you want to be hanging around him you loved this guy until he’s been no longer celebrities in jail. You don’t want to hang around with them anymore. But so we’re always looking to have people love us. Wrong. Our job in life is to love others. Whether they love us back or not. They may hate us, but love them anyway. Because the end I said it before and I’ll reiterate it in the end. It matters who you loved. that defines who you are.

Guy 1:10:12
Beautiful. It’s a great place to, to end this amazing podcast today though. Where can we send everyone if they want to find out more about your work?

Bill 1:10:22
Well I got it. I actually have a website this can be really hard mcdonald.com rev.com. That’ll get you the website if they want to look on my YouTube video. I have a YouTube video there bill McDonald. I think it is or rev bill McDonald, but you’ll find it it’s got my shiny little face on there and I got 100 and some videos where I actually talk about some of these supernatural experiences and I share a lot more depth. I like it. I like to do like what we did today Guy because this tell stories that’s great. I inspire somebody and they’re happy for a while. The next day, there’s still them. But if I could tell directional things like I’m trying to, I’m trying to give a GPS to people. I’m trying to say look, meditation and contemplation, silence, helping, serving, loving, these will bring you joy. These will bring you peace. And ultimately, no matter how much money you have, whether you’re Bill Gates, or anyone else, in the end, money is not going to buy you happiness. Happiness is a self self purchased item. And it comes to being at peace with the world. And first being at peace with yourself. So love and serve.

Guy 1:11:54
Thank you so much for coming on the show today. appreciate everything you do, and I really I really felt we captured the essence of a great conversation today. So I just want to thank you and I have no doubt everyone listening today will be inspired. Thank you Bill.

Bill 1:12:09
God bless. And thank you.

Guy 1:12:12
awesome guys. Hope you enjoyed that conversation myself and Bill today, be sure to go and check out his work. And of course, if you want to find out what I’m up to in the very near future, from all our things from the retreats, group coaching, all the way to when we next run our four week program, just come back to Guylawrence.com.au All the links are there. And if you’re not even sure where to start, jump into my free meditation which is backed up as well which is a great way to dip your toe into this work. And I think it comes with my five step morning routine too, which is pretty powerful. Anyway, have an amazing week. Much love from me and I will see you soon.